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Post by wideball on Dec 13, 2018 14:35:30 GMT
Players should be able to lead regardless of some imaginary armband
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Post by southward on Dec 13, 2018 20:18:14 GMT
Our captains the last 20yrs 98 - Seamus Moynihan 99 - John Crowley 00 - Seamus Moynihan 01 - Seamus Moynihan - default no Crokes 02 - Darragh O Sé 03 - Mike McCarthy - default no Strand Rd. 04 - Dara O Cinnedine 05 - Declan O Sullivan 06 - Declan O Sullivan 07 - Declan O Sullivan 08 - Tomás O Sé 09 - Darran O Sullivan 10 - Bryan Sheehan 11 - Colm Cooper 12 - Colm Cooper 13 - Eoin Brosnan 14 - Kieran O Leary in the absence of injured Gooch 15 - Kieran Donaghy 16 - Bryan Sheehan 17 - Johnny Buckley 18 - Shane Murphy in the absence of Fionn Fitzgerald Bar this season all excellent leaders don't see the need to change The problem here is that, from 2009 onwards, none of the incumbents, bar Gooch, has been able to command a regular place. Last year's captain wasn't even making the panel and at times we seemed to be having a different leader every game. This just devalues the captaincy and brings the process into disrepute. It wasn't such an issue in previous eras when, for whatever reason, the captain was almost always an established regular. Perhaps, to an extent, it's a product of the 21-man games and 40-man squads we have nowadays.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 13, 2018 20:51:24 GMT
Do Crokes have a responsibility to pick a non-Crokes player here?!?
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 13, 2018 21:14:14 GMT
Do Crokes have a responsibility to pick a non-Crokes player here?!? Unlikely they will tbh.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 13, 2018 21:17:08 GMT
Our captains the last 20yrs 98 - Seamus Moynihan 99 - John Crowley 00 - Seamus Moynihan 01 - Seamus Moynihan - default no Crokes 02 - Darragh O Sé 03 - Mike McCarthy - default no Strand Rd. 04 - Dara O Cinnedine 05 - Declan O Sullivan 06 - Declan O Sullivan 07 - Declan O Sullivan 08 - Tomás O Sé 09 - Darran O Sullivan 10 - Bryan Sheehan 11 - Colm Cooper 12 - Colm Cooper 13 - Eoin Brosnan 14 - Kieran O Leary in the absence of injured Gooch 15 - Kieran Donaghy 16 - Bryan Sheehan 17 - Johnny Buckley 18 - Shane Murphy in the absence of Fionn Fitzgerald Bar this season all excellent leaders don't see the need to change Nice compilation there of past captains there’s a few there that weren’t making the starting lineup and seriously would not have been the players nor the managers first choice . There s some excellent players there but they were not always the best option for captain at that particular time . For a manager having his field general lead with the platform of captaincy is a vital tool imagine telling Joe Smidth “ sorry Joe you can’t pick the captain it could be picked by some club chairman somewhere in the wilds of the four provinces but if that guys doesn’t make the cut through loss of form or injury don’t worry joe we will randomly find you another captain from some neighboring club provided he is good enough to make your team Joe “ Hope your true warriors and leaders won’t mind it’s not a big deal as we have never had any issue with this before “ sure won’t it be grand” Very true. I may be wrong but i think Bryan Sheehan was actually supposed to be the captain in 2007 but it just ended up being Declan O Sullivan by the time the championship came around. Looking here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kerry_senior_Gaelic_football_team_captainsThere was actually 3 different captains during the 2009 championship.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Dec 13, 2018 22:20:04 GMT
Do Crokes have a responsibility to pick a non-Crokes player here?!? From what I recently read quoting Micheal Burns, is there a chance he would turn down the captaincy? Maybe the other players might follow suit? Then Dr. Crokes nominate Paul Geaney as none of their own players want it. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 13, 2018 23:58:59 GMT
AFL is a far greater threat to Kerry football than who captains in a given year. We lose the kerryness that goes in to winning one whenever it happens if we become sterile in our approach to winning Sam.
If the Crokes players don't want it this year give it to Paul Geaney.....................
