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Post by Fado on Oct 22, 2018 15:28:34 GMT
Never let a discussion on football get in the way of a discussion on wilful violence. If players/officials ended up in court for assault, they would soon get the message.
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Post by glengael on Oct 22, 2018 15:31:58 GMT
I haven't been at any of 3 semi-finals owing to work and will not now be wasting my time going to the Final. If this is what Club/Divisional Football in Kerry is all about now, then you're welcome to it.
It's a time when the news and images emerging from this County should be positive, on the back of an unprecedented run of underage success, fulsome tributes to players retiring and a new senior management team in place for a fresh start in 2019. Instead we have footage like that shown above and words like 'sledging/mouthing off' and 'provocation' cropping up as excuses for thuggery and violence on the field and on the sideline.
If this carry on is the optimum result of the minsdet of players, management, officials and hangers-on in Kerry now, then they should be ashamed of themselves. It is pathetic to see grown me behaving like that. A visit to the District Court and the appropriate sanction for all of those involved would be a good start. It is not the fault of the officials or those commenting on radio Kerry. It is players and officials and managers who create the problem by Choosing to act in this way.
In the future there needs to be enforcement of strict guidelines for the numbers allowed on the sideline. If that number is exceeded, then the game should be forfeit immediately by the offending team and if both sides exceed the quota, both should be thrown out of whatever competition it is. That might wake clubs/teams up a small bit.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 22, 2018 15:38:26 GMT
Yes it's clear but still only 8 week suspension. Same as a former intercounty manager earlier this year. Did row start over a line ball? . Again I go back to linesmen and there record of having been on duty for many games where there is chaos Examples? How did the linesmen contribute to this? That’s the most ridiculous statement!
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Post by goonised on Oct 22, 2018 15:52:56 GMT
Got wrong man sent to stand yesterday
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 22, 2018 16:04:03 GMT
Stacks park earlier this year intermediate game. Carnage. St Marys county league game this year Brian Sheehan sent off for nothing. Kerry v Cork u17 munster final in 2017, same venue, a free for all in front of the same dugouts,Tommy griffin gets suspended as well as a Cork player, it’s the same problem & still not addressed or solved by the CB. I can only wait for it to kick off again next Sunday & all the stewards or officials in kerry won’t prevent it if they leave 40 people over on the sideline. As someone has already mentioned above, maybe a day in court for a few fellows or a hefty legal case might make the heros think twice.
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Post by himself on Oct 22, 2018 16:31:38 GMT
In fairness, Tommy was cited but was totally cleared on video evidence at his hearing. One Cork and one Kerry player received a one game suspension.
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Post by Corner Back on Oct 22, 2018 16:44:56 GMT
E15 was too much into a replay. It was E15 for two semi finals the previous week.
Only one ticket van in operation led to game being delayed by 10 minutes.
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Post by piggott on Oct 22, 2018 16:48:49 GMT
Dugouts have to be closed. Subs should be in stand same as Fitz Stadium.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 22, 2018 17:49:25 GMT
Stacks park earlier this year intermediate game. Carnage. St Marys county league game this year Brian Sheehan sent off for nothing. Mitchels vs Ardfert? Yeah must have been the linesman’s fault. I was at that game and it was bubbling under for a long time before it spilled over. Are you saying that was the refs fault or the linesman’s fault? sheehan getting sent off I can’t comment on as I wasn’t there so wouldn’t have a clue but I’m sure you’re right, he was sent off for nothing! Do you actually read what you type??
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Post by tman59 on Oct 22, 2018 17:55:01 GMT
The brawl was completely Paul Hayes and the officials fault. The game should of been stopped when the incident happened between the 21 and 45. The lines man actually ran through the players to the incident while the game was being played. Why didn’t Paul Hayes stop it??
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Post by buck02 on Oct 22, 2018 17:59:24 GMT
On the main topic of the violence, here's my twopence worth.
David Clifford was disposed on the Dingle 21 and got a push in the chest from (the excellent) Mathew Flaherty which resulted in about 10 lads becoming involved in a scrap. It was for an incident during this that Paudie got sent off for.
Amazingly Paul Hayes left play go on while even more amazingly his two linesmen left their posts and ran in to try break up the initial fight! Tom Sullivan ran the ball out of play under pressure from Sherwood in front of the Dingle dugout. Sherwood pushed Tom towards the dugout and then all hell broke loose.
The Dingle mentor who was sent to the stand ended up on the ground during this melee. It looked to me like another Dingle mentor then threw a punch at Dara Moynihan who was not getting involved in the melee.
When it eventually all settled down, Dingle were awarded the line ball! This was because the linesman who left his post. I also believe the two managers who were sent off were wronged.
