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Post by kot on Feb 11, 2019 11:22:43 GMT
The most recent report about the "Sheeeeemozzle" at the end is that when all the players were shaking hands that Mikey Geaney put out in his hand to Small who responded not with an extended arm of his own but walked straight into Geaney who took umbrage. From there all the other participants got themselves involved, some from either side who don't need any invitation to stand in for there colleagues on the field. The second you get that argy bargy and with fellas from the sidelines wearing bibs it looks awful. I don't think it then warranted fans heckling Dublin players as they went off the field as a group and will definitely give the Dubs players a reason to met out some retribution to us later in the year in their home ground..... sorry, I mean the neutral venue that hosts all showpiece games with an even balance ensured for supporters of both teams
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Post by homerj on Feb 11, 2019 12:05:27 GMT
is it just me, or is this the busiest the forum has been in years?
everytime i log in, theres multiple new posts to read, in the last you could log in here 5 times and not have a new post.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 11, 2019 12:58:09 GMT
Yes plenty of post and more to follow On one hand we looked vunerable when the Dubs got rolling late in the game we will have to figure out what happened there did we take our foot of the gas and try play conservative again ? But on the other hand We had several key parts of the field that did not fire at all no even close and there fore our upside for improvement must be vast. Our full forward did not fire at all near optimum if he did we would have been out of sight Paul of 0 for 4 on basic ground ball gathering and 4 and 0 for lazy tackling soft frees given away both basic fundamentals of the game. The soft frees given away I thought we had sorted out it was an absolute scourge of the past few seasons .
A midfield that can go box to box defend but critically defend by attacking and offering us some scoring option and leadership Attacking the ball in such a way that would force Fenton and McCarthy to defend and make they forage further back the field I think back to Jacko and Seanie we are light years away from that .
Bottom line is that we have great scope for improvement let’s hope that’s enough
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Post by keane on Feb 11, 2019 13:11:29 GMT
I think when a team is up by a few points and the Dubs know it's 'now or never' as such they just push way up. They put as much pressure as they can manage on kickouts and individuals tackle with all their energy for as long as they can to try and force the opposition into mistakes. I suppose at that point the opposition are tired and it can be difficult to break out once Dublin turn the screw like that.
You could actually see it for our last point - it was clear that there was acres of open territory down the right hand side but they put us under so much pressure it took us maybe five or six passes to get into a position to give a simple pass out that wing.
We need to think about ways to break that strangle hold when Dublin decide to apply it. You can easily see it when they decide to do it. It might be time for a load of cramps to set in, or for handbags to be started or even just for a couple of extremely well drilled 'escape route' kickout routines to be brought out. Even just to be aware that they do it, so you recognise it and can just mentally steel yourself that you need to burst your bollocks to the same extent as they are prepared to for the next five minutes until they get the message that you're not going to crack. It will be harder for them to sustain it when they recognise that the main effect of their increased effort is to create a coordinated increase in effort from the opposition.
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Post by veteran on Feb 11, 2019 13:40:30 GMT
Mickmack, If you get a chance you might put up the match in our video file , if that is possible. Thanks.
I have always been a fan of Kevin McCarthy. I presume he will be back in the panel again.
Liam Carey got 1-5 for Beaufort. He was a classy underage player. I wonder will he be considered for the panel?
Before the Tyrone match a man, who is usually in the know, told me the plan for that match was Jason at fullback and Jack Sherwood at CHB. Jack has done little wrong so far. It would be a huge boost if he settled in there which would release Jason for another position as needed.
I am not sure if Tadgh Morley is best utilised at wingback?
I jokingly suggested yesterday that Paul’s apparent tiredness in the second half may have been due to young Padi causing sleepless nights. Mickmack suggested that it could be a back problem. He certainly seemed to have trouble gathering a few low balls in the second half. He had that problem previously. Did it need an operation then? This is a big worry.. I hope my theory rather than Mick’s is the correct one. Paul is absolutely vital to the cause.
