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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2019 17:48:59 GMT
I like your thinking, I’d love a Kerry v Mayo final. It would certainly make for some interesting Dublin obituariesMy main argument for Dublin beating Mayo is that they are a good bit better than Mayo. They just have to go and prove it. Ruane looks a good addition, bit I think even Mayo fans would agree that he has a bit to go to be compared to Fenton, on the scoreboard or anywhere else. And yes, a loss would make for some interesting obituaries. On the other side of the coin, Dublin have a chance to retire some of these Mayo warriors on Saturday. Dublins two home games took away whatever small chance there was of Dubli having to play key players in Omagh. The unfairness is shockin yet you look forward to retiring the likes of Andy Moran on saturday. I would be embarrassed if i were a dub going into this game.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 7, 2019 17:53:41 GMT
Just watching reeling in the years on RTE. 1982.
How fitting
Didn't we beat Offaly the year before handy?
They came back the following year and broke our hearts.
Points to a THRONE win?
I hope I'm made look like an eegit Sunday. (Or even Saturday)💚🤣💛
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2019 18:19:52 GMT
By Declan Bogue Wednesday, August 07, 2019 - 05:40 AM Amazing the things you pick up while out and about.
On the sidelines of a club pith last weekend, a former Tyrone footballer let something slip.
This player in question would still be close to the action, close enough to hear the odd snatch of gossip in any case. He held that since Tyrone beat Cork in the second round of the Super 8s and therefore qualified for the All-Ireland semi-finals, the only thing they heard on the training ground was ‘Kerry, Kerry, Kerry.’
No mention of Dublin. Looking at last Sunday, that makes perfect sense.
Tyrone have been waiting on this one since July 20 and while Kerry are priced up as favourites, casting the mind back to the last Championship meeting between the two throws up enough evidence that the Ulster side can make it to their second consecutive All-Ireland final.
Kerry won the 2015 semi-final 0-18 to 1-11. Kerry were the better side, but Tyrone didn’t help themselves.
As the clock ticked onto the hour, Peter Harte’s penalty put one in it and two minutes after, Mark Bradley levelled the contest.
What happened next? Experience happened. Kerry hit the last four points.
Comparing the team sheets gives a sense of the transformation of both teams in the intervening four seasons.
Retirements have claimed Brendan Kealy, Marc Ó Sé, Anthony Maher, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper and captain Kieran Donaghy from the starting 15. Replacements Fionn Fitzgerald, Bryan Sheehan, Darran O’Sullivan, Aidan O’Mahony and Barry John Keane have also departed the scene.
Jonathan Lyne and Killian Young remain on the panel, but have drifted into the background as Éamonn Fitzmaurice began a process of transformation now superbly curated by Peter Keane.
The 2019 Kerry are exciting and dynamic, but they are raw too.
Even getting to the semi-final in 2015 was some achievement for a Tyrone side that were demoralised with a preliminary round defeat in Ballybofey to Donegal.
It was that defeat that forced Harte to entirely abandon the idea of defence for the sake of defence. From that moment, Tyrone remodelled their game and became a counter-attacking machine, Peter Harte, Tiernan McCann and Mattie Donnelly their Flying Column.
READ MORE Casey: ‘Look up resilience, you’ll find a photo of Mayo’
Something else happened that season. Peter Donnelly had been handed a role working with the underage players in Tyrone at the end of 2014. Such a prized asset was worth putting to work in the senior set-up and he began to oversee their physical transformation from the outset of the 2015 season.
At this stage with Donnelly’s work recognised enough for Ulster Rugby to swoop and claim him as soon as Tyrone’s run comes to an end this summer, his legacy is to be seen in the lean cheekbones and running power of Tyrone.
Such is the standards and records he keeps, that after the return of the team from their team holiday to Thailand in late December and early January, they underwent a series of athletic tests. Senior players confided that they were a full six weeks behind their readings the previous year, which may go some way to explaining their rotten showing in the opening league game, a 0-11 to 0-7 defeat to Kerry in Killarney.
From the 2015 game, only Cathal McCarron, Justin McMahon and Sean Cavanagh have retired from the starting line-up. Mark Bradley is on a year out while injuries have halted Ronan McNabb’s career.