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Post by fivenarow on Oct 22, 2018 18:04:35 GMT
The brawl was completely Paul Hayes and the officials fault. The game should of been stopped when the incident happened between the 21 and 45. The lines man actually ran through the players to the incident while the game was being played. Why didn’t Paul Hayes stop it?? That’s a bit unfair in fairness to Paul Hayes . Yeah, I thought that he should have stopped it too but you can’t blame him for other people’s actions - the person being highlighted throwing the punch wasn’t even playing so it’s not like he was being provoked beforehand. Diarmuid Murphy was standing next to him & he left them at it. It was just on the six o clock news so we’re on for the wrong reasons again.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 22, 2018 18:09:33 GMT
And on the game itself.
Dingle were very good but East Kerry were poor in every line of the pitch really.
Paul Geaney goals were brilliant but some of the defending in the first half by East Kerry was woeful. They were just as bad in midfield. They could not win their own kickouts. They often took wrong decisions up front, most notably when Evan Cronin should have passed to Paudie Clifford for a goal when it would have got East Kerry into the game.
Dingle were tigerish in defence. Their goalkeeper had a great game (Peter Keane could do worse than having a good look at him). Barry Dan was good midfield. The two Geaneys and Tomas Sheehy to the fore up front. Mathew Flaherty played his role superbly.
Paul Geaney was obviously MOTM and has shown form in the last month that deserted him during the summer. There isn't a back in Kerry that will hold him at the moment so it will be interesting to see what Pat O Shea does with him next Sunday.
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Post by veteran on Oct 22, 2018 19:57:34 GMT
I missed the game in Tralee yesterday because I choose to go to see the St. Senans /Listowel match. However , I am not a bit surprised at what transpired. I commented after the drawn match on the nastiness which pervaded that entire game , with the negative attitude of the players compounded by poor refereeing. I often wonder why fellows play football nowadays. For many it seems to have become an unpleasant chore rather than a hobby. The interesting thing is that years ago it was hurling that tended to be played in a more thuggish fashion. It appears that in recent times hurling is played in a more civilised fashion than football with the hurlers seeming to take a pride in their game. A lot of footballers seem to have little or no pride in their game.
It is not the first time I have been ashamed of what has happened on Kerry football fields. “ The home of football “ and “ The Kerry way” and “ We are Kerry “ are meaningless and paradoxical expressions when we read about and witness these acts of savagery.. Is this the approach needed as we try to reassert our supremacy in 2019? It is scarcely calculated to forge a unity of purpose in our bid to regain the Sam Maguire. The fact that this faction fighting takes place in fields all over Ireland is not our immediate problem.
Our problem is what happens within our house. Nothimg should be allowed happen within our house to sully the Kerry brand which has been hard earned over decades and nothing should be allowed happen which impedes our ability to regain our preeminence in the game we once loved and hope to love again. It is up to Kerry County Board to deal with these incidents mercilessly and to punish the pygmies , who for short term gain, would besmirch the deeds of Kerry giants over the past one hundred years. I await.
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Post by playitfair on Oct 22, 2018 20:03:43 GMT
Fully agree with veteran. I was disgusted with the fight. For people to come on here and blame the ref. Get real.
There should be no place for this in our game. Time for our officials to prove that this has no part in our game.
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Post by Hicser on Oct 22, 2018 20:17:04 GMT
Hi All, there are some seriously flawed arguments being made on this thread today. This behavior is not tolerated in any other sport I know. That we as a society allow it to happen is horrendous. The correct course of action is for the Gardai to intervene and prosecute those involved. Someone is going to get badly hurt, then these idiots will be scratching their heads as to what happened our games. As a Kerryman I’m ashamed of what I saw, the only hope is that the CB will take the appropriate action. Both Dingle & East Kerry should be thrown out of the championship, their teams heavily fined, players suspended regardless of who they are, finally the Gardai to charge those who were inflicting assault,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 20:38:06 GMT
The lack of comment from the county board and dingle says it all.
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Post by mossie on Oct 22, 2018 21:35:13 GMT
every brawl or melee is now recorded on a smartphone and gone viral in jig time
I don't believe discipline is much worse now or maybe not even worse at all than in the past but it is just everything goes out now on social media
most of the skirmishes are pushing and shoving with the odd punch thrown, look worse than they are. unsavoury, shouldnt happen, suspensions should be handed out but lets not go into overdrive on the state of the game in Kerry owing to a few recent bust ups
people wanted a bit of bite to come back into the county championship, it certainly is now
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Post by Control5 on Oct 22, 2018 21:56:31 GMT
Can we move on now and discuss the final.
Its not on to be offering opinions as to which mentor might or might not have thrown a punch. I have deleted a few posts.
