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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 15:44:29 GMT
I dont think this will end well if it is true If the offensive mark becomes permanent he would be an option in around the square..
His body wasn't able for it 2 years ago.
The only reason he gets by with Rahillys is because he doesn't train most of the time
I agree - I don't think this will end well either for a guy close to 31 years of age
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 29, 2018 16:02:29 GMT
If the offensive mark becomes permanent he would be an option in around the square..
His body wasn't able for it 2 years ago.
The only reason he gets by with Rahillys is because he doesn't train most of the time
I agree - I don't think this will end well either for a guy close to 31 years of age
What happened to you previous position on this- 'fairplay to Peter Keane for have the courage to make his own decisions' Or does that only apply when it's something that you agree with?
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 29, 2018 16:44:29 GMT
I dont think this will end well if it is true If the offensive mark becomes permanent he would be an option in around the square.. It's a bit one dimensional though
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Post by abù on Nov 29, 2018 20:10:03 GMT
Is this really that big of an issue? Players are dropped from teams all the time They are usually told they are being dropped though. It seems this was an unfortunate oversight and won’t happen again. I’m sure the players involved will all receive a brief apology and it’ll blow over. Childish behavior in fairness. New season, new management, new team. No player owns the jersey, no matter how good they are. I don’t see the need for apologies.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 29, 2018 21:06:27 GMT
No harm in TW taking a look at this again. His disappearance a few years back after playing very well against Dublin in the NFL on a Saturday in Croker was very strange. He kicked a great TW type point on the night and wasn't picked thereafter in the next couple of games. It may have been a personality clash with EF at the time...
Just wondering why is BJK being penalised for being a cutting edge inter change player? He always kicks a few points when he comes in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 21:46:38 GMT
His body wasn't able for it 2 years ago.
The only reason he gets by with Rahillys is because he doesn't train most of the time
I agree - I don't think this will end well either for a guy close to 31 years of age
What happened to you previous position on this- 'fairplay to Peter Keane for have the courage to make his own decisions' Or does that only apply when it's something that you agree with? Fair play to you for monitoring my posts so closely well done I admire PK for having the courage to making some tough calls - it’s his decision re TW - I am just offering my opinion that I can’t see it working - he does not train half the time with Rahillys as his body would not cope with the rigorous training - so I can’t see how this will work with Kerry - plus being based in cork stuck in a car up and down tontraining will not be easy on the body Just offering an opinion - we are all entitled to one. Even you
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 30, 2018 7:35:59 GMT
What happened to you previous position on this- 'fairplay to Peter Keane for have the courage to make his own decisions' Or does that only apply when it's something that you agree with? Fair play to you for monitoring my posts so closely well done I admire PK for having the courage to making some tough calls - it’s his decision re TW - I am just offering my opinion that I can’t see it working - he does not train half the time with Rahillys as his body would not cope with the rigorous training - so I can’t see how this will work with Kerry - plus being based in cork stuck in a car up and down tontraining will not be easy on the body Just offering an opinion - we are all entitled to one. Even you I don’t think you understood what I said- I wasn’t questioning your right to an opinion but the consistency of said opinion. You’re either fully in favour of letting the manager do whatever he wants, like previously stated- or you are not, like stated on Tommy Walsh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 9:00:25 GMT
Just so we clear everything up for you yes fully in agreement on Peter Keane doing what he wants - that is the right of every manager surely?
I'm calling into question whether the Tommy Walsh move will be a success - one which I don't believe it will be. We have plenty of firepower in the forwards - it's in the backs and midfield is where we need to be unearthing new fellas
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 30, 2018 9:41:17 GMT
Just so we clear everything up for you yes fully in agreement on Peter Keane doing what he wants - that is the right of every manager surely? I'm calling into question whether the Tommy Walsh move will be a success - one which I don't believe it will be. We have plenty of firepower in the forwards - it's in the backs and midfield is where we need to be unearthing new fellas But you’re not fully in agreement- you are questioning it in the above. You are fully in agreement when he does something that you want him to do- like I originally pointed out.
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Post by whitefire on Dec 1, 2018 9:04:22 GMT
With Donaghy gone, Tommy Walsh deserves a chance. Imaginr if he could just give 20 mins at the end of a game, when needed. The attention he'd require could free up Clifford and Geaney. Why should Keane be criticised for looking at a Former young player of the year in preseason?
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Post by taggert on Dec 1, 2018 15:42:34 GMT
With Donaghy gone, Tommy Walsh deserves a chance. Imaginr if he could just give 20 mins at the end of a game, when needed. The attention he'd require could free up Clifford and Geaney. Why should Keane be criticised for looking at a Former young player of the year in preseason? To be fair, I'm not sure anyone in this parish is criticising Keane for looking at whoever he wants to look at. I simply think posters are opining personally on whether a player or players have what it takes to make a difference at the business end of the season - i.e. in the super 8's as opposed to the Mickey Mouse Munster Championship.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 1, 2018 17:32:42 GMT
I think its in the dna of a Kerry manager to have the option of a big man at full forward. As long as its just an option and not the only attacking option, I would be inclined to agree with it.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 1, 2018 17:33:54 GMT
are all the subs that came on in the Munster final gone now?
