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Post by greengold35 on Oct 7, 2019 19:35:59 GMT
John Sugrue announced tonight as new U-20 manager - great appointment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 19:38:21 GMT
Very interesting, slightly surprised given he has been outside the county for a while but obviously pleased
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Post by Kingdomson on Oct 7, 2019 20:03:18 GMT
Great news! An excellent appointiment for Kerry and a great opportunity for John Sugrue.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 7, 2019 20:04:01 GMT
Very interesting indeed.
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Post by pillar on Oct 7, 2019 20:24:53 GMT
I flagged this on this forum a couple of months ago..great appointment
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 20:28:07 GMT
Yes, you reminded us on the u21 thread also😉😉
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Post by pillar on Oct 7, 2019 20:31:24 GMT
Yes, you reminded us on the u21 thread also😉😉 You heard it here first😂😂😂 |
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Post by veteran on Oct 7, 2019 20:49:32 GMT
John comes across as an astute operator but living in Laois surely poses logistical problems. It will be interesting to see the makeup of his backup team.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 7, 2019 22:28:58 GMT
Excellent appointment. Had heard a few names mentioned that wouldn't have deserved it. John has served his apprenticeship with intercounty seniors.
Great to see that all appointments don't have to come from the development set up.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 8, 2019 6:51:58 GMT
Absolutely superb appointment- did a great job with Laois and seems to be a really good tactician
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Post by buck02 on Oct 8, 2019 8:07:20 GMT
I flagged this on this forum a couple of months ago..great appointment You saw it on the Summer Talk thread first  Sensible appointment and an indication of the succession planning that is in place. |
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Post by tonydorigo on Oct 8, 2019 9:38:54 GMT
Great appointment but would wonder about the logistics given that that was the stated reason for stepping away from the Laois job.
Really like what he did with Laois as they are perennial underachievers given some of the talent they have. Seemed to have good buy in from all their squad.
Who does he have to work with next year and do we have the squad to win the elusive under 20s All Ireland?
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Post by crokes86 on Oct 8, 2019 12:13:34 GMT
Hard to know what to think. Jury still out.
Will be interesting to see who the selectors are.
Decent panel next year
Goalkeepers: Mark Kelliher Deividas Uosis Brian Lonergan
Devon Burns
Backs: Dylan Casey Luka Brosnan Dan McCarthy Owen Fitzgerald Gearóid Lyne Conor Flannery Dan Murphy Kieran O’Donoghue Mark Fitzgerald David Mangan Alan Dineen Sean O’Brien Fergal Barry Colm Moriarty David Shanahan
Midfield: Darragh Lyne Franz Sauerland Sean O’Connell
Joe Lenihan Ronan Collins Darragh Rahilly Dara Casey
Forwards: Paul O’Shea Patrick D’Arcy Killian Falvey Paul Walsh Donal O’Sullivan Jack Kennelly Sean Keane Jack O’Connor Dylan Geaney Tadhg Sugrue Mike Kelleher Daire Cleary Emmet O’Shea.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 13:06:47 GMT
Good and exciting appointment for Kerry. JS did a very impressive job with the South Kerry seniors and with Laois. I thought he might have been Kildare bound when he resigned in Laois but obviously the u20 job was in the offering. Laois was a good place to be but with bags of intercounty involvement with Kerry senior teams this is probably a step towards future Kerry senior management. This will freshen up the u20 setup in Kerry. Looking forward to seeing how he gets on, well I would think.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2019 13:55:41 GMT
I flagged this on this forum a couple of months ago..great appointment You saw it on the Summer Talk thread first Sensible appointment and an indication of the succession planning that is in place. what do you mean when you say succession planning. Do you mean he will be a contender to replace PK... albeit being based in Laois? Hopefully he will get the best out of the u20s next year. I realise its not easy given they are nearly away at college in Cork and Limerick and beyond...but the last three years were very disappointing. A farmers field near Limerick Junction might have to be commandered for training...on the train line from Tralee, Cork, Limerick and Laois! |
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Post by homerj on Oct 8, 2019 14:13:16 GMT
how long was he in laois and what did they achieve under him?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 15:33:50 GMT
how long was he in laois and what did they achieve under him? 2-3 seasons, successive NFL promotions from div 4-2, contesting the Leinster Final last year. Div 2, contesting the odd Leinster final is about the natural order of things in Laois. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 15:36:40 GMT
You saw it on the Summer Talk thread first Sensible appointment and an indication of the succession planning that is in place. what do you mean when you say succession planning. Do you mean he will be a contender to replace PK... albeit being based in Laois? Hopefully he will get the best out of the u20s next year. I realise its not easy given they are nearly away at college in Cork and Limerick and beyond...but the last three years were very disappointing. A farmers field near Limerick Junction might have to be commandered for training...on the train line from Tralee, Cork, Limerick and Laois! Throw MOC, SOS & DC into the mix over the last three years and JOC might have been the best thing since slice pan. Portlaoise to Tralee isn't a huge ordeal on good roads. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 8, 2019 16:20:02 GMT
how long was he in laois and what did they achieve under him? Had attacking tactics. |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2019 17:22:52 GMT
Its an important grade and hopefully John gets the best out of them.