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 14, 2018 1:08:51 GMT
Wow these last 20 posts or so have shown me even more than I thought how absolutely chaotic this whole captaincy thing has been sounds like to me it’s a nightmare for the management! One Poster said a big problem has been captains not making the game day squad, another said we often have multiple captains in the same year , another saying many players don’t want to be captain probably because they know in their heart that they are way less suitable than others on the panel Now fellas are looking for Croke’s to off load their option to another club it’s a joke of a set up really is . The uncertainty the vagueness the sensitivity of this system brings ? In the white heat of championship a team needs assurance, Leadership routine and certainty
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 14, 2018 10:27:08 GMT
P Galvin was the captain in his annus horribilis.
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Post by taibhse on Dec 15, 2018 11:14:10 GMT
I understand that Peter Keane has informed the entire selected panel that he expects them to join up and train with the group immediately. This would be a different approach to previous managers and would be of concern to the clubs left in the All Ireland club championships – Crokes, Kilcummin and Beaufort. I can’t see the Croke’s lads complying with that. The obvious question is what he will do if they remain with the club?
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Post by Premier on Dec 15, 2018 11:56:49 GMT
I understand that Peter Keane has informed the entire selected panel that he expects them to join up and train with the group immediately. This would be a different approach to previous managers and would be of concern to the clubs left in the All Ireland club championships – Crokes, Kilcummin and Beaufort. I can’t see the Croke’s lads complying with that. The obvious question is what he will do if they remain with the club? It wouldn’t really affect too many from those clubs though will it, Crokes only have Burns, Murphy, White and maybe Potts. Kilcummin only have Kevin McCarthy. I wouldn’t have heard of any Beaufort players being on the panel
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 15, 2018 13:04:14 GMT
I understand that Peter Keane has informed the entire selected panel that he expects them to join up and train with the group immediately. This would be a different approach to previous managers and would be of concern to the clubs left in the All Ireland club championships – Crokes, Kilcummin and Beaufort. I can’t see the Croke’s lads complying with that. The obvious question is what he will do if they remain with the club? In my view he is right, Getting the crokes lads back in March is far to late. He wants to get his ideas across now and not in spring. Pat O Shea can surely understand that.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 15, 2018 15:02:08 GMT
The na Piarsaigh crew found it hard to break back into the Limerick team last year after their exploits v Cuala. Even Shane Dowling did.
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Post by Deise Exile on Dec 17, 2018 20:57:33 GMT
Surely David Shaw and Tony Brosnan are part of the Kerry squad
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 17, 2018 22:02:39 GMT
Surely David Shaw and Tony Brosnan are part of the Kerry squad I believe they are to be sure.
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Post by glengael on Dec 18, 2018 10:55:19 GMT
P Galvin was the captain in his annus horribilis. In theory but not in practice after the Munster semi-final.
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Post by southward on Jan 9, 2019 22:39:09 GMT
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 10, 2019 2:36:03 GMT
The Captaincy issue continues to be a thorn in our side one that no manager would ever want . If the CB are serious about backing their manager then they should let him and his management team pick the man they feel will lead the team into battle . The CB went to the clubs and asked them would it be ok if we removed one of their powers over team selection . Now that was fairly meek and very predictable. Hence we have the uncertainty at present and into the foreseeable future . I’m sure Peter will see this mess as just another challenge and get on with it Just not ideal no way .
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Post by oldschool on Jan 11, 2019 16:42:14 GMT
At a great risk of ridicule and anger being heaped on me I make this comment . It may sound stomach churning but it's meant in a good spirit. Get a video of Dublin's last few wins and copy their game plan, their kickout, their point scoring, and their general movement. Add our own skills and speed. Well!!!!!! I'm waiting for it to start.🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 11, 2019 18:44:33 GMT
At a great risk of ridicule and anger being heaped on me I make this comment . It may sound stomach churning but it's meant in a good spirit. Get a video of Dublin's last few wins and copy their game plan, their kickout, their point scoring, and their general movement. Add our own skills and speed. Well!!!!!! I'm waiting for it to start.🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐🏐 I doubt very many will say anything about Dublin other than they are a fantastic side who continue to adapt and evolve.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 11, 2019 18:50:33 GMT
Big thing is, What can we learn from them
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jan 11, 2019 22:43:47 GMT
Far more important than the captain would be the establishment of a leadership group of about 5 senior players. This group can be the conduit between the players and PK/management team in both directions.
The captain should be part of the group, obviously, but the focus on team leadership can be divided among all five players.
Of course, a bit of leadership training, along with some media training wouldn't go astray either...all the way down to minor teams even.
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