A number of the 2015 All-Ireland winning Under-21 team were promoted to senior ranks. The likes of Paudie Hampsey, Ciaran McLaughlin, Michael Cassidy, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Frank Burns, Cathal McShane are now the dominant presence and have all been fast-tracked to grizzled veteran status with the help of Donnelly’s expertise.
Kerry have some of the finest young talents in the country. Sean O’Shea, Killian Spillane, David Clifford, Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White and so on will carry their team over the next decade. But they are coming up against an entirely different proposition this weekend when it comes to power.
One of the most undervalued metrics in predicting a game is the weather. In the 2015 semi-final, the rain lashed and it suited the more powerful, physically gifted side.
At this remove, the weather is predicting a fine and dry day in Dublin on Sunday.
The Tyrone panel will be doing several rain-dances around their Garvaghey Centre this week.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2019 18:57:29 GMT
By Eoghan Cormican Staff writer
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The Kerry defence has been worryingly devoid of leadership since the closing rounds of the league, according to former Kingdom footballer Seán O’Sullivan.
Ahead of the county’s All-Ireland semi-final meeting with Tyrone, O’Sullivan, who won four All-Ireland medals during his time in green and gold, says question marks remain over Peter Keane’s rearguard and the regularity at which teams are opening them up when attacking through the centre.
Kerry were taken for three goals in both the league final defeat to Mayo and provincial final win over Cork and while the Munster champions conceded just two goals across their three Super 8 outings, O’Sullivan is concerned at how no player is taking responsibility for organising their defensive shape when the opposition press forward.
“I don’t see them going for the kill early on against Tyrone because there are still a lot of question marks over our backs. They are going to need protection,” began O’Sullivan.
Since the league final, my biggest worry is where are our leaders back there? Where are our guys, and this was especially evident in the Munster final, shouting for the cover, marshalling it?
"If we want Gavin Crowley, Paul Murphy, and Tom Sullivan to get up the field on Sunday, where are our leaders at the back then, our communicators? Who is responsible for getting our setup in place if we lose the ball up the field? Are our two midfielders supposed to be doing it, is full-back Tadhg Morley or goalkeeper Shane Ryan supposed to be doing it?
“Going back to our time, Seamus Moynihan would be down our throat if he didn’t have people getting back behind the ball to cover. A lot of it is down to communication and a bit of leadership. They’re all gung-ho to get forward and that is great to see but where then is our cover. It has to come from either your two midfielders, your centre-back or full-back, they have to decide, ‘there are two guys gone forward here, so we have to cover’. That has been lacking.”
O’Sullivan, a regular in the Kerry half-forward line during the noughties, would like to see Rathmore’s Paul Murphy in the centre-back position as the county bid to reach a first All-Ireland final since 2015.
“Our biggest area is the centre of our defence, teams are working through the middle and next thing, they are in over our half-back line and there is no stopper. People refer to the fact we have no Peter Crowley. Peter wasn’t playing centre-back before he got injured, he was in the full-back line. Gavin Crowley was tried at six, I’m not sure he’s the answer. Paul Murphy was playing very well at centre-back in the league but was out on the wing for the Munster final.
Paul is not the biggest man as a stopper but maybe would control things a little better with his experience. We can’t allow Tyrone to run the ball through us. That is where Kerry need to step up.
"Protection in front of the full-back line when teams are breaking at us is the big question mark. The last day against Meath, there were times it was just too easy, even if we only conceded one.”
“Do they go back to what they were doing in the league where they set up defensively when they didn’t have the ball and just hope they have enough up front to win the game? I think that is what we’ll see on Sunday and we’ll have the forwards to get over the line.”
Cork’s success in unlocking the Tyrone system during the first-half of their Super 8 encounter, the Rebels led 2-5 to 0-4 at half-time, is a template Kerry would do well to follow this weekend, insisted O’Sullivan.
“Look at James Loughrey’s goal, that was a perfect example of how you breakdown Tyrone in getting that late runner coming off the shoulder and creating space. Tom Sullivan got a goal in the Munster final so he is well able to score, as is Paul Murphy and Gavin Crowley. They just have to be careful when up the field, Kerry have to be economical in that they are either scoring or killing the ball because the last thing you want is to be caught on the other side of a counter, which Tyrone are very good at.
