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Post by glengael on Jul 17, 2018 10:50:56 GMT
All we're missing is rumours of trouble in the camp. To be honest that would not worry me, it might show some glimmer of passion,interest even, some hunger for the fight instead of the Walking Dead carry-on last Sunday. No danger of it though as the 3rd Secret of Fatima was easier to uncover than what is now happening in Currans.
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Post by augustafield on Jul 17, 2018 10:51:28 GMT
And that might not be far from the truth Annascaul . As for the damning indictment the charges are justified.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 17, 2018 10:55:33 GMT
Can anyone advise on parking in Clones please?
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Post by dc84 on Jul 17, 2018 11:13:01 GMT
To me it looked like we tried to win an arm wrestle on sunday same as we did against donegal in 14. Which in fairness to fitzy was the right call which might have worked this time aswell IF we had the same team ie o'mahony,marc,maher,buckley,walsh and donaghy starting with p.crowley centre back a lot of strong men there. This team is very different we will not win those sort of games what we need to do is everything at pace and take risks meaning wing forwards playing as wing forwards no point picking up the ball on our own 45.
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 17, 2018 11:15:44 GMT
Has there been any update on what was/is wrong with Morley?
I still don't know what to make of the game last Sunday. Drove up with high spirits of a good battle with Kerry coming out on top. I was giving out during the first game about the many times Kildare drove forward only to turn around at the Monaghan 45 and pass the ball 20/30 yards back. Little did I think Kerry would be much worse committers of the same offense. I don't see what 'tweaks' can be made to fix things - it really was a total system meltdown. For our kickouts we bunched like we did in the Munster final outside the D but (unlike the munster final) players out the field (and outside the D) were walking around with their backs to the ball. When we got on the ball our forwards didn't seem to be interested in making runs (Clifford aside).. As stated here, I think for this weekend we have to go back to a traditional formation. Crowley as a sweeper does not work.. I've been hesitant in the past to criticize Fitzmaurice, as 2014 will long live in the memory as a great year, but since then he seems to have gotten more wrong than right on the big days, and what is worse, we seem to revert to the same old failed schemes when the pressure comes on!
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Post by mandad on Jul 17, 2018 11:29:31 GMT
A few contributors to this forum may have a second hand insight into what goes on “inside”. I make no such claim, but I would confess to having a ‘dúirt bean liom’ briefing recently.
If what I was told is even close to reality I would be greatly concerned by the insane amount of video and other analysis, of themselves and the opposition, that the squad is subjected to. Paralysis by Analysis is a real thing, not just a clever phrase, and I passionately believe that this is where the team is trapped at the moment. The lads are being drowned in a mountain of unnecessary background research, because they think "immersion" is a good thing, and not the creative suffocation that it is. Why can’t we keep the main thing, the main thing? It really is a simple game. Perfection has too many variables to account for; trust talent and skill is good enough and is often better in achieving the required results.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 17, 2018 11:34:09 GMT
A few contributors to this forum may have a second hand insight into what goes on “inside”. I make no such claim, but I would confess to having a ‘dúirt bean liom’ briefing recently. If what I was told is even close to reality I would be greatly concerned by the insane amount of video and other analysis, of themselves and the opposition, that the squad is subjected to. Paralysis by Analysis is a real thing, not just a clever phrase, and I passionately believe that this is where the team is trapped at the moment. The lads are being drowned in a mountain of unnecessary background research, because they think "immersion" is a good thing, and not the creative suffocation that it is. Why can’t we keep the main thing, the main thing? It really is a simple game. Perfection has too many variables to account for; trust talent and skill is good enough and is often better in achieving the required results. Can't agree with you here any top team is subjected to extensive and detailed video analysis of themselves and the opposition. I agree with some posters here that Donaghy may be chewed up and spit back out by the Monaghan defence but we have to try something else so I would advocate starting him and test them out. When he's on form he is unplayable. I'd also get Shanahan back in the team as he's the best man marker in the game.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 17, 2018 11:48:37 GMT