He seems to be a shrewd operator with good people skills
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 8, 2019 19:24:54 GMT
Just looking at Laois's results in a bit of detail, during Sugure's time in charge.
In 2018 they got promoted from Division 4, with 6 wins (only played 6 games because of bad weather) a points difference of +31. They also won the Division 4 Final against Carlow.
In the 2018 Championship they beat Wexford (after extra-time) 2-21 to 1-18, then beat Westmeath 4-13 to 1-12 and Carlow 0-12 to 0-8 before losing in the Leinster final to Dublin 1-25 to 0-10. They then lost to Monaghan on a 1-11 to 0-19 scoreline.
In 2019 they got promoted from Division 3, with 5 wins and 2 losses and a points difference of +14. They lost the Division 3 game to Westmeath on a scoreline of 0-13 to 1-13
In the 2019 Championship they got revenge over Westmeath 0-12 to 0-10 in the first round of the Leinster championship before losing 3-13 to 0-11 to Meath. They beat Derry in the Derry 0-12 to 1-13 in the qualifiers and followed this with a 0-15 to 0-10 win over Offaly. They lost 4-20 to 1-15 to Cork.
Overall during his time in Laois, they played 25 and won 18.
The teams they lost to were Westmeath (twice), Louth, Dublin, Monaghan, Meath and Cork.
Talking to someone I know in Laois a while back after Sugure finished up with them and he was praising Sugure to the high heavens and was saying a shoddy County Board was the reason for him not signing up for another term.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 8, 2019 20:02:03 GMT
Just looking at Laois's results in a bit of detail, during Sugure's time in charge. In 2018 they got promoted from Division 4, with 6 wins (only played 6 games because of bad weather) a points difference of +31. They also won the Division 4 Final against Carlow. In the 2018 Championship they beat Wexford (after extra-time) 2-21 to 1-18, then beat Westmeath 4-13 to 1-12 and Carlow 0-12 to 0-8 before losing in the Leinster final to Dublin 1-25 to 0-10. They then lost to Monaghan on a 1-11 to 0-19 scoreline. In 2019 they got promoted from Division 3, with 5 wins and 2 losses and a points difference of +14. They lost the Division 3 game to Westmeath on a scoreline of 0-13 to 1-13 In the 2019 Championship they got revenge over Westmeath 0-12 to 0-10 in the first round of the Leinster championship before losing 3-13 to 0-11 to Meath. They beat Derry in the Derry 0-12 to 1-13 in the qualifiers and followed this with a 0-15 to 0-10 win over Offaly. They lost 4-20 to 1-15 to Cork. Overall during his time in Laois, they played 25 and won 18. The teams they lost to were Westmeath (twice), Louth, Dublin, Monaghan, Meath and Cork. Talking to someone I know in Laois a while back after Sugure finished up with them and he was praising Sugure to the high heavens and was saying a shoddy County Board was the reason for him not signing up for another term. I heard the same regarding the county board - word was that Sugrue went with a detailed plan for Laois for the next 2/3 years but county board were not up for it - Sugrue then walked. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 20:17:05 GMT
I found it very strange at the time that he left Laois after doing such good work there.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2019 20:37:02 GMT
Just looking at Laois's results in a bit of detail, during Sugure's time in charge. In 2018 they got promoted from Division 4, with 6 wins (only played 6 games because of bad weather) a points difference of +31. They also won the Division 4 Final against Carlow. In the 2018 Championship they beat Wexford (after extra-time) 2-21 to 1-18, then beat Westmeath 4-13 to 1-12 and Carlow 0-12 to 0-8 before losing in the Leinster final to Dublin 1-25 to 0-10. They then lost to Monaghan on a 1-11 to 0-19 scoreline. In 2019 they got promoted from Division 3, with 5 wins and 2 losses and a points difference of +14. They lost the Division 3 game to Westmeath on a scoreline of 0-13 to 1-13 In the 2019 Championship they got revenge over Westmeath 0-12 to 0-10 in the first round of the Leinster championship before losing 3-13 to 0-11 to Meath. They beat Derry in