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Post by Mickmack on Aug 3, 2020 9:26:43 GMT
If you dont like the commentary, why not turn down the commentary and watch it as if you are at the game. Its not like the radio where you cant see whats happening. I thought the commentary on both games i watched were grand. Thats what i did , was only stating that i didnt like the commentary , sorry if this upset you I was just giving you a bit of a hint in case turning the volume down hadnt occurred to you.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 3, 2020 11:09:31 GMT
I cannot overestimate the positive vibes from being able to see games again Pat Spillane
After months of writing about Covid-19 and how the government and the GAA have responded to the pandemic, this is a back-to-basics column.
I cannot overestimate the positive vibes I feel as a result of being able to see games again. It is food for the soul.
Granted there have been, and will continue to be, hiccups. But, in terms of the good it is doing for the mental health of GAA fans, the restart has more than justified itself.
On Sunday, March 1, I watched two Allianz League matches on TV. Kerry fell over the line against Mayo, while an in-form Donegal put Monaghan to the sword.
I was really looking forward to the remainder of the League.
In Round 6 there was the possibility of Galway sending neighbours Mayo into Division 2, while in Round 7 Kerry were hosting Donegal in Killarney – raising the prospect of another cracking game in the mould of their classic Super 8s clash in Croke Park last year.
The Championship was fast approaching, with the prospect of an early summer Ulster showdown between Donegal and Tyrone. I was like a six-year-old on Christmas Eve.
Then a deadly invisible virus landed on our shores. It transported us to an abnormal world, where sport didn’t matter anymore.
Last weekend, for the first time in nearly five months, I sat down in front of the television to watch and analyse a game.
And, in a strange quirk of fate, the game involved my beloved Templenoe taking on mighty Dr Crokes in the Kerry club championship.
My pre-match fears about the outcome were realised. Templenoe were on the receiving end of an 11-point hammering – and it could have been a lot worse.
Crokes missed five goal chances, kicked 11 wides and played in second gear in the second half. So what went wrong?
I keep thinking about the often-quoted remark made by the late Fianna Fáil minister Séamus Brennan during government formation talks with the Green Party in 2007: ‘Lads, you’re playing senior hurling now.’
And, sadly, that’s what Templenoe discovered to their cost. Playing senior championship football for the first time in their history was a different kind of experience.
At junior and intermediate level the club’s county players were able to dominate matches and carry us through.
But this strategy doesn’t work at senior level against better balanced teams with stronger panels, whose tactics are far more advanced and whose fitness levels are higher.
Our lads discovered that the time and space available at the lower grades simply does not exist in senior championship football.
Due to the congested fixture list for club and county teams, the stronger club and county sides will be even more advantaged this year.
Templenoe’s schedule means they play four games in five weeks – three in the club championship and one in the county championship.
We will be without Kerry full-back Tadgh Morley and two other first-team players for the three remaining games as they’re injured.
We simply don’t have the reserve of talent to cope with these losses.
I ended up being the proverbial couch potato watching four full games and the second halves of two more.
Aside from Dr Crokes v Templenoe, I watched Kenmare v Kerins O’Rahillys (Kerry), St Jude’s v Na Fianna (Dublin) and Castlehaven v Carbury Rangers (Cork), as well as the second halves of two other Cork ties: St Finbarr’s v Ballincollig and Bishopstown v Douglas.
It was interesting to note the different styles and standards between the three counties.
The football in Kerry was primarily traditional, while in Cork the standard was very poor.
In terms of fitness, physique and athleticism, the players from Na Fianna and St Jude’s were way ahead of their southern counterparts.
Their game was more tactical, with an emphasis on defensive play in particular.
Both teams deployed a zonal press for the kick-out, while their overall defensive play was excellent, particularly the tackling technique of the players.
On the other hand, their forward play left a lot to be desired. Minimum use was made of kick passing.
There was no spike in injuries during any of the games.
But it was significant that most teams were missing first-choice players – obviously as a result of knocks picked up during the hectic pre-season period.
Last Sunday I mentioned how Kerry players rarely stand out in club football any longer – though David Clifford, Paul Geaney and Sean O’Shea were exceptions.
