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Post by rollingstone on Jul 4, 2020 8:23:59 GMT
As if f**kin' Bill Gates said 1 in 10,000 people would die from a vaccine. What a load of twaddle. Dismissing experts at one brush yet believing faithfully any spook who says rubbish like this. Why are you getting so vexed about this? Why are you unable to discuss this issue sensibly like a grown up? There are many differing and opposing views on here but everyone is hearing each other out and I am taking lot from the discussion even where I disagree. My post contained far more points in it than just Bill Gates but you don't address those. What do you think about about 65%+ of COVID19 deaths in this country being in care homes after sick elderly patients were moved from hospitals into them? The point being made is that Gates is everywhere on this subject and talking as if he is a medical expert, not only this, he is given unprecedented airtime world wide to do so. The point of journalism (in years gone by anyway) was to hold government and the likes of Gates to account yet he is never challenged on his baffling statements and Bond villain like ideas. He has no medical qualifications, only money to fund every health related NGO on the planet. Unfortunately his view point is given a lot more credibility than it deserves and is heard the world over - will it kill 1 in 10,000 people? Based on my several years of research into the subject I suspect it will be worse than that but that is my opinion. The further point being made which you overlook is that if he is telling us that the whole world must take this vaccine, that will likely kill a not insignificant number of people and that the manufacturers of them must be indemnified - what do you have to say on that? This is a much bigger subject than Bill Gates. Why don't you try and constructively criticise what is said for a change with some evidence and we'll discuss it? I disagree with Bally for the most part on this subject but his last post hit the nail on the head - there is so much BS out there it really is hard for people to decipher what information they should rely on. I am no smarter than anyone else but my job entails a lot of research so I am that way inclined to start with but most people are not and relay on the news for their information. When that news is populated with the likes of Gates and Luke O'Neill with no disclosure then someone needs to call it out for what it is. At best it's a serious conflict of interest at worst it's open corruption of science.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2020 8:32:47 GMT
As if f**kin' Bill Gates said 1 in 10,000 people would die from a vaccine. What a load of twaddle. Dismissing experts at one brush yet believing faithfully any spook who says rubbish like this. Why are you getting so vexed about this? Why are you unable to discuss this issue sensibly like a grown up? There are many differing and opposing views on here but everyone is hearing each other out and I am taking lot from the discussion even where I disagree. My post contained far more points in it than just Bill Gates but you don't address those. What do you think about about 65%+ of COVID19 deaths in this country being in care homes after sick elderly patients were moved from hospitals into them? The point being made is that Gates is everywhere on this subject and talking as if he is a medical expert, not only this, he is given unprecedented airtime world wide to do so. The point of journalism (in years gone by anyway) was to hold government and the likes of Gates to account yet he is never challenged on his baffling statements and Bond villain like ideas. He has no medical qualifications, only money to fund every health related NGO on the planet. Unfortunately his view point is given a lot more credibility than it deserves and is heard the world over - will it kill 1 in 10,000 people? Based on my several years of research into the subject I suspect it will be worse than that but that is my opinion. The further point being made which you overlook is that if he is telling us that the whole world must take this vaccine, that will likely kill a not insignificant number of people and that the manufacturers of them must be indemnified - what do you have to say on that? This is a much bigger subject than Bill Gates. Why don't you try and constructively criticise what is said for a change with some evidence and we'll discuss it? I disagree with Bally for the most part on this subject but his last post hit the nail on the head - there is so much BS out there it really is hard for people to decipher what information they should rely on. I am no smarter than anyone else but my job entails a lot of research so I am that way inclined to start with but most people are not and relay on the news for their information. When that news is populated with the likes of Gates and Luke O'Neill with no disclosure then someone needs to call it out for what it is. At best it's a serious conflict of interest at worst it's open corruption of science. I can use my words however I want and I am using my words to say it is complete bull* to say Bill Gates said vacciness could kill 700,000 or whatever. That was a central plank in your argument to not take a vaccine. And it was a lie. And I am vexed because the lies that people like you spread end up harming people.
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Post by mandad on Jul 4, 2020 10:48:34 GMT
I think that everyone on here has had a fair shake in robustly expressing their opinions, theories, or logic that may only serve in furthering fear or confusion.
Time to cut back on the sugar intake, put down the stones, and to stop breaking the windows. The reality is that at the end of the game, the pawn and the king both go into the same box - we are all in this together.
It may seem trifling to mention, but, when Peter (the other one) eventually calls me to account, I will say with a straight face “For Lent 2020, I gave up my life’s great love, sport.” We all did, even the agnostics. That should impress him!
