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Post by hurlingman on Jun 18, 2023 11:17:18 GMT
Thank God for Kilmoyley this weekend. They were outstanding and well worth their win in a great game. Pressure now on Causeway to progress from what is clearly the toughtest group. O'dorney were much too strong for Crokes. Let's hope for improvement for Ballyheigue & Crokes in their second match or they will be left wondering why they are playing senior championship. I was delighted to see Crokes opt to play senior, and their league form was encouraging, but now I think that both they & Ballyheigue would be better served playing intermediate championship where they could get a run of games. Speaking of Intermediate, where can we find fixtures? Ballyheigue did try to regrade to Intermediate a few years ago but CB wouldn't let them. As for Crokes it's a hard one. This years league has shown they can get results but it's not happening for them in the championship. |
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Post by kerryfan2022 on Jun 18, 2023 20:18:18 GMT
Thank God for Kilmoyley this weekend. They were outstanding and well worth their win in a great game. Pressure now on Causeway to progress from what is clearly the toughtest group. O'dorney were much too strong for Crokes. Let's hope for improvement for Ballyheigue & Crokes in their second match or they will be left wondering why they are playing senior championship. I was delighted to see Crokes opt to play senior, and their league form was encouraging, but now I think that both they & Ballyheigue would be better served playing intermediate championship where they could get a run of games. Speaking of Intermediate, where can we find fixtures? Ballyheigue did try to regrade to Intermediate a few years ago but CB wouldn't let them. As for Crokes it's a hard one. This years league has shown they can get results but it's not happening for them in the championship. Ballyheigue missing two county players was a massive blow to them. To be fair they had a win last year and ran the county champions to 5 points in the quarter final. As for kilmoyley, if causeway could find the target, it would have been a different result but an entertaining game none the less |
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Post by mossie on Jun 18, 2023 22:03:50 GMT
Thank God for Kilmoyley this weekend. They were outstanding and well worth their win in a great game. Pressure now on Causeway to progress from what is clearly the toughtest group. O'dorney were much too strong for Crokes. Let's hope for improvement for Ballyheigue & Crokes in their second match or they will be left wondering why they are playing senior championship. I was delighted to see Crokes opt to play senior, and their league form was encouraging, but now I think that both they & Ballyheigue would be better served playing intermediate championship where they could get a run of games. Speaking of Intermediate, where can we find fixtures? Harsh on Ballyheigue They were short 2 of their best players Friday night They also beat Lixnaw in the 2022 championship and performed very well in the QF where they lost to Causeway. They had a good few players on the Kerry under 20 hurling squad this year so they will be fine at senior in the long run Also harsh on Crokes, they were competitive for most of the match against Abbeydorney, key stage in the first half, Nigel Roche made a great save from Charlie Keating and from the save ODorney went down the field and got a goal, a 6 point swing. I actually thought they played a lot of good hurling against Abbeydorney They have won matches in the county league and north kerry championship, not in the championship yet but they havent out of their depth either. . By playing senior, players living in east kerry from hurling counties fall in with them that might not if they were intermediate, plus they have a few local killarney lads playing dual Charlie Keating, Tom Doyle etc |
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Post by mossie on Jun 18, 2023 22:10:00 GMT
Thank God for Kilmoyley this weekend. They were outstanding and well worth their win in a great game. Pressure now on Causeway to progress from what is clearly the toughtest group. O'dorney were much too strong for Crokes. Let's hope for improvement for Ballyheigue & Crokes in their second match or they will be left wondering why they are playing senior championship. I was delighted to see Crokes opt to play senior, and their league form was encouraging, but now I think that both they & Ballyheigue would be better served playing intermediate championship where they could get a run of games. Speaking of Intermediate, where can we find fixtures? Some exhibition from Maurice O'Connor Kilmoyley, his scores were absolute top quality www.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/sport/gaa/maurice-oconnor-stars-as-kilmoyley-hit-champions-causeway-with-four-goals-in-kerry-shc-victory/a23760042.htmlGreat match between Kilmoyley and Causeway for the 2nd season in a row Causeway will rue the wides (17) and picked up a few injuries which leaves them vulnerable against St Brendans next weekend Kilmoyley will be very pleased with the victory but will need the likes of Robert Monohan back to go all the way |
