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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 17:36:27 GMT
I’ve given you alternatives Eventually after a few insults😂😂😜 I don’t mean them personally, apologies if it came off that way
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 17:37:22 GMT
You are some child. A simple question and yet you and some other poster are reading all sorts into it. Believe it or not, I am interested in who the alternatives are and not because I am afraid of change but because I thought it would be interesting to know your views on who the options are. Instead I am told that football is not the game for me and that I am fearful😂😂😂😂 If Kerry had no manager at the moment, could you make an argument for the appointment of Peter Keane? The argument would be the 2019 final and his minor track record. As I said already he was not my choice in 2018. I like John Sugrue of the up and coming managers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 17:40:48 GMT
And now Donegal have lost to a team relegated from division 2
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Post by john4 on Nov 22, 2020 17:42:38 GMT
Minor football (U17) is no relation whatsoever to Senior inter-county football, this appointment which I myself was sucked into believing was a good appointment was a mistake in my opinion. He's out of his depth. That Cork match was the lowest point in in my lifetime watching Kerry football.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 17:47:45 GMT
Given Cliffords disproportionate influence, it is hard to read anything into some of those minor victories
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Post by ciarraigreenandgold on Nov 22, 2020 18:05:27 GMT
Still alot of reflecting after the cork match a few weeks ago. I think it's plain to see that, like alot of posters and passionate Kerry fans, I am still very sour over our performance, the result and our setup/tactics. A few points to note:
- management - I know there have been several post already about Donie Buckley and I won't add too much here. He clearly improved things last year after the Munster final up until the drawn all Ireland final (when he was primarily involved in prep). After that he was considered surplus to requirements. He is not the oracle (people will bang on about his track record but the same could be said about Peter Keane) but clearly he has an innovative approach which Kerry are crying out for. Keane & Griffin clearly have egos to keep in check and thought they could do it all themselves. Clearly we have regressed this year. - Tactics/Player management - tactics against cork were dumbfounding. Why so defensive against a team who are playing div 3 football and showed how average they are in the match Vs Tipp today. Begley playing wing forward, why Killian Spillane didn't start in FF line, why weren't some more physical backs playing in a wet and greasy night Vs cork (gavin Crowley, Sherwood, enright) - horses for courses. - Game management - this is the most glaringly obvious flaw that has never been addressed by the management team. Moran doing absolutely headless stuff in ET against cork. Other examples:
Last years drawn all Ireland final (couldn't keep possession against 14players), league game against Dublin this year (again we had opportunities to see the game out), league game against Galway this yr (we got out of jail, comer hit a last minute shot wide), mayo in the league this year (Keith Higgins missed a shot from 14yrds out to draw the match - we were up by 8pts at one stage), Donegal in the super eights last year (Tomas o se gets sent off) and we give Murphy an opportunity to equalise.
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result - insanity. I know this is player driven but management also need to zero in on this and make the change.
I am not sure if Peter Keane et al can improve things next year but they will be scrutinized in everything they do from here on out. Maybe I am being overly critical above, just my opinion.
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Post by taggert on Nov 22, 2020 18:08:36 GMT
PK wont be budging in 2021 and thats a fact.
Needs to be much more flexible in his system for sure, about as much as the players need to take more responsibility and accountability on the pitch, from literally kicking games away to securing defeat from the jaws of victory in the clutch moments.
We wont be lining up like your Meaths and your Laois's anytime soon - naivety in the extreme. Cavan and Tipp threw e'one behind the ball today for long spells and thats the way the game has gone. Teams attack in droves and teams defend in droves.
No amount of dummy spitting around here is changing that.....
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Post by Jo90 on Nov 22, 2020 18:25:50 GMT
A game that lifted the spirits of Tipperary people everywhere, and quite a few Kerrymen as well😀
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2020 18:25:52 GMT
who was your first choice in 2018 Pat O Shea Pat o Shea cannot take the job due to his coaching rule with Munster GAA. He was given a once off dispensation in 2006. Also remember he failed to win the all Ireland in 2008 with a much better team than we have now.