“You’d be hoping if Kerry can bring what Cork did that we’d get in for scores. On the flip side, Tyrone will have learned from the Cork game. Harte won’t make the same mistake twice.”
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Post by dc84 on Aug 7, 2019 19:14:06 GMT
By Declan Bogue Wednesday, August 07, 2019 - 05:40 AM Amazing the things you pick up while out and about. On the sidelines of a club pith last weekend, a former Tyrone footballer let something slip. This player in question would still be close to the action, close enough to hear the odd snatch of gossip in any case. He held that since Tyrone beat Cork in the second round of the Super 8s and therefore qualified for the All-Ireland semi-finals, the only thing they heard on the training ground was ‘Kerry, Kerry, Kerry.’ No mention of Dublin. Looking at last Sunday, that makes perfect sense. Tyrone have been waiting on this one since July 20 and while Kerry are priced up as favourites, casting the mind back to the last Championship meeting between the two throws up enough evidence that the Ulster side can make it to their second consecutive All-Ireland final. Kerry won the 2015 semi-final 0-18 to 1-11. Kerry were the better side, but Tyrone didn’t help themselves. As the clock ticked onto the hour, Peter Harte’s penalty put one in it and two minutes after, Mark Bradley levelled the contest. What happened next? Experience happened. Kerry hit the last four points. Comparing the team sheets gives a sense of the transformation of both teams in the intervening four seasons. Retirements have claimed Brendan Kealy, Marc Ó Sé, Anthony Maher, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper and captain Kieran Donaghy from the starting 15. Replacements Fionn Fitzgerald, Bryan Sheehan, Darran O’Sullivan, Aidan O’Mahony and Barry John Keane have also departed the scene. Jonathan Lyne and Killian Young remain on the panel, but have drifted into the background as Éamonn Fitzmaurice began a process of transformation now superbly curated by Peter Keane. The 2019 Kerry are exciting and dynamic, but they are raw too. Even getting to the semi-final in 2015 was some achievement for a Tyrone side that were demoralised with a preliminary round defeat in Ballybofey to Donegal. It was that defeat that forced Harte to entirely abandon the idea of defence for the sake of defence. From that moment, Tyrone remodelled their game and became a counter-attacking machine, Peter Harte, Tiernan McCann and Mattie Donnelly their Flying Column. READ MORE Casey: ‘Look up resilience, you’ll find a photo of Mayo’ Something else happened that season. Peter Donnelly had been handed a role working with the underage players in Tyrone at the end of 2014. Such a prized asset was worth putting to work in the senior set-up and he began to oversee their physical transformation from the outset of the 2015 season. At this stage with Donnelly’s work recognised enough for Ulster Rugby to swoop and claim him as soon as Tyrone’s run comes to an end this summer, his legacy is to be seen in the lean cheekbones and running power of Tyrone. Such is the standards and records he keeps, that after the return of the team from their team holiday to Thailand in late December and early January, they underwent a series of athletic tests. Senior players confided that they were a full six weeks behind their readings the previous year, which may go some way to explaining their rotten showing in the opening league game, a 0-11 to 0-7 defeat to Kerry in Killarney. From the 2015 game, only Cathal McCarron, Justin McMahon and Sean Cavanagh have retired from the starting line-up. Mark Bradley is on a year out while injuries have halted Ronan McNabb’s career. A number of the 2015 All-Ireland winning Under-21 team were promoted to senior ranks. The likes of Paudie Hampsey, Ciaran McLaughlin, Michael Cassidy, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary, Frank Burns, Cathal McShane are now the dominant presence and have all been fast-tracked to grizzled veteran status with the help of Donnelly’s expertise. Kerry have some of the finest young talents in the country. Sean O’Shea, Killian Spillane, David Clifford, Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White and so on will carry their team over the next decade. But they are coming up against an entirely different proposition this weekend when it comes to power. One of the most undervalued metrics in predicting a game is the weather. In the 2015 semi-final, the rain lashed and it suited the more powerful, physically gifted side. At this remove, the weather is predicting a fine and dry day in Dublin on Sunday. The Tyrone panel will be doing several rain-dances around their Garvaghey Centre this week. Ulster football blah blah mythical managers training methods blah blah. Heard the same nonsense about Donegal and Stephen Rochford last week. It's a pity we don't have anyone as smart as Tyrone in charge of us 😉 Fair enough with the 2015 semi but our team is a lot better than it was then imo. The media are gas going on about kerry struggling against Tyrone like it's 2008. I am sure pk will have learnt from last week and leave Murphy to sweep in front of mcshane and donnelly. Do this and play smartly around cavanagh and we are half way there.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2019 19:16:01 GMT
Tyrone haven't beaten a top team this decade.
