Kerry U20s 2019

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Jul 18, 2019 19:50:19 GMT decondd2 said:

Absolutely schooled. Depressing to watch.

These wonderful footballers who have proved it time and time again for the Minors, getting taught a lesson.

Time will tell how good they are

This means a lot to Cork. To be fair to Cork they have been unlucky a few times over the past few years at minor level

[royalkerryfan]

Cork fully deserved that victory very comprehensive.
Personally im not a fan of JOC and surely we have other coaches that can take these lads forward.

[piggott]

Completely dominated us, turnovers possession etc. As bad as 2011. Maybe as many Kerry fellows will recover and get revenge at senior level!

[taggert]

Must say well done to Cork too. They were hugely up for it tonite, played with great spirit, played on the edge with real pace and power all over the pitch and their full fwd line ran amok.

[john4]

Were these the minor teams that drew and went to extra time in tralee in the munster semi final, or was that last year's 20's. They were a right good Cork team in fairness.

[kot]

Jul 18, 2019 19:56:51 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Cork fully deserved that victory very comprehensive.
Personally im not a fan of JOC and surely we have other coaches that can take these lads forward.

4 of the 5 minor winning teams development has been severely dented by Jack’s & his coaching teams ineptitude. Like somebody said previously, writing was on wall after the galway game. He had learnt nothing tactically and his teams still struggle to adapt and are guilty of turning up undercooked for games.

And with the golden team he had for his years in charge of the seniors, he should have won at least 5 all irelands with that group!

[listowelemerrs]

Jul 18, 2019 20:03:28 GMT kot said:

Jul 18, 2019 19:56:51 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Cork fully deserved that victory very comprehensive.
Personally im not a fan of JOC and surely we have other coaches that can take these lads forward.

4 of the 5 minor winning teams development has been severely dented by Jack’s & his coaching teams ineptitude. Like somebody said previously, writing was on wall after the galway game. He had learnt nothing tactically and his teams still struggle to adapt and are guilty of turning up undercooked for games.

And with the golden team he has for his years in charge, he should have won at least 5 all irelands with that group!

I don’t get your last paragraph? Are you on about his senior golden team that was fighting it out with Tyrone or?

[listowelemerrs]

Jul 18, 2019 20:00:59 GMT john4 said:

Were these the minor teams that drew and went to extra time in tralee in the munster semi final, or was that last year's 20's. They were a right good Cork team in fairness.

That would be next years u20s. Cork have actually been very close at minor and u21 these last 5 years but Clifford alone was the difference many a time espiecaully when the ( 2 teams tonight met at minor level 2 years ago) Clifford scored 2-8 and we won by 10 points that night

[kot]

Jul 18, 2019 20:12:48 GMT listowelemerrs said:

Jul 18, 2019 20:03:28 GMT kot said:

4 of the 5 minor winning teams development has been severely dented by Jack’s & his coaching teams ineptitude. Like somebody said previously, writing was on wall after the galway game. He had learnt nothing tactically and his teams still struggle to adapt and are guilty of turning up undercooked for games.

And with the golden team he has for his years in charge, he should have won at least 5 all irelands with that group!

I don’t get your last paragraph? Are you on about his senior golden team that was fighting it out with Tyrone or?

Typos & omissions in my exacerbation. Corrected.

[Whosinmidfield]

Very poor from Kerry. I wouldn't blame midfield, it was more that we couldn't win a break. Also the insistence of kicking long ball into the full forward line even when it wasn't on was disastrous. I agree with what is being said about JOC, 4 years he has been in charge with hugely talented teams and how he has not won one All Ireland is extremely poor. In saying that I think Cork were very good. Number 14 Cathal O'Mahony is an outstanding talent. Number 15 Damien Gore, number 13 Mark Cronin, number 11 Blake Murphy, and number 4 Paul Ring are very good players as well. Cork football is looking a lot brighter!

[veteran]

Congratulations to Cork. A terrific display of football and I am delighted for the genuine football followers in Cork and there are many. On the evidence of tonight it will take a hot team to beat them. Regardless of what happens from here on in this has been a good summer for Cork football.