Covid, or more accurately, our reaction to it, is creating an atomised world where we communicate through online gadgets, avoid human contact, and fearfully creep around the shops in our masks, dutifully following the arrows.
We have a long way to go yet and the virus cannot be beaten by slogans or lies or clapping. Politics can change quite quickly due to revelations and events. I believe people need to be realistic and understand that a risk assessment is not the same as total risk avoidance; we can only try to manage and mitigate it. I believe in personal liberties generally but when community health is at risk there has to be an enforceable ‘captain's call.’
I will carry on and I take responsibility for my own actions. I wear a mask when out and carry, and use hand gel. I have socially distanced and, apart from essential grocery shopping, I have not been anywhere. Because that is my responsibility.
Take it easy.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 4, 2020 10:51:51 GMT
At any rate nobody here should complain if the topic is confined to GAA.
Kerry GAA has a very proud history of divided people uniting under that one cause.
I am not helping one bit by also talking about these matters, as in contradiction I don't think these matters belong on this forum at all.
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Post by veteran on Jul 4, 2020 10:56:32 GMT
Is it conceivable that the cat is slowly emerging out of the official bag? There are some of us, a minority presumably, who have felt that for some time there is something unholy about the mortality statistics pertaining to the Chinese Communist Party with which we are being bombarded day after day. We wondered whether the 1700 plus recorded deaths reflected people dying from the virus or whether some of these deaths were due to another cause in whom the virus was an incidental finding. Night after night, RTE news gave us these figures as faithfully and as boringly and as uncritically as they give us the weather forecast. Distressingly for some , unsurprisingly for the more cynical, HIQA yesterday shone some light into the dark machinations of our supposed betters. Yes, it appears that the 1700 plus figure is not telling us what it was supposed to tell us, that it represented the actual number dying from this cursed virus. HIQA now seem to tell us that this figure represents the number of people dying from/with the disease as opposed to the number dying from the disease. They suggest that the true mortality is likely to be five hundred less. I repeat, five hundred less. Believe it or believe it not.
We had George Lee on the RTE last night baffling us with inanities , concluding that the figures discrepancy really is of little importance after witnessing the suffering of people from the virus as revealed on a recent TV programme. More obfuscation. The suffering of these unfortunate people has nothing to do with the astronomical figures discrepancy. Nothing at all.
On a radio programme yesterday, I heard another apologist for the experts telling us they were merely following orders handed down from that unimpeachable fountain of wisdom and proper science, the WHO. The advice seemed to be that they could be promiscuous with mortality figures, if there was a hint of the virus being present then that death could be properly recorded as a corona virus death. How about that for science?
Of course this slipshod recording of mortality is not confined to Ireland. It begs the question, if the mortality rate is spurious what about the number of cases who are alleged to have the virus. Room for spurious figures there, apart from any massaging of data- false , positives, false negatives and above all faulty test kits. We do know that, for instance, Germany and Spain returned consignments of faulty test kits to China. It is unlikely that poor Ireland got all the proper test kits, perhaps we did but--.
The puzzling question is , why are we being fed a diet of lies and half truths? I am unable to answer that. Perhaps reading this contribution there maybe- prophets, soothsayers, philosophers, wise men, wise women, mystics, shamans, three card trick men, fortune tellers etc who may be able to answer the riddle I have posed. While all you good folk are contemplating this conundrum, perhaps you could address the following also. A wise man, it may have been a wise woman, there was a good deal of wisdom involved in any case, said at one time that it is easier to fool some people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. An extraordinary observation if it carries any weight.
My experience of this unfortunate episode in our medical history is that too many experts/scientists are vague, cocksure and self contradictory, too many of them very good at engendering fear. Those are traits I expect to find in the man in the street. Am I entitled to expect more from scientists/experts? Truth at a minimum, please.
P.S. Kerryguy, like you I hope that football will return to this forum in the future. Sadly, at present, we are left with no option but to discuss the malady which caused this dearth of football activity.