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Post by pillar on Nov 22, 2020 18:34:43 GMT
Who would you replace him with? A half eaten cheese sandwich at this stage. Who are the Tipp & Cork managers? They are obvious upgrades. If, after this shambles, you think he’s the best man for the job then maybe football isn’t the game for you. I can’t fathom why we are so willing to embrace utter failure. I take it you don't buy your cheese sandwiches in PKs SuperValu Killorglin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 18:39:36 GMT
A game that lifted the spirits of Tipperary people everywhere, and quite a few Kerrymen as well😀 No, I think it has driven Kerry people even more demented😉
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 18:46:04 GMT
This kick by Tipps captain Conor Sweeney kept them in the game in the semi final.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 18:46:13 GMT
A half eaten cheese sandwich at this stage. Who are the Tipp & Cork managers? They are obvious upgrades. If, after this shambles, you think he’s the best man for the job then maybe football isn’t the game for you. I can’t fathom why we are so willing to embrace utter failure. I take it you don't buy your cheese sandwiches in PKs SuperValu Killorglin. I’d imagine they’d be a let down
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 18:57:13 GMT
SUN, 22 NOV, 2020 - 18:10 TONY LEEN
The thrill and the noise is in the history, both honouring and creating it. The quiet gratification, though, in the performance.
Maybe the loose talk was right. That the stars were aligning for Tipperary and their footballers this weekend, but the historical imperative carried limited ballast into Sunday at Páirc Uí Chaoimh.
That Tipp claimed a stunning first Munster football title in 85 years was more to do with smart football in possession, organised defence without it and a strong sense of their own worth. Certainly, Cork’s own heroics in snatching a final berth against Kerry had no-one in the Tipp camp quaking. Indeed, it may even have deepened Tipp conviction that they’d peaked already.
“We always believed we could beat Cork and I didn't have to say that, the players knew,” joyous manager David Power pointed out afterwards.
The new Munster champions – the first outside Cork and Kerry since Clare forgot to milk the cows in 1992 – donned the tribute white and green garb of their Bloody Sunday compatriots and a fast three-point start ensured whatever mojo was on offer from the weekend’s centenary commemoration would be theirs.
Or more importantly, wouldn’t be Cork’s.
They trailed for a single minute in the opening quarter and by half time were 0-11 to 0-7 to the good. Thereafter Tipp kept Cork at arm’s length with good structure, willing toilers and occasional scoring. It’s important to reiterate that none of this was by way of smash or grab. Cork sleepwalked into bother once they crossed midfield, whereas Tipp broke via the channels and too frequently, they made for scoring positions unmolested.
To say Cork fell flat on their face after the Kerry heroics is harsh but only from an internal perspective. “We never got to the pitch of the game,” manager Ronan McCarthy repeated afterwards, and in that he said a mouthful.
Cork started with a quintet of young, largely inexperienced defenders and if that’s an easy target in hindsight, it is no less relevant for that fact. They were far, way too far, off their respective Tipperary attacker in the first period, and whoever was tracking man of the match Steven O’Brien switched off with alarming regularity as he galloped in broad daylight up the right-hand side of the field.
Cork’s inquest will take its own course – but the provincial final loss has all sorts of damaging ramifications. If it doesn’t undo the progress made over the past 12 months, it opens again the charge of not knowing whether they are Jekyll or Hyde.
Unless the administrative arm moves fast, it could also be Ronan McCarthy’s managerial swansong which would be a significant retrograde step. And as McCarthy himself pointed out Sunday, it robs Cork of an All-Ireland semi-final at Croke Park against a top-four team in Mayo, precisely the type of game McCarthy, Cian O’Neill et al have been building this project towards. In all, an abysmal afternoon for Cork.
In the media concourse afterwards, Tipp manager David Power appeared to namecheck the greater population of both Ridings, but his anxiety over omitting any of Sunday’s heroes was understandable.
Keeper Evan Comerford hadn’t a single shot to save with his defending colleagues colluding time and again to deny Cork a clear sight of goal.
Midfielders Steven O’Brien and Liam Casey coupled their defensive duties with tireless availability for the outlet out from the back. Casey finished with two points, O’Brien was my man of the match, even though the official tv version may go to Conor Sweeney.