I agree with Bluepanther that the booing at the end was totally out of order but , as others have suggested, I feel it was directed at the ugly melee after the whistle. By the way, should our team not have formed a guard of honour for the All-Ireland champions as they came onto the field or has that convention been dispensed with?
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Post by dc84 on Feb 11, 2019 13:45:36 GMT
Dublins comeback also coincided with the cavalry coming in jack mccaffery, flynn, macauley, mcmenamin and andrews. With the notable exception of mccaffery all men in their 30s with ten years of ic experience and conditioning each. Our younger players have about what ten weeks senior training ? stamina will take a while to build up. We are a good bit ahead of where id thought ( or even hoped) we would be at this stage
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 11, 2019 13:48:17 GMT
The guard of honour, as far as I am aware, is reserved for the first game the champions play after the All Ireland - think Monaghan had that “privilege”!
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 11, 2019 13:55:18 GMT
Out of curiosity Who was number 2 for Kerry . Peter Crowley. An angel who would never get into any confrontation unless totally warranted...
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 11, 2019 14:04:42 GMT
If i get the video from my usual source i will post it up. PG had a back operation after the 2015 final i think
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Post by buck02 on Feb 11, 2019 14:05:22 GMT
Crowley has taken over Donaghy's mantle as the hate figure for Dublin fans I noticed the last night.
I also found it ironic in the extreme that a Dublin supporter takes issue with a bit of booing. Contrast the booing when Seanie Shea was kicking frees into the Mitchels end and the silence when Rock was kicking into the same end.
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Post by keane on Feb 11, 2019 14:20:13 GMT
Crowley has taken over Donaghy's mantle as the hate figure for Dublin fans I noticed the last night. I also found it ironic in the extreme that a Dublin supporter takes issue with a bit of booing. Contrast the booing when Seanie Shea was kicking frees into the Mitchels end and the silence when Rock was kicking into the same end. Zing
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Post by thebluepanther on Feb 11, 2019 16:22:43 GMT
Crowley has taken over Donaghy's mantle as the hate figure for Dublin fans I noticed the last night. I also found it ironic in the extreme that a Dublin supporter takes issue with a bit of booing. Contrast the booing when Seanie Shea was kicking frees into the Mitchels end and the silence when Rock was kicking into the same end. If your referring to me , i take issue when clowns on the Hill do it also, Many a time I’ve told guys to stop . I hate watching amateur players being booed no matter who they play for . I like games on the edge . But I don’t like small kids watching players grabbing each other at the final whistle , it adds nothing to the game .I seen start of melee and in truth both teams were at it . Leaving that aside it was a fantastic game of football and the football a great advertisement for GAA.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 11, 2019 17:02:26 GMT
Have to say I agree with all you've said above Mr Panther. I hate to see fighting in the game and the booing does my head in whether from the Hill or anywhere else. I don't like unsporting behaviour.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 11, 2019 17:25:35 GMT
Booing is always a pity - one of the greatest attributes of GAA is the mixing and mingling of supporters. The banter and quips are normally enjoyable (sometimes even more than the games themselves). Close games always result in tension and it takes little (normally the false courage of alcohol or being insultated in a gang/mob) to kick off boorish behaviour that escalates in a tit for tat manner that many regret when they calm down.
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Post by southward on Feb 11, 2019 17:26:48 GMT
Have to say I agree with all you've said above Mr Panther. I hate to see fighting in the game and the booing does my head in whether from the Hill or anywhere else. I don't like unsporting behaviour. Mayo are the worst offenders when it comes to booing. It doesn't be confined to free kicks either, nor does it seem to be a reaction to anything in particular. Limerick in 2014 was dreadful - the booing was incessant throughout the game; like a soccer mob they were.