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Post by rollingstone on Jul 4, 2020 11:31:41 GMT
At any rate nobody here should complain if the topic is confined to GAA. Kerry GAA has a very proud history of divided people uniting under that one cause. I am not helping one bit by also talking about these matters, as in contradiction I don't think these matters belong on this forum at all. It is a GAA forum absolutely but we are playing no GAA for these very reasons. Enough of Gates as you clearly have your mind made up but there are countless videos of him on You Tube and elsewhere where he has made some of the most worrying and unchallenged statements I have ever heard. Again you do not address any other points raised, use your words how you like but they don't count for much in an adult discussion when you are so dismissive. As you seem to take issue with everything I say, here is some more evidence that the whole thing has been misrepresented. This, unbelievably, is a Tweet direct from Varadkar. I am stunned he has the gall to put it in writing but am sadly unsurprised at what he has said. The whole manner in which the data has been recorded has been a farce from the start. Here is the link "Interesting but not a surprise. In Ireland we counted all deaths, in all settings, suspected cases even when no lab test was done, and included people with underlying terminal illnesses who died with Covid but not of it." He is openly admitting that they have deliberately inflated the numbers - will he be called to account for his lies? They never are I'm afraid. Across the water in the UK in April they started counting COVID19 deaths where COVID19 was "mentioned" in the death – what does “mentioned” mean in a scientific context? If you don't believe me Annascaul then go onto the Office of National Statistics website and you will see that in black and white yourself. At the end of April they then started to count COVID19 deaths in suspected cases where no test had been done and no autopsy – you wouldn’t get away with suggesting that in Junior cert experiment. This was irrespective of the fact that 90%+ of the deaths were in those with at least one (and often more) serious co-morbidities. Instead of two doctors being required to sign off on cause of death it was cut to one. This is all in black and white if you look for it. Another point I noticed yesterday was in this RTE article www.rte.ie/news/2020/0703/1151245-covid-gardai-compliance/ - note the very threatening language in the second last paragraph where it states: “In addition, under liquor licensing laws, a licensed premises requires a declaration of suitability from a member of An Garda Síochána in order for its liquor license to be renewed.” I wonder have the police lost the run of themselves? The pubs and restaurants guidance is just that, guidance and not law. Why the police seem to think they have authority to police this is beyond me. A police state is a state where the police follows political orders, not the law. Gardai have no business being the enforcers of COVID19 guidelines. Go out and do some proper policing and leave ordinary folk trying to make an honest living alone.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 4, 2020 15:21:03 GMT
If someone has a loved one on immonosuppressants and consequently in mortal danger should they contract this virus they will feel like they living in a world where there is a sniper at work doing their dastardly acts.
The images from Italy were not fake news in March as army trucks queued up to ferry the dead from hospitals.
Someone once said that "when the facts change, i will change my mind". Maybe thats all thats happening with the whole "wearing of masks" thing.
As someone who has stood on crammed trains to work and has someone sneeze on top of me, it seems to me that wearing masks in such situations makes sense.
I am now realising that there may be no "post covid19" world. There may be no vaccine and people may get reinfected as they may have no anti bodies from the first edisode.
I also realise that the economy must reopen as at the moment we are mainly suviving on about a dozen tech companies.
So the question moves to how will sport and the GAA operate in this new normal.
It will probably mean those most at risk must live the life of a hermit while the rest get on with life and take their chances.
Teams forfeiting matches because the whole panel are self isolating may be common place.
I also think that a more bespoke approach will be needed as regards dealing with the outbreaks. Less populated rural areas are not in the same risk category as high rise apartments in a city.
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Post by veteran on Jul 4, 2020 18:57:20 GMT
The “facts “ are changing certainly or more accurately they are being brought into clear sight. Indisputably, “facts”are metamorphosing into facts regarding the true mortality rate from this virus. The hope is that some people will be less supine now in the face of pronouncements from their “betters” .
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Post by sandradee on Jul 4, 2020 21:22:59 GMT
If someone has a loved one on immonosuppressants and consequently in mortal danger should they contract this virus they will feel like they living in a world where there is a sniper at work doing their dastardly acts. The images from Italy were not fake news in March as army trucks queued up to ferry the dead from hospitals.
Someone once said that "when the facts change, i will change my mind". Maybe thats all thats happening with the whole "wearing of masks" thing. As someone who has stood on crammed trains to work and has someone sneeze on top of me, it seems to me that wearing masks in such situations makes sense. I am now realising that there may be no "post covid19" world. There may be no vaccine and people may get reinfected as they may have no anti bodies from the first edisode. I also realise that the economy must reopen as at the moment we are mainly suviving on about a dozen tech companies. So the question moves to how will sport and the GAA operate in this new normal. It will probably mean those most at risk must live the life of a hermit while the rest get on with life and take their chances. Teams forfeiting matches because the whole panel are self isolating may be common place. I also think that a more bespoke approach will be needed as regards dealing with the outbreaks. Less populated rural areas are not in the same risk category as high rise apartments in a city. On the contrary it is becoming more evident that the COVID-19 related deaths in Italy could indeed be fake news. Keep in mind that Italy has the second oldest population in the world next to Japan. The following is an article from renowned Investigative Journalist, Jon Rappoport of nomorefakenews.com fame.