The question is: are Kerry a top team?
Also, to be fair, when is the last time Kerry won a game of this magnitude or even close to this magnitude in Croke Park.
2015?
I'd say 2014.
Up Kerry. I think they have too much football for Tyrone.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 7, 2019 19:19:41 GMT
I think we as supporters are fearful of Tyrone when it comes to championship and with good reason.
This bunch of players who are improving with every game have no such fear.
If this match was a league game in Killarney we would be expecting victory.
I don’t believe the fact that this is Championship and Croke Park venue should change this expectation.
We have a superb bunch of players at the moment and I believe we will beat Tyrone with a bit to spare.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2019 19:50:35 GMT
Tyrone haven't beaten a top team this decade. The question is: are Kerry a top team? Also, to be fair, when is the last time Kerry won a game of this magnitude or even close to this magnitude in Croke Park. 2015? I'd say 2014. Up Kerry. I think they have too much football for Tyrone. Its hard to locate a yardstick to judge where these teams are in relation to each other. Monaghan in 2018 were better than Kerry yet Tyrone beat Monaghan. Clearly, Kerry are better now in many respects not least on the sideline. The question that arises then is whether Tyrone have improved in 2019 over 2018. I have no idea if they have to be honest and I don't know what to expect on Sunday.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 7, 2019 20:38:17 GMT
We are regularly outnumbered by Tyrone fans when we play them in Croker. I expect this will be no different. Or maybe they are the ones now thinking of waiting for a final with the way they have gone through the qualifiers Any team news coming out? JOD still on the shelf? A Legion man I was talking to today said he'll be on the bench.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 7, 2019 20:38:30 GMT
Tyrone haven't beaten a top team this decade. The question is: are Kerry a top team? Also, to be fair, when is the last time Kerry won a game of this magnitude or even close to this magnitude in Croke Park. 2015? I'd say 2014. Up Kerry. I think they have too much football for Tyrone. Its hard to locate a yardstick to judge where these teams are in relation to each other. Monaghan in 2018 were better than Kerry yet Tyrone beat Monaghan. Clearly, Kerry are better now in many respects not least on the sideline. The question that arises then is whether Tyrone have improved in 2019 over 2018. I have no idea if they have to be honest and I don't know what to expect on Sunday. Have Tyrone beaten - in knockout this decade - Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Donegal?
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Post by brucewayne on Aug 7, 2019 21:18:09 GMT
Highlights from the Tyrone Dublin match this year in HQ for what its worth. Lots of fast early ball in, haven't seen the second half of the Tyrone Cork Super 8 match from last month but reports indicate something similar but not identical was applied in the second half when Mattie Donnelly was deployed inside.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 7, 2019 21:33:18 GMT
I find it hard to see anything other than a Kerry victory on Sunday.
