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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 20, 2019 8:58:19 GMT
I agree. Tom on Mannion. He’ll bring Tom down the field which will put Tom in scoring positions. Jason isn’t close to strong enough for O’Callaghan. We saw what happened with McShane - even though it was open season on our full back line. Morley or Crowley on O’Callaghan. Again Kilkenny will be too physical for Paul. That hasn’t ended well for us in the past. Crowley needed there either instead of on O’Callaghan. I don't think Paul Murphy should come into consideration for the match up with Kilkenny, Howard or O'Callaghan. No offence to him, he has struggled against Kilkenny physically before and I think he will be targeted in match ups. He is probably best suited to Scully. Be interesting to see which way we go with the head to heads as that could be the making and breaking of us. In an ideal world I'd like Morley on Kilkenny but he will be needed elsewhere. Foley- Rock Morley- Con Tom Sull- Mannion Crowley- Kilkenny Murphy- Scully White- Howard I think Enright could be well utilised in the full back line before the close of play as well. Match ups are key but more importantly we need to get numbers back and not give up the easy scores from 20 yards that we did against Tyrone in the first half. I agree with all your match ups except White on Howard. Howard is one of their main kick out targets and I think he would be too physical for White. I would go with Sherwood on him.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 20, 2019 9:18:31 GMT
The member of the Dublin backroom team with responsibility for monitoring the Kerry GAA forum is going to have a busy week compiling who we think is going to mark who!
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Post by tonydorigo on Aug 20, 2019 10:06:43 GMT
I don't think Paul Murphy should come into consideration for the match up with Kilkenny, Howard or O'Callaghan. No offence to him, he has struggled against Kilkenny physically before and I think he will be targeted in match ups. He is probably best suited to Scully. Be interesting to see which way we go with the head to heads as that could be the making and breaking of us. In an ideal world I'd like Morley on Kilkenny but he will be needed elsewhere. Foley- Rock Morley- Con Tom Sull- Mannion Crowley- Kilkenny Murphy- Scully White- Howard I think Enright could be well utilised in the full back line before the close of play as well. Match ups are key but more importantly we need to get numbers back and not give up the easy scores from 20 yards that we did against Tyrone in the first half. I agree with all your match ups except White on Howard. Howard is one of their main kick out targets and I think he would be too physical for White. I would go with Sherwood on him. I know he doesn't match up particularly well with Howard but if we start worrying about all the possibilities then we are moving lads to suit different skills and attributes without letting our players beat them man to man. Don't think Sherwood should be an option at wing back as I don't think he would be a match for Howard on the ground. Would keep him as midfield option.
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Post by homerj on Aug 20, 2019 10:07:06 GMT
im hearing
killian young to start on Con. tommy walsh starting full back on kilkenny. Barry John Maguire Kelly is flying in training and Anthony Maher back on the panel and due to start midfield.
say nothing.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 20, 2019 10:20:42 GMT
im hearing killian young to start on Con. tommy walsh starting full back on kilkenny. Barry John Maguire Kelly is flying in training and Anthony Maher back on the panel and due to start midfield. say nothing. David Clifford is out.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 20, 2019 10:40:51 GMT
The member of the Dublin backroom team with responsibility for monitoring the Kerry GAA forum is going to have a busy week compiling who we think is going to mark who! Not to mention what Donald Trump, Leo Varadker and Pope Francis will think of what is being discussed on here
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 20, 2019 10:43:22 GMT
Our best man marker is Tom Sullivan. Their best forward in my opinion is Paul Mannion. It has to be Sullivan. I know O’Callaghan is very good also and got the goals against Mayo but Lee Keegan wasn’t at the races at all should never have been back there on him . He’s better out the field . He got burnt.
Dublin’s bench is very strong . When they start throwing the lights of Costello and McManamon and possibly Connolly on do we bring say Enright on for a specific job ? Who will pick them up ? Legs will be tired at that stage. Another reason I would start Spillane and Sherwood is Moran will need help . Dublin will definitely throw the running game at us early and test our defense.
Fenton and MacCauley will take turns making the runs from midfield . I think we designate Spillane and Sherwood for this job and they pick up one each and go with them. Another problem Kerry will have to deal with is Jack McCaffreys pace . His runs from deep . Would Stephen O’Brien be the man for this.
McCaffrey is dangerous on the attack and will cause problems for us . It’s important to nullify him or at least make it hard. Mayo did a decent job with that in the semi final.