On the other hand, surely a composite selection of a couple of All-Ireland winning minor teams should should have displayed a more spirited , strategic performance irrespective of the absence of David Clifford and Diarmuid O’Connor.

[Jo90]

An abject performance but I wouldn't write off those players yet - remember in 2011 when the u21s lost by 22 points, 9 of that Kerry team won an All-Ireland 3 years later including trashing a Cork team by 12 points with a large portion of the same players. It also was meant to herald a golden era for Cork but a single Munster title is all they won in the 9 years at senior level since.

Cork backs were very good, forcing lots of turnovers. We should have expected a tigerish performance from Cork, their manager is Keith Ricken who got a 48 week suspension for punching a Laois minor team member in 2004 in that infamous melee!

[Mickmack]

For about 25 minutes of the first half the standard was as good as I have seen at any level.

There were worrying signs in that time when nearly every kickout by Kerry was directed towards the Kerry number 12 and Cork won most of those it seemed to me. Yet the tactic continued more or less throughout the game.

The other tactic seemed to be to deliver it anyway into the FF and the Cork fullback was well up for that challenge.

Kerrys two midfielders were taken off which i couldn't understand at all and the wheels seemed to come off after that.

Cork minors in recent years were very unlucky to meet Kerry at semi final stage. You could say that they were Kerry's strongest opponent over the past few years so it was great to see such joy on them tonight. They were great tonight.

Jack is great great GAA man for Kerry and he will be hurting tonight.

[Kingdomson]

5 All Ireland minor titles in a row harvested and we've not come to next to near winning a title at the next grade be it under 21/20 is quite disappointing. Losers will make excuses, they always do, and in this case about players not being available but the statistic of failure to push on at the next grade from minor level has been and is very disappointing. Not won at the grade after minor now since 2008 and it's a long time - too long and there should have been enough talent even allowing for the losses of some exceptional players to senior level to do a lot better.

[crokes86]

Terrible performance. Well beaten all over the field. Jacks last game surely. You would not pick anyone from tonight as a promising future senior but they are still very young and some of them could come good yet.

[Mickmack]

By Eoghan Cormican
Staff writer

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Friday, July 19, 2019 - 05:40 AM
Cork 3-16 Kerry 0-12

Cork’s three-year wait for a championship win over Kerry — across senior, U20/21, minor, and junior level — is no more.

The sizeable stain on Cork’s copybook that was their failure to better Kerry in a championship fixture since Cian Dorgan’s injury-time point in April of 2016 delivered the Rebels’ Munster U21 glory has been wiped clean. For Cork didn’t so much as overcome Kerry in yesterday evening’s provincial U20 decider, they obliterated them.


The result was another shot in the arm in this summer of resurgence for Cork football. For the first time in a long while, the Cork minors, U20s and seniors have progressed to the last eight of their respective championships. For this particular group, they are now just one hour from an All-Ireland final appearance.

And based on the evidence here, what was a superb team effort where the link-play and running off the shoulder was top-drawer, they will be hard stopped.

Ahead by 0-10 to 0-6 at the break, the hosts raced out of sight when outscoring their opponents by 1-4 to 0-1 between the 34th and 42nd minute. Keith Ricken’s young charges won the second period by 3-6 to 0-6, the bulk of those Kerry points arriving long after the outcome had been decided.

Jack O’Connor’s side, highlighting the extent to which they were outplayed and outmuscled, managed just two points in the 20 minutes after half-time, failing to score from play between the 36th and 55th minute. Of course, it has to be mentioned that the visitors, because of a ruling introduced in recent years, were without the two best U20 footballers in Kerry at the moment, they being David Clifford and Diarmuid O’Connor.

How sorely they were missed for where Cork had leaders in every line, players who were willing to take on their opposite number at every turn, players who were willing to take aim at the posts from the tightest of angles and with little or no space to swing a boot, Kerry, bar full-forward Eddie Horan who kicked three points, had no one capable of sticking their head above the parapet, no player capable of really troubling Cork.