The captain claimed seven points, the clever Micheal Quinlivan scored five and put his name on assists for two more with marvellous vision and passes. Power wouldn’t hear talk of Mayo on Sunday, but one needn’t be a sleuth to figure who the Connacht champions will frame their defensive shape around for the semi-final in a fortnight.
Cork manager McCarthy still felt his side could dig an undeserved result out of the situation when Sean White made it a two-point game (0-14 to 0-12) on 64 minutes, but two atypical goalkeeping interventions pointed Tipp for home – first Comerford pointed from a long-range free, then Cork keeper Micheal A Martin had an attempted short kick-out intercepted by Quinlivan for a point.
Cork threw Mark Keane into the game and his midfield work was eye-catching but Tipp weren’t getting done up like Kerry and double-teamed the young Mitchelstown man any time he drifted inside the full-back line in search of a saving goal.
Part of that defensive insurance was Colin O’Riordan, another of the AFL loanees, who played every minute and provided important presence in the third quarter when Tipp appeared to be fading.
Had they converted a glorious goal chance just after the break, Tipp might even have strolled home and Power was moved to suggest afterwards that they should have won their tenth Munster title by more. O’Brien fisted his point-blank effort against the crossbar at a stage when Tipp led 0-12 to 0-7.
The presumption that Cork would power back into the game after some half-time reflection wasn’t helped with the loss of Luke Connolly to injury, and the fact they were not being allowed into the scoring sweet spot.
Sam Ryan was brought on four minutes after the break to put some order on Conor Sweeney, while Clonakilty’s Sean White was injected into the attack to provide some oomph. Cathail O’Mahony was sent in with the same instructions, Michael Hurley too. Only more frustration for the hosts.
Tipp’s attacking legs were weakening – they failed to score for 17 minutes in the third quarter – but Cork had neither the thrust nor the nous to capitalise. Brian Hurley was well held, the bulk of Mark Collins’ work was out the field, and Ruairi Deane’s penetrating runs were repeatedly bottled up by Tipp’s web.
Maybe Cork are better doing the hunting, but there were takeaways here too for Kerry and their management who must have watched ruefully as Tipperary’s direct running and approach (cries of ‘up the middle’ were heard frequently in the first half) caused repeated problems for Cork.
The loss of Sean Powter in that regard can’t be overlooked but Tipp’s economic use of reducing possession in the last quarter was truly admirable given the scale of what was on offer.
“This is great for the team but it’s great for Tipp football, in general, going forward. I think young people watching today saw we played with a style that will attract them. Yes, hurling will be always number one in Tipp but now people will want to play football for Tipperary.”
Their last Munster success was in 1935 and as the players bounced and hugged, as their cheers echoed around Páirc Uí Chaoimh afterwards, it can’t have been lost on them that they’d celebrated a moment in history by creating a new one.