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 1, 2018 19:27:25 GMT
are all the subs that came on in the Munster final gone now? Kevin McCarthy, Mark Griffin & Killian Young are all still involved. Darran, Star & BJ gone.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Dec 1, 2018 21:21:07 GMT
With Donaghy gone, Tommy Walsh deserves a chance. Imaginr if he could just give 20 mins at the end of a game, when needed. The attention he'd require could free up Clifford and Geaney. Why should Keane be criticised for looking at a Former young player of the year in preseason? The games i saw in the league when Tommy came back to my eye his running technique was rigid laboured and looked very uncomfortable. Naturally given his injury, id love to see him back but i have my doubts.
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Post by pillar on Dec 2, 2018 0:36:26 GMT
They are usually told they are being dropped though. It seems this was an unfortunate oversight and won’t happen again. I’m sure the players involved will all receive a brief apology and it’ll blow over. Childish behavior in fairness. New season, new management, new team. No player owns the jersey, no matter how good they are. I don’t see the need for apologies. 👍
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Post by mossie on Dec 2, 2018 17:57:09 GMT
Did Gavin O'Brien ever play Kerry minor or under 21?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 2, 2018 21:08:04 GMT
Did Gavin O'Brien ever play Kerry minor or under 21? No
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Post by inforthebreaks on Dec 5, 2018 10:00:27 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 5, 2018 10:19:54 GMT
The first NFL team sheet will be interesting.
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Post by brigid on Dec 5, 2018 21:25:24 GMT
When I heard that Tommy Walsh was added to the panel I presumed that it ad to do with the new rules!!!!!!!!!!
Proposal 3: A clean catch inside the 45 from a ball kicked more than 20 metres in open play awarded with a mark.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 13, 2018 4:33:35 GMT
Plenty casue for optimism for 2019 with the raft of new players new management and new ideas however, retaining a regressive kerry custom of Captaincy selection . Forcing a rookie or a sub to be captain of a team that he is not suited to or quiet often simply does not want, is wrong . By virtue of a players club winning the county championship a young panelist can be catapulted into the lead role on the big day a situation that may well be a negative on the players performance and the teams chemistry. "Yerrah we know hes not the real captain " and "not the real leader" but the Charade and the fakeness of it all takes away from the INTEGRITY that s required to build intensity on the big day.This is an advantage that other teams that we play against have over us .Say for example Eoin Murchan the rookie corner back had to lead the Dubs onto croke park last september instead of the iconic Stephen Cluxton would that not be less than ideal? How about if Luke McGrath was designated captain of the Irish Rubgy team facing the all Blacks in November series in lieu of the far more suitable figure of Peter o Mahoney no disrespect to the rookie or the substitute but this is one of the controllables and we still mess it up. I know the county champions getting the captaincy is about incentive for the club competition which we need to keep healthy but nowadays the clubs can go beyond the county and thus have more incentive than they will ever get from a contrived captaincy designation. Once in a while the stars align and the best man for the Job gets the captaincy. We have had many great ones but where small margins and small percentages count so much now, why roll the dice every time ? Gambling with such a critical decision.? Maybe one time in Kerry football history we could afford to not have every pick 100% spot on and still get by and if you still think that be the case today well then happy days !!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 13, 2018 7:31:13 GMT
I agree with more or less everything you have said here on the captaincy.