Kerry’s form has been gradually improving since the Munster final win over Cork , a win that drew much criticism in various quarters with the concession of 3 goals; Seán Cavanagh was unimpressed & opined that if Kerry were in any other province but Munster “ they are not making the Super 8s right now”. However, the same accusation could be thrown at the Red Hands in relation to their performances in Group 2 - were they pitched into Group 1 instead of say Mayo, would they now be in a semi final? I think not - beating Roscommon & then Cork was a far easier proposition than having encounters with Kerry, Donegal & Meath. As unimpressive as Kerry were in Cavanagh’s estimation in the Munster final, it can also be said that his own county made equally hard work of disposing of the Rebels in round 2 before eventually winning by 3 points - they were not overly impressive either in round 1 vs Roscommon whilst last Sunday’s debacle in Omagh is best forgotten. Tyrone’s key men are Harte, McShane, Cavanagh & Donnelly - the key to advancing to an All Ireland final is in negating their influence & I think we have enough talent & class to do this - if we curb Donnelly & Harte in particular, we should be on our way. However, it will not be easy & we will need all of 21 players to do it - it will be intense, suffocating but if we play anywhere to near our potential then we should prevail. I would expect Enright to return to the defence, Clifford to resume @ 13 & the rest of the starters in Navan to hold their places for next Sunday.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 7, 2019 22:04:45 GMT
My main argument for Dublin beating Mayo is that they are a good bit better than Mayo. They just have to go and prove it. Ruane looks a good addition, bit I think even Mayo fans would agree that he has a bit to go to be compared to Fenton, on the scoreboard or anywhere else. And yes, a loss would make for some interesting obituaries. On the other side of the coin, Dublin have a chance to retire some of these Mayo warriors on Saturday. Dublins two home games took away whatever small chance there was of Dubli having to play key players in Omagh. The unfairness is shockin yet you look forward to retiring the likes of Andy Moran on saturday. I would be embarrassed if i were a dub going into this game. Yes, when you put it like that it’s a bit mad alright, you’d imagine if Kerry played played Mayo & Donegal in Killarney we’d have had 2 home wins and could play the B team away to Meath, have 2 weeks rest before the Semi which is in Killarney as well, win that and guess what we have the final again in Killarney. I wonder how many in a row we would have at this stage 🤫
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 7, 2019 22:16:27 GMT
I think we as supporters are fearful of Tyrone when it comes to championship and with good reason. This bunch of players who are improving with every game have no such fear. If this match was a league game in Killarney we would be expecting victory. I don’t believe the fact that this is Championship and Croke Park venue should change this expectation. We have a superb bunch of players at the moment and I believe we will beat Tyrone with a bit to spare. Tadhh , this team has put me to shame all year, in that I doubted their worth from the beginning of the season. I'm still on the fence as far as next weekend is concerned. I honestly thought we would need more time. BUT!! I suppose if you have younger fellas inside in training refusing to buckle, and the likes of Tommy G and Maurice around the place then those boys become men very quickly. I won't even mention PK because he has delivered in spades this year and more than deserves his stay in charge. TBH God only knows where we can go this year. With all the talk of our defence we are doing fine . Shane will start the next day for sure. Is there a better reader of the game this year? Rested the last day. I wasn't a huge fan of recycling the old crop but John Lyne is revitalised under Keane. Number 10 maybe? Jack Barry is back, Has to be gagging for it. BUT!! Jack you better be cos we need you Big Time. Killian Spillane will surely hold his place, James or no James. If I'm honest we should move on without him for this year. Too many fit and promising lads on the 26. Short kickouts the order of the day on Sunday with Barry and Moran outside for the alternative. If I keep doubting we might keep winning so Throne by 3 points. 💚💛💚
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 7, 2019 22:58:23 GMT
Dublins two home games took away whatever small chance there was of Dubli having to play key players in Omagh. The unfairness is shockin yet you look forward to retiring the likes of Andy Moran on saturday. I would be embarrassed if i were a dub going into this game. Yes, when you put it like that it’s a bit mad alright, you’d imagine if Kerry played played Mayo & Donegal in Killarney we’d have had 2 home wins and could play the B team away to Meath, have 2 weeks rest before the Semi which is in Killarney as well, win that and guess what we have the final again in Killarney. I wonder how many in a row we would have at this stage 🤫 Well you won 4 in a row playing about 15 games! Took Dublin about 28 so swings and roundabouts yeh!!!