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Post by southward on Feb 11, 2019 17:30:13 GMT
Crowley has taken over Donaghy's mantle as the hate figure for Dublin fans I noticed the last night. I also found it ironic in the extreme that a Dublin supporter takes issue with a bit of booing. Contrast the booing when Seanie Shea was kicking frees into the Mitchels end and the silence when Rock was kicking into the same end. If your referring to me , i take issue when clowns on the Hill do it also, Many a time I’ve told guys to stop . I hate watching amateur players being booed no matter who they play for . I like games on the edge . But I don’t like small kids watching players grabbing each other at the final whistle , it adds nothing to the game .I seen start of melee and in truth both teams were at it . Leaving that aside it was a fantastic game of football and the football a great advertisement for GAA. So anyway, BP, leaving aside the game, did you have a good weekend in Tralee?
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Post by southward on Feb 11, 2019 17:36:21 GMT
I'm not a fan of booing a freetaker or indeed what happened at the end of the match.I hate to see brawling in the GAA, its not good for kids to witness it. Last night was a great spectacle. Personally I wouldn't have had much time for Liam O Connor before but to give him his due he really got the crowd going considering how early everyone was in the stadium. Credit to the grounds people and management of ASP. Great to get the win, truthfully I never expected it, I'd hoped they'd "give a good account of themselves" and learn a few things. Sean O Shea and Dara Moynihan were excellent, my one fear is that we are so heavily reliant on Seanie, hopefully when James O and DC come back we will be firing on all cylinders. A great night for Tralee, the place was hopping and I believe Killarney also had a lot of visitors from the capital. Delighted to have been there last night and looking forward to the coming championship season, currently re-thinking my plans for the next couple of league matches. This was a great idea; should have more of it at games generally. No disrespect to the pipe bands but imo they're a bit old hat. Like, is anyone really entertained by them in this day and age?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 11, 2019 17:38:18 GMT
I recall Damien Dempsey before a Dublin Kerry match in Croke Park once in the League. Great idea.
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Post by Zubie on Feb 11, 2019 17:50:50 GMT
If i get the video from my usual source i will post it up. PG had a back operation after the 2015 final i think Hi Mick - where can we get these videos? (Or are they a closely guarded secret?)
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Post by thebluepanther on Feb 11, 2019 18:23:40 GMT
If your referring to me , i take issue when clowns on the Hill do it also, Many a time I’ve told guys to stop . I hate watching amateur players being booed no matter who they play for . I like games on the edge . But I don’t like small kids watching players grabbing each other at the final whistle , it adds nothing to the game .I seen start of melee and in truth both teams were at it . Leaving that aside it was a fantastic game of football and the football a great advertisement for GAA. So anyway, BP, leaving aside the game, did you have a good weekend in Tralee? Southward, I really enjoyed the weekend (bar the result obviously) , I stayed in Killarney for two nights, drove to game on the Saturday. then back to Killarney for the night. Good craic in hotel with Dubs and Kerry folk. We were shown great hospitality in the Hotel and we had good banter with the bar staff before and after game . Certainly will be back down soon.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Feb 11, 2019 19:14:18 GMT
That’s an interesting article by Aidan O’Rourke and it’s hard to argue with his take on Kerry we don’t have proven lockdown man markers in our last line at the moment. We look to have improved but we don’t have someone that you would fully trust to go one v one with a Mannion, McBrearty or McManus. Lots of lads with potential who may get there eventually though.
I would query whether Fitzsimons and Cooper are really that far ahead, if we do end up seeing them later on and we can get good ball in to Clifford and co I don’t see them shutting us down. They have benefited enormously from Cian O’Sullivans cover over the years as most teams pull men back and give Dublin a sweeper. Ultimately they may well still be too strong for us as a whole but I don’t see them as having a huge advantage at full back.