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Post by goonised on Oct 22, 2018 22:06:01 GMT
Stacks park earlier this year intermediate game. Carnage. St Marys county league game this year Brian Sheehan sent off for nothing. Mitchels vs Ardfert? Yeah must have been the linesman’s fault. I was at that game and it was bubbling under for a long time before it spilled over. Are you saying that was the refs fault or the linesman’s fault? sheehan getting sent off I can’t comment on as I wasn’t there so wouldn’t have a clue but I’m sure you’re right, he was sent off for nothing! Do you actually read what you type?? My point is why does brawls bewildering decisions unbelievable time keeping bizarre issuing of cards follow the linesmen from yesterday around.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2018 22:18:59 GMT
I would love to see Dingle win the final. Not that I have anything against Crokes but seldom seen in wonderful.
The records show that that won their first final in 1938 and their last in 1948. This year ends in an 8 too!
6 titles between 1938 and 1948 suggests a great team back then during the second world war.
They won the minor title a few years ago and backboned CNSs great team of a few years ago.
Like Crokes, the work was put in at under ago level and it would be nice to see it rewarded.
Mark OConnor must be feeling low this week in Australia. "Would that this was for Dingle".
Incidentally there was a news feature on TG4 last week from Dingle about the negative effects that AIRBNB is having in that families cant get houses to rent such is the attraction of letting on AIRBNB. It said that the GAA club is suffering from it at underage level as there are fewer kids in the club.
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Post by southward on Oct 22, 2018 22:21:20 GMT
Mitchels vs Ardfert? Yeah must have been the linesman’s fault. I was at that game and it was bubbling under for a long time before it spilled over. Are you saying that was the refs fault or the linesman’s fault? sheehan getting sent off I can’t comment on as I wasn’t there so wouldn’t have a clue but I’m sure you’re right, he was sent off for nothing! Do you actually read what you type?? My point is why does brawls bewildering decisions unbelievable time keeping bizarre issuing of cards follow the linesmen from yesterday around. Not sure if that's a question or an opinion. As far as I know, linesmen don't keep time, issue cards or make that many actual decisions. Not a species noted for starting brawls either.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 22, 2018 22:26:05 GMT
Kerry Footballers Back to Kerry Footballers Bill Dillon
by Weeshie Fogarty
Cooleen, on the shores of the famous Dingle bay, was the birthplace of one of Kerry's greatest halfbacks - the wonderful Bill Dillon. As a young boy in the early 20's his favourite past time was beagling, and his knowledge of the hills and mountains of the Dingle Peninsula was unrivalled. His introduction to football started when he attended Dingle CBS where Sean Brosnan, Bill Casey and Paddy Ban Brosnan, later to become household names with Dingle and Kerry. were among his classmates.
He came to the notice of the Kerry Minor selectors in 1933 and teamed up with fellow Dingle man Sean Brosnan at midfield. This partnership proved unbeatable, as Kerry sailed through the championship and defeated Mayo in the AIl Ireland Final. He was now playing great football for Dingle for a number of years, and made his senior debut for Kerry in the championship of 1937. Playing from the centre halfback position when Kerry defeated Cavan in the All Ireland final after a replay, Bill was winning his first senior AII Ireland Medal. Despite a setback in 1938 when Galway defeated Kerry after a replay in the AII Ireland Final, Bill won his first senior Co. Championship medal when Dingle made the breakthrough in Kerry. In May 1939, he toured America with the Kerry team, and on return, playing from his favored no. 5 position and wearing the Dingle colours, won his 2nd AII Ireland medal when Kerry defeated Meath.
In 1940, Bill captained Dingle to victory over Kerins O'Rahillys in the Co. final and also won his 3rd senior AII Ireland Medal when a last minute point by Charlie Sullivan clinched victory for Kerry over Galway. 1941 was probably the highlight of Bill's career, as not alone did he win his 3rd Co Championship with Dingle, but he also had the great honour of captaining Kerry to victory over Galway and bringing Sam Maguire back home to Dingle, to complete a hat - trick of AII Ireland victories for the Kingdom. 1943, and Dingle were back on the victory trail and under the captaincy of the legendary Paddy Ban, Dingle won their 4th county title and also a fourth Co. Championship medal for Bill. He played in his last All Ireland final in 1944 when Roscommon defeated Kerry in the final but had some consolation as he won his 5th County Championship medal when Dingle defeated Castleisland in the Co. final.