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Post by Hicser on Aug 7, 2019 23:05:46 GMT
Yes, when you put it like that it’s a bit mad alright, you’d imagine if Kerry played played Mayo & Donegal in Killarney we’d have had 2 home wins and could play the B team away to Meath, have 2 weeks rest before the Semi which is in Killarney as well, win that and guess what we have the final again in Killarney. I wonder how many in a row we would have at this stage 🤫 Well you won 4 in a row playing about 15 games! Took Dublin about 28 so swings and roundabouts yeh!!! Yeh, a lot more practice games, 😉
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Post by Hicser on Aug 7, 2019 23:11:37 GMT
I find it hard to see anything other than a Kerry victory on Sunday. Kerry’s form has been gradually improving since the Munster final win over Cork , a win that drew much criticism in various quarters with the concession of 3 goals; Seán Cavanagh was unimpressed & opined that if Kerry were in any other province but Munster “ they are not making the Super 8s right now”. However, the same accusation could be thrown at the Red Hands in relation to their performances in Group 2 - were they pitched into Group 1 instead of say Mayo, would they now be in a semi final? I think not - beating Roscommon & then Cork was a far easier proposition than having encounters with Kerry, Donegal & Meath. As unimpressive as Kerry were in Cavanagh’s estimation in the Munster final, it can also be said that his own county made equally hard work of disposing of the Rebels in round 2 before eventually winning by 3 points - they were not overly impressive either in round 1 vs Roscommon whilst last Sunday’s debacle in Omagh is best forgotten. Tyrone’s key men are Harte, McShane, Cavanagh & Donnelly - the key to advancing to an All Ireland final is in negating their influence & I think we have enough talent & class to do this - if we curb Donnelly & Harte in particular, we should be on our way. However, it will not be easy & we will need all of 21 players to do it - it will be intense, suffocating but if we play anywhere to near our potential then we should prevail. I would expect Enright to return to the defence, Clifford to resume @ 13 & the rest of the starters in Navan to hold their places for next Sunday. Cavanagh seems to have disappeared from RTE, I’m not sure he gave a good account of himself. In fairness to the Kerry pundits they are fair and hide their bias. I agree with all above. If our defense tightens up like the Mayo game I think we should win with close to 5 points,
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Post by peanuts on Aug 7, 2019 23:49:29 GMT
I’d be very hopeful of a Kerry win on Sunday but a bit worried about the fact that most of this Kerry team haven’t experienced a defensive outfit in such a big game. It will be a big test for them but one I think they are capable of passing.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 8, 2019 6:10:10 GMT
I’m a bit apprehensive about next Sunday mostly because of past history and a bit because of living up here. But that will be irrelevant to our young team. They will respect Tyrone but will not fear them. Tyrone on the other hand neither fear nor respect us and that could well be their downfall. This year we have already beaten all the other teams left standing and everyone else we encountered bar one - Donegal. Very cruel on Donegal who are probably a better team than Tyrone and a single point against us would have seen them through. But We stood up to Donegal and are capable of doing likewise and more against their Ulster neighbours. And if we lose we lose. Back to the drawing board with plenty of fuel in the tank for 2020. But we shouldn’t lose. Tyrone won’t beat Dublin in a Final or even Mayo if that should come to pass. We should beat the latter and have some chance with the former.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 8, 2019 8:00:15 GMT
Yes, when you put it like that it’s a bit mad alright, you’d imagine if Kerry played played Mayo & Donegal in Killarney we’d have had 2 home wins and could play the B team away to Meath, have 2 weeks rest before the Semi which is in Killarney as well, win that and guess what we have the final again in Killarney. I wonder how many in a row we would have at this stage 🤫 Well you won 4 in a row playing about 15 games! Took Dublin about 28 so swings and roundabouts yeh!!! I for one will put ye above the Golden Years team if ye do the 5 in a row. However, if ye don't, ye will have to wait, imo, for an 8th AI (5+ players) to match them, and a 9th AI (for X players at least) to be their betters.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2019 8:20:30 GMT
To be fair to Sean Cavanagh, in the process of giving his views on Kerrys weakenesses, I cant recall him saying that Tyrone are better than Kerry.
Tyrone over the past five years remind me of KK in hurling over the past 3 years.... competitive in every game and playing to their potential....beating the teams they are better than and coming up short against better ones.
In 2015 to 2016, it was Kerry, Mayo and Dublin that put a halt to their gallop.
Mayo beat them by a point i think.
So Tyrone will come and play to their potential.
Kerry had poor spells against Clare, Cork and Meath but not against Donegal and Mayo although Mayo were clearly out on their feet.
Do Tyrone have enough scoring power is the question if they get into enough scoring positions to put scores on the board?
Can Tyrone match Kerrys subs if it cones down to the last 10 minutes plus 6 minutes of stoppage time?
My gut says no to these two questions but not with a great degree of confidence.