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Post by southward on Feb 11, 2019 19:26:39 GMT
That’s an interesting article by Aidan O’Rourke and it’s hard to argue with his take on Kerry we don’t have proven lockdown man markers in our last line at the moment. We look to have improved but we don’t have someone that you would fully trust to go one v one with a Mannion, McBrearty or McManus. Lots of lads with potential who may get there eventually though. I would query whether Fitzsimons and Cooper are really that far ahead, if we do end up seeing them later on and we can get good ball in to Clifford and co I don’t see them shutting us down. They have benefited enormously from Cian O’Sullivans cover over the years as most teams pull men back and give Dublin a sweeper. Ultimately they may well still be too strong for us as a whole though. In fairness, there's no defender anywhere that could completely nullify players like that; it can't be done. They're going to hurt you and all you can do is minimize the damage. Good forwards will score; if they didn't, we'd have a poor spectacle. Mannion is a beast.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Feb 11, 2019 19:39:55 GMT
That’s an interesting article by Aidan O’Rourke and it’s hard to argue with his take on Kerry we don’t have proven lockdown man markers in our last line at the moment. We look to have improved but we don’t have someone that you would fully trust to go one v one with a Mannion, McBrearty or McManus. Lots of lads with potential who may get there eventually though. I would query whether Fitzsimons and Cooper are really that far ahead, if we do end up seeing them later on and we can get good ball in to Clifford and co I don’t see them shutting us down. They have benefited enormously from Cian O’Sullivans cover over the years as most teams pull men back and give Dublin a sweeper. Ultimately they may well still be too strong for us as a whole though. In fairness, there's no defender anywhere that could completely nullify players like that; it can't be done. They're going to hurt you and all you can do is minimize the damage. Good forwards will score; if they didn't, we'd have a poor spectacle. Mannion is a beast. I think keeping these guys to 4-5 points could be considered breaking even.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 11, 2019 20:04:31 GMT
I think when a team is up by a few points and the Dubs know it's 'now or never' as such they just push way up. They put as much pressure as they can manage on kickouts and individuals tackle with all their energy for as long as they can to try and force the opposition into mistakes. I suppose at that point the opposition are tired and it can be difficult to break out once Dublin turn the screw like that. You could actually see it for our last point - it was clear that there was acres of open territory down the right hand side but they put us under so much pressure it took us maybe five or six passes to get into a position to give a simple pass out that wing. We need to think about ways to break that strangle hold when Dublin decide to apply it. You can easily see it when they decide to do it. It might be time for a load of cramps to set in, or for handbags to be started or even just for a couple of extremely well drilled 'escape route' kickout routines to be brought out. Even just to be aware that they do it, so you recognise it and can just mentally steel yourself that you need to burst your bollocks to the same extent as they are prepared to for the next five minutes until they get the message that you're not going to crack. It will be harder for them to sustain it when they recognise that the main effect of their increased effort is to create a coordinated increase in effort from the opposition. Oh dear
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 11, 2019 20:05:49 GMT
Re Fitzsimmons first yellow, watching the coverage back it was mentioned after the game that it was for persistent fouling.
