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Post by john4 on Nov 24, 2020 0:12:42 GMT
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MON, 23 NOV, 2020 - 22:44 EOGHAN CORMICAN
"At last night’s Kerry County Board meeting, which took place online, not one delegate passed comment on the seniors’ early championship exit.
Kerry chairman Tim Murphy said the executive is in the process of reviewing the season with the Kerry management, but did stress the executive's commitment to providing “every possible resource we can” to Peter Keane's set-up for 2021.
Murphy described the Munster semi-final defeat to Cork as “hugely, hugely disappointing”.
“Wins over Monaghan and Donegal set us up nicely for our encounter against Cork, or so we thought. In terms of preparation, there was no stone left unturned by management and players, all of whom put in a huge amount of work and effort. Unfortunately, circumstances didn't materialise on the day and Cork went on and defeated us with a last-minute goal,” the chairman remarked".
Not one delegate passed comment on the seniors’ early championship exit.
Fear is contagious
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Post by natrachtalai on Nov 24, 2020 21:44:52 GMT
Greetings from Tiobraid Arran. What a day Sunday was. It is hard for Dublin or Kerry to grasp the joy felt in the homes of Tipperary on Sunday last. I was in Killarney in 1987 when Richard Stakelum declared the famine to be over. That was a day to savour but for a football fan in Tipp Sunday surpassed all of that. It was simply superb to experience. We have followed Tipp football teams to Killarney,Armagh, and many places in between over many years and dreamed of days like Sunday. We may throw out the hang sandwiches early in Tattler Jacks or some other football stronghold and although the banter was always good there was always a feeling of "what are they doing wasting a good day". Players like Franny Kelly, Declan Browne, Gene McGrath, Philly Ryan and many others would have graced many county teams if born elsewhere but were deprived of any tangible success. The class of 2011 changed things . The minors beat Cork in a terrific match in Killarney. Micko was infront of us in the stand for the senior game. In coversation he was asked what he thought of the Tipp minors. "Not bad" came the answer. But turning his head he said "if that number 5 is 15 years of age he is the best 15 year old I have seen" That number five was Colin O'Riordan. He was that good. An All Ireland followed. Rare scenes of joy in Croke Park on All Ireland football day for Tipperary. We realised we had the type of players that could earn respect for Tipperary and maybe just maybe a Munster title. Belief was all over the place last week but shhhh we could't tell Cork. Sunday's performance was waiting to break out and boy what a display. Things fell for us. COVID made the likes of Casey, Quinlivan and O'Riordan available. Powter bowed out another boost and with Kerry only watching on this had to be our day. Wow what a feeling that final whistle brought. Mayo in the way of a final appearance. Can we begin to dream again? Ahh we will dream anyway.
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Post by taibhse on Nov 24, 2020 22:04:30 GMT
“Commercials man”
Congratulations on a great achievement - continue the good work against Mayo now. That young ‘Blossom’ is some player - you can’t beat breeding. I think people don’t fully appreciate the genuinely high standard of Club football in the County. They might take notice now as there are some very good young lads coming on I believe.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 24, 2020 22:21:00 GMT
congratulations natractalai. It has been a long time since i enjoyed three games in a row so much...the Kerry Carlow hurling game and the Tipp and Cavan wins. A huge and welcome distraction and a great lift in the middle of winter.
