Kerry U20s 2019

[mossie]

Quick turn around for Barry Mahony and Donal O'Sullivan , both very impressive for the under 20 hurlers today. fair play to them

[veteran]

Jul 20, 2019 17:57:25 GMT mossie said:

Quick turn around for Barry Mahony and Donal O'Sullivan , both very impressive for the under 20 hurlers today. fair play to them

Did Barry O’Mahony play for Crotta last night?

So, Barry , Donal O’Sullivan and Michael Slattery played for the hurlers. I was surprised that Michael was not on the football team as well. Perhaps , he has chosen hurling over football.

[mossie]

Jul 20, 2019 18:06:29 GMT veteran said:

Jul 20, 2019 17:57:25 GMT mossie said:

Quick turn around for Barry Mahony and Donal O'Sullivan , both very impressive for the under 20 hurlers today. fair play to them

Did Barry O’Mahony play for Crotta last night?

So, Barry , Donal O’Sullivan and Michael Slattery played for the hurlers. I was surprised that Michael was not on the football team as well. Perhaps , he has chosen hurling over football.

Barry and Donal came on as early subs today and did wreck

Barry was togged for Crotta last night but they didn't use him. Rest assured he will start next day out for Crotta!

Slattery another good dual player. don't know if he was called in for the footballers

[Hicser]

Jul 20, 2019 1:09:42 GMT Callitasitis said:

I would say that Jack was using the kerry u20 as a shop window for the kildare senior manager position whether the munster final defeat will blemish that waits to be seen declan o sullivan and John galvin next u20 management team

Interesting Declan will be involved, a great footballing brain, he could well make a great manager,

[mossie]

Jul 20, 2019 18:06:29 GMT veteran said:

Jul 20, 2019 17:57:25 GMT mossie said:

Quick turn around for Barry Mahony and Donal O'Sullivan , both very impressive for the under 20 hurlers today. fair play to them

Did Barry O’Mahony play for Crotta last night?

So, Barry , Donal O’Sullivan and Michael Slattery played for the hurlers. I was surprised that Michael was not on the football team as well. Perhaps , he has chosen hurling over football.

correction Barry did play for Crotta Friday night

[Sons of Pitches]

Faltering conveyor belt

One team had all the confidence of serial winners, their audacious scoring conveying an utter disregard for the laws of physics; the other team was Kerry, perhaps the sole threat to Dublin’s continued dominance at senior level.

The Munster under-20 football final, it’s fair to say, didn’t exactly play out as anticipated.

The Kingdom – having accumulated five All-Ireland minor titles since 2014, and looking poised to land a sixth – appear at one level to be in a healthier position than pretty much any other county in the country. But something is amiss.

All those minor sides falling drastically short of expectations at the next grade up is an inexplicable case of underachievement, one that has left even the most educated purveyors of the Kerry tradition stewing in a sweat.

Defeat to Cork last Thursday means the period without an All-Ireland title at this level will now stretch to 12 years. That space of time, to highlight Kerry frustrations, has produced six different winners.

Mayo, the last side outside Kerry to win an All-Ireland minor title, were victorious at under-21 level in 2016. The same was the case for Dublin’s minor class of 2012 two years earlier. So what’s happened Kerry since?

While a string of their young talent have graduated straight to senior level, that cannot be the sole excuse for what has become a systematic failure.

For all their success, Cork swept away the Kerry youngsters like championship fodder, strolling to a 12-point win in a similar style to a certain shade of blue in the senior championship.

It was devastating, and regardless of how Kerry’s senior and minor outfits perform over the coming weeks, the inquest will continue in the Kingdom.

By the numbers - 17.6:
After five games in this year’s championship Dublin’s average winning margin is 17.6 points.
One team had all the confidence of serial winners, their audacious scoring conveying an utter disregard for the laws of physics; the other team was Kerry, perhaps the sole threat to Dublin’s continued dominance at senior level.

The Munster under-20 football final, it’s fair to say, didn’t exactly play out as anticipated.

The Kingdom – having accumulated five All-Ireland minor titles since 2014, and looking poised to land a sixth – appear at one level to be in a healthier position than pretty much any other county in the country. But something is amiss.

All those minor sides falling drastically short of expectations at the next grade up is an inexplicable case of underachievement, one that has left even the most educated purveyors of the Kerry tradition stewing in a sweat.

Defeat to Cork last Thursday means the period without an All-Ireland title at this level will now stretch to 12 years. That space of time, to highlight Kerry frustrations, has produced six different winners.