The winners were full value for their 0-10 to 0-6 interval lead, although Kerry will rightly feel they left a goal behind given Horan was twice denied by opposing ‘keeper Josh O’Keefe in a matter of mere seconds.

Cork were superb early on and even though the visiting defence was heavily populated during the opening quarter, the patience of the home side, allied with their near-flawless kicking from distance, meant Keith Ricken’s charges were able to mine seven points in the opening 12 minutes, by which juncture, they led by six.

Their opening score set the tone for the numerous long-range points they would land, Cathal O’Mahony converting a free from outside the 45-metre line. Damien Gore showed a clean pair of heels to Michael Potts for their second, with Colm Barrett and O’Mahony putting three between them after 10 minutes.

Gearoid O’Donovan pulled down the kick-out which followed O’Mahony’s second, the move ending with MarkCronin throwing over the first of four sublime first-half points. O’Donovan and Cronin also combined for Cork’s sixth, with another monstrous O’Mahony kick completing their opening burst.

The Kingdom, whose long kick-passing game to their inside forwards reaped little dividend, took time to settle. Horan’s second on 14 minutes was their first score in 13 minutes. There dd follow a brace from the lively Fiachra Clifford and Sean O’Leary, but they should have been closer than three (0-7 to 0-4) as Donal O’Sullivan and Clifford wasted chances, the latter a run of the mill free.

Cork finished the half much the stronger, Cronin splitting the posts off either foot.

The home support in the crowd of 2,728 knew the evening was theirs when Blake Murphy, sprinting onto a Colm O’Callaghan pass, blasted past Brian Lonergan six minutes into the second-half.

O’Callaghan was rewarded for a fine shift when holding off two green and gold shirts to point on the three-quarter mark. It left the scoreboard reading 1-15 to 0-8. This final was fast becoming a rout.


Murphy was finisher turned provider when setting up sub Fionn Herlihy for Cork goal number two and just to rub one further pinch of salt in Kerry wounds after three years of oppression, Cathal O’Mahony smashed home a third green flag a minute into injury-time.

Such is the rising graph of Cork football, it is hard to see it being another three before they upset the neighbours next.

Scorers for Cork: C O’Mahony (1-5, 0-2 frees); M Cronin (0-5, 0-1 free); B Murphy (1-1); F Herlihy (1-0); C Barrett, D Gore (0-2 each); C O’Callaghan (0-1 each).

Scorers for Kerry: D O’Sullivan (0-5, 0-4 frees); E Horan (0-3); C Gammell, S O’Leary, F Clifford, P O’Shea (0-1 each)

CORK: J O’Keeffe (Newmarket); P Ring (Aghabullogue), M Shanley (Clonakilty), M O’Mahony (Knocknagree); G O’Donovan (Newcestown), P O’Driscoll (Ilen Rovers), S Meehan (Kiskeam); B Hartnett (Douglas), D O’Connell (Kanturk); C O’Callaghan (Éire Óg), C Barrett (St Finbarr’s), M Hodnett (Carbery Rangers); M Cronin (Nemo Rangers), C O’Mahony (Mitchelstown), D Gore (Kilmacabea).

Subs: B Murphy (St Vincent’s) for Hodnett (28 mins); F Herlihy (Dohenys) for O’Callaghan (46); J Murphy (Éire Óg) for Barrett (50); J McCarthy (Carrigaline) for O’Donovan (60); S Hickey (Millstreet) for Meehan (62).

KERRY: B Lonergan (Ballymacelligott); M Potts (Dr Crokes), D Casey (Austin Stacks), D McCarthy (Kenmare); C Gammell (Legion), P Warren (Gneeveguilla), S O’Leary (Kilcummin); J O’Connor (Austin Stacks), B Mahony (St Senan’s); A Donoghue (Castleisland Desmonds), K Falvey (Annascaul), S Horan (Scartaglen); F Clifford (Laune Rangers), E Horan (Scartaglen), D O’Sullivan (Kilgarvan).