Very good article in the examiner repeated below. JOHN FOGARTY: It is all on the line for Eamonn Fitzmaurice“We’re fighting for our lives and we’ll have to bring everything.” Tuesday, July 17, 2018 You trust Éamonn Fitzmaurice knows the “we” relates to him and his management. You trust he knows the responsibility to improve rests with him and his assistants as much as the players. A pointed finger towards his players this week, as the Native American Navajo tribe’s proverb goes, shoots three straight back at him. For all the accomplishments of Fitzmaurice — six unbeaten seasons in Munster, an All-Ireland title against the head, a Division 1 title against the kingpins Dublin — his position is on the line facing Monaghan. For all the trust that was put in him last October when he was reappointed for a three-year term, defeat would seriously test the will of the county executive to allow him remain on as much as this is a work in progress. Last year’s winter of discontent, as Mikey Sheehy succinctly documented in an interview in January, would be followed by one of contempt were Fitzmaurice to stay on in the wake of another Championship exit. A lot of the vitriol directed at the Finuge man after losing to Mayo lacked context but sparing him after another pre-final departure might be a step too far. On Sunday, Galway became only the third team that Kerry have lost to in Championship under Fitzmaurice, the others being Dublin and Mayo, but the addition of Monaghan on the back of Galway beating Kildare in Newbridge and the game is up. Fitzmaurice is intelligent enough to know that as much as the margins between existence and termination are ever so fine. Beat Monaghan and if Galway have claimed a fifth consecutive SFC win this summer, a broken Kildare will arrive in Fitzgerald Stadium on the August Bank Holiday weekend and there’s a chance Kerry could even top Group 1. But to live up to their side of the bargain, Fitzmaurice as much as his players must prove he can improve. There will be plenty writing him off as it is: a man more comfortable in the video analysis room, rewinding and replaying than on the whitewash where there is only the now. That might be harsh but his detractors can back up their claims, the latest being the decision not to introduce Kieran Donaghy on Sunday. Fitzmaurice explained that enforced substitutes such as Jason Foley’s injury compelled him to use different personnel but one slot could surely have been afforded to the 2006 Footballer of the Year. That call could be filed along some other iffy calls by Fitzmaurice in recent times such as being double bluffed by Mayo into using a sweeper in last year’s All-Ireland replay, replacing Paul Geaney with Marc Ó Sé against Dublin in 2016 (in fairness, Kerry were two points up when he initially wanted to make the substitute) and benching his best marksmen, Geaney in the 50th minute and James O’Donoghue seconds after the hour mark, again when encountering Dublin the year before. The best of managers make mistakes. Some get away with them: Jim Gavin’s Eoghan O’Gara gamble didn’t work in last year’s All-Ireland final. And some don’t: Mickey Harte’s slavish commitment to double sweepers cost him against Mayo in 2016, as it did in being overwhelmed by Dublin last season. But Fitzmaurice’s ones have an awful way of coming back to bite him. Whether that is by misfortune or something more tangible, the perception of Fitzmaurice is changing for the worse. Former Donegal defender Éamon McGee’s assessment in his Daily Star column yesterday that he can’t now believe Fitzmaurice was the man that masterminded the downfall of his side in the 2014 final is a growing sentiment out there. That Fitzmaurice franked what should have been a period of transition for Kerry, that he took the job when nobody else wanted it, is long forgotten. Typically, he didn’t look for excuses for Sunday’s performance and his stoicism is another remarkable trait — he chose some time ago not to discuss referees anymore. He did mention the greenness of the team by stressing the team was “a work in progress” and Galway being more “streetwise” and further down the road than Kerry. All of that is true but those comments didn’t chime with his pre-Championship enthusiasm: "I’m expecting a huge Championship from us, a lot of energy and I’m looking forward to it."Huge in Kerry terms never equates to anything but the top prize. Nobody needs to tell Fitzmaurice what’s on the line in St Tiernach’s Park — last winter was informative enough. He will have taken himself to one of his boltholes this week where he will pour over Monaghan and identify where they must be stopped and can be bettered. His players must play for him too but it’s in the heat of battle where he must illustrate he has the acumen.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 17, 2018 12:03:18 GMT
A few contributors to this forum may have a second hand insight into what goes on “inside”. I make no such claim, but I would confess to having a ‘dúirt bean liom’ briefing recently. If what I was told is even close to reality I would be greatly concerned by the insane amount of video and other analysis, of themselves and the opposition, that the squad is subjected to. Paralysis by Analysis is a real thing, not just a clever phrase, and I passionately believe that this is where the team is trapped at the moment. The lads are being drowned in a mountain of unnecessary background research, because they think "immersion" is a good thing, and not the creative suffocation that it is. Why can’t we keep the main thing, the main thing? It really is a simple game. Perfection has too many variables to account for; trust talent and skill is good enough and is often better in achieving the required results. I would agree fully mandad.There is a winners mentality and an underdog's mentality. All this analysis is for underdogs. Instinct is for winners.