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Post by taibhse on Nov 27, 2020 12:48:10 GMT
Rumor or not, it would be foolish to imagine that the players, as a group, would not have their views and opinions after that fiasco. As a group of educated, intelligent, and committed young men they would not enjoy being subjugated by playing that restrictive ‘system’. They know that they are better than that and they are well entitled to have their say. I would be more disappointed if they didn't express their feelings, 'bigly'
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Post by glengael on Nov 27, 2020 12:50:21 GMT
Irish Examiner MON, 23 NOV, 2020 - 22:44 EOGHAN CORMICAN "At last night’s Kerry County Board meeting, which took place online, not one delegate passed comment on the seniors’ early championship exit. Kerry chairman Tim Murphy said the executive is in the process of reviewing the season with the Kerry management, but did stress the executive's commitment to providing “every possible resource we can” to Peter Keane's set-up for 2021. Murphy described the Munster semi-final defeat to Cork as “hugely, hugely disappointing”. “Wins over Monaghan and Donegal set us up nicely for our encounter against Cork, or so we thought. In terms of preparation, there was no stone left unturned by management and players, all of whom put in a huge amount of work and effort. Unfortunately, circumstances didn't materialise on the day and Cork went on and defeated us with a last-minute goal,” the chairman remarked". Not one delegate passed comment on the seniors’ early championship exit. Fear is contagious I don't think think we can assume reasons for the lack of comment from delegates. It may just be the practicality of having a limited time and limited technology to get through the essential business of the meeting. Online meetings tend to have far less discussion than meetings in person. That's my experience of 8 months of online work meetings, which have included a fair share of people who usually love grandstanding, raising awkward or obscure questions and/or listening to the sound of their own voice.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 27, 2020 16:04:37 GMT
Irish Examiner MON, 23 NOV, 2020 - 22:44 EOGHAN CORMICAN "At last night’s Kerry County Board meeting, which took place online, not one delegate passed comment on the seniors’ early championship exit. Kerry chairman Tim Murphy said the executive is in the process of reviewing the season with the Kerry management, but did stress the executive's commitment to providing “every possible resource we can” to Peter Keane's set-up for 2021. Murphy described the Munster semi-final defeat to Cork as “hugely, hugely disappointing”. “Wins over Monaghan and Donegal set us up nicely for our encounter against Cork, or so we thought. In terms of preparation, there was no stone left unturned by management and players, all of whom put in a huge amount of work and effort. Unfortunately, circumstances didn't materialise on the day and Cork went on and defeated us with a last-minute goal,” the chairman remarked". Not one delegate passed comment on the seniors’ early championship exit. Fear is contagious I don't think think we can assume reasons for the lack of comment from delegates. It may just be the practicality of having a limited time and limited technology to get through the essential business of the meeting. Online meetings tend to have far less discussion than meetings in person. That's my experience of 8 months of online work meetings, which have included a fair share of people who usually love grandstanding, raising awkward or obscure questions and/or listening to the sound of their own voice. Your last line is brilliant and would describe a lot of these lads and lassies. Maybe they are quiet too cos they reckon their handy ticket might not be available now there are crowd restrictions.
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Post by Control5 on Nov 27, 2020 20:12:16 GMT
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NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION Peter Keane quizzed on Kerry management set-up Idle speculation of squad unrest and ultimatums from players is baseless, but they have met as a group since the loss in Cork and there is dissatisfaction about the coaching set-up since the poorly explained departure of Donie Buckley last March Peter Keane quizzed on Kerry management set-up Kerry manager Peter Keane at Páirc Uí Chaoimh. Picture: INPHO/Laszlo Geczo
FRI, 27 NOV, 2020 - 19:00 JOHN FOGARTY Kerry manager Peter Keane is under pressure to shake up his management and backroom team ahead of the 2021 season.
Discussions between the County Board and Kingdom boss Keane are expected to continue in the run up to Christmas as the fallout from the dramatic Munster SFC semi-final loss to Cork at Páirc Uí Chaoimh continues.
Initial meetings have already taken place between management and members of the Board’s executive where the composition of Keane’s backroom team was discussed. The manager has also met separately with his backroom team.
Idle speculation of squad unrest and ultimatums from players is baseless, but they have met as a group since the loss in Cork and there is dissatisfaction about the coaching set-up since the poorly explained departure of Donie Buckley last March.
With the announcement of Buckley’s exit coming just before the country went into lockdown, there was little public discourse on the behind-the-scenes tensions that led to his departure, but his coaching work met with universal approval from the squad. Players believe the failure to replace Buckley and his skillset compromised their readiness for Championship this autumn.
Prior to the Cork game, Peter Keane was asked about the Buckley departure and said: "I suppose it is water under the bridge. What I can say is that we parted company, I don't get into individual discussions I have with either members of the management or the players. You have privileged discussions going on all of the time and that would be a breach of them. That is where it is."
Keane is heading into the final year of his three-year term at a time when Kerry are also on the lookout for a new Under-20 manager following the departure of John Sugrue. All-Ireland winners such as Declan O’Sullivan, Kieran Donaghy, Marc Ó Sé, Seamus Moynihan, Tomas Ó Sé, and senior selector Tommy Griffin have all been touted as possible candidates for the role. However, the Board executive may want to look at the role as part of a broader management pathway strategy in the Kingdom.
