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Post by southward on Jul 23, 2018 9:27:48 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2018 9:32:17 GMT
Monaghan count blessings despite Kerry’s miraculous escape David Clifford’s wonder goal keeps the Kingdom in the championship, for now about 12 hours ago Gavin Cummiskey at St Tiernach's Park
Kerry should be vanquished from this unusual football championship, but in David Clifford we see a comet capable of the unbelievable.
It needed two past footballers of the year to find Tutankhamun. There followed a wonder goal that keeps the Kingdom on life support for another fortnight.
More miracles will be needed to find September.
Replaced by Kieran Donaghy before throw-in, all James O’Donoghue could do deep into injury time was drop the entire show on top of Star.
O’Donoghue glanced up before spinning a high ball towards the square’s edge. Finally, Donaghy freed himself of Vinny Corey’s vice grip. The tip down was kind, the teenager’s finish a mesmeric slice through six Monaghan bodies.
Locals, to man, woman and child, crumbled to their knees.
Five points clear with 10 minutes to play (when Clifford landed possibly the best point Clones has ever witnessed; certainly one to rival the wind-talking Maurice Fitzgerald on another weird Kerry journey to Thurles back in 2001), the mighty Conor McManus kept them four ahead with four to go.
Only the sprinkle of travellers were delighted at the announcement of five additional minutes.
Monaghan had these young Kerry footballers by the throat – literally, in the case of Kieran Duffy on Clifford, as yellow cards were ridiculously shared. They had the physical measure of them.
They outclassed them via McManus, Rory Beggan and Karl O’Connell in all areas of the field. They just needed to hang on and Kerry’s summer would be in ruins and Éamonn Fitzmaurice would be relieved of the bainisteoir bib after an excruciating two week lead-in to a nothing match against Kildare in Killarney.
When the dust settles, Monaghan should realise they can still bury them with any sort of result against Galway in Salthill.
At least they know how to recover from this sort of collapse.
“Look it, we are still in the championship,” said McManus on the field, in between a marathon jersey-signing session. “We have to take positives out of this, that Kerry were coming here as favourites, one of the top teams in the country, and we gave them a run for . . . what, 74 minutes?
“We just forgot about the last minute there.
“It is what it is – we just have to dust ourselves down and go again.
“We’ve a game in two weeks’ time, and a chance to make the All-Ireland semi-final. We are still there.”
Monaghan folk can be heartened by their leader’s positivity, when asked if they need to linger on a repetitive inability to finish teams off.
“What’s the point? People talked about the Fermanagh game earlier in the year, there was a lot said about that, but there is no point in dwelling on it. We just have to move on. You don’t get too down when you lose and don’t get too high when you win.”
Saved by the man-shaped Fossa boy, Fitzmaurice is fully aware that being damned if you do, damned if you don’t is eventually every Kerry manager’s fate, and while he may have to accept a “long winter of retrospection”, this six-hour journey home brought relief.
“Always going back the years since I’ve been involved, we don’t rate the lads’ ability or contributions based on their age. In the past we have been accused of holding on to some of the more experienced lads for too long, but they were always contributing on the big day. It doesn’t matter.
“David Clifford has got big goals for us two weekends in a row and he is barely 19 years of age. Seán O’Shea was only 20 during the week. They are young, they have huge futures, but they are playing well for us at the moment.”
Still, the looming emptiness must have been unbearable. He was a statue on the sideline, but underneath the main stand, in a tiny corridor squeezed full of reporters denying Kerry subs a shower after being flogged on the pitch for their troubles (until Anthony Maher’s imposing frame paved a path), Fitzmaurice quietly smiled and joked about lost frees.
“Delighted that we are still in the championship. We are going for our home game next with it all still to play for. I know we need results to go our way in other places but all we can do is control our own thing and see where that takes us.”
Outside an old women draped in green and gold pulls Clifford down for a hug.
“The ball fell to the right man and he stuck it.”