Johnny Small doesn’t bother me going forward. I think he’s average enough player probably their weakest defender.
I think Johnny cooper and Cian Sullivan will be kept back to mind their house . I would keep Moran around midfield and push him up more forward. He’s a good longe range kicker . I think we’ll need range kicking in the final to beat them .
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Post by dc84 on Aug 20, 2019 10:59:50 GMT
Our best man marker is Tom Sullivan. Their best forward in my opinion is Paul Mannion. It has to be Sullivan. I know O’Callaghan is very good also and got the goals against Mayo but Lee Keegan wasn’t at the races at all should never have been back there on him . He’s better out the field . He got burnt. Dublin’s bench is very strong . When they start throwing the lights of Costello and McManamon and possibly Connolly on do we bring say Enright on for a specific job ? Who will pick them up ? Legs will be tired at that stage. Another reason I would start Spillane and Sherwood is Moran will need help . Dublin will definitely throw the running game at us early and test our defense. Fenton and MacCauley will take turns making the runs from midfield . I think we designate Spillane and Sherwood for this job and they pick up one each and go with them. Another problem Kerry will have to deal with is Jack McCaffreys pace . His runs from deep . Would Stephen O’Brien be the man for this. McCaffrey is dangerous on the attack and will cause problems for us . It’s important to nullify him or at least make it hard. Mayo did a decent job with that in the semi final. Johnny Small doesn’t bother me going forward. I think he’s average enough player probably their weakest defender. I think Johnny cooper and Cian Sullivan will be kept back to mind their house . I would keep Moran around midfield and push him up more forward. He’s a good longe range kicker . I think we’ll need range kicking in the final to beat them . Agree 're mannion he is the big dangerman and Tom is the man for him. Cian o Sullivan won't start I'd say it will be same as for dublin. Will they put Cooper on Clifford I wonder if they do we need to send in a few high ones Cooper is a great corner back but would be giving a few inches to Clifford I'd put him at 14 if that happens. If we go with beaglaoich/white at ten which seems to be Pks plan bringing geaney out they might be tempted to play o Sullivan alright and sweep around The d. Fitzsimons is not the most physically imposing player so should we look at isolating him and spillane I think killian could have a big impact here he is very direct and well able to win his own ball.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 20, 2019 11:31:39 GMT
If all Kerry do is worry about how to stop Dublin then this game is already over.
Get the match ups as close as possible for their main danger men, ensure everyone knows the game plan, but after that try and put our own stamp on the game. It’ll be the first time that we have the legs to match them and possibly even outlast them when you look at the age profile and mileage on the clock.
The pressure is on Dublin. Kerry are in bonus territory. 😉
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Post by a01bf4eb on Aug 20, 2019 11:41:41 GMT
I agree with all your match ups except White on Howard. Howard is one of their main kick out targets and I think he would be too physical for White. I would go with Sherwood on him. I know he doesn't match up particularly well with Howard but if we start worrying about all the possibilities then we are moving lads to suit different skills and attributes without letting our players beat them man to man. Don't think Sherwood should be an option at wing back as I don't think he would be a match for Howard on the ground. Would keep him as midfield option.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Aug 20, 2019 11:42:38 GMT
I agree with all your match ups except White on Howard. Howard is one of their main kick out targets and I think he would be too physical for White. I would go with Sherwood on him. I know he doesn't match up particularly well with Howard but if we start worrying about all the possibilities then we are moving lads to suit different skills and attributes without letting our players beat them man to man. Don't think Sherwood should be an option at wing back as I don't think he would be a match for Howard on the ground. Would keep him as midfield option.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Aug 20, 2019 11:58:30 GMT
Mannion and O'Callaghan are the two most dangerous forwards for Dublin imo. I would put Morley on Mannion as I think he matches up better physically and O'Sullivan matches up better physically with O'Callaghan, lower centre of gravity and slightly shorter. It will be intriguing to see how Kerry approach the game, will they try long direct balls in early or be more patient and try to hold onto the ball.. Will Dublin go for the jugular or try to suss Kerry out early as has been the trend so far this year. For what it's worth my match ups would be as follows:
- Morley on Mannion - Tom O'Sullivan on Con - Foley on Rock - Paul Murphy on Scully - Gavin Crowley on Kilkenny - Not sure on the 6th Kerry back but maybe Griffin as a left field call on Howard? Played well for a lot of the game in 2016 and if he doesn't try anything stupid on the ball he has the legs/physique/tenacity to follow Howard around the field. Howard is an excellent player but roams deeper and isn't a huge scoring threat
What do people feel will be Dublin's match ups?