Subs: C Ferriter (Annascaul) for Falvey (23 mins); N Donohue (Firies) for McCarthy (35); B Friel (Rathmore) for S Horan, C O’Donoghue (Glenflesk) for Casey (both 40); P O’Shea (Kilcummin) for O’Connor (46); P Walsh (Brosna) for Clifford

[onlykerry]

Poor performance by Kerry or a great Cork performance - as usual in such situations its a bit of both. Cork fully deserved their victory. Kerry were beaten throughout the field and seemed lifeless, repeating the same errors time and again. Shooting was poor when they did get chances and they seemed to lack leaders on the field. Surprised at how calmly Jack took it all and seemed to just sit there watching it unfold.
The most worrying aspect is our lack of success at this level - it probably has more influence on the senior grade than minor, particularly with the minors dropping to U17. Needs a serious re-think at Co board level. Loosing 2 players to the seniors is unfortunate but not the root cause of the problem.

[onlykerry]

The equivalent minor team from 2017 - they beat Cork 2-17 to 1-10
Kerry: D Uisis (Dingle); R O’Neill (Na Gaeil), C O’Donoghue (Glenflesk), M Potts (Dr Crokes); C Gammell (Legion), E Horan (Scartaglen), N Donohue (Firies); B Mahony (St Senan’s), D O’Connor (Na Gaeil); A Donoghue (Castleisland Desmonds), B Friel (Rathmore), F Clifford (Laune Rangers); Donnchadh O’Sullivan (Firies), D Clifford (Fossa), Donal O’Sullivan (Kilgarvan)
Subs: J Griffin (Dr Crokes) for Friel (38); M Slattery (Austin Stacks) for Donnchadh O’Sullivan (47); C O’Reilly (Austin Stacks) for F Clifford (48); P Warren (Gneeveguilla) for Donal O’Sullivan (55); S O’Leary (Kilcummin) for O’Neill (59); M O’Leary (Renard) for Gammell (60).
Kerry Last night
KERRY: Brian Lonergan; Dan McCarthy, Dylan Casey, Michael Potts; Cian Gammell, Patrick Warren, Seán O’Leary; Joseph O’Connor, Barry Mahony; Seán Horan, Eddie Horan, Adam Donoghue; Fiachra Clifford, Donal O’Sullivan, Killian Falvey.
Subs: Cathal Ferriter for Falvey (22), Niall Donohue for McCarthy (34), Brian Friel for Horan (40), Chris O’Donoghue for Casey (40), Paul O’Shea for O’Connor (46), Paul Walsh for Clifford (53).

And Cork in 2017 Minors
Cork: K McMahon (Kilshannig); L Finn (Mitchelstown), W Ronan (Kilmurry), D Ward (Douglas); J Harrington (Adrigole), P O’Driscoll (Ilen Rovers), J McCarthy (Carrigaline); M Keane (Mitchelstown), R Walsh (Kanturk); E Murphy (Dromtariffe), C O’Callaghan (Éire Óg), J Murphy (Éire Óg); M Cronin (Nemo Rangers), D Gore (Kilmacabea), C O’Mahony (Mitchelstown)
Subs: C Myers Murray (St Finbarr’s) for O’Mahony (22 mins, inj); C Barrett (St Finbarr’s) for Murphy (HT); D O’Mahony (Knocknagree) for Ronan (39); S Hickey (Millstreet) for Walsh, S Meehan (Kiskeam) for McCarthy (both 42); R O’Driscoll (Garnish) for Harrington (45, bc);
Cork last night
CORK: Josh O’Keeffe; Michael O’Mahony, Maurice Shanley, Paul Ring; Gearoid O’Donovan, Sean Meehan, Peter O’Driscoll; Brian Hartnett, Daniel O’Connell; Colm Barrett, Colm O’Callaghan, Mark Hodnett; Mark Cronin, Cathal O’Mahony, Damien Gore.
Subs: Blake Murphy for Hodnett (27), Jack Murphy for O’Connell (35), Daniel O’Connell for Murphy (36, blood), Fionn Herlihy for O’Callaghan (48), Jack Murphy for Barrett (50), Jack McCarthy for O’Donovan (59), Shane Hickey for Meehan (60)

[taibhse]

I’m finding it difficult to control my primitive impulses today.
A lot of posts on this thread are shrouded in words or phrases more emollient than the naked truth. Jack has failed to deliver at this level - just a pure statement of fact. The game has evolved hugely in recent years and I cannot see that in Jack’s teams.
Time to hit the reset button.