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Post by animal on Jul 23, 2018 9:33:59 GMT
Kerry are a shambles at the moment.............. Shambolic is not overstating it certainly in regard to the first 20 minutes. I don't know how it looked on TV but from up on the terrace we were in utter disarray. We were behind from the throw in when management left Mark Griffin isolated on probably the best inside forward in the country. What on earth did they expect to happen other than the inevitable? Mark is a game lad but he's no relation to a man marker. That it took until halt time to make a switch is an indictment. It was a very poor day at the office at midfield but the blame does not lie solely with numbers 8 and 9. Where were our lads for the breaks? Any time a ball was kicked into the middle the Monaghan men cleaned up the breaking ball without even having to scrap for it. It was very poor on our behalf. Monaghan as a result dominated possession and we can be very grateful for their wayward shooting. They should have been out of sight by half time. Sean O'Shea and David Clifford kept us in the game when in reality we did not deserve to be so close to Monaghan on the score board. The second half was better. Gavin White showed tremendous guts.He lost one or two balls but the way he won ball in around the centre and drove at Monaghan was inspirational. If he gets a bit stronger which he will he will be some player for us. On a similar note as others have said the young lads really stepped up today. they showed great heart and attitude on a day when some of our more seasoned players wilted. That was the main positive of the day. As for David Clifford.....there are no words. Finally praise for Monaghan. Great attitude and heart. Rory Beggan was worth the admission price alone. The best display of kicking from a keeper I have seen.Better than Cluxton at the moment. Ciaran McManus is terrific. A fine fine footballer. Very much enjoyed Clones, the town and the venue. The weather helped!
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Post by clarinman on Jul 23, 2018 9:37:46 GMT
Daniel Flynn was the Kildare player in Tralee. McManus scored 1-3 from play off Griffen yesterday. Do you really think Luke Connolly and Comer are of the same class as McManus? he got 1-4 from play yesterday and was fouled for 3 more points that he pointed himself. i dont see why you are bringing up one game from months ago to put a fellow down - there is a huge difference between conceding 1-7 directly to an opponent and keeping 2 men to 2 points in 70 minutes. no wonder our fans have a terrible name when you come out with s*ite like this. I have never put a fellow down on this forum. I merely started a fact about a game that took place 4 months ago. At least my fact was correct. Griffin did not mark McManus in the second half yesterday so he conceded 1-3 directly to him, not 1-7. Maybe you should attend the Kerry matches you post about before accusing another poster of talking s*ite.
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Post by yourholiness on Jul 23, 2018 9:37:51 GMT
The objective view ( as objective as a Dub could be watching Ciarraí)
Kerry don’t look to have a discernible kickout plan . Lots of kicks to isolated players and sometimes it seems kicking it to midfield is an afterthought. If a strategy is in place it is being easily overcome by the opposition who in both Super 8 matches to date have proactively identified the intended fielder .
The midfield pairing don’t compliment each other .
The high ball in troubles most teams . Good diagonal balls were not employed despite Donaghy’s presence . O Donoghue has the nous to direct such ball in his direction but other than that seems short on confidence .
Burns was good when he came on . Tom O Sullivan will be a huge asset to Kerry . Seán O Sullivan likewise has a good steely approach.
I thought White was brave , proactive and dogged.
Clifford is not only hugely skilled but has the knack of showing up at the right moment and having the presence of mind to do the business.
Sometimes the Kerry approach seems to be a bit off the hoof and reactive to the previous result .
Bad or uneven performances are an unavoidable aspect to transitional years like this one .
Truthfully I think EF was slow to reenergise the squad but has now done it all at once. It just seems to be a bit directionless at times but there may be a masterplan I don’t have the wit to discern or recognise.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2018 9:38:42 GMT
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July 23 2018 2:30 AM
Kerry fans were already well on their way home when David Clifford clinically broke the hearts of thousands of Monaghan supporters in Clones yesterday. My own included.
In a game that never looked like anything other than a historic Monaghan win, Malachy O'Rourke didn't deserve less than the full two points on offer, after tactically dominating his more decorated sideline opponent for the full 70-plus minutes.
At a time when pundits, politicians and plenty of others are taking cheap shots at the GAA, and football in particular, yesterday's occasion in Clones evoked everything that is good about our game.
It also makes the feeling of 'what-if' from a Monaghan point of view all the more hard to take.
On the way into the game I got a photo op with my son and the Sam Maguire Cup, which was being displayed on public view. Cailean is going to games now at a time when Monaghan are rightfully in the conversation for who will lift the coveted trophy.
Sitting with my father Hugo at the game, we both have our own Kerry scars, from similar Kerry near victories in 1985 and 2007 respectfully.
I have only vague memories of their draw in 1985, and I doubt Cailean will remember much about yesterday in years to come, but regardless of the cruel finish, it is a game that will be remembered in Monaghan for years to come.
Malachy and the Monaghan team took a lot of criticism after their shock defeat to Fermanagh earlier this summer; a defeat that seems almost implausible now. Regardless, Malachy and his players deserve immense credit for their positive approach yesterday and how they took the game to Kerry from the very first minute.
Playing with width and pace, they created numerous opportunities in the opening half.
Aggressively pushing up on Kerry's kick-outs made life uncomfortable for Kerry's netminder Brian Kelly and it was odd there appeared no change to the strategy from the Kerry management.