I find it hard to fully judge some of their defenders one v one as they protect them so well from further afield but it will be interesting to see if Cian O'Sullivan is recalled for the big day.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 20, 2019 12:12:46 GMT
If all Kerry do is worry about how to stop Dublin then this game is already over. Get the match ups as close as possible for their main danger men, ensure everyone knows the game plan, but after that try and put our own stamp on the game. It’ll be the first time that we have the legs to match them and possibly even outlast them when you look at the age profile and mileage on the clock. The pressure is on Dublin. Kerry are in bonus territory. 😉 Ain't that the truth if you take a longer term view of it we have done amazing to be here with an average age of c.24/25 dublin are more like 27/28 (excluding goalies) serious achievement to even be there if we seriously put it up to them it bodes very well if we win, well it's 9ne of best ever all Ireland's up there with 1975 or 1997. Of course we don't do long term in kerry! On the pace issue do we play with four in the half back line with o beaglaoich/white dropping back and taking it in turns to break forward ? This takes serious communication and awareness by all defenders and midfielders for someone to be on the look out for a free man to mark when lads go attacking. As you say we have to play to our strengths while being aware of dublins what are our strenghts? 1. Speed we have serious pace Tom sull,white beaglaoich,foley,Murphy o brien and Sherwood are some of the quickest players in the game. 2. Kick passing we also have some of the best kickpassers in the game be that short or long 3.forwards we are the only team that could realistically say we have the forwards to match dublin Clifford,geaney,o Shea,o brien are all in all star form and we have a good variety of supporting cast spillane,Tomas o we, Walsh, burns,Moynihan,o brien,JOD are all very good players. 4. Youth while this can sometimes be a double edge sword we have the vibrancy and enthusiasm of youth, hopefully they will embrace the occasion and play with no fear. 5. Peter Keane , he is proving himself to be a very astute manager has got little wrong all year his match ups for the most part have worked and his in game management has impressed me. This is crucial in the final we need to not just react to dublin changes ie Connolly coming on but make changes that force them to do so that's why I wouldn't start Sherwood or Walsh we will need the impetuous they can give us. Sherwood in particular has made big differences when he has come on he thrives in the second half with his strong running and ball skills. I for one can't wait for this I think we will give it a serious crack, will it be good enough is the only question?
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Post by a01bf4eb on Aug 20, 2019 14:21:39 GMT
A potential starting 15:
1. Ryan 2. Tom O'Sullivan (O'Callaghan) 3. Morley (Mannion) 4. Foley (Rock) 5. Griffin (Howard) 6. Crowley (Kilkenny) 7. Murphy (Scully) 8. Moran (McCauley) 9. Spillane (Fenton) imo Kerry need 2 players to share the Fenton duty over 70 so J Barry to come on after 45/50 mins 10. O'Brien (Guessing Small) 11. O'Shea (Guessing McCarthy) 12. White (to pick up McCaffrey) 13. Clifford (Guessing Cooper) 14. Geaney (Guessing Fitzsimons) 15. Spillane (Probably Byrne) Debatable call but maybe start him and see how he goes, was very good v Donegal
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 20, 2019 14:31:59 GMT
Hard to see how Griffin would be ahead of either Brian Ó Beaglaoich or Shane Enright. Can't see how Jack Barry would be ahead of Sherwood either given how little football he has played. Perhaps Barry might be an option towards the very late stages of the game, if we are still in it, but Sherwood has to be close to either starting or coming in very early in second half. He has been a game changer for us. I don't see Barry bringing that.
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Post by augustafield on Aug 20, 2019 14:39:47 GMT
We seem to be overwrought with which of our players should mark the Dubs. We accept the Dubs are good and certain of their players are exceptional and need careful watching but some of our players ain’t half bad either and the Dubs won’t have come up against their likes in the past two years.
Good defence is obviously called for by us but let’s not go so negative that our plan is to stop them . The Dubs would love nothing more than Kerry sitting back and going all defensive but would hate nothing more than a pacy Kerry outfit running at them all day and stretching them to the sidelines.