Add in the highly inaccurate PCR testing along with the placement of patients on mechanical ventilators which in its own right can be a death sentence. “ DEATHS IN ITALY: I have reported on this con in the past. Italy’s own National Institute of Health has been combing through the records of patients who have died. Their average age? 79.5. And the overwhelming percentage of these people were already suffering from multiple, long-term, serious health conditions—and had certainly been treated with a number of toxic medical drugs. Claiming their deaths stemmed from the purported COVID-19 virus would be absurd.
Add to these facts the horrendous air pollution in areas of Northern Italy. Toxic air can easily explain the lung conditions attributed to the virus.
In recent years, the annual number of flu cases in Italy averages roughly five million. It’s a simple matter to label some of these people COVID-19.
I’ve also indicated that vaccination campaigns could account for destruction of health in Northern Italy. I have a few possible clues in that regard.
Colorado Naturopathic Doctor, Michael Murray writes: “Could a new flu vaccine be partly responsible for the COVID-19 mortality rate in Italy?…My colleague, Dr. Alex Vazquez, provided me with a valuable insight. In September 2019, Italy rolled out an entirely new type of influenza vaccine. This vaccine called VIQCC is different than others. Most available influenza vaccines are produced in embryonated chicken eggs. VIQCC, however, is produced from cultured animal cells rather than eggs and has more of a ‘boost’ to the immune system as a result. VIQCC also contains four types of viruses – 2 type A viruses (H1N1 and H3N2) and 2 type B viruses…”
Well-known Italian writer, Br. Alexis Bugnolo, states: “Italians are still trying to understand why Bergamo, of all the cities of Italy, is the epicenter of the Coronavirus epidemic…”
“One factor may be that the city was vaccinated en mass not once, but twice, in the 2 months preceding the Coronavirus outbreak in the city.”
In the fall [2019], according to records 141,000 doses of vaccine against the winter flu were administered by the local health board. Of those, 129,000 were Italians over 65 years of age. Of those, 129,000, 70% had grave heart problems.”
“Then, again, in December, from the 24th through to January, there was a mass vaccination program against Hepatitis-C of 21,331 citizens of Bergamo. And in the surrounding province, another 12,000 citizens.”
At doctorsinitaly.com: “In September 2019 was made available for the first time in Italy a ‘cell-based’ flu shot, called VIQCC or QIVc, that is produced from cultured animal cells rather than eggs.”
“VIQCC is a quadrivalent flu vaccine that contains 2 type A viruses (H1N1 and H3N2) and 2 type B viruses. It is approved for people ages 9 and older.”
ANY vaccines given to people whose immune systems are already weakened—such as the elderly and infirm—are automatically dangerous and life-threatening at a high level. Two vaccines within the space of a few months, one of which has added new viral material and/or a variety of new cellular and genetic debris—plus the usual toxic chemicals—and you have a potential recipe for disaster”.
SOURCES: * Dr. Murray* Jon Rappoport
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Post by sandradee on Jul 5, 2020 0:18:54 GMT
Obviously you did not read any of the comments, Jon received massive support as well he should. Very doubtful you even heard of him before my post, did a lazy Google search and found something that fitted your agenda. Try doing a search on Mother Teresa and see what you come up with. You will find something negative on many well known figures and always on those that question the status quo.
Unfortunately attacking the messenger, in this instance Jon Rappoport, is a typical response from those unable to debate the issue.
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Post by rollingstone on Jul 5, 2020 9:20:58 GMT
Mickmack - I too was very interested in the stats in Italy as they were very alarming so in April I looked it into. I found a number of articles online where reviews had been done and the findings were very interesting, can't remember every detail exactly but the following is the gist of it. As Sandradee says, Italy is one of the oldest populations in the world, it's average age is mid to late 40s whereas the US and China are mid to late 30s for example and the average age of death was 82 or 83. The Lombardy region where the outbreak was concentrated is one of the most polluted regions in Europe obviously contributing to respiratory risk. I did read a number of points on a very high rate of smokers in the region too but I couldn’t verify that fact myself so seems more anecdotal. 90+% had one co-morbidity, around 80% had two and 60% had three - this was not a young healthy population who passed unfortunately, in fact it was a very old and sick one. Another very interesting statistics that was given little to no airtime is that around 100,000 Chinese live in and around Milan (in the Lombardy region), apparently one of the largest concentrations outside of Italy. Chinese New Year was in January 2020 and they have now established that COVID19 was in the population then as opposed to March. And as with everywhere else, serious criticism has been levelled at the collection of data – in those articles, one of Italy’s highest ranking health officials denounced the inclusion of those dying with COVID19 as opposed to of it whilst ignoring the serious co-morbidities noted above. Another very sad part of this was that footage was used of bodies in a morgue which was subsequently found to be from a completely different country but used for effect in Italy. Substantial numbers of people did die of course, I am not questioning that but some context should be applied to what happened there.