With Rory Beggan imperious from his own tee and dead balls, Monaghan completely controlled the opening half, and should have been much further ahead than four points at half-time.
I picked out David Clifford as Kerry's key man a few weeks ago, and as the Kingdom collectively floundered for large parts of the game, his timely interventions of class eventually proved to be the bridge that kept Kerry in an All-Ireland race that they have no right to still be in.
Conor McManus must have felt he was playing a different game, such was the space being afforded to him, and he duly made hay in a career-defining display.
Finishing with 1-9, Conor was unmarkable, and further cemented his reputation as an all-time great of the game, and almost a shoo-in to pick up his third All Star award.
I met his mother Mary on the pitch afterwards, and all I could do was give her a hug, with tears almost in my eyes. How proud she must have been of her son.
Regardless of the heroic efforts given by Conor and every other Monaghan player yesterday, the video analysis in the week ahead will not provide them with much comfort.
The many wasted chances permeating throughout an otherwise five star performance will make for uncomfortable viewing.
While Eamonn Fitzmaurice barely lives to fight another day, Malachy O'Rourke will have further added to his reputation after yesterday's thrilling contest.
Only our Ulster final victory over Donegal five years ago comes close to rivalling the level of Monaghan's performance.
Praise Some days the critical knife needs brandishing in post-match analysis, but yesterday only praise and gratitude needed to be directed towards Malachy and the Monaghan players.
Not only did they swell the Monaghan faithful with more pride than they thought possible, they contributed to a fantastic spectacle that the Championship so badly needed.
As I write this, looking out on to a now deserted St Tiernach's Park, it feels like a season-ending defeat, but Monaghan are still very much in this year's Championship.
Needing a result against Galway, on race weekend, it has the makings of another memorable occasion for the already well-travelled Monaghan supporters.
However, it will struggle to rival what was served up in Clones yesterday.
I look forward to watching Clifford in the years to come, but I will forever curse him for robbing us of a memorable victory in Clones yesterday.
Yet genius rarely cares much for the feelings of mortals.
Indo Sport
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Post by glengael on Jul 23, 2018 9:39:30 GMT
Regarding the nonsense with the second ball and, on one occasion, a third ball appearing on the pitch during Brian Kelly's kickouts. As ridiculous as it was for the ref to insist on Kelly to remove the second ball from the pitch prior to taking his kickouts while his umpires stood gawping at him....it was more ridiculous that the Kerry management didn't consider sending Liam Hassett or Botty down to clear those balls away. Imagine the coverage that this would get if this was Dublin? Cluxtons kickouts delayed by such a ridiculous scenario? Darragh O'Se highlighted the complete and professional management that goes into Cluxton's kick outs (before he even kicks the ball) in a Times article a few years back. It was to illustrate the professionalism of how Dublin go about every aspect of their business on match days. Sadly it doesn't surprise me that the present Kerry set up; 1. does not prepare to that degree of professionalism. 2. did not react to the situation which became obvious during the course of the match. We really are living on borrowed time.
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Post by pillar on Jul 23, 2018 9:48:40 GMT
The good, the bad and the ugly is the only way of summing up our Super 8 campaign to date. There has been plenty of analysis of the bad and the ugly and we could continue to slate the team and management on that front with ample justification. However there are some good points and chief among those is the emergence of the younger players who have shown some heart, pride and determination and on this we must build (to go with their undoubted skill). Introducing a wave of new blood this year was long overdue and they have been thrown in at the deep end and they are beginging to shows signs of what is to come which is tantalising. Like so many others the sideline has me confounded - I find it impossible to understand what they are up to with their changes and selections, it does strike one as a management team in crisis even more than a team in crisis. Change is needed here more than anyplace else but there are no obvious choices to replace EF & CO. I would have thought Peter Keane is an obvious stand out!!
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 23, 2018 9:58:39 GMT
It was grand larceny, daylight robbery whatever you would like to call it and unfair on Monaghan but for the likes of Tom O'Sullivan, Gavin White, Paul Murphy, Seán O'Shea, Star and David Clifford it would have been unfair had they been on the losing side - these were the men and that's what they were, who refused to say no, refused to let our championship ambitions die in Clones and ultimately they got their reward. Star is the experienced head amongst all those, the warrior who has been central to all our successes down through the years and who was so badly missed against Galway - of all the baffling decisions this management team have made, this is the most damning indictment of their tenure for who knows what would have happened had he been introduced - an opportunity lost.