They must have read what I wrote. Clifford scored 2-6 from play for Fossa against Ballyduff; Paul Geaney hit 1-6 of Dingle’s total of 1-12 in their draw with Austin Stacks and O’Shea gave a masterclass for Kenmare, scoring all but one of their nine pointsin their 2-9 to 0-13 win over Kerins O’Rahillys.
Anybody who wants to see forward play at its best should get a copy of the tape. O’Shea didn’t dominate the game like he usually does – indeed, he wasn’t on the ball that much.
But the mark of a great player is their ability to influence proceedings, even if they’re having a quiet day.
He had nine shots at goal. He scored five points from play – four with his right foot and one with his left. He converted two frees and a mark and was narrowly wide from a 45.
In terms of the wider picture for Kerry, it was all forwards who caught the eye locally.
Jack Savage and James O’Donoghue put their hands up in terms of form. Indeed, at the moment, Kerry could field two full-forward lines.
Take your pick from Stephen O’Brien, David Clifford, Paul Geaney, Tommy Walsh, Killian Spillane and O’Donoghue.
But I reckon I found a new Kerry defender – in Dublin.
The best defensive display I witnessed last weekend came from Kerry-native Jack McGuire, who gave a masterclass for St Jude’s.
A Sigerson Cup winner, he was briefly on the Kerry squad when Éamonn Fitzmaurice was in charge.
He is tall, athletic and physical – and didn’t give Dublin’s All-Ireland medal winner Conor McHugh a look-in. He has all the attributes needed to be a top-class county-standard defender.
This was my first opportunity to have an in-depth look at how the new rules will impact on club football.
Things may change – but they had minimum influence last weekend.
The new kick-out rule resulted in the majority of restarts going long. This helped speed up the game and resulted in a lot of aerial battles in the middle third of the field.
David Moran (Kerins O’Rahillys) (pictured) underlined the value of having a proven fielder, as he achieved more marks than any other player in the games I watched.
The advance mark was used sparingly, possibly because the kicking technique of many of the players is still very poor – they are not following through on their kicks – and, secondly, teams haven’t had enough time to work on how best to utilise it.
Only St Jude’s made a real effort to utilise it, scoring three points via marks.
The sin bin was virtually redundant as well, with the first black card being shown to a Carbery Rangers’ defender in the 49th minute.
There were at least three other cases where the player should have seen black, but the referee took the easy option and booked him instead.
As for the implementation of the GAA’s Covid-19 regulations, it was a mixed bag.
Clubs ignored the rules that: (1) substitutes should be positioned on opposite sides of the pitch and (2) there be no huddles.
The water breaks are a waste of time.
The majority of players didn’t take any water on board. Essentially, they’re used as ‘timeouts’.
Of course, the biggest farce is the continuing restrictions on attendance.
I’m tired writing that the government’s one-size-fits-all approach doesn’t work.
Basically, the size of the crowd should be based on the capacity of the venue.
The 200 limit might be okay at a small club venue, but it’s ridiculous in places such as Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney or Limerick’s Gaelic Grounds.
But, all told, the relaunch has been a success and allowed us to forget all the gloom and doom. Long may it continue
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Post by dc84 on Aug 5, 2020 13:50:45 GMT
Any idea what games are being shown this weekend? You would imagine crokes vs Kenmare and legion vs stacks?
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Post by Fado on Aug 5, 2020 22:12:59 GMT
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Post by Kerry GAA Officer on Aug 5, 2020 22:47:38 GMT
Any idea what games are being shown this weekend? You would imagine crokes vs Kenmare and legion vs stacks? That’s it exactly. Friday at 7 and Saturday at 5.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 6, 2020 5:24:45 GMT
Thanks !
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2020 18:54:14 GMT
Is there anything a stake between Kenmare and Crokes- are both thought?
Can Legion and Stacks both advance if they win?
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Post by Kerry GAA Officer on Aug 7, 2020 19:04:10 GMT
Is there anything a stake between Kenmare and Crokes- are both thought? Can Legion and Stacks both advance if they win? The winner goes straight into the final. Very important game!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 19:43:55 GMT
Great win by Kenmare
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 7, 2020 19:48:08 GMT
Great result for Kenmare, delighted for them. Sounds like Crokes thought they had the job done when they were 6 up in the 2nd half and allowed Kenmare a route back into the game.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 7, 2020 20:15:07 GMT
Great win by kenmare great heart and fight , id say the wind and sun had a bearing on the game of 2 halves crokes weak enough through the middle except johhny Buckley and high ball killed them. Every team will look to use this now.
