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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 3, 2019 18:34:16 GMT
Saturday 9 February Kerry v Dublin, 7pm Tralee
While most reasonable observers especially within Kerry accept that we are really building a new side to make us regular challengers for Sam in the next decade and this may take a couple of seasons, clearly our rivals are still keeping a wary eye on us this year. Jim Gavin’s comments turning attention to Kerry straight away following the victory over Galway was telling.
Moreover, I remember being slightly taken aback when hearing Brain Fenton reference the Kerry match down in Tralee already back in either late September or early October in a TV interview, as one ‘Dublin would particularly look forward to in the New Year’. Dublin these days go out to win every single game of course and hammer the opposition if possible but in some fixtures they are especially keen to leave what Tomás Ó Sé calls the ‘the calling card’ and carry forward the psychological edge. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been at all surprised with Fenton’s comment.
Obviously Dublin feel they have the boot on our neck and are determined to keep it on but they are well aware of the green shoots coming up in the Kingdom. Moreover, they know it wouldn’t take too much for Kerry to rise up and restore what followers in the Kingdom would see as the natural order, and it’s what keeps making this fixture so intriguing for now. There’s more than 2 league points at stake here, Dublin will come determined to subdue any potential future threat to their football supremacy this year and sow seeds of doubt but Kerry need to be fearless and leave their own calling card. Two tribes go to war and who knows if this might be just the first major skirmish ahead of a bigger battle later this year? We shall hope and see in due course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:39:36 GMT
Despite what some of their fans say, Dublin would be extremely wary of us still. It is too soon I suspect for this team to beat Dublin but I expect a good performance.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Feb 3, 2019 19:31:28 GMT
Intriguing matchup here. I don’t honestly think the result will matter much come the summer but getting a win over the best team in the land at this stage would be a nice boost for our youngsters and give them great belief for the rest of the year.
Our second half performance today give me hope for next weekend. Dubs are as tough as old boots though and will not want to give up the points to Kerry. Too hard to call this one.
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Post by pillar on Feb 3, 2019 19:35:56 GMT
We're in a great place heading into this one.No pressure on us to win but the benefit of it would be huge.I think the main emphasis has been on defence which is our Achilles heel in the last few years.Gotta show the Dubs the next day that anything they get next Saturday night they'll have to fight tooth and nail for.Tralee will be bouncing for this one!!!
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Post by 1979 on Feb 3, 2019 21:29:14 GMT
It’s easy to see expectations rise after the first two rounds of the league, but I fear getting a result in this one will be a very tall order. The Dubs are kicking into gear, and we should expect one or two misfires that come with a new management set-up and a relatively inexperienced team. Of course both sides will be well up for this one and the atmosphere should be electric so there’s an element of unpredictablilty here.
It’ll be interesting to see how Sean O’Shea goes. He will very much be a marked man after today and last week, and if memory serves me welll the Dubs targeted him in a big way in the corresponding fixture last year. Hopefully the referee and his team mates will better protect him this time round. For that reason, as well as assessing his worth later in the year, would there be merit in having Marc Griffin start around the middle the next day?
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Post by augustafield on Feb 3, 2019 22:37:40 GMT
In response to 1979 we can’t be depending on referees for protection and we must stand up to any skullduggery meted out by the Dubs . Remember how Monaghan blackguarded us - our half forwards were black and blue before a ball was thrown in and Paul Geaney was pulled and dragged all day . When meeting Galway in the Super 8 JOD approached his marker with hand outstretched as a sporting gesture before the start to be rewarded with a punch in the ribs. He turned and appealed to the Referee to no avail . So our players must forget about protection from the Referee - they must not be bullied and must not show the white flag , must return with interest what they get and lay down a marker for future reference.
I recall many years ago the late Joe Keohane was part of the Kerry party who played the Dubs in New York and his advice to the players not to be fall guys was heeded and there was more fisticuffs than football with several players from each side seeing the line but we earned respect that day and got it subsequently from the Dubs . That day it was one in all in and when a Dub comes the heavy on one of ours next Saturday - as they absolutely will - there should be no standing back .
By all means welcome the Dubs to Tralee - they are worthy All Ireland Champions - but any success must of necessity consist of a strain of ruthlessness - and that they have in spades. But do not let it be at our expense .