[buck02]

Kerry looked like rabbits in the headlights last night. They looked too cocky and not ready for the fury that Cork unleashed. Man for man, they were beaten in all aspects of the game - skill, pace, power and application - by their Cork opponent. Kerry couldnt put frees from the 21 over the bar while Cork were kicking them from play with their eyes closed from the 45.

Some of the players who I expected a lot from and who you would be thinking could make the step up to the next level - Mike Potts, Barry Mahony and Donal Sullivan were all well beaten last night and could not have been annoyed if they were taken off. It is worrying seeing the lack of development of a couple of these in the last two years.

On the management, they had a stinker. In the first half they took Killian Falvey off and replaced him with Cathal Ferriter. Now this was obviously the closest call when they were picking the team, which one of these to start. And the solution to being hammered in the middle of the field and the full back line was to replace a wing forward. And the difference in attitude between the players was personified in this switch - the lad who came on had to get the gumshield off the fella going off and put it into his mouth! Under 12 level stuff.

I was very disappointed in Kerry in the Munster Final last year but I gave them a free pass because of the severe heat that night. The semi final against Kildare and last nights performance seems to be a true reflection of where the team were at - and that was not good enough.

[crokes86]

Jack should have gone after the Kildare game.
Some of these players are only 18.
I think with new management next year we can come back again.

Cork were very hungry and well coached.
Management makes a big difference now and tactics.

Jack is just not caught up with the modern game.
Fresh face next year will help these players.

[fg]

I have defended jack o Connor in conversations with people for years, I actually thought he may be a viable option to manage the senior team again at a later juncture and I know there are mitigating factors re: unavailability of certain players and a recognition that we are producing a lot of small and not physically imposing players apart from our known marquee players and that the county board have recognised this and have addressed the issue with the current minor management team selecting the calibre of player we have representing Kerry at minor level this year but I think that Jack and his management team should stand down gracefully . Last night was a step too far and unacceptable .

[misteallaigh abú]

It was very uncomfortable viewing yesterday evening and although Kerry made a fist of it close to half time, the writing was on the wall well before then. Physically, it was obvious that Kerry were inferior, losing possession easily, being stripped of the ball or shuffled backwards by a fantastic Cork side. Cork were really humming last night and kicked nearly everything in the first half. Everything they touched turned to gold and it seemed to suck the life out of Kerry.
Sport can be cruel at times,no doubt Jack and his team will be hurting after such a defeat. They probably will be left thinking of what might have been had Clifford and O Shea been available to them last year and Clifford and O Connor this year. It is easy to judge a man harshly, however, minus David Clifford there's no way we would have won what we did at minor level. It shows what an extraordinary talent he is that a team's chances of All Ireland success hinges on him.
Cork was superb last night and we were chastened by a brand of football that was superb. Jack & Co will probably step aside and make way for a new team. Kerry will have to take this defeat on the chin and learn from it. A lot of very young and talented players on that panel, not for giving up on.

[onlykerry]

Jul 19, 2019 11:59:21 GMT fg said:

I have defended jack o Connor in conversations with people for years, I actually thought he may be a viable option to manage the senior team again at a later juncture and I know there are mitigating factors re: unavailability of certain players and a recognition that we are producing a lot of small and not physically imposing players apart from our known marquee players and that the county board have recognised this and have addressed the issue with the current minor management team selecting the calibre of player we have representing Kerry at minor level this year but I think that Jack and his management team should stand down gracefully . Last night was a step too far and unacceptable .

A couple of big lads in a team is always helpful but you don't need to be big to be in first for breaking ball. There has been a lack of tenacity, bite, fight, call it whatever you like from our u20's in the past few years and that troubles me. Nice football on its own is rarely enough and the doggedness and urgency that we need in our players is what is missing most for me. Controlled agression, even is a small dog will work wonders....