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Post by mossie on Jun 18, 2023 22:25:50 GMT
Other points of note from the weekend
The performance of Michael O'Leary for Abbeydorney, excellent, Crokes brought on senior footballer Mark O'Shea to man mark him after 25mins which made a bit of a difference
Oisin Maunsell got 1-2 off the bench for Abbeydorney and if he can stay injury free he will be a serious weapon for Abbeydorney
Also, two excellent refereeing performances on Saturday night
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 19, 2023 8:34:04 GMT
Other points of note from the weekend The performance of Michael O'Leary for Abbeydorney, excellent, Crokes brought on senior footballer Mark O'Shea to man mark him after 25mins which made a bit of a difference Oisin Maunsell got 1-2 off the bench for Abbeydorney and if he can stay injury free he will be a serious weapon for Abbeydorney Also, two excellent refereeing performances on Saturday night He's been a big loss to Kerry the last few seasons imo. It's odd how Abbeydorney haven't had anyone on the panel for the last two seasons. But may also explain why they're having more success. |
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Post by moth on Jun 23, 2023 16:17:03 GMT
Big weekend for championship. Given the fixtures, up to 3 teams (Crokes, B'heigue, Causeway) could exit the championship.
I agree that a 9-team championship is difficult to plan, but why the haste in rushing the group matches? Crokes have a 6-day turnaround and their entire championship could end in that 6 days. It's insane & wouldn't be tolerated if the same approach was applied to their footballers.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 25, 2023 19:45:42 GMT
Big weekend for championship. Given the fixtures, up to 3 teams (Crokes, B'heigue, Causeway) could exit the championship. I agree that a 9-team championship is difficult to plan, but why the haste in rushing the group matches? Crokes have a 6-day turnaround and their entire championship could end in that 6 days. It's insane & wouldn't be tolerated if the same approach was applied to their footballers. Madness that Ballyheigue and Crokes season is essentially over in a week. As long as the CB pay lip service to club hurling teams will just have to accept it for whst it is. |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jun 25, 2023 21:11:58 GMT
Teams training all year to play a 7 day championship, how can you sell hurling to up and coming minors in Killarney & Ballyheigue if this is the outcome?
I am not sure what the answer is, but surely this isn’t the answer.
Ballyheigue were missing Colin Walsh & Michael Leane but you’d wonder would winning an intermediate championship at this stage be better for them and then go back up to senior.
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Post by moth on Jun 28, 2023 16:59:45 GMT
Intermediate championship started last night & B'heigue were hammered by Ladys Walk. Not a good week for the club.
Four other first round games scheduled for tonight. Parnells have a bye.
In the senior championship this weekend, Brendans need to beat Kilmoyley by about 10 points to avoid an exit. Like Crokes & B'heigue, it looks like they'll get just 2 championship matches on successive weekends this year.
The split season was supposed to benefit clubs, yet we're rushing through the hurling championship before most even start theirs.
I know it's difficult to organise championships with 9 & 11 teams. I don't think there is perfect solution, but I'd propose restricting the senior championship to 8 teams, with promotion and relegation, as is the case with the football championships. Then the championships could proceed the same as the footballs Intermediate/Junior championship, with one fewer knockout round.
For senior championship, 2 groups of 4, with a free weekend (or 2) in the middle. Top 2 from each qualify for semi-finals. Bottom team in each group play off to avoid relegation. Two week breaks before and after the semis, to allow players recover from knocks.
For the intermediate championship, a group of 4 to consist of the first teams (e.g. Crokes, Parnells, Kenmare, Kilgarvan) with the top 2 going to the semi finals. Then, if we have 8 B teams, they can form 2 groups of 4 with only top team from these groups going to semis.
An alternative (probably fairer), would be to have 2 teams from all groups qualify (6 teams) and have 2 quarter finals like current senior hurling championship.
Like senior championship, there should be at least one free week during the group matches.