We have been too soft in the recent past - where are our enforcers ? our Cooper our McMahon ?
It is important in my opinion that we do not bend the knee on Saturday but rather send the message that we are nobody’s whipping boys any longer . Unfortunately recent matches have burdened us with that reputation . So a loss would be acceptable if we are seen to stand up to the Dubs and to give as good as we get . A marker needs to be clearly set and what better occasion to do it .
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 3, 2019 22:53:30 GMT
In response to 1979 we can’t be depending on referees for protection and we must stand up to any skullduggery meted out by the Dubs . Remember how Monaghan blackguarded us - our half forwards were black and blue before a ball was thrown in and Paul Geaney was pulled and dragged all day . When meeting Galway in the Super 8 JOD approached his marker with hand outstretched as a sporting gesture before the start to be rewarded with a punch in the ribs. He turned and appealed to the Referee to no avail . So our players must forget about protection from the Referee - they must not be bullied and must not show the white flag , must return with interest what they get and lay down a marker for future reference. I recall many years ago the late Joe Keohane was part of the Kerry party who played the Dubs in New York and his advice to the players not to be fall guys was heeded and there was more fisticuffs than football with several players from each side seeing the line but we earned respect that day and got it subsequently from the Dubs . That day it was one in all in and when a Dub comes the heavy on one of ours next Saturday - as they absolutely will - there should be no standing back . By all means welcome the Dubs to Tralee - they are worthy All Ireland Champions - but any success must of necessity consist of a strain of ruthlessness - and that they have in spades. But do not let it be at our expense . We have been too soft in the recent past - where are our enforcers ? our Cooper our McMahon ? It is important in my opinion that we do not bend the knee on Saturday but rather send the message that we are nobody’s whipping boys any longer . Unfortunately recent matches have burdened us with that reputation . So a loss would be acceptable if we are seen to stand up to the Dubs and to give as good as we get . A marker needs to be clearly set and what better occasion to do it . 100% spot on. Lets go at the dubs, lets really go at them. If we lose so be it but lets give them a fair rattle. They are not invincible.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 3, 2019 23:27:33 GMT
In response to 1979 we can’t be depending on referees for protection and we must stand up to any skullduggery meted out by the Dubs . Remember how Monaghan blackguarded us - our half forwards were black and blue before a ball was thrown in and Paul Geaney was pulled and dragged all day . When meeting Galway in the Super 8 JOD approached his marker with hand outstretched as a sporting gesture before the start to be rewarded with a punch in the ribs. He turned and appealed to the Referee to no avail . So our players must forget about protection from the Referee - they must not be bullied and must not show the white flag , must return with interest what they get and lay down a marker for future reference. I recall many years ago the late Joe Keohane was part of the Kerry party who played the Dubs in New York and his advice to the players not to be fall guys was heeded and there was more fisticuffs than football with several players from each side seeing the line but we earned respect that day and got it subsequently from the Dubs . That day it was one in all in and when a Dub comes the heavy on one of ours next Saturday - as they absolutely will - there should be no standing back . By all means welcome the Dubs to Tralee - they are worthy All Ireland Champions - but any success must of necessity consist of a strain of ruthlessness - and that they have in spades. But do not let it be at our expense . We have been too soft in the recent past - where are our enforcers ? our Cooper our McMahon ? It is important in my opinion that we do not bend the knee on Saturday but rather send the message that we are nobody’s whipping boys any longer . Unfortunately recent matches have burdened us with that reputation . So a loss would be acceptable if we are seen to stand up to the Dubs and to give as good as we get . A marker needs to be clearly set and what better occasion to do it . 100% spot on. Lets go at the dubs, lets really go at them. If we lose so be it but lets give them a fair rattle. They are not invincible. Hang on lads. We did all you are talking about in the 2017 game in Tralee and got the draw. We backed it up in the league final in April. Those 2 games were no good us in the 2 dismal displays against mayo the following August. We are going to need more than brawn to beat the dubs when it counts in August.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Feb 4, 2019 0:06:53 GMT