Mayo, the last side outside Kerry to win an All-Ireland minor title, were victorious at under-21 level in 2016. The same was the case for Dublin’s minor class of 2012 two years earlier. So what’s happened Kerry since?

While a string of their young talent have graduated straight to senior level, that cannot be the sole excuse for what has become a systematic failure.

For all their success, Cork swept away the Kerry youngsters like championship fodder, strolling to a 12-point win in a similar style to a certain shade of blue in the senior championship.

It was devastating, and regardless of how Kerry’s senior and minor outfits perform over the coming weeks, the inquest will continue in the Kingdom.

[greengold35]

Jack O'Connor's term in charge as bainisteoir ended with the Munster final defeat with county board chairman Tim Murphy indicating that he would expect to be able to give an update on the composition of next year's set up by the next meeting of the county board on Aug 13th.

There are a number of considerations to take into account with the newly formed Fixtures Review Committee ( see link) rumoured to be recommending the following changes at inter county under age:

* Only one under age competition with U-19 being the preferred age group
* Competition to be run off in the months of Feb & March - final probably on St Paticks Day
* Sigerson Cup to be run off in Sept/Oct

While the removal of one age group entirely from the calendar is the most contentious on the agenda, it appears that the competition will almost certainly be played earlier in the year to free up some more time on the calendar - this would be a retrograde step in my view and only strengthens the notion that the GAA have little time for this age group.

It remains to be seen if any of the above come to pass but the appointment of the next Kerry under age manager is a crucial one and perhaps its time to look at some club coaches such as Wayne Quillinan, Micheál Quirke, Seán Geaney, Stephen Stack etc as we endeavour to build on our minor successes of the last five years.


www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0609/1054376-cpa-represented-on-gaas-fixture-task-force/

[ballhopper34]

U19 in Feb/March and rename the Junior to U23 during the summer and all is good in my opinion.

Watch how many lads will be out of Uni real early if Sigerson done by end of October.

[clarinman]

Jul 27, 2019 18:54:41 GMT ballhopper34 said:

U19 in Feb/March and rename the Junior to U23 during the summer and all is good in my opinion.

Watch how many lads will be out of Uni real early if Sigerson done by end of October.

Or we could you back to U18 and U21!

[Kingdomson]

I watched the Dublin under 20s against Galway and they were impressive. Ciaran Archer is a serious talent and ready for senior level right now but Dublin are managing their young talent quite smartly by playing their young players at their own level firstly and prioritizing the off field development. Some of the Dublin under 20's didn’t even play minor as they prioritized the leaving cert. I always felt seniors get more prospects coming through from under 21/20 grade anyway than minor naturally enough. I felt sorry for David Clifford and Sean O Shea and ultimately Kerry that they never got to play at under 21/20 level and Diarmuid O Connor this year. Moreover, Kerry left a title at under 20 behind then in 2018 and who knows how confidence in other Kerry prospects was broken as a result - a rising tide lifts all boats and all that. Perhaps Dublin can afford more long term planning but Kerry thinking short term at this level has been detrimental at this grade. Confidence is a fragile thing and who knows how other Kerry players may have developed had we won an under 21/20 in 2017 or 2018. All conjecture now but Dublin prioritizing the next grade up from minor has seriously benefited their seniors over the past 10 years having won the under 21 in 10, 12, 14 and 17 and should they win under 20 this year then expect even more fresh confident recruits to augment all the senior talent already there. I’m hoping Cork or Tyrone coming through can win the under 20s as the last thing football needs is another win for Dublin at this grade. Perhaps we in Kerry should learn the lesson that long term planning can pay off more than short term gains - we learnt it at minor and we need to apply it at the next grade up.

[pillar]

John Sugrue stepped down as Laois manager tonight.Might I suggest he be approached for the vacant U20 role.Young manager who could be a future senior manager.

[dc84]

Fair play to the cork u 20s yesterday serious comeback. Cork were the best team in the country by a mile this year.
Dublin playing with a huge wind and their two big midfielders caused cork no end of trouble in the first 15 mins when the score was 1-6 to no score. Then it got crazy cork attacked at will and looked like they would score goals every time they attacked despite dublin having everyone back. For the remainder of the game cork outscored dublin 3-16 to 8 points.

