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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 22, 2018 6:38:16 GMT
People are missing the point here- it’s the non stop provocation before the red that is the issue. It needs to be stamped out- if you have a lad shouting in your face and hitting you off the ball non stop then you’ll eventually crack.
This only really happens to the most skilful players and if it isn’t stopped then they will be driven out of the game. If I was Clifford- I’d f*ck off to Oz rather than having to deal with this sh*t for 2 weekends in a row. It was open season on him for the last 2 weekends and not a thing was done to stop it.
I know people will say that good players have to expect some special treatment- and that’s fine to happen within game but not constantly off the ball.
At a very basic level- it’s outside the rules of the game- at a another level it brings the game into disrepute as it’s against the spirit/ethics of the game.
If your response is “he’ll have to get over it” or “I’ve seen much worse” or “back in my day it was different” - then don’t bother as you’re missing the point
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Post by pillar on Oct 22, 2018 7:13:55 GMT
People are missing the point here- it’s the non stop provocation before the red that is the issue. It needs to be stamped out- if you have a lad shouting in your face and hitting you off the ball non stop then you’ll eventually crack. This only really happens to the most skilful players and if it isn’t stopped then they will be driven out of the game. If I was Clifford- I’d f*ck off to Oz rather than having to deal with this sh*t for 2 weekends in a row. It was open season on him for the last 2 weekends and not a thing was done to stop it. I know people will say that good players have to expect some special treatment- and that’s fine to happen within game but not constantly off the ball. At a very basic level- it’s outside the rules of the game- at a another level it brings the game into disrepute as it’s against the spirit/ethics of the game. If your response is “he’ll have to get over it” or “I’ve seen much worse” or “back in my day it was different” - then don’t bother as you’re missing the point Have you watched the Ozzie Rules? There's a huge physicality to it and even more sledging.The incident happened right in front of me.DC was dispossessed fairly and his man just walked back towards him,albeit a little proudly.There was no word passed.He must eliminate this from his game cos he doesn't need to do it.He can embarrass any defender with his skills.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 22, 2018 7:38:31 GMT
People are missing the point here- it’s the non stop provocation before the red that is the issue. It needs to be stamped out- if you have a lad shouting in your face and hitting you off the ball non stop then you’ll eventually crack. This only really happens to the most skilful players and if it isn’t stopped then they will be driven out of the game. If I was Clifford- I’d f*ck off to Oz rather than having to deal with this sh*t for 2 weekends in a row. It was open season on him for the last 2 weekends and not a thing was done to stop it. I know people will say that good players have to expect some special treatment- and that’s fine to happen within game but not constantly off the ball. At a very basic level- it’s outside the rules of the game- at a another level it brings the game into disrepute as it’s against the spirit/ethics of the game. If your response is “he’ll have to get over it” or “I’ve seen much worse” or “back in my day it was different” - then don’t bother as you’re missing the point Have you watched the Ozzie Rules? There's a huge physicality to it and even more sledging.The incident happened right in front of me.DC was dispossessed fairly and his man just walked back towards him,albeit a little proudly.There was no word passed.He must eliminate this from his game cos he doesn't need to do it.He can embarrass any defender with his skills. So you think this was an unprovoked attack? Nonsense- Dingle had a clear plan to provoke and “bring an edge” on both days- which as usual spilled over into trampish behaviour
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Post by pillar on Oct 22, 2018 8:02:46 GMT
Have you watched the Ozzie Rules? There's a huge physicality to it and even more sledging.The incident happened right in front of me.DC was dispossessed fairly and his man just walked back towards him,albeit a little proudly.There was no word passed.He must eliminate this from his game cos he doesn't need to do it.He can embarrass any defender with his skills. So you think this was an unprovoked attack? Nonsense- Dingle had a clear plan to provoke and “bring an edge” on both days- which as usual spilled over into trampish behaviour In this incident ,yes,but overall of course there was.Anyone can see it.My point tho is he must rise above it and not engage in it himself.Hes too good for that.