Management can send the wrong message.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 17, 2018 12:07:13 GMT
After the match video analysis came to my mind.
I hope Kerry's performance is analysed and considered by Kerry.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 17, 2018 12:23:04 GMT
Can anyone advise on parking in Clones please? And in what pub in Clones will we meet in before and after the match? So that we can give out yards about them before the match, and if we win, talk about how we will beat the Dubs in the semi final after the match.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Jul 17, 2018 12:27:40 GMT
Very good article in the examiner repeated below. JOHN FOGARTY: It is all on the line for Eamonn Fitzmaurice“We’re fighting for our lives and we’ll have to bring everything.” Tuesday, July 17, 2018 You trust Éamonn Fitzmaurice knows the “we” relates to him and his management. You trust he knows the responsibility to improve rests with him and his assistants as much as the players. A pointed finger towards his players this week, as the Native American Navajo tribe’s proverb goes, shoots three straight back at him. For all the accomplishments of Fitzmaurice — six unbeaten seasons in Munster, an All-Ireland title against the head, a Division 1 title against the kingpins Dublin — his position is on the line facing Monaghan. For all the trust that was put in him last October when he was reappointed for a three-year term, defeat would seriously test the will of the county executive to allow him remain on as much as this is a work in progress. Last year’s winter of discontent, as Mikey Sheehy succinctly documented in an interview in January, would be followed by one of contempt were Fitzmaurice to stay on in the wake of another Championship exit. A lot of the vitriol directed at the Finuge man after losing to Mayo lacked context but sparing him after another pre-final departure might be a step too far. On Sunday, Galway became only the third team that Kerry have lost to in Championship under Fitzmaurice, the others being Dublin and Mayo, but the addition of Monaghan on the back of Galway beating Kildare in Newbridge and the game is up. Fitzmaurice is intelligent enough to know that as much as the margins between existence and termination are ever so fine. Beat Monaghan and if Galway have claimed a fifth consecutive SFC win this summer, a broken Kildare will arrive in Fitzgerald Stadium on the August Bank Holiday weekend and there’s a chance Kerry could even top Group 1. But to live up to their side of the bargain, Fitzmaurice as much as his players must prove he can improve. There will be plenty writing him off as it is: a man more comfortable in the video analysis room, rewinding and replaying than on the whitewash where there is only the now. That might be harsh but his detractors can back up their claims, the latest being the decision not to introduce Kieran Donaghy on Sunday. Fitzmaurice explained that enforced substitutes such as Jason Foley’s injury compelled him to use different personnel but one slot could surely have been afforded to the 2006 Footballer of the Year. That call could be filed along some other iffy calls by Fitzmaurice in recent times such as being double bluffed by Mayo into using a sweeper in last year’s All-Ireland replay, replacing Paul Geaney with Marc Ó Sé against Dublin in 2016 (in fairness, Kerry were two points up when he initially wanted to make the substitute) and benching his best marksmen, Geaney in the 50th minute and James O’Donoghue seconds after the hour mark, again when encountering Dublin the year before. The best of managers make mistakes. Some get away with them: Jim Gavin’s Eoghan O’Gara gamble didn’t work in last year’s All-Ireland final. And some don’t: Mickey Harte’s slavish commitment to double sweepers cost him against Mayo in 2016, as it did in being overwhelmed by Dublin last season. But Fitzmaurice’s ones have an awful way of coming back to bite him. Whether that is by misfortune or something more tangible, the perception of Fitzmaurice is changing for the worse. Former Donegal defender Éamon McGee’s assessment in his Daily Star column yesterday that he can’t now believe Fitzmaurice was the man that masterminded the downfall of his side in the 2014 final is a growing sentiment out there. That Fitzmaurice franked what should have been a period of transition for Kerry, that he took the job when nobody else wanted it, is long forgotten. Typically, he didn’t look for excuses for Sunday’s performance and his stoicism is another remarkable trait — he chose some time ago not to discuss referees anymore. He did mention the greenness of the team by stressing the team was “a work in progress” and Galway being more “streetwise” and further down the road than Kerry. All of that is true but those comments didn’t chime with his pre-Championship enthusiasm: "I’m expecting a huge Championship from us, a lot of energy and I’m looking forward to it."Huge in Kerry terms never equates to anything but the top prize. Nobody needs to tell Fitzmaurice what’s on the line in St Tiernach’s Park — last winter was informative enough. He will have taken himself to one of his boltholes this week where he will pour over Monaghan and identify where they must be stopped and can be bettered. His players must play for him too but it’s in the heat of battle where he must illustrate he has the acumen. Excellent article by an excellent journalist. Of course last weekends performance and result gives huge ammunition to those who are not in favour of Fitzmaurice and his management team. Whilst criticising decisions it should also be remembered that the brains trust on the line now includes Maurice Fitz. As Fogarty mentions things can change very quickly. This could be a huge turning point for Kerry. I don't belive that they can be that bad two games running and a win against Monaghan away could be the making of a youg team because they will be tested physically and mentally like never before on Sunday.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2018 12:32:11 GMT
Maybe i am wrong but i think Kerry are building towards 2020 still.