Monaghan were the better team, had a settled side ( their sixth championship game this year) and knew what to do - in contrast we were flustered, shaky and unpredictable - most of all we were naïve. Naïve in defence, going one on one with McManus and leaving Griffin exposed as we have done previously with him vs Mayo in the league, as we have done with Shane Enright on Moran, Foley on Daniel Flynn - the list is long, too long and makes for terrible reading.
We got the worst possible start when McManus was ahead of Griffin, who lost his bearings and his footing, and McManus goaled past Kelly - from here they controlled the game, we struggled at midfield and half forward to get to grips with the game - Beggan was immense in finding his targets from restarts and unerring from frees from long distance - we were lucky to be only four adrift at the interval as Monaghan squandered many chances. For our own part, Paul Geaney looked off colour, Kevin McCarthy anonymous on the wing, Clifford starved of possession - midfield was possibly our worst sector as neither David nor Jack could get into the game. Our threats were from deep with Gavin White and Tom O'Sullivan at their best and White particularly unlucky on a few occasions when almost through.
We offered something more in the second half following the introduction of Micheál Burns and more offensive threat from the likes of Paul Murphy - Star was coaxing and cajoling his younger team mates and getting the most of out them - Clifford kicked an outrageous score off his left high and true and with Seán O'Shea adding any frees we kept in touch - again, management intervened and though O'Shea looked tired replacing our on fire free taker was madness - Monaghan kept the score board ticking over with a large dollop of help from Deegan - the most obvious example of his partisan approach was when he called a foul on Shanahan who outjumped McManus in a one on one and got the ball away - a simple present of a 13 metre free followed. This was the worst but there were other calls within shooting range which defied logic - Star had a man climbing all over him late in the game, no free, a similar incident with Paul Murphy led to a Monaghan free.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man - Clifford then threw us a lifeline when Star somehow connected with a high delivery from JO'D and in a twinkling he had rattled the net - we could have won it at the death but James was not quick enough to get a shot away and the final action saw David Moran fire high into the sky and short - Clifford, free to Moran's left was seen thumping a flag and kicking out in frustration as had he gained possession we might have nicked it.
Of course we got out of jail but I think we are only postponing the inevitable and though we may beat Kildare it might still not be enough - perhaps it would be better to bow out at this stage in front of our own fans, rather than in the glare of Croke Park for in truth we hardly deserve be there given the lack of performance of our bainisteoir and his team - we have lurched from one crisis to another, making bizarre substitutions and being loyal to far too many who have passed their sell by date - the bainisteoir owes much to Donaghy, an absolute warrior but instead has chosen to treat him disgracefully in what is most likely to be his final year in his beloved green and gold - Star has never been found wanting - our bainisteoir too many times in recent past.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 23, 2018 10:10:24 GMT
Below are the stats for frees conceded from the 4 matches over the weekend (taken from Irish times).
Kerry 25 Monaghan 17 Galway 7 Kildare 13 Donegal 9 Roscommon 14 Dublin 12 Tyrone 11
It looks like we have a serious issue with discipline.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 23, 2018 10:11:51 GMT
Yesterday was some experience. Clones is a beautiful setting for a game and the atmosphere at the game was amazing but my God it was stressful! Watching us being run ragged in the first 10 minutes and the lads not knowing what way to turn made for uncomfortable viewing.
It was great to see the attitude with which Gavin White, Tom O Sullivan, Ronan Shanahan, Stephen O Brien and Clifford played with yesterday. There was so much cut about them and a winning attitude. Likewise Mícheál Burns when he came on, he brought huge energy and really helped rally a flagging forward line.
Donaghy was the Star yesterday. Obviously not as mobile as in his pomp but as wily as a fox. He was a great decoy for other forwards, he won a couple of vital balls and even weighed in with a couple in midfield. He gave everything for the cause yesterday, what a warrior.
I thought Mark Griffin improved immensely as the game went on, it was always going to be tough. No championship start in a year V a man that has been rolling along nicely for the past 5 weeks. When Griffin is more effective is when he is coming out with the ball from defence, surely a go at number 6 against Kildare might be worth consideration? By my count we won no Monaghan kick out in the first half. I was too excited to keep a count in the 2nd half but I wouldn't say we won too many! Rory Beggan is phenomenal. It's a testament to the amount of work he has done and also Malachy O Rourke and his management team have done in utilising a great resource. Himself and Mac Menus accounted for so many of their scores yesterday, ably assisted by Maurice Deegan who also had a fine game in the Monaghan colours! His refereeing was pathetic, playing to the crowd, as usual.