In fairness to C Whelan he did say it was perfectly reasonable from Deegan.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 11, 2019 20:11:24 GMT
Have to say I agree with all you've said above Mr Panther. I hate to see fighting in the game and the booing does my head in whether from the Hill or anywhere else. I don't like unsporting behaviour. Mayo are the worst offenders when it comes to booing. It doesn't be confined to free kicks either, nor does it seem to be a reaction to anything in particular. Limerick in 2014 was dreadful - the booing was incessant throughout the game; like a soccer mob they were. Yes I agree Mayo are the most annoying
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 11, 2019 20:15:22 GMT
That’s an interesting article by Aidan O’Rourke and it’s hard to argue with his take on Kerry we don’t have proven lockdown man markers in our last line at the moment. We look to have improved but we don’t have someone that you would fully trust to go one v one with a Mannion, McBrearty or McManus. Lots of lads with potential who may get there eventually though. I would query whether Fitzsimons and Cooper are really that far ahead, if we do end up seeing them later on and we can get good ball in to Clifford and co I don’t see them shutting us down. They have benefited enormously from Cian O’Sullivans cover over the years as most teams pull men back and give Dublin a sweeper. Ultimately they may well still be too strong for us as a whole but I don’t see them as having a huge advantage at full back. I think the recent rugby game between Ireland and England showed how much the Irish struggled when hit with a team bang on form. The Irish number 10 didnt have the few seconds needed to give go forward ball etc etc. When Mayo were on top in the first half of the 2017 final and ball more advantageous to the forward was going in to the Andy Moran and the rest, the Dublin backs looked quite ordinary. Mayo ran out of gas and quality players in the end but sinn sceil eile.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 11, 2019 20:16:28 GMT
That’s an interesting article by Aidan O’Rourke and it’s hard to argue with his take on Kerry we don’t have proven lockdown man markers in our last line at the moment. We look to have improved but we don’t have someone that you would fully trust to go one v one with a Mannion, McBrearty or McManus. Lots of lads with potential who may get there eventually though. I would query whether Fitzsimons and Cooper are really that far ahead, if we do end up seeing them later on and we can get good ball in to Clifford and co I don’t see them shutting us down. They have benefited enormously from Cian O’Sullivans cover over the years as most teams pull men back and give Dublin a sweeper. Ultimately they may well still be too strong for us as a whole though. In fairness, there's no defender anywhere that could completely nullify players like that; it can't be done. They're going to hurt you and all you can do is minimize the damage. Good forwards will score; if they didn't, we'd have a poor spectacle. Mannion is a beast. The old adage of preventing good ball going into them is the best way to diminish their impact
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Post by diego on Feb 11, 2019 20:16:47 GMT
I'm not a fan of booing a freetaker or indeed what happened at the end of the match.I hate to see brawling in the GAA, its not good for kids to witness it. Last night was a great spectacle. Personally I wouldn't have had much time for Liam O Connor before but to give him his due he really got the crowd going considering how early everyone was in the stadium. Credit to the grounds people and management of ASP. Great to get the win, truthfully I never expected it, I'd hoped they'd "give a good account of themselves" and learn a few things. Sean O Shea and Dara Moynihan were excellent, my one fear is that we are so heavily reliant on Seanie, hopefully when James O and DC come back we will be firing on all cylinders. A great night for Tralee, the place was hopping and I believe Killarney also had a lot of visitors from the capital. Delighted to have been there last night and looking forward to the coming championship season, currently re-thinking my plans for the next couple of league matches. This was a great idea; should have more of it at games generally. No disrespect to the pipe bands but imo they're a bit old hat. Like, is anyone really entertained by them in this day and age? Yes, me! Love the sound of the pipe band on a big championship day. Valentia, Killorglin, Carrigaline - all good. But then I like my league games in the daylight of an afternoon in Killarney, so think I might be in the minority here.
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Post by playitfair on Feb 11, 2019 20:17:39 GMT
That’s an interesting article by Aidan O’Rourke and it’s hard to argue with his take on Kerry we don’t have proven lockdown man markers in our last line at the moment. We look to have improved but we don’t have someone that you would fully trust to go one v one with a Mannion, McBrearty or McManus. Lots of lads with potential who may get there eventually though. I would query whether Fitzsimons and Cooper are really that far ahead, if we do end up seeing them later on and we can get good ball in to Clifford and co I don’t see them shutting us down. They have benefited enormously from Cian O’Sullivans cover over the years as most teams pull men back and give Dublin a sweeper. Ultimately they may well still be too strong for us as a whole though. In fairness, there's no defender anywhere that could completely nullify players like that; it can't be done. They're going to hurt you and all you can do is minimize the damage. Good forwards will score; if they didn't, we'd have a poor spectacle. Mannion is a beast. It appeared to me that cian O’Sullivan and Phil were coming to the end last year. If that is the case, I would anticipate that Mccarthy will become the sweeper. No problem there just a big loss going forward.
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