Too much is expected of them at the moment.
Way too much was made of Kerrys Munster campaign.
I mean...think of Mayos and Dublins half back line of recent years...
Boyle Keegan Vaughan...McCarthy COS Small .....and then consider Paul Murphy Gavin White....too light and thrown around too easily.
Gavin Crowley, Peter Crowley and Morley might bring a bit of steel to half back line.
Move Paul Murphy to half forward line. Shanahan would improve the fullback line.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 17, 2018 13:57:02 GMT
Maybe i am wrong but i think Kerry are building towards 2020 still. Too much is expected of them at the moment. Way too much was made of Kerrys Munster campaign. I mean...think of Mayos and Dublins half back line of recent years... Boyle Keegan Vaughan...McCarthy COS Small .....and then consider Paul Murphy Gavin White....too light and thrown around too easily. Gavin Crowley, Peter Crowley and Morley might bring a bit of steel to half back line. Move Paul Murphy to half forward line. Shanahan would improve the fullback line. Gavin crowley hasnt made the 26 yet in the championship, velvet gloves are great but you need the steel underneath. Fitzy and mf russell in 97 were the velvet flatherty, moynihan, eamon breen half back line more titanium then steel
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2018 17:00:05 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Jul 17, 2018 17:06:56 GMT
A few contributors to this forum may have a second hand insight into what goes on “inside”. I make no such claim, but I would confess to having a ‘dúirt bean liom’ briefing recently. If what I was told is even close to reality I would be greatly concerned by the insane amount of video and other analysis, of themselves and the opposition, that the squad is subjected to. Paralysis by Analysis is a real thing, not just a clever phrase, and I passionately believe that this is where the team is trapped at the moment. The lads are being drowned in a mountain of unnecessary background research, because they think "immersion" is a good thing, and not the creative suffocation that it is. Why can’t we keep the main thing, the main thing? It really is a simple game. Perfection has too many variables to account for; trust talent and skill is good enough and is often better in achieving the required results. Funny, I thought a few months after the 2015 final loss that Eamonn more or less admitted in an interview to this being a factor in our poor display and that it was something that wouldnt happen again. Maybe I'm dreaming it?
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Post by john4 on Jul 17, 2018 17:48:13 GMT
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Post by jamo on Jul 17, 2018 18:27:38 GMT
I suppose you would have to go with David Moran and Jack Barry again. Paul Murphy has to start along with David Clifford and Paul Geaney. Is Shane Murphy the problem with the kicks out, or the out field not giving him options? He will probably start again. I would stick with Gavin White at 7. Bring Tadgh Morley in at CB. If Shane Enright is fit and ready to go I would have him in. Peter Crowley/Mark Griffin at FB and keep Jason Foley too. Top of the left and James O probably a change but with who? BJK? The half forwards I just don't know. Probably start Michael Burns at 10 Keep Sean O Shea 11 and even though I like the guy Stephen O Brien to lose out to Kevin Mc Carthy. It will be a tough day in Clones but certainly a day we shouldn't fear. Confidence is low but nothing that an early goal wouldn't sort out. i know the wet conditions on sunday didnt suit both sides, but Kerry cannot play their style of fast football with a wet slippery ball. No need to panic for Clones on Sunday but I woild bring in Donaghy to add more strength up front...for who I'm not so sure though, but I would play him in the Monaghan Square.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 19:35:52 GMT
Everything from too much analysis to not enough analysis is being blamed here. Some would like more experience next weekend, others want more youth. We have all the bases covered.!