As things stand, there are precious few candidates ready to step up to the senior manager position without reverting to former All-Ireland winning bosses. Current selector Maurice Fitzgerald is probably the standout candidate in that regard.
County Board chairman Tim Murphy told a Board meeting this week that a full review of the football performance this year was underway. John Mitchels club delegate Pat McAuliffe told the meeting: “I am glad to hear (the chairman) say there will be a review of all the workings of the senior football team management committee upcoming.”
He went on: “I think that is important in view of what happened against Cork. I know we lost but the way we set up has to be looked at. It does not bode well for some of the young forwards we have in the county when we had two defensive players in the half-forward line and the best target player we have (Tommy Walsh) in the county was brought on as a corner back in the last few minutes. Things like that have to be reviewed and looked at. We can’t keep making the same mistakes.”
The chairman commented: “I will certainly bring to management the points you are making.”
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Post by Control5 on Nov 27, 2020 20:13:58 GMT
There is a policy that rumours should not be posted. Whatsapp messages fly around like wildfire are often untrue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 20:43:34 GMT
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 27, 2020 21:14:05 GMT
Well it's hard to imagine how the loss of a well liked and respected coach wouldn't cause unrest. Then when you see the tactics and fear from PK that would only add to that disquiet.
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Post by john4 on Nov 28, 2020 0:23:36 GMT
Well it's hard to imagine how the loss of a well liked and respected coach wouldn't cause unrest. Then when you see the tactics and fear from PK that would only add to that disquiet. I can't figure out why the CB are quizzing PK now about the makeup of the management team when it was the same CB who accepted PK's wish to see the departure of DB back in March. Surely if the CB had reservations about the departure of DB, then was the time to ask the difficult questions, not now.
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Post by pillar on Nov 28, 2020 0:29:13 GMT
Well it's hard to imagine how the loss of a well liked and respected coach wouldn't cause unrest. Then when you see the tactics and fear from PK that would only add to that disquiet. I can't figure out why the CB are quizzing PK now about the makeup of the management team when it was the same CB who accepted PK's wish to see the departure of DB back in March. Surely if the CB had reservations about the departure of DB, then was the time to ask the difficult questions, not now. I think if the County Board wanted a manager and trusted him,then they should allow him to bring his own people with him.Hoisting a stranger that hasn't worked in kerry football for 8 years on them isn't ideal.And its not as if there's 3 blind mice in the management team.Youre talking about a man with 5 All Ireland medals,a former Player of the Year and superb players,and a man who obviously has skills which a 3 time All Ireland minor winning manager finds use for.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 28, 2020 3:01:41 GMT
I can't figure out why the CB are quizzing PK now about the makeup of the management team when it was the same CB who accepted PK's wish to see the departure of DB back in March. Surely if the CB had reservations about the departure of DB, then was the time to ask the difficult questions, not now. Agree! The politics of this stinks. Are they trying to force Peter out? He's completely undermined now anyway. I say TCB is getting vibes of unrest and kicked the ball in the air in De Paper - condemned PKs (at best suspect) management style while ALSO now as good as telling him he was wrong re Donie, and that there is an opening with the u20s - add that to 'the players have met' amid rumours of the vote count, and yes, Mce Fitz would be the outstanding alternative. They won't do it, social media will do it for them.