Cork except for that start were streets ahead of dublin bodes well for the future across the county bounds. Cork are back and I for one am glad to see it as I want to go back to hating them a bit 😉

[thebluepanther]

Aug 4, 2019 8:18:39 GMT dc84 said:

Fair play to the cork u 20s yesterday serious comeback. Cork were the best team in the country by a mile this year.
Dublin playing with a huge wind and their two big midfielders caused cork no end of trouble in the first 15 mins when the score was 1-6 to no score. Then it got crazy cork attacked at will and looked like they would score goals every time they attacked despite dublin having everyone back. For the remainder of the game cork outscored dublin 3-16 to 8 points.

Cork except for that start were streets ahead of dublin bodes well for the future across the county bounds. Cork are back and I for one am glad to see it as I want to go back to hating them a bit 😉

Cork by far the better side . We showed how at underage things can easily spiral from bad to worse when not going your way. Cork got momentum , had great support roaring then on and our guys started to make a lot of unforced errors.
We have a few guys who will learn a he’ll of a lot from yesterday and be the better for it.
Cork were impressive and while I would of loved a yesterday , think it’s good that Cork Football seems to have awakened from its slumber . Well done to them .

[Mickmack]

and the Cork u20s beat KK in hurling too in the semi finals.

I think we would have had a few Kerry v Cork minor finals over the past five years had Cork had a second bite of the cherry after losing to Kerry in Munster

[glengael]

Well done to Cork on their win, especially after that start. What are the odds on a double at u-20 now?

[onlykerry]

Cork football is really rediscovering its mojo - most counties would have wilted going behind early to Dublin and that goal they conceded was horrendous.

[mossie]

Aug 6, 2019 16:06:54 GMT onlykerry said:

Cork football is really rediscovering its mojo - most counties would have wilted going behind early to Dublin and that goal they conceded was horrendous.

[mossie]

Cork football is bouncing back, the munster senior championship and super 8s could do with a rejuvenated Cork

Believe it or not Div 3 might not be a bad place for Ronan McCarthy to try a few new players out in 2020

[Jo90]

Aug 6, 2019 15:17:57 GMT glengael said:

Well done to Cork on their win, especially after that start. What are the odds on a double at u-20 now?

Not great I'd say, seeing that they've already won the football and are in the final of the hurling against a team that they're pretty much on par with. 😜

[Mickmack]

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U20 Football rule is lunacy, says Premier boss Liam Cahill
Tipperary U20 hurling manager Liam Cahill

By Eoghan Cormican
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Thursday, August 08, 2019 - 12:00 AM
Tipperary U20 hurling manager Liam Cahill has described as “lunacy” the rule which prevents young footballers from playing U20 and senior championship in the one summer, insisting that there is no threat of burnout to the three members of his panel who are also part of Liam Sheedy’s set-up.

Tipperary hurlers Paddy Cadell, Jerome Cahill, and Jake Morris have spent the year doubling up at U20 and senior level, with Morris featuring in each one of the county’s seven games en route to the All-Ireland senior final, while Cahill was introduced as a sub in the Munster final defeat to Limerick and All-Ireland quarter-final win over Laois.


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Having lined out in last weekend’s All-Ireland U20 semi-final mauling of Wexford, the three players will spend the next week and a half in camp with the seniors before a six-day turnaround to their All-Ireland U20 final against Cork, which was yesterday confirmed for LIT Gaelic Grounds on Saturday, August 24 (6pm throw-in).

Cahill sees no issue with emerging talents being part of their county’s U20 and senior set-ups in the one season and cannot understand why there is a rule in place which discriminates against footballers but allows hurlers free rein.

“I don’t know where that rule came out of. It is unfair on footballers. These players should be allowed to play at their own grade. I don’t think it’s a case that playing senior and U20 in the one year is unmanageable. It can be managed,” Cahill stressed.

“You are seeing it here with ourselves. You are seeing with counties where there is an overlap between senior and U20 that we are able to handle it.

I would be fairly annoyed if I was a U20 inter-county football manager and three or four of my best players couldn’t play with me as a result of that rule. I think it is lunacy.


The Tipperary U20 boss added: “If they are in a senior inter-county environment, you only get them back for the matches and the session or two before the championship [games]. In our case, Liam Sheedy has sent them back in absolutely top-class condition so we don’t have to worry about their physicality or their S&C work, that is just done. They come back to you ready to go.

If relationships are good in that respect, I don’t see it being an issue. I wouldn’t think there is a danger of burnout. The rule is a strange one. I am glad it is not implemented into the U20 hurling structure.

Following a talent academy review, a group commissioned by GAA president John Horan is expected to recommend U19 replace both U17 and U20 and become the only inter-county underage grade. Cahill, who has managed Tipperary to All-Ireland minor and U21 titles, is not in favour of such a move.