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 22, 2018 8:30:47 GMT
Have you watched the Ozzie Rules? There's a huge physicality to it and even more sledging.The incident happened right in front of me.DC was dispossessed fairly and his man just walked back towards him,albeit a little proudly.There was no word passed.He must eliminate this from his game cos he doesn't need to do it.He can embarrass any defender with his skills. So you think this was an unprovoked attack? Nonsense- Dingle had a clear plan to provoke and “bring an edge” on both days- which as usual spilled over into trampish behaviour As i've said before Dingle are no angels and never have been. At times they seemed more interested in getting Clifford sent off than actually playing
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Post by Fado on Oct 22, 2018 8:59:45 GMT
I now know it was only a side show but still no mention of the football played.
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Post by goonised on Oct 22, 2018 9:03:41 GMT
No but who ever gave instructions for East kerry manager to be removed. Specsavers should be worth a visit. Ref and the 4th official yesterday only pair of officials up to speed.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 22, 2018 9:21:09 GMT
So you think this was an unprovoked attack? Nonsense- Dingle had a clear plan to provoke and “bring an edge” on both days- which as usual spilled over into trampish behaviour In this incident ,yes,but overall of course there was.Anyone can see it.My point tho is he must rise above it and not engage in it himself.Hes too good for that. He doesnt need to rise above it though- it's outside the rules and needs to be not be ignored by linesmen, umpires and the ref
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Post by john4 on Oct 22, 2018 9:32:11 GMT
David Clifford is a rare talent, but he has shown in his short time playing senior football that he will react, and explosively, in a similar way to Diarmuid Connelly/Paul Galvin. Once that Jeannie is out of the bottle it's very hard to put it back.
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Post by dc84 on Oct 22, 2018 9:45:47 GMT
First of all those scenes are disgraceful and should be dealt with very firmly by the cb. I didnt see thee game but one stat that stood out was tom sullivan kicking 5 points where was he playing half back ? Think he might be wasted at corner back for kerry
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Post by maryo on Oct 22, 2018 9:49:00 GMT
People are missing the point here- it’s the non stop provocation before the red that is the issue. It needs to be stamped out- if you have a lad shouting in your face and hitting you off the ball non stop then you’ll eventually crack. This only really happens to the most skilful players and if it isn’t stopped then they will be driven out of the game. If I was Clifford- I’d f*ck off to Oz rather than having to deal with this sh*t for 2 weekends in a row. It was open season on him for the last 2 weekends and not a thing was done to stop it. I know people will say that good players have to expect some special treatment- and that’s fine to happen within game but not constantly off the ball. At a very basic level- it’s outside the rules of the game- at a another level it brings the game into disrepute as it’s against the spirit/ethics of the game. If your response is “he’ll have to get over it” or “I’ve seen much worse” or “back in my day it was different” - then don’t bother as you’re missing the point Have you watched the Ozzie Rules? There's a huge physicality to it and even more sledging.The incident happened right in front of me.DC was dispossessed fairly and his man just walked back towards him,albeit a little proudly.There was no word passed.He must eliminate this from his game cos he doesn't need to do it.He can embarrass any defender with his skills. I was at the match and clearly saw Dingle player mouthing , it has to be stamped out. It is a clear black card in the rules. Referees not punishing the instigators.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 22, 2018 10:01:29 GMT
So, which of the two tourist towns will win the final? Will O'Connor seek a dispensation to play in the final?
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Post by himself on Oct 22, 2018 10:01:50 GMT
I was at the match as well, that incident was right in front of me (I was in the left hand side of the stand) and the Dingle player was not mouthing at David. The punch was obvious frustration and nothing else. David is a super talent and a very nice guy off the field, but he and he alone must take responsibility for that incident. He had slipped after getting possession, was tackled, and spilled the ball - I actually thought he fouled it on the ground with his hand. Dingle gathered up the ball. David, quite clearly frustrated, got up and punched the defender straight in the face. Incidentally,I was supporting East Kerry yesterday. I don't actually know what kicked off that melee near the dugouts, too far away and too congested for me to make out. Paudie's red card was for a foul in the Dingle defence; I don't see how it instigated a melee 40 yards away. But Kerry's Eye, The Kerryman, and Kerry Radio had all criticised the number of mentors on the sidelines from the previous week. That to me is an obvious problem that needs sorting out
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Post by Joxer on Oct 22, 2018 10:14:19 GMT
Completely agree re. the need for stamping out goading. I didn't think the refereeing was particularly good yesterday. Lots of unnecessary niggle from the start and not stamped out. That having been said, Dingle were by far the better football team on the day. Paul Geaney was excellent with Mikey not too far behind him. Tom O'Sullivan scored 5 pts and 1 of those could/should have been a goal. Too many men behind the ball as is usual these days but Dingle made far better use of the ball. I think they'll more that trouble Crokes.