Let’s do unto them what they have been doing for the past 4 years . Sure easier said than done but this is a good Kerry team , have received a good education in the League and the Championship thus far and have tasted success in different grades and whisper it are winners . They play for the Green and Gold and they play for each other and will be full of running after 75 / 80 minutes .
Their determination to beat Tyrone and their genuine delight at succeeding to have a crack for the All Ireland bodes well for their confidence . They are exactly where they want to be and PK and his comrades are not finished yet . The Dubs stand in the way and the Kerry focus must be on winning Sam not stopping the Dubs.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Aug 20, 2019 14:54:32 GMT
Hard to see how Griffin would be ahead of either Brian Ó Beaglaoich or Shane Enright. Can't see how Jack Barry would be ahead of Sherwood either given how little football he has played. Perhaps Barry might be an option towards the very late stages of the game, if we are still in it, but Sherwood has to be close to either starting or coming in very early in second half. He has been a game changer for us. I don't see Barry bringing that. I fully agree, I think Sherwood was very good against Donegal and especially against Tyrone. I think he will need to come on but I do think Fenton has to be marked throughout. I would bring on Sherwood but not to mark Fenton. Maybe in the half back line. Fair points on O'Beaglaoich and Enright. But against that I think one or two curve balls are bound to come from the team selection. O'Beaglaoich will have a big part to play even if not started. He looked excellent on the ball as the game went on the last day but still slightly small to take on Howard imo, if he starts I think he picks up Scully. Also agree with the sentiment that Kerry need to make Dublin worry about them, which they will, but the sense is that it will be largely man on man so match ups will be key. Gavin will be worrying about Kerry's forwards no question and rightfully so.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 20, 2019 15:08:33 GMT
Hey fellow hurlers on the ditch, I think our key focus will be on the ball and while like any team our fellas will need to know who their individual account is with, I'd be hoping that most of the transactions are the other way and it is them that are chasing us, and in any event they will also have a say in who marks who, and which will make for some initial heaves, a bit like a dance of old really, fellas eyeing up partners but the women had the final say!
Chattin to GAA folk outside the county a lot has me believing we can do it, and this is not people just being nice to us for the sake of it, or indeed succumbing to go for the underdogs.
I'm looking at our 15 names just above here and the talent is awesome, and then there is Tommy W, etc. Remember the points we have firing over this year, now we are Kerry of more Sams than anyone but would I be right in saying that we have scored better this year than any other year? Our long range pinpoint accuracy is as good as even our notable past heroes have given us, and I'm not meaning tom take from anyone here.
Dubs are to be respected and will be, but we must also respect ourselves and focus not on how we aren't goin to lose, but how we are goin to win - ball tactics, kick outs, turn over in coming traffic, moving ball from deep, are all our sharp shooters the same?, how we address Cluxs starts - ah then we can look at their tactics and which with all we have seen we must know a bit about - compare n contrast James McCarthy and Fenton, and say MDMcA - ye get the gist of the way I'm thinking here? Ah not tryin to direct things, not that an one would/could anyway, but just tryin to drive us on to the real issue, how we will win and which will be by scoring more?
And I trust PK & Co are doing this and scheming something that Gavin & Co can't cope with, and that is where we have the advantage as the Dubs have been on the road a long time so few enough secrets about them.
'Tis all on the day and our day it may well be!
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Post by oldschool on Aug 20, 2019 15:42:23 GMT
Kickouts Kickouts and Kickouts (at both ends of the field) Get this right and we are on equal footing
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Post by listowelemerrs on Aug 20, 2019 16:09:59 GMT
Seeing as the match ups are being discussed. I think O'Beaglaoich is best suited to Howard? Murphy on Scully. Crowley on Kilkenny. Morley on Con. Tom on Mannion. Foley on Rock. I’m sure Morley and Tom will be swapping. Would love to see tommy starting but to be honest I trust PK and the back room team to set up properly and they know best . They’ve been planning all year for this one.. PK is a serious smart operator. I’m confident.
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 20, 2019 17:10:06 GMT
I would definitely not start Griffin. He fouls away too much . Physically he’s fine but in a final like this against a team like Dublin. Frees with Rock on form would be handing them the All Ireland.
We’ll have to be really disciplined at the back to win. Overall it will take a huge performance from the backs and midfield to win this .