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Post by taggert on Nov 22, 2020 19:20:10 GMT
SUN, 22 NOV, 2020 - 18:10 TONY LEEN The thrill and the noise is in the history, both honouring and creating it. The quiet gratification, though, in the performance. Maybe the loose talk was right. That the stars were aligning for Tipperary and their footballers this weekend, but the historical imperative carried limited ballast into Sunday at Páirc Uí Chaoimh. That Tipp claimed a stunning first Munster football title in 85 years was more to do with smart football in possession, organised defence without it and a strong sense of their own worth. Certainly, Cork’s own heroics in snatching a final berth against Kerry had no-one in the Tipp camp quaking. Indeed, it may even have deepened Tipp conviction that they’d peaked already. “We always believed we could beat Cork and I didn't have to say that, the players knew,” joyous manager David Power pointed out afterwards. The new Munster champions – the first outside Cork and Kerry since Clare forgot to milk the cows in 1992 – donned the tribute white and green garb of their Bloody Sunday compatriots and a fast three-point start ensured whatever mojo was on offer from the weekend’s centenary commemoration would be theirs. Or more importantly, wouldn’t be Cork’s. They trailed for a single minute in the opening quarter and by half time were 0-11 to 0-7 to the good. Thereafter Tipp kept Cork at arm’s length with good structure, willing toilers and occasional scoring. It’s important to reiterate that none of this was by way of smash or grab. Cork sleepwalked into bother once they crossed midfield, whereas Tipp broke via the channels and too frequently, they made for scoring positions unmolested. To say Cork fell flat on their face after the Kerry heroics is harsh but only from an internal perspective. “We never got to the pitch of the game,” manager Ronan McCarthy repeated afterwards, and in that he said a mouthful. Cork started with a quintet of young, largely inexperienced defenders and if that’s an easy target in hindsight, it is no less relevant for that fact. They were far, way too far, off their respective Tipperary attacker in the first period, and whoever was tracking man of the match Steven O’Brien switched off with alarming regularity as he galloped in broad daylight up the right-hand side of the field. Cork’s inquest will take its own course – but the provincial final loss has all sorts of damaging ramifications. If it doesn’t undo the progress made over the past 12 months, it opens again the charge of not knowing whether they are Jekyll or Hyde. Unless the administrative arm moves fast, it could also be Ronan McCarthy’s managerial swansong which would be a significant retrograde step. And as McCarthy himself pointed out Sunday, it robs Cork of an All-Ireland semi-final at Croke Park against a top-four team in Mayo, precisely the type of game McCarthy, Cian O’Neill et al have been building this project towards. In all, an abysmal afternoon for Cork. In the media concourse afterwards, Tipp manager David Power appeared to namecheck the greater population of both Ridings, but his anxiety over omitting any of Sunday’s heroes was understandable. Keeper Evan Comerford hadn’t a single shot to save with his defending colleagues colluding time and again to deny Cork a clear sight of goal. Midfielders Steven O’Brien and Liam Casey coupled their defensive duties with tireless availability for the outlet out from the back. Casey finished with two points, O’Brien was my man of the match, even though the official tv version may go to Conor Sweeney. The captain claimed seven points, the clever Micheal Quinlivan scored five and put his name on assists for two more with marvellous vision and passes. Power wouldn’t hear talk of Mayo on Sunday, but one needn’t be a sleuth to figure who the Connacht champions will frame their defensive shape around for the semi-final in a fortnight. Cork manager McCarthy still felt his side could dig an undeserved result out of the situation when Sean White made it a two-point game (0-14 to 0-12) on 64 minutes, but two atypical goalkeeping interventions pointed Tipp for home – first Comerford pointed from a long-range free, then Cork keeper Micheal A Martin had an attempted short kick-out intercepted by Quinlivan for a point. Cork threw Mark Keane into the game and his midfield work was eye-catching but Tipp weren’t getting done up like Kerry and double-teamed the young Mitchelstown man any time he drifted inside the full-back line in search of a saving goal. Part of that defensive insurance was Colin O’Riordan, another of the AFL loanees, who played every minute and provided important presence in the third quarter when Tipp appeared to be fading. Had they converted a glorious goal chance just after the break, Tipp might even have strolled home and Power was moved to suggest afterwards that they should have won their tenth Munster title by more. O’Brien fisted his point-blank effort against the crossbar at a stage when Tipp led 0-12 to 0-7. The presumption that Cork would power back into the game after some half-time reflection wasn’t helped with the loss of Luke Connolly to injury, and the fact they were not being allowed into the scoring sweet spot. Sam Ryan was brought on four minutes after the break to put some order on Conor Sweeney, while Clonakilty’s Sean White was injected into the attack to provide some oomph. Cathail O’Mahony was sent in with the same instructions, Michael Hurley too. Only more frustration for the hosts. Tipp’s attacking legs were weakening – they failed to score for 17 minutes in the third quarter – but Cork had neither the thrust nor the nous to capitalise. Brian Hurley was well held, the bulk of Mark Collins’ work was out the field, and Ruairi Deane’s penetrating runs were repeatedly bottled up by Tipp’s web. Maybe Cork are better doing the hunting, but there were takeaways here too for Kerry and their management who must have watched ruefully as Tipperary’s direct running and approach (cries of ‘up the middle’ were heard frequently in the first half) caused repeated problems for Cork. The loss of Sean Powter in that regard can’t be overlooked but Tipp’s economic use of reducing possession in the last