[crokes86]

Dublin looked impressive tonight.

Ciaran Archer looks like being the next big thing out of the Capital. Will probably get a run in the League next year.

Kieran Kennedy too at wing back. Great energy. Full of running.

Two good semi finals now.

Dublin v Galway and Tyrone v Cork. Very hard to predict.

[hatchetman]

If David Clifford played with the u20s instead of the seniors I suspect Peter Keane would be getting a slaughtering and Jack would be drowning in praise.

[Hicser]

Jul 19, 2019 11:59:21 GMT fg said:

I have defended jack o Connor in conversations with people for years, I actually thought he may be a viable option to manage the senior team again at a later juncture and I know there are mitigating factors re: unavailability of certain players and a recognition that we are producing a lot of small and not physically imposing players apart from our known marquee players and that the county board have recognised this and have addressed the issue with the current minor management team selecting the calibre of player we have representing Kerry at minor level this year but I think that Jack and his management team should stand down gracefully . Last night was a step too far and unacceptable .

Very gracefully said however I’m not sure of JOC’s next job if any?

[Callitasitis]

I would say that Jack was using the kerry u20 as a shop window for the kildare senior manager position whether the munster final defeat will blemish that waits to be seen declan o sullivan and John galvin next u20 management team

[greengold35]

Jul 19, 2019 10:13:50 GMT buck02 said:

Kerry looked like rabbits in the headlights last night. They looked too cocky and not ready for the fury that Cork unleashed. Man for man, they were beaten in all aspects of the game - skill, pace, power and application - by their Cork opponent. Kerry couldnt put frees from the 21 over the bar while Cork were kicking them from play with their eyes closed from the 45.

Some of the players who I expected a lot from and who you would be thinking could make the step up to the next level - Mike Potts, Barry Mahony and Donal Sullivan were all well beaten last night and could not have been annoyed if they were taken off. It is worrying seeing the lack of development of a couple of these in the last two years.

On the management, they had a stinker. In the first half they took Killian Falvey off and replaced him with Cathal Ferriter. Now this was obviously the closest call when they were picking the team, which one of these to start. And the solution to being hammered in the middle of the field and the full back line was to replace a wing forward. And the difference in attitude between the players was personified in this switch - the lad who came on had to get the gumshield off the fella going off and put it into his mouth! Under 12 level stuff.

I was very disappointed in Kerry in the Munster Final last year but I gave them a free pass because of the severe heat that night. The semi final against Kildare and last nights performance seems to be a true reflection of where the team were at - and that was not good enough.

Unfortunately these management calls are a feature of the last 3 years; the debacle in Limerick in 2017 vs Galway springs to mind when we played O'Seanacháin at centre back, a position new to him and ended up with a midfield of Barry & Matthew O'Sullivan while substituting Seán O'Shea - Barry O'Sullivan had been dropped from the team which beat Cork in the Munster final and was then reinstated for the semi final.


Last year's loss to Kildare was equally as bad - PK had shown with the minors how to negate Kildare duo McLoughlin and Hyland by employing Graham O'Sullivan at full back on McLoughlin and assigning a man marking role to Michael Potts on Hyland - Graham O'Sullivan played at 6 and Potts was on the bench and introduced as a wing forward - his All Ireland colleges medals and minor All Irelands were all won as a defender. In the event, Hyland and McLoughlin bagged 1-11 of a total of 1-14 when winning by a point.


This panel was assembled some time back in October and the narrative from the bainisteoir since then has been nothing but negativity about the grade and the restrictions - it is ludicrous and devalues the competition when your best players are barred if they have risen to senior ranks but the excuses continued to be trotted out - the difficulties around getting the players together as they were in various locations, the leaving certificate, pressure from clubs, lack of challenge games - excuses were being made in advance of our exit. The league format offered teams a chance to get up and running but we did not even play our final game vs Kildare!


In contrast, Cork did not even have a bainisteoir in place until Feb this year!

[mossie]

training since October for a competition that begins in July seems a bit ott