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Post by john4 on Jul 17, 2018 19:39:58 GMT
Just had a look on Paddy Power, Dublin are shorter odds to win the All Ireland than we are to beat Monaghan 😧
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 17, 2018 19:54:24 GMT
Everything from too much analysis to not enough analysis is being blamed here. Some would like more experience next weekend, others want more youth. We have all the bases covered.! No need to panic - we just need 3 or 4 changes! :-) I see some folks comment with "they can't be that bad 2 weeks in a row"... I remember having the same thought after the drawn Mayo game last year! :-(
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 17, 2018 20:56:44 GMT
Sh1t folks they are predicting a hot weekend but expect rain or drizzle in the northern counties,,, please don’t tell me that rain will bless the fortunes of the defensive tactics for a second weekend ina row 😩😩
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 17, 2018 21:02:32 GMT
Wholesale changes needed, lot of fellas with bloated heads on that team.
Worrying managerial decisions time and time and again including picking the wrong players from the start and strange substitutions.
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Post by pillar on Jul 17, 2018 21:08:48 GMT
A few contributors to this forum may have a second hand insight into what goes on “inside”. I make no such claim, but I would confess to having a ‘dúirt bean liom’ briefing recently. If what I was told is even close to reality I would be greatly concerned by the insane amount of video and other analysis, of themselves and the opposition, that the squad is subjected to. Paralysis by Analysis is a real thing, not just a clever phrase, and I passionately believe that this is where the team is trapped at the moment. The lads are being drowned in a mountain of unnecessary background research, because they think "immersion" is a good thing, and not the creative suffocation that it is. Why can’t we keep the main thing, the main thing? It really is a simple game. Perfection has too many variables to account for; trust talent and skill is good enough and is often better in achieving the required results. My info tells me they have even used a drone to analyise training.. I'm still baffled tho at the difference in approach between the Cork and Galway game.We never put the squeeze on Galway and gave them far too much respect.I would have started Burns and held McCarthy in reserve for when the wing forwards were out of gas.Either way now we have to return to our Munster Final form or else we can put the clocks back for winter on the way home.I think a big performance will be summoned to get the show back on the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:14:50 GMT
A few contributors to this forum may have a second hand insight into what goes on “inside”. I make no such claim, but I would confess to having a ‘dúirt bean liom’ briefing recently. If what I was told is even close to reality I would be greatly concerned by the insane amount of video and other analysis, of themselves and the opposition, that the squad is subjected to. Paralysis by Analysis is a real thing, not just a clever phrase, and I passionately believe that this is where the team is trapped at the moment. The lads are being drowned in a mountain of unnecessary background research, because they think "immersion" is a good thing, and not the creative suffocation that it is. Why can’t we keep the main thing, the main thing? It really is a simple game. Perfection has too many variables to account for; trust talent and skill is good enough and is often better in achieving the required results. My info tells me they have even used a drone to analyise training.. I'm still baffled tho at the difference in approach between the Cork and Galway game.We never put the squeeze on Galway and gave them far too much respect.I would have started Burns and held McCarthy in reserve for when the wing forwards were out of gas.Either way now we have to return to our Munster Final form or else we can put the clocks back for winter on the way home.I think a big performance will be summoned to get the show back on the road. I hope the lads at farranfore airport don't get confused by the drone
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Post by buck02 on Jul 17, 2018 21:18:35 GMT
Tomas is suggesting playing Donaghy midfield instead of Barry the next day. I can see merit in this. We cant be bullied in the middle the next day and you can be sure Donaghy would be the one to do the bullying. My only worry is that he could get sent off for two clumsy tackles.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 17, 2018 21:19:45 GMT
And Maurice Deegan is ref.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 17, 2018 21:21:41 GMT
My info tells me there'll be an immediate change of management for Kildare game if we are to lose Sunday
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:25:10 GMT
Deegan is a fussy enough ref.
I would stick with Barry the next day, would have serious concerns about donaghys fitness at this level. Monaghan would have donaghy running all over the place.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:27:44 GMT
Were starting to give Monaghan too much respect, .... them.
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