quarter was truly admirable given the scale of what was on offer. “This is great for the team but it’s great for Tipp football, in general, going forward. I think young people watching today saw we played with a style that will attract them. Yes, hurling will be always number one in Tipp but now people will want to play football for Tipperary.” Their last Munster success was in 1935 and as the players bounced and hugged, as their cheers echoed around Páirc Uí Chaoimh afterwards, it can’t have been lost on them that they’d celebrated a moment in history by creating a new one. MORE IN THIS SECTION Interesting re running up the middle. Sadly we pinned our hopes on Murphy and White down the wings which was suitably telegraphed before the game and totally nullified by Corks midfielders blocking left and right channels, by fair and foul means. Sadly we got nothing from our central men - Crowley, David, Diarmuid or Seanie in terms of running through the middle. We did when Sherwood came on but the dye was cast at that stage. Tipp learned a lot from how Cork set up against Kerry and clearly weren't going to waste time knocking on doors that weren't for opening.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 19:37:27 GMT
If we were expecting Crowley to give us an attacking threat then it’s another in the wtf were we thinking column
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Post by taggert on Nov 22, 2020 19:41:39 GMT
If we were expecting Crowley to give us an attacking threat then it’s another in the wtf were we thinking column Agreed.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 22, 2020 19:44:51 GMT
For all the criticism levelled at the Kerry management this year the only one I would buy into is their lack of a plan B - the fact we were neck and neck with Cork with a nose in front probably contributed to management saying we will sneak over the line and all will be alright the next day. This lack of a plan B is not a recent failure of Kerry management teams rather it is the common theme that has afflicted Kerry for the past twenty years. There appears to be a marked reluctance to change or adapt a game plan mid game by Kerry which is very strange. We have seen game plans changed from one match to the next but rarely during a game. Surely we have the calibre of player that can adapt a game plan during the game.
A league final in 2019, taking Dublin (who even most ardent Kerryites among of us are beginning to admit are probably the best we have seen) to a replay in 2019 and winning a disjointed league in 2020 is success in most peoples eyes. Our problem is our ambition and we should never apologise for that - All Ireland success is all that matters and we have been starved of that in recent years and we are hurting because of it.
I think PK and our young squad are learning and we will prevail and it will be sweet when that happens - perhaps some of the adjustments they are making are illogical to us sages on the ditches but whereas I agree they got things horribly wrong this year against Cork where they went too defensive they will take the lessons on board.
I do not see an alternative management team waiting in the wings who would be obviously better and the names mentioned all have failings in their careers to date (they are human afterall!!). Think of the setbacks the great Micko endured - 76, 77, last minute goals in 82 and 83 ....... I live in hope
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 22, 2020 20:48:08 GMT
For all the criticism levelled at the Kerry management this year the only one I would buy into is their lack of a plan B - the fact we were neck and neck with Cork with a nose in front probably contributed to management saying we will sneak over the line and all will be alright the next day. This lack of a plan B is not a recent failure of Kerry management teams rather it is the common theme that has afflicted Kerry for the past twenty years. There appears to be a marked reluctance to change or adapt a game plan mid game by Kerry which is very strange. We have seen game plans changed from one match to the next but rarely during a game. Surely we have the calibre of player that can adapt a game plan during the game. A league final in 2019, taking Dublin (who even most ardent Kerryites among of us are beginning to admit are probably the best we have seen) to a replay in 2019 and winning a disjointed league in 2020 is success in most peoples eyes. Our problem is our ambition and we should never apologise for that - All Ireland success is all that matters and we have been starved of that in recent years and we are hurting because of it. I think PK and our young squad are learning and we will prevail and it will be sweet when that happens - perhaps some of the adjustments they are making are illogical to us sages on the ditches but whereas I agree they got things horribly wrong this year against Cork where they went too defensive they will take the lessons on board. I do not see an alternative management team waiting in the wings who would be obviously better and the names mentioned all have failings in their careers to date (they are human afterall!!). Think of the setbacks the great Micko endured - 76, 77, last minute goals in 82 and 83 ....... I live in hope Like you cannot teach genius, lack of it cannot be unlearned - it will happen again, the flaw is there and the opposition will exploit it. Pray I am wrong.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 23:19:23 GMT
If we were expecting Crowley to give us an attacking threat then it’s another in the wtf were we thinking column speaking of the "wtf were we thinking column" who do you blame for Morans mindless hail marys at the end. Is it down to poor coaching or an inability of an experienced player to think his way through a game. As a KOR man i expect you are in a good positjon to judge.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Nov 22, 2020 23:20:17 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 23:26:33 GMT
SUN, 22 NOV, 2020 - 20:16 DECLAN BROWNE What we wouldn’t have done to be in Cork. I was in bits, to be honest, watching it at home, with the gang, the family. A Munster medal was always the dream. The longer we went without one, the more you felt it might never happen.