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Post by Control5 on Nov 28, 2020 9:52:24 GMT
The post below was in the Agus Rud Eile thread. That thread should be kept for stuff that is not already being covered by other threads. Could i ask that all post relating to the fall out from the Munster Championship be be put here. Thanks. Lads I think some on here have a very antiquated view of the management-player dynamic. Due to the amount of time & effort needed to compete at the top level, it is not only imperative that you get player buy in but also that you get the players to take on the leadership role that would previously have been the sole jurisdiction of the manager. The top managers are now facilitators and need to have the trust of the players. If that goes then the players are well within their right to point it out & in all likelihood the manager should see the writing on the wall rather than waiting for tabloid headlines of ‘a revolt’ to pop up We don’t know if it’s true or not but if the players voted to remove Keane then he should have the cop on to walk as he’ll only be causing more damage by staying
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 28, 2020 9:58:22 GMT
The post below was in the Agus Rud Eile thread. That thread should be kept for stuff that is not already being covered by other threads. Thanks. Lads I think some on here have a very antiquated view of the management-player dynamic. Due to the amount of time & effort needed to compete at the top level, it is not only imperative that you get player buy in but also that you get the players to take on the leadership role that would previously have been the sole jurisdiction of the manager. The top managers are now facilitators and need to have the trust of the players. If that goes then the players are well within their right to point it out & in all likelihood the manager should see the writing on the wall rather than waiting for tabloid headlines of ‘a revolt’ to pop up We don’t know if it’s true or not but if the players voted to remove Keane then he should have the cop on to walk as he’ll only be causing more damage by staying This post best sums it up in my opinion.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 28, 2020 10:39:34 GMT
Kerrybhoy06.
Below is an extract from you mail. Would you agree that the leadership role needed by players applies on the pitch more than anything?
Mick
Due to the amount of time & effort needed to compete at the top level, it is not only imperative that you get player buy in but also that you get the players to take on the leadership role that would previously have been the sole jurisdiction of the manager.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 28, 2020 10:53:17 GMT
Kerrybhoy06. Below is an extract from you mail. Would you agree that the leadership role needed by players applies on the pitch more than anything? Mick Due to the amount of time & effort needed to compete at the top level, it is not only imperative that you get player buy in but also that you get the players to take on the leadership role that would previously have been the sole jurisdiction of the manager. It is important for the players to take responsibility for the roles assigned to them within a tactical set up. The problem was that the tactical set up and the roles assigned to players was a shambles against Cork. If you’re going to ask me about Moran & taking leadership then yeah, he made a couple of mistakes. I still feel the lack of options inside that resulted from our overly defensive set up had a large influence here- a popped pass to 1 of 4/5 forward options would have probably been taken if they were there but we started with 2 scorers & with everyone dropping back.
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Post by Galway breeze on Nov 28, 2020 11:00:05 GMT
Radiokerryfan you are coming across as someone who does not like or want PK as Kerry manager since he got the job and you are a real Donie Buckley canvaser. Time to rest your vendetta on PK. It is also very interesting that only 26 players voted according to speculation and 40% voted PK out because of Donie’s departure. What happened that the full panel did not get a voice (45players or so)and also very hard to see the two senior players named allowing their names coming out in public talking about PK not there style and especially in their final years. We should support the Kerry team and PK with some changes for two more years as there is no one with the credentials YET! to remove Pk. Stop worrying about Dublin and what they have or do and get behind Kerry and management to win an all Ireland.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 28, 2020 11:03:39 GMT
Radiokerryfan you are coming across as someone who does not like or want PK as Kerry manager since he got the job and you are a real Donie Buckley canvaser. Time to rest your vendetta on PK. It is also very interesting that only 26 players voted according to speculation and 40% voted PK out because of Donie’s departure. What happened that the full panel did not get a voice (45players or so)and also very hard to see the two senior players named allowing their names coming out in public talking about PK not there style and especially in their final years. We should support the Kerry team and PK with some changes for two more years as there is no one with the credentials YET! to remove Pk. Stop worrying about Dublin and what they have or do and get behind Kerry and management to win an all Ireland. Not sure how long you are on this forum but I agreed with Peter's appointment and was delighted with DB appointment also. I called this out at the time and those posts are there if you go back far enough.
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Post by john4 on Nov 28, 2020 11:08:36 GMT
Radiokerryfan you are coming across as someone who does not like or want PK as Kerry manager since he got the job and you are a real Donie Buckley canvaser. Time to rest your vendetta on PK. It is also very interesting that only 26 players voted according to speculation and 40% voted PK out because of Donie’s departure. What happened that the full panel did not get a voice (45players or so)and also very hard to see the two senior players named allowing their names coming out in public talking about PK not there style and especially in their final years. We should support the Kerry team and PK with some changes for two more years as there is no one with the credentials YET! to remove Pk. Stop worrying about Dublin and what they have or do and get behind Kerry and management to win an all Ireland. What are the necessary credentials?, and if you are assuming that absolutely nobody other than PK has these necessary credentials, Who has the potential to develop these credentials so we'll know when the time comes?