Dan mcarthy man of the match for me 1-4 they couldnt handle him at all. Having said that crokes shouldve won too reliant on the older lads o leary,buckley looney and fitzgearald they all tired a bit 8n 2nd half and kenmare took over first 15 and last 10 of a very long 2nd half
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2020 9:31:04 GMT
Is there anything a stake between Kenmare and Crokes- are both thought? Can Legion and Stacks both advance if they win? The winner goes straight into the final. Very important game! thanks There is a very tasty knockout hurling championship game on 15.8.2020 at 6pm between parish rivals Kilmoyley and St Brendans No need for a commentator or anything ....i will pay the fiver now!
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Post by diego on Aug 8, 2020 16:07:45 GMT
In case you were looking for this evening's game on Beosport, Kerry GAA going with a different provider for the 5pm game today..
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Post by diego on Aug 8, 2020 16:08:35 GMT
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Post by diego on Aug 9, 2020 13:02:37 GMT
Stacks ran out convincing winners over Legion yesterday.
Good all round team display with young Joe O'Connor at midfield putting in a fine individual performance.
The winning margin - which put Stacks through to the final ahead of Dingle - was helped by Legion hitting the woodwork with a couple of good goal chances. Another factor was the crazy red card given to James O'Donoghue. James - who only came on at half time due to a hamstring worry - was trying to take a free but Stacks corner back Paul O'Sullivan stood right in front of him and refused to move away to allow the free be taken. Haven't had a chance to check it again as the streaming service hasn't worked since the game ended, but on first viewing it appeared to be that James just pushed him away with an open hand in understandable frustration.
Instead of the Stacks player getting a yellow and the free being brought forward, the linesman steps in and tells the ref to red card O'Donoghue.
On a side note, I see Valentia - having fielded a team in the opening 2 group games of the Junior Championship - were unable to complete their fixture v Cordal this weeekend which could mean 2 weeks of playoffs are now needed before the next round as score difference can't be used to separate the top 3.
Stacks had a small army of quality players coming in off the bench yesterday, so on the face of it seems very strange to have 2 players from Valentia in the first 15 by them.
Don't know the full reasons behind these transfers, but makes you wonder how they were sanctioned.
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Post by southward on Aug 9, 2020 13:54:20 GMT
Stacks ran out convincing winners over Legion yesterday. Good all round team display with young Joe O'Connor at midfield putting in a fine individual performance. The winning margin - which put Stacks through to the final ahead of Dingle - was helped by Legion hitting the woodwork with a couple of good goal chances. Another factor was the crazy red card given to James O'Donoghue. James - who only came on at half time due to a hamstring worry - was trying to take a free but Stacks corner back Paul O'Sullivan stood right in front of him and refused to move away to allow the free be taken. Haven't had a chance to check it again as the streaming service hasn't worked since the game ended, but on first viewing it appeared to be that James just pushed him away with an open hand in understandable frustration. Instead of the Stacks player getting a yellow and the free being brought forward, the linesman steps in and tells the ref to red card O'Donoghue. On a side note, I see Valentia - having fielded a team in the opening 2 group games of the Junior Championship - were unable to complete their fixture v Cordal this weeekend which could mean 2 weeks of playoffs are now needed before the next round as score difference can't be used to separate the top 3. Stacks had a small army of quality players coming in off the bench yesterday, so on the face of it seems very strange to have 2 players from Valentia in the first 15 by them. Don't know the full reasons behind these transfers, but makes you wonder how they were sanctioned.The O'Sullivans are living and working in Tralee afaik. It's tough on Valentia but I suppose travelling from Tralee to there and back all the time is a big ask longterm; sure you'd nearly get to Cork as quick.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2020 14:08:33 GMT
Just watched Kenmare v Crokes and even though i knew the result i was on the edge of my seat at the end.
Thats 3 games now that Kenmare could easily have lost but they refused to accept defeat.