Just one point- the argument about the captaincy being an incentive for teams to win a championship doesn’t hold up. Winning a championship is incentive enough
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 13, 2018 7:53:03 GMT
I agree with more or less everything you have said here on the captaincy. Just one point- the argument about the captaincy being an incentive for teams to win a championship doesn’t hold up. Winning a championship is incentive enough It is an incentive alright but perhaps not an effective one. West Kerry gave a good push in 2010 I think it was in an effort to get Marc the captaincy.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 13, 2018 11:17:39 GMT
Plenty casue for optimism for 2019 with the raft of new players new management and new ideas however, retaining a regressive kerry custom of Captaincy selection . Forcing a rookie or a sub to be captain of a team that he is not suited to or quiet often simply does not want, is wrong . By virtue of a players club winning the county championship a young panelist can be catapulted into the lead role on the big day a situation that may well be a negative on the players performance and the teams chemistry. "Yerrah we know hes not the real captain " and "not the real leader" but the Charade and the fakeness of it all takes away from the INTEGRITY that s required to build intensity on the big day.This is an advantage that other teams that we play against have over us .Say for example Eoin Murchan the rookie corner back had to lead the Dubs onto croke park last september instead of the iconic Stephen Cluxton would that not be less than ideal? How about if Luke McGrath was designated captain of the Irish Rubgy team facing the all Blacks in November series in lieu of the far more suitable figure of Peter o Mahoney no disrespect to the rookie or the substitute but this is one of the controllables and we still mess it up. I know the county champions getting the captaincy is about incentive for the club competition which we need to keep healthy but nowadays the clubs can go beyond the county and thus have more incentive than they will ever get from a contrived captaincy designation. Once in a while the stars align and the best man for the Job gets the captaincy. We have had many great ones but where small margins and small percentages count so much now, why roll the dice every time ? Gambling with such a critical decision.? Maybe one time in Kerry football history we could afford to not have every pick 100% spot on and still get by and if you still think that be the case today well then happy days !! Obviously clubs dont see the captain being key as regards winning the all ireland. It didnt matter to a large extent for a hundred years as Kerry wa THE big fish.... Kerry wont ever again be THE big fish ....unless they split up Dublin. I wonder what Peter Keane makes of it all. Jackie Tyrrell was made captain as a rookie... it totally messed up his head that year...he felt a fraud and unworthy of it at that stage of his career. Hard to take Kerry seriously as contenders with this type of thing happening in this day and age.
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Post by Fado on Dec 13, 2018 11:40:55 GMT
No player is forced to take the captaincy and the club can nominate from another whether they have a player on the panel or not. Is this a correct assumption?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 13, 2018 12:14:53 GMT
I agree with more or less everything you have said here on the captaincy. Just one point- the argument about the captaincy being an incentive for teams to win a championship doesn’t hold up. Winning a championship is incentive enough It is an incentive alright but perhaps not an effective one. West Kerry gave a good push in 2010 I think it was in an effort to get Marc the captaincy. But I would really doubt Crokes gave a monkeys about it this year- they would have been focused on winning county & provincial championships. I’d say the captaincy wasn’t even mentioned
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Post by lár na páirce on Dec 13, 2018 12:59:57 GMT
Our captains the last 20yrs
98 - Seamus Moynihan 99 - John Crowley 00 - Seamus Moynihan 01 - Seamus Moynihan - default no Crokes 02 - Darragh O Sé 03 - Mike McCarthy - default no Strand Rd. 04 - Dara O Cinnedine 05 - Declan O Sullivan 06 - Declan O Sullivan 07 - Declan O Sullivan 08 - Tomás O Sé 09 - Darran O Sullivan 10 - Bryan Sheehan 11 - Colm Cooper 12 - Colm Cooper 13 - Eoin Brosnan 14 - Kieran O Leary in the absence of injured Gooch 15 - Kieran Donaghy 16 - Bryan Sheehan 17 - Johnny Buckley 18 - Shane Murphy in the absence of Fionn Fitzgerald
Bar this season all excellent leaders don't see the need to change
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 13, 2018 13:14:31 GMT
It is an incentive alright but perhaps not an effective one. West Kerry gave a good push in 2010 I think it was in an effort to get Marc the captaincy. But I would really doubt Crokes gave a monkeys about it this year- they would have been focused on winning county & provincial championships. I’d say the captaincy wasn’t even mentioned I wouldn't dispute that. However I wouldn't say neither that it is never an incentive.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 13, 2018 14:02:28 GMT
Our captains the last 20yrs 98 - Seamus Moynihan 99 - John Crowley 00 - Seamus Moynihan 01 - Seamus Moynihan - default no Crokes 02 - Darragh O Sé 03 - Mike McCarthy - default no Strand Rd. 04 - Dara O Cinnedine 05 - Declan O Sullivan 06 - Declan O Sullivan 07 - Declan O Sullivan 08 - Tomás O Sé 09 - Darran O Sullivan 10 - Bryan Sheehan 11 - Colm Cooper 12 - Colm Cooper 13 - Eoin Brosnan 14 - Kieran O Leary in the absence of injured Gooch 15 - Kieran Donaghy 16 - Bryan Sheehan 17 - Johnny Buckley 18 - Shane Murphy in the absence of Fionn Fitzgerald Bar this season all excellent leaders don't see the need to change Nice compilation there of past captains there’s a few there that weren’t making the starting lineup and seriously would not have been the players nor the managers first choice . There s some excellent players there but they were not always the best option for captain at that particular time . For a manager having his field general lead with the platform of captaincy is a vital tool imagine telling Joe Smidth “ sorry Joe you can’t pick the captain it could be picked by some club chairman somewhere in the wilds of the four provinces but if that guys doesn’t make the cut through loss of form or injury don’t worry joe we will randomly find you another captain from some neighboring club provided he is good enough to make your team Joe “ Hope your true warriors and leaders won’t mind it’s not a big deal as we have never had any issue with this before “ sure won’t it be grand”
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