“I would be concerned about it from the perspective of a 19-year old when he is finished with U19 and he is not yet ready to step up to senior. As you can see, unless you are one of the elite, a Jake Morris or a Kyle Hayes, and you come through quickly and are an exceptional player, the majority of these players are 22/23 before they step up to senior.

“Between 19 and 21/22 is too long to leave these players out there and for them not to be involved in an inter-county set-up. We are possibly going to lose a lot of potential young players who are late developers if they move it back to U19.”

[onlykerry]

Aug 9, 2019 7:51:21 GMT Mickmack said:

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U20 Football rule is lunacy, says Premier boss Liam Cahill
Tipperary U20 hurling manager Liam Cahill

By Eoghan Cormican
Staff writer

Follow @cormicaneoghan
Thursday, August 08, 2019 - 12:00 AM
Tipperary U20 hurling manager Liam Cahill has described as “lunacy” the rule which prevents young footballers from playing U20 and senior championship in the one summer, insisting that there is no threat of burnout to the three members of his panel who are also part of Liam Sheedy’s set-up.

Tipperary hurlers Paddy Cadell, Jerome Cahill, and Jake Morris have spent the year doubling up at U20 and senior level, with Morris featuring in each one of the county’s seven games en route to the All-Ireland senior final, while Cahill was introduced as a sub in the Munster final defeat to Limerick and All-Ireland quarter-final win over Laois.


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Having lined out in last weekend’s All-Ireland U20 semi-final mauling of Wexford, the three players will spend the next week and a half in camp with the seniors before a six-day turnaround to their All-Ireland U20 final against Cork, which was yesterday confirmed for LIT Gaelic Grounds on Saturday, August 24 (6pm throw-in).

Cahill sees no issue with emerging talents being part of their county’s U20 and senior set-ups in the one season and cannot understand why there is a rule in place which discriminates against footballers but allows hurlers free rein.

“I don’t know where that rule came out of. It is unfair on footballers. These players should be allowed to play at their own grade. I don’t think it’s a case that playing senior and U20 in the one year is unmanageable. It can be managed,” Cahill stressed.

“You are seeing it here with ourselves. You are seeing with counties where there is an overlap between senior and U20 that we are able to handle it.

I would be fairly annoyed if I was a U20 inter-county football manager and three or four of my best players couldn’t play with me as a result of that rule. I think it is lunacy.


The Tipperary U20 boss added: “If they are in a senior inter-county environment, you only get them back for the matches and the session or two before the championship [games]. In our case, Liam Sheedy has sent them back in absolutely top-class condition so we don’t have to worry about their physicality or their S&C work, that is just done. They come back to you ready to go.

If relationships are good in that respect, I don’t see it being an issue. I wouldn’t think there is a danger of burnout. The rule is a strange one. I am glad it is not implemented into the U20 hurling structure.

Following a talent academy review, a group commissioned by GAA president John Horan is expected to recommend U19 replace both U17 and U20 and become the only inter-county underage grade. Cahill, who has managed Tipperary to All-Ireland minor and U21 titles, is not in favour of such a move.

“I would be concerned about it from the perspective of a 19-year old when he is finished with U19 and he is not yet ready to step up to senior. As you can see, unless you are one of the elite, a Jake Morris or a Kyle Hayes, and you come through quickly and are an exceptional player, the majority of these players are 22/23 before they step up to senior.

“Between 19 and 21/22 is too long to leave these players out there and for them not to be involved in an inter-county set-up. We are possibly going to lose a lot of potential young players who are late developers if they move it back to U19.”

U20/21 grade is not supported by the GAA at any level and this is short sighted in the extreme. This grade is essential in maintaining the senior grade. At club level it is the only thing that will keep most clubs (and rural ones in particular) alive. It is essential that a transitionary grade is in place or long term damage will be done to the game. It may be that the transitionary grade is Junior re-classed as u23 or even turn the u21 into a 9 a side blitz type game. A void cannot be left as players will drift and never come back - gyms, triathalons, cycling, tag rugby etc (social activities) will all become more attractive and GAA will lose out. These grades are an investment in the future of the game and not a pain in the ass that has to be run off quickly with disdain.

[pillar]

Jul 30, 2019 22:10:09 GMT pillar said:

John Sugrue stepped down as Laois manager tonight.Might I suggest he be approached for the vacant U20 role.Young manager who could be a future senior manager.

Thought it to be a good shout alright

[hatchetman]

Did you stick a few Bob on it?