SOB didnt play but with him fit alongside SOS Paul oConnor and Dan McCarthy, Kenmare are a force to be reckoned with.
Kenmare knew how troublesome the high ball is to defend against with the low setting sun in the eyes.
Sean OSullivan a great addition to the commentary and the spectucular setting of the Kenmare pitch is a sight to behold.
David Shaw operated around the middle to good effect. Looks like he will play a lot. At the end it looked like there were two Sean oSheas on the pitch. What leadership.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Aug 9, 2020 14:35:25 GMT
Just watched Kenmare v Crokes and even though i knew the result i was on the edge of my seat at the end. Thats 3 games now that Kenmare could easily have lost but they refused to accept defeat. SOB didnt play but with him fit alongside SOS Paul oConnor and Dan McCarthy, Kenmare are a force to be reckoned with. Kenmare knew how troublesome the high ball is to defend against with the low setting sun in the eyes. Sean OSullivan a great addition to the commentary and the spectucular setting of the Kenmare pitch is a sight to behold. David Shaw operated around the middle to good effect. Looks like he will play a lot. At the end it looked like there were two Sean oSheas on the pitch. What leadership. I must say I though Dara O Shea was excellent for Kenmare all through. Strong defender and very good use of the ball moving it out from defense. Michael Potts from Crokes looks to have a huge amount of ability just would have liked for him to get on the ball more but looks very talented. The pitch was in great condition and Kenmare bay looks great in the summer sun.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 14, 2020 10:31:45 GMT
Any idea of when the final is scheduled for ? After both are eliminated from Co.champ?
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Post by diego on Sept 13, 2020 17:12:37 GMT
Results from Killarney today:
Senior Club Relegation playoff - Templenoe 3-18 Kilcummin 0-14
Goals by Josh Crowley-Holland, Stephen O'Sullivan and Killian Spillane.
Kilcummin finished with 12 men after getting 3 sent off.
They drop now to the Intermediate grade, and like Rathmore this year they will also now join up with East Kerry next year in the county championship.
Senior Club Championship final - Austin Stacks 1-17 Kenmare Shamrocks 1-14 (After Extra Time, score after normal time 1-9 each).
The 1st half was a defensive and at times niggly affair with big numbers retreating behind the ball.
Stacks would have been the happier at half time going in level at 0-5 each after playing against the wind.
A goal from Sean O'Shea early in the 2nd half was quickly followed by Stacks going down to 14 men when Brendan O'Sullivan picked up a 2nd yellow for a high tackle. Stacks - despite playing very poorly for long periods - managed to stay within a few points, and they closed the gap to 3 just as the hour mark elapsed. About 3 minutes in to stoppage time a high ball lofted in to Kieran Donaghy with the aid of the strong breeze caused carnage in the Kenmare square. The ball broke out to Sean Quilter who slammed a left-footed shot to the back of the net through the crowded goalmouth.
Stacks were now back up to 15 men, and Kenmare could only take a narrow lead (1-12 to 1-11) in to the half time break in ET after having the benefit of the breeze
The strength in depth of the Stacks was starting to tell, and they turned it around in the 2nd period to claim their 2nd club championship in a row.
Good to see Sean O'Shea back to full fitness and kicking a couple of great scores. Stephen O'Brien had some good moments as well. They'll be sick they left this one behind though.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 15, 2020 10:22:03 GMT
Congrats to stacks as Diego said the subs made a big difference in the end wasnt the best match but had an exciting finish !
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 15, 2020 10:40:43 GMT
I started watching this game as the game went into injury time. Kenmare were 4 points ahead and playing keep ball but you could see they were out on their feet and struggling to do so. One turnover led to Mannix belting over a huge point.
Stacks then missed a scorable free and Kenmare regained the ball again and tried to run down the clock. A certain Kieran Donaghy could be seen making his way towards the Kenmare goal should one last chance come. Kenmare kicked away possession and after a few passes the inevitable scud missile was launched and Donaghy under pressure gets a hand to it to a Stacks colleague and bang the ball in in the roof of the net. Stacks subs won the game in extra time. A bit like Crokes the previous evening all they had to do was stop a goal happening but a high ball into the Horans end did the damage on both occasions.
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