We have brilliant forwards and we will get the scores. To win it we’ll have to be perfect at the back. Fouling like griffin does will be unacceptable on a day like this.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 20, 2019 17:12:36 GMT
Combined Kerry Dublin 15 in my opinion:
Cluxton Cooper Morley O'Sullivan McCaffrey McCarthy Howard Fenton Moran Kilkenny O'Shea O'Brien Clifford Geaney Mannion
Dublin 8-7 Kerry
Extremely close which shows there is not a big gap in the quality of the players. We have some really top class players and I am very confident of a huge performance and I definitely would not rule out a Kerry win.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 20, 2019 17:53:55 GMT
Combined Kerry Dublin 15 in my opinion: Cluxton Cooper Morley O'Sullivan McCaffrey McCarthy Howard Fenton Moran Kilkenny O'Shea O'Brien Clifford Geaney Mannion Dublin 8-7 Kerry Extremely close which shows there is not a big gap in the quality of the players. We have some really top class players and I am very confident of a huge performance and I definitely would not rule out a Kerry win. O’Callaghan is on POTY form. He gets in before Kilkenny. Geaney needs a good final to merit a place in that team. But it’s just for fun I know! And the Dubs don’t rate Morley at all. I hope he proves them wrong!
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 20, 2019 18:25:31 GMT
We seem to be overwrought with which of our players should mark the Dubs. We accept the Dubs are good and certain of their players are exceptional and need careful watching but some of our players ain’t half bad either and the Dubs won’t have come up against their likes in the past two years. Good defence is obviously called for by us but let’s not go so negative that our plan is to stop them . The Dubs would love nothing more than Kerry sitting back and going all defensive but would hate nothing more than a pacy Kerry outfit running at them all day and stretching them to the sidelines. Let’s do unto them what they have been doing for the past 4 years . Sure easier said than done but this is a good Kerry team , have received a good education in the League and the Championship thus far and have tasted success in different grades and whisper it are winners . They play for the Green and Gold and they play for each other and will be full of running after 75 / 80 minutes . Their determination to beat Tyrone and their genuine delight at succeeding to have a crack for the All Ireland bodes well for their confidence . They are exactly where they want to be and PK and his comrades are not finished yet . The Dubs stand in the way and the Kerry focus must be on winning Sam not stopping the Dubs. Brilliant post! Love that sentence especially. Come on the Kingdom!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 20, 2019 18:41:20 GMT
Spotted that also at end of the semi-final. The sheer delight and energy from the players at the final whistle. Bodes well for the final. Week and a half to go, the players will be switching in now.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 20, 2019 19:47:42 GMT
Combined Kerry Dublin 15 in my opinion: Cluxton Cooper Morley O'Sullivan McCaffrey McCarthy Howard Fenton Moran Kilkenny O'Shea O'Brien Clifford Geaney Mannion Dublin 8-7 Kerry Extremely close which shows there is not a big gap in the quality of the players. We have some really top class players and I am very confident of a huge performance and I definitely would not rule out a Kerry win. O’Callaghan is on POTY form. He gets in before Kilkenny. Geaney needs a good final to merit a place in that team. But it’s just for fun I know! And the Dubs don’t rate Morley at all. I hope he proves them wrong! It's a team picked it on overall ability and long term form not who has performed the best this year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 20, 2019 20:05:19 GMT
On a different note what do you think of the after party in D2 on Harcourt St. It'll be very messy with coppers across the road
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Post by a01bf4eb on Aug 20, 2019 21:41:56 GMT
I would definitely not start Griffin. He fouls away too much . Physically he’s fine but in a final like this against a team like Dublin. Frees with Rock on form would be handing them the All Ireland. We’ll have to be really disciplined at the back to win. Overall it will take a huge performance from the backs and midfield to win this . We have brilliant forwards and we will get the scores. To win it we’ll have to be perfect at the back. Fouling like griffin does will be unacceptable on a day like this. Point accepted on Griffin. Kerry have 4 outstanding forwards, 2 of whom are in their prime, O'Shea and Clifford are young but rare gems who gained valuable experience this year and last. Kick outs are the key I think against Dublin. Enough hungry wolves to keep making the runs and keep fighting for their lives on breaking ball. Kerry have the legs this year without doubt to go to the wire. Probably the only team that truly believe they can beat Dublin in a final.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 20, 2019 21:45:55 GMT
anything to be learned from last years final
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Post by listowelemerrs on Aug 20, 2019 22:29:48 GMT
anything to be learned from last years final Do you have league match against Dublin this year down in Tralee?
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