If we are being honest — and no disrespect is intended to Cork — once Kerry were out of the equation, we always felt there was a chance this weekend could be a landmark one. Those lads have played Cork all the way up. They’ve won and lost, never by much. I never saw us as huge underdogs and that’s how we played.
Because this is a good Tipp team, that’s the reality. Most of those players have experience of All-Ireland minor or U21 finals, of getting to Croke Park in 2016. If we could bring our game, a win here was on the table.
And the start was crucial. Had Cork enjoyed that start, things might have unravelled very differently. But Tipp’s strong start put real pressure on Cork and they didn’t seem to know how to react.
Their forwards didn’t want to shoot, which deepened my confidence. Just cut down the free count and Tipp had a right chance. Luke Connolly going off was a massive blow to Cork, because you couldn’t foul anywhere, the way he was kicking.
Michael Quinlivan has been quiet the last couple matches, but when he started pinging them over, you knew this could be Tipp’s day, if they kept their heads.
History could have weighed heavily. The Bloody Sunday commemorations made it an emotional weekend, but it’s their job to go out and play. And as Conor Sweeney said afterwards, that was his job and David Power’s to get them down to earth and ready for a Munster final.
He’s a class act, a great captain and leader. At the start of his career, he got criticism for not being consistent. But over the last four or five years, he has been immense and he makes it look so easy.
He’s calm, composed. The days of busting down doors are gone. He leads it calmly — the marvellous Brian Fox the same. And when you’re playing well on the field and doing what you expect others to do, everyone follows.
Of course, we were nervous down the straight. I was anyway. You’re always nervous with Tipp football. When Cork brought it back to three points there was dread. You’ll never get over that — it goes with the territory with the footballers.
But how important was Colin O’Riordan down that stretch? He was the talking point all week. But when he was available you had to start him. And I think he was the difference in the end. He caught a couple of great balls and kept going at Cork.
The great thing is this wasn’t a fluke. It wasn’t a last-minute goal, a smash and grab. We don’t play in Munster finals too often. I’ve been following Tipp football since I was seven or eight. I was at the Munster final in ‘93 — well beaten, no chance. In ‘94 we could have won it. Delighted to play myself in ‘98 against Kerry. In 2002, we probably should have won it. Then we had to wait until 2016.
I’m a believer in fate at times. It’s a dream fulfilled for us all. But the dream is going further now, and they are entitled to dream bigger.
We’re all just so emotional, so proud of what they have done. Jealous too, in a way. We’d all love to have Munster medal in our pockets.
But knowing my gang and previous players, back to the ’50s, ’60s, ’70s, we’re just all delighted to have played some part in this. All the managers and coaches and selectors and water carriers and kit men. All those on the Friends of Tipperary bus.
There’s a handful of supporters who have been there since day dot. We follow the team and we whinge and we give out and moan when we didn’t play well, but it’s a real close-knit community.