If a B teams wins the Intermediate championship, then you either don't relegate a team or else have a playoff between the top Intermediate club and the team that lost the relegation match.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 3, 2023 12:10:34 GMT
So Ardfert are another side who's championship is over in the space of a week.
Good win for Lixnaw over Ballyduff at the weekend. Crotta and Abbeydorney drew as well.
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Post by mossie on Jul 6, 2023 22:18:57 GMT
Big weekend for championship. Given the fixtures, up to 3 teams (Crokes, B'heigue, Causeway) could exit the championship. I agree that a 9-team championship is difficult to plan, but why the haste in rushing the group matches? Crokes have a 6-day turnaround and their entire championship could end in that 6 days. It's insane & wouldn't be tolerated if the same approach was applied to their footballers. Madness that Ballyheigue and Crokes season is essentially over in a week. As long as the CB pay lip service to club hurling teams will just have to accept it for whst it is. The kerry county board arent as efficient at running off the hurling to clear the way for football as Kilkenny are at running off the football to clear the way for hurling! Kilkenny football final was on last Friday hoganstand.com/Article/Index/328407The elephant in the room that no one wants to mention or tackle in Kerry is that having two county football championships run on a round robin basis just squeezes the calendar too much and it is the hurling has to suffer. no other county has two county championships in the one code Start the senior hurling championship one week later than at present which means leaving cert students dont senior championship matches, push the final back 2 weeks and that leaves an extra week in between matches somewhere along the line. That tweek would sort out a lot |
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Post by mossie on Jul 6, 2023 22:21:32 GMT
Teams training all year to play a 7 day championship, how can you sell hurling to up and coming minors in Killarney & Ballyheigue if this is the outcome? I am not sure what the answer is, but surely this isn’t the answer. Ballyheigue were missing Colin Walsh & Michael Leane but you’d wonder would winning an intermediate championship at this stage be better for them and then go back up to senior. Ballyheigue are decent under age in recent years, have had good u20\21 teams last 2 or 3 years, things will improve at senior for them soon. In fact they had a good 2022 championship but the loss of Walsh and Leane really hit them in 2023 |
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Post by mossie on Jul 6, 2023 22:24:21 GMT
So Ardfert are another side who's championship is over in the space of a week. Good win for Lixnaw over Ballyduff at the weekend. Crotta and Abbeydorney drew as well. Lixnaw are the team coming in under the radar, poor championship in 2022, very few wins in 2023 county league so outlook for the championship wasnt great Look to be buzzing nicely in the championship, huge numbers training by all accounts |
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Post by moth on Jul 10, 2023 9:27:18 GMT
Disappointing to see Crotta give a walkover to Ballyheigue in the intermediate championship losers round at the weekend.
Quarter finals this Wednesday.
In senior championship, Quarter finals are on this coming weekend.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 12, 2023 21:17:06 GMT
Another big win for Parnells tonight against Kilmoyley. Looking good to win it this year.
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Post by mossie on Jul 12, 2023 22:37:15 GMT
Another big win for Parnells tonight against Kilmoyley. Looking good to win it this year. They have beaten the Kilmoyley second string and Causeway second string and looked impressive but it must be said the standard of the second teams in Kilmoyley and Causeway are not as high as in times past Parnells should be strong enough for Kenmare in the semi final but only a puck of a ball seperated them in last years championship, Parnells winning by 3 points Kilgarvan will not give up their title lightly and would be within their rights to demand that no fixtures are played until Kerry senior football team are out of the championship so they have Donal Down St Brendans B are also a strong side too So all in all Parnells motoring well which is good to see, favourites at this stage but it is far from certain that they will win it It is also disappointing to see that they didnt field in the minor championship this year. played 2 or 3 league matches only They won the Kerry Feile under 15 in 2022 and a national feile, hard to fathom that they wouldnt have a minor team in 2023 |
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Post by mossie on Jul 12, 2023 23:04:31 GMT
the back door format introduced by the county board in the intermediate championship has been a welcome addition, generates more matches for teams that dont play a lot of matches
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Post by moth on Jul 13, 2023 12:59:29 GMT
the back door format introduced by the county board in the intermediate championship has been a welcome addition, generates more matches for teams that dont play a lot of matches The draw has also helped this year, with the 3 Intermediate teams that are first teams staying apart until the semi-finals. Parnells win was emphatic, but Kilgarvan's win away in Ballyduff was also impressive. |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jul 15, 2023 8:37:55 GMT
If Tralee Parnells win intermediate this year and Crokes are willing to keep going in the SHC the following format with 10 teams next year could work.