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 22, 2018 10:32:34 GMT
Lads, unfortunately, like it or not sledging has become part of the modern game & its going to be impossible to get rid of it. I've seen mentors & parents inciting it on the sideline all over the county at underage games. The majority of these people wouldnt or have never kicked snow off a rope & are only involved because their kids are playing. These people dont tend to be involved at senior level so you'd expect better from grown men in senior championship games but unfortunately its coming up from underage level & not being stopped. The Kerry County Board also have a major problem with the positioning of the dugouts in ASP & they dont seem to be addressing it. You have too many people in the one place who get fired up when something happens on the pitch & in fairness to the officials its impossible to pick out the culprits in a mass brawl. If you had less numbers on the sideline the culprits would be more easily identified. All you hear after is how did he pick this fellow or that fellow out when there was some other fellow that did something 10 times worse & got away with it. If the CCCC are doing their job right they'll look at the footage & hand out the proper suspensions - & from what I've seen on social media there will be a few other subs & mentors sweating this morning. If they dont sort out the dugout problem then its only a mater of time before someone gets seriously injured & they have a legal case on their hands. Hopefully someone in the county board gets sense this week & puts the subs & hangerson from both sides into two separate sections of the stand on Sunday. Its not rocket science to have a mentor with a mobile phone on the other side of the pitch so that the manager can give him instructions when he's going on & hopefully ASP will have solved the problem by the time the National League starts. On the basis of the past few weeks its odds on that we'll have another issue on Sunday if its left the same way.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Oct 22, 2018 11:32:22 GMT
As people ave rightly pointed out the positioning of the dugouts in ASP has been a problem for years. Things get tetchy at times in the inter county games there not to mind club level.
Te problem with putting subs in the stand is they would be on the other side of the pitch to where the dug outs are. You could move the dug outs to the stand side but, then you would be blocking the view for the bottom rows of seats.
You could dig down as they used have them in Fitzgerald stadium. I think there was issues with the drainage in ASP so i don't know what the solution is.
Then again there is no dugout in Croke Park really only the pitchside seats. No matter what happens all that should be inside the wire is the manner, runner and 2 selectors max. And the physio as well.
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Post by whacker on Oct 22, 2018 11:33:33 GMT
Paudi Clifford was sent off for a full force kick on a dingle player and David Clifford was sent off for striking a dingle defender which resulted in him getting stitches but people seem to think dingle were the dirty team,I don't think the even got a yellow but I could b wrong . The week before the gooch slapped something out of the refs hand and barely gets a mention in the press or social media . No mention of how well dingle played the last two weeks or how the ref robbed KOR the week before . The press sure have their favourites .
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 22, 2018 11:50:08 GMT
There seems to be a trend here where the officials are blamed for the brawls over the last couple of weeks..... this is madness. The players, coaches and team mentors are the ones doing the striking and brawling. To blame the officials is just looking for a soft target. I wasn’t at the first game last week but by all accounts the ref wasn’t great. Fair enough, but, is that a reason for teams to go all in against each other?? If that was the case there’d be a lot more brawls. I was on the terrace side for yesterday’s match, I was a bit away from the skirmish but there’s no way you can blame any of the officials for it. Dingle had far too many on the line and sure enough it was right in front of their dugout that it erupted. I thought the officials did a good job overall yesterday. Yes, there was some off the ball stuff going on but the linesmen were shouting onto the players involved and brought a few incidents to the referees attention. I thought Paul Hayes had a very good game in fairness. I didn’t see what David Clifford was sent off for so can’t comment on that. If it was a reaction to goading, then he needs to be smarter than that! On the game itself I felt Dingle were the far superior team with P Geaney, M Geaney and Tom O’Sullivan particularly effective. The Dingle official who struck Darragh Moynihan (from what I saw on Twitter) should get a hefty ban for that. No place for that in our games. It was a cheap shot and a cowardly act.