There are football folk in Tipp who have barely missed a championship game in their lives. This was for them all. And it’s just a pity they couldn’t be there, going wild in Cork.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 22, 2020 23:27:55 GMT
The Tipp County Board should commission a special medal for Derek O Mahony for his role in their Munster Championship win.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was in Ballypooreen tonight.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 23:41:28 GMT
The Tipp County Board should commission a special medal for Derek O Mahony for his role in their Munster Championship win. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in Ballypooreen tonight. Donal og made the point on TSG that a Limerick tef should not have reffed the Galway v Tipp game. Des was too thick to get the point so Donal og had to spell out the ratjonale to him.
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Post by john4 on Nov 22, 2020 23:45:02 GMT
The Tipp County Board should commission a special medal for Derek O Mahony for his role in their Munster Championship win. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in Ballypooreen tonight. Donal og made the point on TSG that a Limerick tef should not have reffed the Galway v Tipp game. Des was too thick to get the point so Donal og had to spell out the ratjonale to him. Des wasn't / isn't thick atall, he's as cute as a fox, Donal Og was after digging a hole, Des was only looking to see would he fall into it
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 23, 2020 9:34:06 GMT
I think people are losing the run of themselves. Calling for PK and the rest of the backroom team to step down. It was one defeat in a crazy year. With no back door Kerry didn't have the chance to get the show on the road and regroup through the qualifiers.
Paidi in 99 (Cork) & 01 (Meath) Jack in 06 (Cork) & 09 (Cork) & 10 (Down) are some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I know Cork were a different team back then but, defeats happen. Give the management team a chance to learn from it and move on. The best think to happen Dublin in the last 20 years were their semi-final defeats in 09 & 2014.
I think people are spinning the Donie Buckley story to suit themselves. Kerry's good performances are attributed to Buckley and the bad are where he was 'sidelined'. We played good after the cork game until the replay (so donie was only involved those times). I have heard from a few people that would be 'in the know' as it were that Donie was marginalised last year from a long way out. Also it cannot be conicidentail that he has fallen foul of two Kerry managers. Maybe he was overstepping his brief?? We don't know.
Give PK next year. Now is not the time for knee jerk decisions. I am delighted for Tipp & Cavan. Something quite fitting that the semi-final lineup is the same as 1920. Sometimes fate just plays a hand!
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Post by kerry97 on Nov 23, 2020 13:08:57 GMT
Firstly massive commiserations to Cork , as the old Japanaese Proverb says " Beginning is easy , continuing is hard !" Secondly it was brilliant to see Tipperary win yesterday . They have a lot of guys on the go for a long time so they were deserving of their reward. The likes of Conor Sweeney , Brian Fox, Phillip Austin and Alan Campbell particularly spring to mind . I think Tipperary will put it up to Mayo , they led them for 60 minutes in the qualifiers a couple of years ago and also didn't stand back from them in 2016. The championship has really began to mirror the club championship with a real "Any Given Sunday" vibe to it were clubs with traditionally weaker or less organised inter county set ups prevail . I'm thinking of the likes of Kilmurry -Ibrickane , Clonmel , Eire Og Carlow, St Galls , Garrycastle , Muliinalaghta, Drom collogher-Broadford and so on. As for the remainder of the championship only a freak series of events will stop Dublin , they are just miles ahead of everybody else .
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 23, 2020 13:21:09 GMT
Tipp went down by five points to Mayo in 2016.
They beat Cork in the MSF in 2016 after beating Waterford.
They beat Derry (lost to Tyrone in Ulster and then beat Louth, Meath, Cavan in Q) in a R4Q before beating Galway (strong Connacht champs, beat Mayo and Roscommon) in an AIQF.
Good luck Tipp.