He retired from inter-county football after the '44 All Ireland final but continued to give sterling service to Dingle up to the early 50's. 1948 was the swansong for the magnificent Dingle team, and they went out in style when they defeated Shannon Rangers to win their 6th County Championship. Bill Dillon had been part of all these glorious successes, captaining them to victory in 1940 and also captaining Kerry to AII Ireland victory in 1941. His immense contribution as a footballer is sometimes overlooked when the great names of the 30's and 40's are recalled. He was teak tough, an exceptional high fielder, one of the few exponents of the one-handed catch and his fitness level was so high that trainer Dr. Eamon O'Sullivan often sent him home as he considered him to be super fit. When Bill retired, he returned to the hills and valleys of the Dingle Peninsula up the Conor Hill or Mount Brandon with his pack of beagles, and as he said himself, if it came to Croke Park on AII Ireland Final Day or Conor Hill with the Beagles, l would have to toss a coin to decide. By a rare coincidence, within a couple of weeks in 1979, three of Kerry's great captains, Paddy Kennedy, Sean Brosnan and Bill Dillon passed to their eternal reward.
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Post by Hicser on Oct 22, 2018 22:29:20 GMT
Can we move on now and discuss the final. Its not on to be offering opinions as to which mentor might or might not have thrown a punch. I have deleted a few posts. I can agree getting to the nitty gritty of who threw what is tedious but to stifle the argument on this topic is not right, it’s far too important. There is a GAA man from Dunboyne County Meath recovering from a bleed to his brain after an unprovoked attack while attending a champions league match in Liverpool. Fair to say there has always been trouble at soccer matches down through the years. From what we have seen all over the country the potential for someone to get seriously hurt is now present in our games. If the odd punch is somewhat acceptable and has always been there, (I don’t believe it was) maybe we should think about that GAA man and the impact on his family!
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Post by Control5 on Oct 23, 2018 7:47:11 GMT
Can we move on now and discuss the final. Its not on to be offering opinions as to which mentor might or might not have thrown a punch. I have deleted a few posts. I can agree getting to the nitty gritty of who threw what is tedious but to stifle the argument on this topic is not right, it’s far too important. There is a GAA man from Dunboyne County Meath recovering from a bleed to his brain after an unprovoked attack while attending a champions league match in Liverpool. Fair to say there has always been trouble at soccer matches down through the years. From what we have seen all over the country the potential for someone to get seriously hurt is now present in our games. If the odd punch is somewhat acceptable and has always been there, (I don’t believe it was) maybe we should think about that GAA man and the impact on his family! Its not just tedious to name those who threw punches. It is potentially libelous especially when it seems the innocent people were being named. No one condones what went on. I am trying to keep the forum from being put into "maintenance mode".
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Post by homerj on Oct 23, 2018 7:52:40 GMT
its incredible that no matter how people act, no matter what level of violence, sledging and thuggery goes on, its always the ref and officials fault.
there will come a day when GAA refs all collectively go on strike and i think its needed now, it maybe the only way for players and officials to respect them.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2018 8:12:07 GMT
its incredible that no matter how people act, no matter what level of violence, sledging and thuggery goes on, its always the ref and officials fault. there will come a day when GAA refs all collectively go on strike and i think its needed now, it maybe the only way for players and officials to respect them. is the waterboy an "official"
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Post by goonised on Oct 23, 2018 8:28:01 GMT
If anyone thinks that it will be less physical less spikey less sledging next Sunday they are in cloud cuckoo land. It will be a war. County championship at stake in wouldnt expect anything less.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 23, 2018 9:46:37 GMT
I obviously cant condone what went on on the sideline but I will say this.
There wasnt a dirty stroke pulled in the first half of the game. It was a decent game of football with Dingle mixing up their attacking play brilliantly between sending long balls into Paul Geaney and using powerful runners through the middle, aided by disciplined wing forwards who played with 'chalk on their boots'.
The primary job of the referee is to officiate the game as per the rules and protect the players on the pitch. How the hell play was allowed to go on when there were 10 fellas stuck in a fight and with Dingle in possession in their own corner back position was beyond me. Especially when he saw one of his linesmen running past him. He has to take SOME of the flak for what developed. Also, remember that one red card was issued for this incident and this was for something that happened in the initial fight.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 23, 2018 10:07:23 GMT
Mitchels vs Ardfert? Yeah must have been the linesman’s fault. I was at that game and it was bubbling under for a long time before it spilled over. Are you saying that was the refs fault or the linesman’s fault? sheehan getting sent off I can’t comment on as I wasn’t there so wouldn’t have a clue but I’m sure you’re right, he was sent off for nothing! Do you actually read what you type?? My point is why does brawls bewildering decisions unbelievable time keeping bizarre issuing of cards follow the linesmen from yesterday around. Ludicrous point. You cannot blame a linesman for a brawl breaking out! That’s moronic! bizarre issuing of cards is an opinion. Have you spoken to said linesmen to find out what the cards were for? How can you tell?
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