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Post by goonised on Oct 22, 2018 12:07:03 GMT
Is it clear on the footage of a strike by dingle mentor. East kerry manager was the most hard done by .
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 22, 2018 12:19:17 GMT
Strike wasn’t visible on the footage but it showed him running out of shot then you hear the crowd roar and when camera pans it shows him kinda recoiling like you would after swinging and the east Kerry lad hitting the deck. Then Paudie Clifford goes straight for him. In fairness, it happened right in front of the referee so it was a simple call I’d say. I didn’t see the East Kerry manager do anything in fairness.
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Post by yerah on Oct 22, 2018 12:36:05 GMT
This is going to drag on
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Post by yerah on Oct 22, 2018 12:40:36 GMT
Strike wasn’t visible on the footage but it showed him running out of shot then you hear the crowd roar and when camera pans it shows him kinda recoiling like you would after swinging and the east Kerry lad hitting the deck. Then Paudie Clifford goes straight for him. In fairness, it happened right in front of the referee so it was a simple call I’d say. I didn’t see the East Kerry manager do anything in fairness. Very visible actually in the video above.
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Post by cornerflag on Oct 22, 2018 12:59:05 GMT
i missed the game yesterday so i'm not going to comment on the brawl. I hope the CB have the guts to really look at thet video footage and listen to independent people that actually saw what happened. It's a shame that the whole country is talking about our county championship not because of skill or potential all Ireland winning teams but because of the thuggery and poor refereeing. Its time to stamnp this out
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 22, 2018 13:14:29 GMT
If anyone knows Ross O'Carroll-Kelly; the father would be heard shouting from the terraces:
"HAVE WE BECOME TYRONE ALL OF A SUDDEN?!?"
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Post by maryo on Oct 22, 2018 13:22:05 GMT
If anyone knows Ross O'Carroll-Kelly; the father would be heard shouting from the terraces: "HAVE WE BECOME TYRONE ALL OF A SUDDEN?!?" Check out OffTheBall’s Tweet:
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Post by homerj on Oct 22, 2018 13:22:20 GMT
ive the utmost admiration for dingle as a club but i have to say, their behaviour last week and this week, is a sad indictment of their club.
that video is shameful as was there witch hunt against the ref last week. weve a serious problem in GAA now with brawling and ref abuse, county board needs to step in urgently.
youd expect a 1-2 year ban is coming and i think its time a letter was sent out to all clubs urgently about player and officials behaviour.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 22, 2018 13:40:41 GMT
Strike wasn’t visible on the footage but it showed him running out of shot then you hear the crowd roar and when camera pans it shows him kinda recoiling like you would after swinging and the east Kerry lad hitting the deck. Then Paudie Clifford goes straight for him. In fairness, it happened right in front of the referee so it was a simple call I’d say. I didn’t see the East Kerry manager do anything in fairness. Very visible actually in the video above. 100% ... that’s a new angle. It just wasn’t visible on the original video doing the rounds but that is very clear. He’s well known as well so can expect a long ban. Very clear from this that he struck out without provocation.
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Post by goonised on Oct 22, 2018 14:17:58 GMT
Yes it's clear but still only 8 week suspension. Same as a former intercounty manager earlier this year. Did row start over a line ball? . Again I go back to linesmen and there record of having been on duty for many games where there is chaos
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 22, 2018 14:44:07 GMT
Potential scenario: Kerry are playing Dublin next year and Philly/Johnny cooper spend the whole game hitting Clifford or Geaney off the ball. I would bet every cent I have that we’d be up in arms over it and calling them all the names under the sun.
You either have principles or you don’t
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Post by whacker on Oct 22, 2018 14:53:41 GMT
Potential scenario: Kerry are playing Dublin next year and Philly/Johnny cooper spend the whole game hitting Clifford or Geaney off the ball. I would bet every cent I have that we’d be up in arms over it and calling them all the names under the sun. You either have principles or you don’t And when the Kerry backs done it to Murphy in 2014 all Ireland final they were praised on this forum,hypocrisy at its finest
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