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Post by Fado on Nov 28, 2020 11:13:32 GMT
Once again, one has to wonder what input the rest of the management team has had throughout the year.
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Post by Galway breeze on Nov 28, 2020 13:33:11 GMT
At the end of the day the manager is responsible for any outcome and will get all the abuse as shown here in this forum. So he/she should have the last call regarding team selection and game tactics. Just a thought as Maurice Fitzgerald has been involved at senior level for two decades as a player and selector (managed St Mary’s) would he not make a good candidate to take over as manager at this stage?
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Post by taibhse on Nov 28, 2020 13:50:01 GMT
Maurice is the head of a Secondary School that is hugely demanding of his time. It is also a school that may not have the back-up resources of other schools. Hasn't he been around the team during Fitz's time and now two years with Peter. No great evidence of his influence in forwards play - to be fair.
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Post by Control5 on Nov 28, 2020 15:38:21 GMT
Radiokerryfan you are coming across as someone who does not like or want PK as Kerry manager since he got the job and you are a real Donie Buckley canvaser. Time to rest your vendetta on PK. It is also very interesting that only 26 players voted according to speculation and 40% voted PK out because of Donie’s departure. What happened that the full panel did not get a voice (45players or so)and also very hard to see the two senior players named allowing their names coming out in public talking about PK not there style and especially in their final years. We should support the Kerry team and PK with some changes for two more years as there is no one with the credentials YET! to remove Pk. Stop worrying about Dublin and what they have or do and get behind Kerry and management to win an all Ireland. You are quoting from a whatsapp message that someone may have concocted. I asked that this not happen. You say authoritively that what happened was that the full panel did not get a voice. How do you know? Were you there?
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Post by brucewayne on Nov 28, 2020 15:45:30 GMT
Maurice is the head of a Secondary School that is hugely demanding of his time. It is also a school that may not have the back-up resources of other schools. Hasn't he been around the team during Fitz's time and now two years with Peter. No great evidence of his influence in forwards play - to be fair.Is he not more of a kicking coach with the lads? If so, Sean O'Shea's exhibition of place kicking in the drawn AI last year needs to be recalled here surely?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 28, 2020 15:47:00 GMT
Kerrybhoy06. Below is an extract from you mail. Would you agree that the leadership role needed by players applies on the pitch more than anything? Mick Due to the amount of time & effort needed to compete at the top level, it is not only imperative that you get player buy in but also that you get the players to take on the leadership role that would previously have been the sole jurisdiction of the manager. It is important for the players to take responsibility for the roles assigned to them within a tactical set up. The problem was that the tactical set up and the roles assigned to players was a shambles against Cork. If you’re going to ask me about Moran & taking leadership then yeah, he made a couple of mistakes. I still feel the lack of options inside that resulted from our overly defensive set up had a large influence here- a popped pass to 1 of 4/5 forward options would have probably been taken if they were there but we started with 2 scorers & with everyone dropping back. You are giving your fellow clubmate a huge pass there. Cork were set up "to defend a two point defeat". All that was needed was to play keep ball and string Cork along for a few minutes and them pick them of when the space opened up. There was no need to go on the offensive with the ball atall. 1.01 from 1.12 came from those two plays. I'd find it hard to believe that discussions about closing out tight games did not take place under PKs watch.
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Post by goonised on Nov 30, 2020 7:59:24 GMT
Give them a break, it happens in sport, we had the game in our hands but for a moment everyone knows can happen. Two point lead dangerous. We still have a league title.
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Post by glengael on Nov 30, 2020 10:18:18 GMT
I was reading through some newspapers before they departed for the recycling. Came across an interview with Cian O'neill about the practicalities of his role for Cork football. I thought it was quite interesting but I cannot find it online to share.
And yes, before someone reminds me, I do know that Cork lost the Munster football final and that O'Neill has been involved with other teams who have lost finals...
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Post by veteran on Nov 30, 2020 20:57:42 GMT
In today’s Examiner , Darren O’Sullivan strongly refutes rumours of a players’ revolt in the Kerry camp. There is an air of authenticity about his rebuttal. I am pleased with his intervention. As I said before, nothing good would arise from such a “revolt “.
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