What is not spoken enough about is what has happened in Sweden. No forced lockdown (just recommendations and treating the population like adults) but a death rate below the UK, Italy, Belgium and Spain, all of which locked down very hard. It has been noticeable in recent weeks the media’s determination to denigrate Sweden’s actions by constant reference to its death rate over the last 7 days being the highest in the world – this has happened for a very few number of individual weeks and but its overall rate is better than several other countries who locked down in full which gets overlooked.
I also see that they have closed Leicester down again in the UK due to an increase in cases found note not deaths. A little bit of digging and I find out that the first test centre in Leicester was opened on 1 May. The rest of them, 7 further, all opened since 18 June 2020, the period in which the UK government is saying that cases have gone up, we now need to lock down again. I mean, you couldn’t make it up. You do more testing and you will get more positive results but they use this as justification for locking down again.
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Post by Control5 on Jul 5, 2020 9:53:23 GMT
Whatever about having no GAA action to discuss, the forum is at least up and running and available to us.
This should not be taken for granted however as Proboards have a policy around disinformation regarding Covid 19 and it lists a number of sites that it recommends as being reputable. The WHO is one.
The obvious question that arises is "what is disinformation". The answer to this seems to me to be in the eye of the beholder and beyond the average moderator of a site hosted on Proboards.
In order to ensure that the forum stays open and on an even keel, please limit any references to Covid 19 to how the GAA can operate in a situation where Covid is present in the community.
Any posts that stray from this will be deleted.
If Proboards pull the plug then it appears that the Forum is shut down.
The extract below is taken from the Pro Boards message i referenced above.
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As you are undoubtedly aware, the world is facing an unprecedented emergency with COVID-19 and the situation is rapidly evolving.
Recently there have been some discussions on this forum relating to this crisis, including some posts which contained misinformation. The health and safety of our employees, customers, and the public at large is our utmost priority. We strongly encourage you to follow the recommendations of experts in your area and around the world.
Relying on accurate information is paramount to successfully overcoming this global pandemic. We will not tolerate the propagation of misinformation on our platform which could result in serious consequences for the public at large. If you see any false information posted on a ProBoards forum, report it to us here. Further, on our Support Forum we will not tolerate information from non-authoritative sources.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 5, 2020 13:35:42 GMT
Whether the figures are spot on or not I can assure you the effects of this disease should not be trivialised for political point scoring. My niece is 23, fit and healthy (mild but controlled asthma), she's an inter county camogie player. She works in a HSE facility for people with special needs and due to a lack of proper PPE she contracted COvid 19 in March. She was hospitalised , spent 5 days there but luckily not in ICU. Since her release from hospital she was subsequently re-admitted for a further 2 days due to breathing issues. She is unable to work or resume a normal life, she has no energy and must rest after even the smallest exertion. She goes for short walks and then she's not fit for anything and has to lie down for an hour. Her sleep and her mental health have been seriously affected. She isolated for 45 days as did the other members of her family. she recently had an insect bite and due to her depleted immune system her leg swelled and she was unable to walk for a couple of days - a further course of antibiotics sorted it. Only yesterday I heard another similar story of a 33 year old in pretty much the same situation. It scares me that we seem to be moving on very quickly and now the pubs are open it's like we're back to the good ol days.
I spoke to the father of a local lad who's working as a Dr in UK, he told me something that has really hit home - 70% of all patients who were put on ventilators in ICU where he works are now in kidney failure and will require dialysis/transplant. That's a pretty stark outlook.
Not claiming to be an expert, not interested in arguing the toss, just putting it out there.
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Post by mandad on Jul 5, 2020 14:00:43 GMT
I’m more hopeful than confident that we will see Championship football this year. I wonder too about what happens if a panel member goes down with COVID and has to isolate? Will that affect the entire panel, part of the panel, or whatever? If there are isolation issues for a period, who pays wages of those individuals or extended persons impacted. It could very easily escalate out of hand. Those thoughts might seem a bit farfetched, but I wonder if there are contingencies for those types of scenarios. Assuming that there is a resumption of inter-county, these are the games that will be in our sights: Re-arranged Fixtures that are relevant to Kerry (hopefully).