In response to 1979 we can’t be depending on referees for protection and we must stand up to any skullduggery meted out by the Dubs . Remember how Monaghan blackguarded us - our half forwards were black and blue before a ball was thrown in and Paul Geaney was pulled and dragged all day . When meeting Galway in the Super 8 JOD approached his marker with hand outstretched as a sporting gesture before the start to be rewarded with a punch in the ribs. He turned and appealed to the Referee to no avail . So our players must forget about protection from the Referee - they must not be bullied and must not show the white flag , must return with interest what they get and lay down a marker for future reference. I recall many years ago the late Joe Keohane was part of the Kerry party who played the Dubs in New York and his advice to the players not to be fall guys was heeded and there was more fisticuffs than football with several players from each side seeing the line but we earned respect that day and got it subsequently from the Dubs . That day it was one in all in and when a Dub comes the heavy on one of ours next Saturday - as they absolutely will - there should be no standing back . By all means welcome the Dubs to Tralee - they are worthy All Ireland Champions - but any success must of necessity consist of a strain of ruthlessness - and that they have in spades. But do not let it be at our expense . We have been too soft in the recent past - where are our enforcers ? our Cooper our McMahon ? It is important in my opinion that we do not bend the knee on Saturday but rather send the message that we are nobody’s whipping boys any longer . Unfortunately recent matches have burdened us with that reputation . So a loss would be acceptable if we are sheen to stand up to the Dubs and to give as good as we get . A marker needs to be clearly set and what better occasion to do it . 100% spot on. Lets go at the dubs, lets really go at them. If we lose so be it but lets give them a fair rattle. They are not invincible. Now yere talking finally we have a few that believe take no crap but we have to have discipline Yere right their backs will smash you in the face all day long and yes they are getting away with it too long But no crying to the ref they are not protecting anyone lowndes Forearmed a Monaghan defender straight in the face last week and Fitzsimmons does it all the time man up and beat them on the score board present them with a surprise with 15 min to go either a new attack formation or a few new forwards like Stephen o Hanlon and Conor McManus last week Also you won’t beat them without scoring two probably three goals
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 4, 2019 6:27:19 GMT
Happy new year to all here. Looking forward to this, as ever. The games in Tralee always seem to have a great buzz especially. It's nicely set up with yous off to a very good start, and us not wanting to lose two from the first three, nor give Kerry any start on us this year.
Alot of unknowns about the game. Two years ago was very full-blooded with Kerry throwing down the gauntlet in a big way. I suspect this game won't be quite like that though it won't be a dressage either. As a probably younger and perhaps less physically developed team I think Kerry will be trying things in tactical terms and look to have alot of pace in their team. They will want to see do their emerging young leaders start to stand up especially when things going against them. Whatever Jim Gavin has said I think Dublin will be very mindful of not conceding too easy an advantage to use of the offensive mark, therefore that factor and the idea of long ball into a target man may be a bit of a red-herring for now.
If Dublin continue to have a laissez-faire attitude to it then how much might Kerry try to use it? I suspect for a period but not throughout the game, at this early stage of the year.
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Post by homerj on Feb 4, 2019 9:17:33 GMT
Kerry tried long ball multiple times yesterday and it didnt work. Wet ball of course played its part but i dont think its the answer to the dubs.
We played 15 in our half 3 or 4 times yesterday, youd imagine that will be increased next weekend.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 4, 2019 9:44:52 GMT
A cocktail of what we have seen from Kerry in the last two games won't be enough to win this one. They will need to go north of the way they approached the Tyrone game to be in the melting pot in this game. Looking forward to this one with some fascination.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 4, 2019 10:26:39 GMT
I’m intrigued by the midfield battle especially for this one. In general, David Moran coming off the bench for the last 20/25 minutes to steady the ship and bring a bit of experience is a good strategy to keep going through this league campaign. Moreover, it would be nice to see Jack Barry try and take a lead here and catch a bit of confidence and form and go toe to toe with Fenton for as long as possible. I hope Adrian Spillane is fit too for this one and gets a chance to go again to match up against the hugely experienced and athletic MDM. Bringing Mark Griffin in on MDM during the game too would be intriguing.
I get the sense management know they have to be as consistent as they can in team selections and you won’t give fella confidence if you start him one day and drop him the next. Therefore, I hope Killian Spillane gets another starting chance because it might take a consistent run of games for some fellas to find their feet and give them confidence at this level.