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Post by john4 on Nov 23, 2020 14:23:49 GMT
Tipp went down by five points to Mayo in 2016. They beat Cork in the MSF in 2016 after beating Waterford. They beat Derry (lost to Tyrone in Ulster and then beat Louth, Meath, Cavan in Q) in a R4Q before beating Galway (strong Connacht champs, beat Mayo and Roscommon) in an AIQF. Good luck Tipp. That was a fantastic run by Tipperary. They had Mayo rattled that day until Robbie Kiely's loss to a black card. That was Liam Kearns first year with Tipperary. Nobody should underestimate the extent of this achievement given that hurling is No. 1 in Tipp.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 23, 2020 22:04:47 GMT
I wanted to let some of the insanity pass before I posted my thoughts, because they could be easily perceived as biased reactions of a bad loser and not rational discussion. I want to congratulate Cork on their win and wish them further good luck in their quest for Sam. God knows we’ve been kicked in the mouth before and the media are unlikely to let us ever forget. It’s little more than 2 years since Peter was invited to make the leap from corner shop to department store and assume management of the Kerry Senior team. He probably felt ennobled by his success as a manager of the minor teams and that the talent he helped nurture would transition successfully to the senior ranks. There are, however, obvious limitations underpinning that theory. Peter is not above fair criticism, just like everyone else that places themselves in the public eye. Many readers would balk at the idea of labeling our management as inept, though others might complain if we did not so do for their obvious failure - albeit uncomfortably. A tree is best measured when it is down, and so it is with people. In his first year in charge, Kerry were beaten in two winnable finals, League Final and All Ireland Final. By tradition, a criticism free year. Building a team takes time, no shortcuts. It may be that 2 years is not enough to achieve much but it is enough to evaluate the direction of travel and the likelihood of reaching the destination. Clearly, Peter has belief in his own ability to do the job – he took a huge bet on it when he determined that Donie Buckley should take the hit for last year’s failures. He then had to convince the players that he had the formula. That was a tightrope walk because Donie Buckley was well regarded by the players. The most salient of all questions to the group back then was - will shedding Donie Buckley provide the highest probability of achieving their goals? What distinguishes a high-performance team from others is that it is more than a collection of lads simply following orders. One of the characteristics of the best players is the fact that they're all great listeners. They want to get your coaching. They want to know the right thing to do. So they listen. They don't pretend they already know it all, but you also have to take off the training wheels and let them do their jobs. Add in a pattern of trust and consistency and players will enthusiastically march off in the right direction. Sunday’s debacle laid bare the tactical incompetence and naivety of a manager largely out of his depth. His tactics, even if that description is somewhat charitable, as far as I can comprehend, had no previous existence in the mind of any other man. A team is like a functioning organism, the respect you give is the respect you get. Players naturally interpret the heightened cautious approach as a lack of trust and confidence. Because of low trust and expectations, they come to doubt their own thinking and ability and respond in a sub-optimum way. The most subversive aspect of the ‘set-up-to-fail syndrome’ is that players live ‘DOWN’ to the low expectations they perceive that the manager has of them. This is where we came unstuck. It is the classic vicious circle, self-fulfilling, enduring, and extremely difficult to reverse. What now? The role of management demands that they have the courage to look within themselves for causes and solutions before placing the burden of responsibility where it belongs. Good managers motivate with the power of their vision, the passion of their delivery, and the compelling logic of their reasoning. That is shattered now. There is an assumption, rightly or wrongly, that successful leaders share a basic orientation, a unique approach, a solid innate quality. The coach critiques, motivates, inspires, disciplines, and strategizes along with the nowadays novel concept of taking responsibility for outcomes. I can’t see any evidence of most of those qualities. It’s not working and there is no reason to think that it ever will. Even the more moderate of the status quo thinkers must now have misgivings about the competence of this managerial group, including the selectors. I’m not going to keep throwing the same re-worded opinion around but “management” has to be considered an uncomfortable part of the puzzle. Or, will we simply plough on stoically, making comforting and positive noises about riches of youth and attacking football? I hope you can see where I am coming from and that you may have similar thoughts and conversations with yourself - or am I just naïve or worse? I think I missed this one and while as usual very consuming, I'm not so sure it all makes sense e.g. 2 winnable finals forgivable - every game is winnable but we weren't good enough, ah you saying it was down to management? I do agree though that this management outfit won't cut it with the Dublin we may never know if we would be good enough to topple them while they are still at their peak. I can't understand how the pedigree of Kerry has us dump Donie, a man with skill that fills the black hole in our battalion. Is the backroom team lacking that rousing hoor element, al la Paidí - someone to boil their blood? All that said, we speak from a distance, in a vacuum - were Donegal and Cork the same this weekend? Whatever about football, stay safe everybody.
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