19-10-2020 Allianz Football League. Monaghan -v- Kerry. Inniskeen. 24-10-2020 Allianz Football League. Kerry. –v Donegal. Tralee. 7/8-11-2020 Munster f.ball Semi-Final. Cork -v- Kerry. Páirc Uí Chaoimh. 22-11-2020 Munster Final. 6-12-2020 All-Ireland F. Semi Final. Munster winners -v- Connacht winners. 6-12-2020 All-Ireland Minor Semi-Final. 19-12-2020 All Ireland Finals.
17-10-2020 u20. All Ireland Semi-Final. Kerry -v- Galway.
Division 1 Table after 5 games.
Galway 8pts. +22 Kerry 7pts. + 4 Tyrone 6pts. -14 Dublin 6pts. + 4 Donegal 5pts. +18 Monaghan 5pts. + 2 Mayo 3pts. -14 Meath 0pts. -22
To win the League, our best hope is to win our two games and Galway to lose one. It’s doable if we can get our game going properly.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 5, 2020 14:33:33 GMT
Whatever about having no GAA action to discuss, the forum is at least up and running and available to us. This should not be taken for granted however as Proboards have a policy around disinformation regarding Covid 19 and it lists a number of sites that it recommends as being reputable. The WHO is one. The obvious question that arises is "what is disinformation". The answer to this seems to me to be in the eye of the beholder and beyond the average moderator of a site hosted on Proboards. In order to ensure that the forum stays open and on an even keel, please limit any references to Covid 19 to how the GAA can operate in a situation where Covid is present in the community. Any posts that stray from this will be deleted. If Proboards pull the plug then it appears that the Forum is shut down. The extract below is taken from the Pro Boards message i referenced above. .............................. As you are undoubtedly aware, the world is facing an unprecedented emergency with COVID-19 and the situation is rapidly evolving. Recently there have been some discussions on this forum relating to this crisis, including some posts which contained misinformation. The health and safety of our employees, customers, and the public at large is our utmost priority. We strongly encourage you to follow the recommendations of experts in your area and around the world. Relying on accurate information is paramount to successfully overcoming this global pandemic. We will not tolerate the propagation of misinformation on our platform which could result in serious consequences for the public at large. If you see any false information posted on a ProBoards forum, report it to us here. Further, on our Support Forum we will not tolerate information from non-authoritative sources. That clarity was needed as a previous thread was locked down, without explanation? A new member who is outspoken on Corvid PM'd me and apart from making ridiculous and unsubstantiated assertions, they couldn't state one iota of credibility as to what they were asserting, apart from expecting us to spend hours on You Tube. From my record on here people will know I am not one hold back from calling things out and my advice to anyone doing so is to have your facts right, otherwise you are only discrediting what may or may not have some merit. As we have little football to discuss I personally think we should be free to discuss things as just we would with friends and acquaintances normally, be it on or off line -why shouldn't we and that story by Jackiel is pretty serious stuff. There may be members whose only social contact is this forum and it would be criminal if they were to be cut off because of a few nut cases and IMO should be banned if they are consistently being a nuisance. The reality is that they can post on any thread anyway and it is also unfair on Control and who as volunteers are under extra pressure too these days. Thanks to mandad for the previous post above for extracting our schedule from the maze of info out there and I also share his views on this virus - he is a wise man but sure he knows we think that, just a pity he and Vet are too modest to allow us to explore their mine fulls of info on specific aspects of things GAA. Stay safe everyone
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Post by jackiel on Jul 5, 2020 14:44:12 GMT
Thanks mandad for a return to what we all want to be talking about, probably worth a new thread. The GAA have released a document advising clubs what to do in the event of a positive case which seems to cover a lot of your queries. Monetary recompense for loss of work not included though which is no surprise. So far my club has only had 1 adult footballer opt out but the next couple of weeks will be a test and we can only hope that we remain clear.
It's good to have a timeline again and dates in the diary to look forward to.