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Post by glengael on Aug 8, 2019 9:37:28 GMT
Just watching reeling in the years on RTE. 1982. How fitting Didn't we beat Offaly the year before handy? They came back the following year and broke our hearts. Points to a THRONE win? I hope I'm made look like an eegit Sunday. (Or even Saturday)💚🤣💛 in my memory we beat Offaly in 1980 semi-final, high scoring shoot out, Matt Connor scored 2-9. We beat them again in 81 Final, not handy at all. My memory is it took Jacko's goal to tip the scales. Offaly's progress was gradual but progress it was and they finally made it the following year. To present times, I see it is more than likely to be wet in Dublin on Sunday. I wonder who that will suit best. I presume the team will be announced tomorrow night as usual.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 8, 2019 9:38:57 GMT
Let us not forget who won the golf up in Portrush.
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Post by augustafield on Aug 8, 2019 10:17:57 GMT
I think it fair to say that of all the Championship matches played this year by Kerry , the greater intensity and passion was displayed by us against Mayo in Killarney . Not only did we owe Mayo but losing that match would have put us on the back foot for the remainder of the group games. The subsequent match against Donegal was really of little importance as Meath were everybody’s whipping boys by that stage and we weren’t in any danger of losing to them.
Now Sunday’s match is the next time we need to display the Killarney passion and fire . And if Tyrone had us in mind at this stage of the Championship no doubt PK and his team had similar notions about them .
Tyrone have no time for us no respect where Kerry football is concerned and Sean Cavanagh with his contemptuous remarks typifies that attitude .
The green and gold is being worn with respect and honour by our new footballers and their endeavours and body language in showing for the ball and wanting to be involved bodes well for the future . A concern I have however is that Sean O Shea and David Clifford are going to come in for some harsh treatment - as indeed they both have in the recent past - with Referees ignoring the incidents . To a lesser extent Steven O Brien and Killian Spillane may well be targeted .
We all remember how Gooch was eye gouged by Tyrone with , to our eternal shame , no response by his teammates in coming to his assistance . It was unbelievable that Kerry players stood back that day and left Tyrone “ at it “. That must not be repeated on Sunday . Don’t for a minute doubt that Tyrone will try early and often to get into Kerry faces and to rattle our cage as that’s their modus operandi . Remember the treatment meted out to Darren O Sullivan in the minor final those years ago .? Such incidents might disrupt and distract the Kerry focus but being bullied is not an option . “ One in all in “ should be the catch cry .
I have a feeling about this particular Kerry outfit . They throw off good vibes . Young and still learning I know but confident and competent . Sunday with all the attendant pressures an All Ireland semi final brings - and in particular this opposition - will be their first serious test and they will not be found wanting.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2019 10:46:16 GMT
the current Tyrone team are very clean.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 8, 2019 11:17:14 GMT
the current Tyrone team are very clean. Oh Yea. Wait for it.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 8, 2019 11:20:30 GMT
I think two things will influence the outcome of this game 1. Kickout strategy 2. Referee's ability or willingness to tackle off the ball incidents
Check in with me here on Monday to let me know if I'm right.
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 8, 2019 11:29:16 GMT
Kickouts are vital in this game, we need to get possession into players with space, or else we'll get swarmed in the tackle. Like wise going forward we can't let them choke our players on the ball so we have to move it quick and be patient. Maurice Deegan was the referee in 2015 like he is on Sunday so maybe that's a good omen, he isn't the worst ref on the referee's panel.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 8, 2019 11:39:02 GMT
We have had 2 really big tests this year against top quality opposition in mayo and Donegal both of which we passed or at least didn't fail. Whereas Tyrone only had the one which they failed fairly badly against Donegal. Discounting last Sunday vs dublin , they have played well vs Cavan (busted flush after Ulster final) kildare and for ten or so minutes against cork hardly a frightening resume so far.
Having said that they are a good team with some players who can really cause us trouble in harte ,mcshane and donnelly big athletic ball carriers. You would assume they will put hampsey on Clifford perhaps with a designed sweeper along with cavanagh detailed. Would it be an idea to pull Clifford to 11 and keep geaney and spillane inside? A curve ball like The aif in 2014?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 8, 2019 11:42:01 GMT
It was said above.
Tyrone beat all the teams they should beat and never beat the teams they should not.
A slightly better Kildare in other words (well up to N or N) - incredibly consistent.
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