the Derry 0-12 to 1-13 in the qualifiers and followed this with a 0-15 to 0-10 win over Offaly. They lost 4-20 to 1-15 to Cork. Overall during his time in Laois, they played 25 and won 18. The teams they lost to were Westmeath (twice), Louth, Dublin, Monaghan, Meath and Cork. Talking to someone I know in Laois a while back after Sugure finished up with them and he was praising Sugure to the high heavens and was saying a shoddy County Board was the reason for him not signing up for another term. I heard the same regarding the county board - word was that Sugrue went with a detailed plan for Laois for the next 2/3 years but county board were not up for it - Sugrue then walked. It hard for Laois to develop both codes to a high level. The hurling seems to be the priority since Eddie Brennan took over |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 8, 2019 20:38:25 GMT
I found it very strange at the time that he left Laois after doing such good work there. I presumed he was going to Kildare. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 20:40:24 GMT
I heard the same regarding the county board - word was that Sugrue went with a detailed plan for Laois for the next 2/3 years but county board were not up for it - Sugrue then walked. It hard for Laois to develop both codes to a high level. The hurling seems to be the priority since Eddie Brennan took over Mick Dempsey might take on the footballers after finishing up with the Cats? |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2019 20:45:41 GMT
It hard for Laois to develop both codes to a high level. The hurling seems to be the priority since Eddie Brennan took over Mick Dempsey might take on the footballers after finishing up with the Cats? Jackie Tyrrell had massive praise for him in his book. Cody will miss him. |
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 9, 2019 7:31:46 GMT
Just looking at Laois's results in a bit of detail, during Sugure's time in charge. In 2018 they got promoted from Division 4, with 6 wins (only played 6 games because of bad weather) a points difference of +31. They also won the Division 4 Final against Carlow. In the 2018 Championship they beat Wexford (after extra-time) 2-21 to 1-18, then beat Westmeath 4-13 to 1-12 and Carlow 0-12 to 0-8 before losing in the Leinster final to Dublin 1-25 to 0-10. They then lost to Monaghan on a 1-11 to 0-19 scoreline. In 2019 they got promoted from Division 3, with 5 wins and 2 losses and a points difference of +14. They lost the Division 3 game to Westmeath on a scoreline of 0-13 to 1-13 In the 2019 Championship they got revenge over Westmeath 0-12 to 0-10 in the first round of the Leinster championship before losing 3-13 to 0-11 to Meath. They beat Derry in the Derry 0-12 to 1-13 in the qualifiers and followed this with a 0-15 to 0-10 win over Offaly. They lost 4-20 to 1-15 to Cork. Overall during his time in Laois, they played 25 and won 18. The teams they lost to were Westmeath (twice), Louth, Dublin, Monaghan, Meath and Cork. Talking to someone I know in Laois a while back after Sugure finished up with them and he was praising Sugure to the high heavens and was saying a shoddy County Board was the reason for him not signing up for another term. Excellent analysis. i think it is definitely a case of Laois giving priority to hurling. With the exception of Galway all counties where both codes are about equal hurling gets priority. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 9, 2019 7:50:59 GMT
Don't agree, Laois are a football county first and foremost. Good place for MQ to cut his teeth in intercounty management for a few seasons.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 9, 2019 14:12:14 GMT
Don't agree, Laois are a football county first and foremost. Good place for MQ to cut his teeth in intercounty management for a few seasons. You missed the point. I never said whether Laois is primarily a hurling or football county or what would be choice of the masses. I am merely saying that I think the reason John Sugrue walked is the result of an administrative decision by a handful of people in a locked room. |
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