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Post by Control5 on Jul 5, 2020 15:14:33 GMT
I’m more hopeful than confident that we will see Championship football this year. I wonder too about what happens if a panel member goes down with COVID and has to isolate? Will that affect the entire panel, part of the panel, or whatever? If there are isolation issues for a period, who pays wages of those individuals or extended persons impacted. It could very easily escalate out of hand. Those thoughts might seem a bit farfetched, but I wonder if there are contingencies for those types of scenarios. Assuming that there is a resumption of inter-county, these are the games that will be in our sights: Re-arranged Fixtures that are relevant to Kerry (hopefully). 19-10-2020 Allianz Football League. Monaghan -v- Kerry. Inniskeen. 24-10-2020 Allianz Football League. Kerry. –v Donegal. Tralee. 7/8-11-2020 Munster f.ball Semi-Final. Cork -v- Kerry. Páirc Uí Chaoimh. 22-11-2020 Munster Final. 6-12-2020 All-Ireland F. Semi Final. Munster winners -v- Connacht winners. 6-12-2020 All-Ireland Minor Semi-Final. 19-12-2020 All Ireland Finals. 17-10-2020 u20. All Ireland Semi-Final. Kerry -v- Galway. Division 1 Table after 5 games. Galway 8pts. +22 Kerry 7pts. + 4 Tyrone 6pts. -14 Dublin 6pts. + 4 Donegal 5pts. +18 Monaghan 5pts. + 2 Mayo 3pts. -14 Meath 0pts. -22 To win the League, our best hope is to win our two games and Galway to lose one. It’s doable if we can get our game going properly. Thanks Mandad
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I wonder, is there a goal in this game??
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 5, 2020 15:33:46 GMT
I thought it was Munster winners vs Leinster winners this year in the semi?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 5, 2020 18:23:59 GMT
I’m more hopeful than confident that we will see Championship football this year. I wonder too about what happens if a panel member goes down with COVID and has to isolate? Will that affect the entire panel, part of the panel, or whatever? If there are isolation issues for a period, who pays wages of those individuals or extended persons impacted. It could very easily escalate out of hand. The loss of wages aspect hadnt occured to me. As you say it could escalate easily. I cant see an obvious solution.
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mandad
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Post by mandad on Jul 5, 2020 21:28:52 GMT
I thought it was Munster winners vs Leinster winners this year in the semi? In 2017, 2014, 2011, 2008, 2005, 2002, etc., the semi-final pairings were Ulster v Leinster and Munster v Connacht. (3-year rotation). In 2018 when the Super 8s was introduced, to ensure that the rotation could continue, it was decided to put the Munster and Connacht in 1 group and Leinster and Ulster in the other group, so there was still the chance of the Munster v Ulster, Connacht v Leinster rotation. The same change was made last year. Now that the Super 8’s has been dropped they are reverting back to the system that operated up to 2018 to ensure that the rotation system continues. Makes sense really.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 6, 2020 11:20:21 GMT
Assume there is no league final this year so whomever finishes on top wins it ? Which would currently be Galway they have 2 tough games in mayo and Dublin left. Mad stuff , we could be league champions in november!
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 6, 2020 14:01:46 GMT
Assume there is no league final this year so whomever finishes on top wins it ? Which would currently be Galway they have 2 tough games in mayo and Dublin left. Mad stuff , we could be league champions in november! Yup - no finals in the league this year.
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Post by veteran on Jul 6, 2020 16:51:06 GMT
I want to thank Control for his forbearance in allowing the recent discussion which had only a tangential relationship to football matters. It now appears that forces operating outside this forum will not allow any further discussion on this topic and , of course, I will defer to Control's wishes. However, I would like to take the liberty of writing a few sentences about a subject dear to my heart, it should be dear to every person's heart, freedom of speech/opinion/ideas.
It is dear to my heart because I grew up in an Ireland which was dark and dreary and largely depressing. I am not referring to the atmospheric climate but rather to the censorious society of the time. Works of literature, films etc had to be approved for general consumption by an anonymous board with the heavy hand of Roman Catholicism in the background. Not surprisingly, a lot of our artists emigrated because they could not stomach having their creativity stifled. I do not want to be too critical of those times because it was a different era with different standards and influences. Happily as time went on the dark forces receded to an extent and people became more enlightened and less tolerant of being told of what to do and what to say. I imagine there are a lot of reasons for this change in the mores of the island but without a doubt the opening up of university education to a wider cohort of the public in 1968 by the then minister of education, Donogh O'Malley, was hugely influential. His foresight meant that by doing well in secondary education you had a chance to go on to third level education. A meritocracy of sorts rather rather than just being the preserve of the aristocracy. Truly, a case of education setting you free.