I’ve no doubt but we will see a whole hearted and determined performance from Kerry but it’s hard to look past a Dublin win seeing the power and experience they have to bring off the bench in the second half. Still I would be delighted if we could stay with Dublin down to the wire in this one.
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Post by egbabroad on Feb 4, 2019 12:27:59 GMT
What's the story on David Clifford?
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Post by poppy7 on Feb 4, 2019 13:49:49 GMT
Maurice Deegan the ref for Saturday night
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 4, 2019 14:03:01 GMT
It will be an interesting selection for the Dubs if everyone is available. A few guys seemed to struggle yesterday with the two Spillanes & Lyne failing to appear for the 2nd half - the idea of maybe going with Tommy Walsh inside could cause problems for Dublin as they moved Brian Fenton back on Sat night when Galway moved Flynn to the edge of the square - it could be a move from the bench as opposed to a starting role. Mark Griffin plus Jason Foley ( if match fit) could also give different options. The Sigerson games on Weds with Seán O’Shea, Killian Spillane, Graham O’Sullivan in action could have a bearing too on team selection - Seán O’Shea is being asked a lot at the moment in terms of games - hope he remains healthy.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 4, 2019 14:04:26 GMT
What's the story on David Clifford? Recovering from a recent operation, should be available for last couple of games.
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Post by gds on Feb 4, 2019 16:20:36 GMT
Hi i know this is a long shot but is there anyone with a spare ticket or season ticket for the Dublin game Sat night?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 4, 2019 17:08:41 GMT
Hi i know this is a long shot but is there anyone with a spare ticket or season ticket for the Dublin game Sat night? Tickets back on sale. You'll get them online..
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Post by buck02 on Feb 4, 2019 17:13:39 GMT
Hi i know this is a long shot but is there anyone with a spare ticket or season ticket for the Dublin game Sat night? Tickets back on sale. You'll get them online.. Tickets.ie still showing as sold out
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 4, 2019 17:35:42 GMT
Tickets back on sale. You'll get them online.. Tickets.ie still showing as sold out Apologies i was told they are back on sale again.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 4, 2019 17:40:52 GMT
I think they were very briefly on sale.
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Post by gds on Feb 5, 2019 7:31:57 GMT
Thanks anyways lads i think one will have to go without!!
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 5, 2019 7:34:32 GMT
This game is live on RTE 2.
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Post by homerj on Feb 5, 2019 8:19:18 GMT
I think they were very briefly on sale. they probably were and were all snapped up by Dubs. anybody know the capacity for the game?
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Post by buck02 on Feb 5, 2019 8:36:05 GMT
A nice new roof on the terrace that Dublin will occupy will mean out visitors wont be wet (and will be louder too). Hopefully for the rest of us on the terrace behind the dugouts it isnt raining seen as we are going to have to be there an hour beforehand.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 5, 2019 9:20:33 GMT
Wins for Mayo & Kerry would put daylight between Dublin Mayo/Kerry in the race to a top two finish. Mayo are likely to beat Cavan, losing to Dublin would see Kerry dropping out of the two on scoring averages and against the head. Long way to go however. www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2019/6157/tables/
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Post by dc84 on Feb 5, 2019 9:47:36 GMT
A win for us on Saturday would be amazing, more or less guaranting us div 1 football next year and great chance of making the final.
Unlikely enough i feel unfortunately think Dublin will be too strong around the middle and without Clifford hard to see how we will get to the 16 to 20 points that will be required. That said it will be a great occasion and will be a great chance for the newer lads on the panel like Moynihan to test themselves against the very best.
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Post by glengael on Feb 5, 2019 10:01:08 GMT
I remember being at a night game in Tralee many moons ago, maybe 2005, and the Dublin family sitting near me were saying how much they were enjoying their weekend in the Kingdom despite the fact that they held out little hope of Dublin winning the match.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 5, 2019 10:15:47 GMT
I remember being at a night game in Tralee many moons ago, maybe 2005, and the Dublin family sitting near me were saying how much they were enjoying their weekend in the Kingdom despite the fact that they held out little hope of Dublin winning the match. I think that could have been the night that Tomás was midfield and Darragh was centre back?
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