Two Groups of 5. Group A and B
Every team play eachother once, so every club is guaranteed 4 games in the SHC and not 2 games in 7 days and then year over which happened to a few clubs this year.
Top team in each group straight to semis.
2nd in group A plays 3rd in Group B and vice versa to make up the q-final pairings.
This would give the likes of Parnells, Crokes & Ballyheigue four guaranteed championship matches every year and a chance to build momentum.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 15, 2023 20:51:52 GMT
Big win for Crotta this evening over Causeway. Could this finally be their year?
Abbeydorney also unlucky to lose out to Ballyduff.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 15, 2023 21:56:00 GMT
C.R.O.T.T A!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mossie on Jul 15, 2023 23:03:38 GMT
Is this the year Hermit? end the famine since 1968 |
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Post by mossie on Jul 15, 2023 23:04:20 GMT
the back door format introduced by the county board in the intermediate championship has been a welcome addition, generates more matches for teams that dont play a lot of matches The draw has also helped this year, with the 3 Intermediate teams that are first teams staying apart until the semi-finals. Parnells win was emphatic, but Kilgarvan's win away in Ballyduff was also impressive. yep the draw fell nicely in that respect |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 15, 2023 23:54:28 GMT
Is this the year Hermit? end the famine since 1968 The reason I don't go near this thread come the summer Mossie is cause it would inevitably end mourning another year onto the famine. I'm still haunted by 2011, everyone in Kilflynn is. We've been so good underage the last few years you'd think we might have a chance but look how else is left!! If there's any 3 clubs that will break you're heart it's Lixnaw, Kilmoyley and Ballyduff 😭 Still isn't there always hope, even if it's a fool's hope... |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jul 16, 2023 10:56:47 GMT
I thought the standard of hurling went up noticeably this weekend.
Some excellent young hurlers on view and of course Barry O Mahony is a huge addition back for Crotta.
Looking forward to the semi finals next weekend already.
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Post by moth on Jul 16, 2023 12:11:33 GMT
I thought that Crotta were the better team, but will need to take a higher proportion of their chances to beat Kilmoyley.
Causeway never gave up, but didn't reach the heights of last year.
I don't understand why teams don't have a 2 week break to the semi-finals in both senior & intermediate. It's even tougher for Crotta & Ballyduff, as Kilmoyley & Lixnaw have that extra week. It is very unfair on all teams, particularly those who have a smaller selection.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 17, 2023 19:49:38 GMT
I thought that Crotta were the better team, but will need to take a higher proportion of their chances to beat Kilmoyley. Causeway never gave up, but didn't reach the heights of last year. I don't understand why teams don't have a 2 week break to the semi-finals in both senior & intermediate. It's even tougher for Crotta & Ballyduff, as Kilmoyley & Lixnaw have that extra week. It is very unfair on all teams, particularly those who have a smaller selection. It's simple really the CB want the county championship out of the way as soon as possible and the sooner It's done the better. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 17, 2023 19:50:24 GMT
I thought the standard of hurling went up noticeably this weekend. Some excellent young hurlers on view and of course Barry O Mahony is a huge addition back for Crotta. Looking forward to the semi finals next weekend already. He would have been huge addition to the hurlers this year as well. |
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Post by kerryfan2022 on Jul 17, 2023 19:56:06 GMT
I thought that Crotta were the better team, but will need to take a higher proportion of their chances to beat Kilmoyley. Causeway never gave up, but didn't reach the heights of last year. I don't understand why teams don't have a 2 week break to the semi-finals in both senior & intermediate. It's even tougher for Crotta & Ballyduff, as Kilmoyley & Lixnaw have that extra week. It is very unfair on all teams, particularly those who have a smaller selection. A joke but maybe it might suit a team like Crotta to be out again this weekend. A young fit team. |
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