I can vividly recall the excitement of going to UCC, the realisation that the works of all the great novelists, poets, playwrights etc were at my fingertips. What more could a country boy want. It was like a child being set free in a candy store. No more censorship. No more kowtowing to supposed betters. Memorable tutorials where a novel, for instance, was diced and sliced, where every person's opinion was listened to and respected and gently cast aside as appropriate. No hierarchy, no sense of superiority. Ideas encouraged rather than suppressed. A sense that this is what a university should be about, the pursuit of truth.
Alas, it would appear that the circle is being completed. In the U.S. I am told that the humanities have been hijacked by left leaning activists, extreme left wing in a lot of cases, where the raison d'etre is identity politics, where the white, straight man is regarded as the lowest form of life. Seemingly artists of historical distinction are being jettisoned for perceived racism, misogyny and phobias of various hues in their works. And of course the graduates then go on to teach in high schools with a further propagation of this credo. I am further informed that this pervasive orthodoxy is now making its way into the sciences. I am not sure how scientists of the past infringe this new found religion but apparently they they have been tried and found guilty. Conform or die. The U.S. today, Europe/Ireland tomorrow. Whatever happened the pursuit of truth? How can you have truth when you do not have diversity of opinions? Of course this madness has now spread outside the campuses. If your views and your businesses do not coincide with and support the prevailing belief sets you are likely to be cancelled in whatever way is deemed appropriate to the cause. Witness, for example, poor J.K. Rowling, creator of Harry Potter. A more liberal woman it would be difficult to find. Recently, she had the temerity to state the biological fact that it is women rather than men who menstruate. She was immediately rounded on by the LGBT collective for such audacity. Where is this madness coming from and where is it going? The one thing one can say is that truth is the casualty. Of course truth will always be a casualty when speech/ideas/opinions are suppressed.
I give you this quotation: " We would not let our enemies have guns. Ideas are more powerful than guns. Why should we let them have ideas." The originator of that phrase is likely to send a shiver down the spine of any lover of opinions, ideas. That man, if he was such , Josef Stalin. We know how that concluded.
Speak up for freedom of speech, ideas, opinions at every opportunity. It is too late to speak up when these limitations are embedded. Time will tell whether I am being hyperbolic.
Adieu for the present. I have no to appetite engage in pretend conversations about pretend football activities.
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Post by taibhse on Jul 6, 2020 19:35:24 GMT
Did anyone get the number of that steam roller that just rammed through this forum?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:10:54 GMT
The league games more than ever will be just warm up for the championship. No one will want to risk an injury.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 6, 2020 20:33:06 GMT
Where did it say the conversation was banned? I understood the nutcase stuff was banned but not the 'parallel' conversation of how the virus affects the GAA, as Vet so well put it.
I thought ProBoards provided a Forum Hosting infrastructure, just like the council builds roads - I don't see how they can edit content? You telling me some IT company can 'police' our conversations? If they even tried it I'd dump them at the first available opportunity and move to Facebook or whatever and where freedom of speech is upheld.
I thought we had the right balance, i.e. where new members have a trial period and nutters are banned.
It is not such a thorny issue anyway as people judge for themselves and even if nutter articles appear they are probably ignored and ref Vets previous article, I think this applies to all media. In fact banning stuff often raises curiosity - nobody likes others deciding for them, moreover if the 'police' have a vested interest.
There are evil people everywhere, including government, law and order, etc and now that we have The Internet they are being found out. We will have freedom of speech and if we don't we can meet up elsewhere.
I personally feel we should have that 'parallel' conversation, I mean we talk of money and while it is a 'parallel' matter, well more a foundation matter really, it is fundamental top the GAA. And we should take it as far as we like, if some don't want to go that far then they don't have to read particular threads/posters - simple as that.
Vet has nil to be sorry for - his comments are 100% sensible, genuine and educational.
As regards the games, if we get to play them, another freaky result with the GGs on Sat with a big upset in the English Derby - with so little form we could have a few right upsets, moreover with no back door, maybe there will be a match in Leinster this year = 'tis an ill wind!. An open draw would be even more exciting with everyone having a cut at the big guns - can you imagine say Fermanagh topping The Dubs in Enniskillen on a dreary Sat evenin, a very dreary one it would be!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 6, 2020 22:15:48 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2020 23:21:02 GMT
Before covid struck, the departure of Donie Buckley was the hot topic.
Has anything happened about a replacement if in fact he will be replaced?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 3:56:54 GMT
Before covid struck, the departure of Donie Buckley was the hot topic. Has anything happened about a replacement if in fact he will be replaced? Pretty sure they said at the time that there would be no replacement and that his responsibilities would be allocated within the existing coaching staff.
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