We played with more pep in our step in the 2nd half, this game will stand to the younger players big time. There will be plenty of reasons to be cheerful in coming Septembers judging by the huge contributions these lads made. Add to that the lads on the injured list and our panel looks to be building nicely. We will beat Kildare, who will be without Dan Flynn and all we can do is hope Galway beat Monaghan. If they can shut down 1,7 & 15 they will but they will have their work cut out to do so.
A few questions remain about this team/management... 1 What is our plan for kick outs, both our own and the opposition. 2 We were beaten sick at midfield yesterday, again, this hasn't been addressed since last year. 3 what has happened Paul Geaney? It looked to me like he has lost his confidence. 4 Where is the logic in changing keeper yesterday? 5 Surely when we go out and play football we are at our most effective...let them cut loose against Kildare, it will do their confidence the world of good.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 23, 2018 10:25:05 GMT
Below are the stats for frees conceded from the 4 matches over the weekend (taken from Irish times). Kerry 25 Monaghan 17 Galway 7 Kildare 13 Donegal 9 Roscommon 14 Dublin 12 Tyrone 11 It looks like we have a serious issue with discipline. I commented on it yesterday when watching , it's not all about indiscipline, a lot of it is just lazy, sloppy tackling. Gifting handy frees to McManus or Rock in scoreable areas is just criminal in this day and age.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 23, 2018 10:34:35 GMT
The question I have is where is the leadership from the older players gone? The complete lack of form form older lads is very worrying. At one point yesterday after the concession of the goal and point you saw Peter Crowley signalling to the team to calm down I just am amazed that it's young Clifford dragging us through when it's older boys that should be leading the way.
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Post by richard00 on Jul 23, 2018 10:37:04 GMT
Honest to god lads this management has a lot to answer for has a kerry manager ever taken off a player and brought him back on without it being a blood sub. Geaney was playing poor but why was he he brought back on it says that the rest of the bench must have nothing to contribute. Donaghy has yet again proved Fitzmaurice wrong as he fought to get his hand on that last ball. Disappointed with the amount of ball kicked in and what was kicked in was rubbish. Serious trouble in midfield and on the sideline. Very disappointing.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 23, 2018 10:45:19 GMT
I don’t think there is such a mystery about dropping Murphy. I didn’t spot this at the Galway game but looking at the video afterwards Eamonn is shown getting very animated as he sees an opportunity for a quick kick out but Murphy doesn’t avail of it. It is very unusual for him to show any emotion. There were other incidents like that during that game. The surprise is that in bringing in Kelly he is bringing in someone who isn’t any better at the quick kick out.
Unbelievable goal by Clifford. He has scored that goal a million times against the garden wall, growing up.
It’s interesting to see that so many young players played well. This is no coincidence. They are young and have not yet been contaminated by the system. Watching Tom Sullivan weave his way through a defence trying to hit him, give a Messi like dummy and have the strength of character at such a young age to finish the movement by planting the ball between the posts gave me flash backs of a young Ogie Moran in ’75. If we get to the semi final we have as good a chance of beating Dublin by putting out the maximum number of young players available and giving them their head as any other selection.
The decision to leave Griffin one on one with McManus was unforgivable. Griffin has no defensive instincts. Any success he has at centre back is based on bursting forward. He cannot win possession ahead of the forward, steer a forward out of the danger zone and always seem to be substituting work rate for an understanding of what should be done.
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Post by clubman on Jul 23, 2018 10:49:55 GMT
What must the subs have been thinking when Geaney was brought on ahead of them? BJK is always handy for a score when introduced
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 23, 2018 10:59:08 GMT
Honest to god lads this management has a lot to answer for has a kerry manager ever taken off a player and brought him back on without it being a blood sub. Geaney was playing poor but why was he he brought back on it says that the rest of the bench must have nothing to contribute. Donaghy has yet again proved Fitzmaurice wrong as he fought to get his hand on that last ball. Disappointed with the amount of ball kicked in and what was kicked in was rubbish. Serious trouble in midfield and on the sideline. Very disappointing. Geaney was taken off and reintroduced in the replay in Limerick against Mayo. Came back on to score a great point.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2018 11:08:16 GMT
Subs: M Burns for McCarthy (half-time); J O’Donoghue for Geaney (49 mins); B Ó Beaglaoich for Griffin (51); D O’Sullivan for O’Shea (54); A Maher (0-1) for Barry (63); Geaney for O’Sullivan (71).
Apart from PG coming back on, all the subs made the team smaller in height. This was manna from heaven for the Monaghan keeper who had mismatches in height all over the place to choose from. He targeted Murphy lack of height too with is kickout.
Burns won no breaking ball so no better than McCarthy on that score. Darren got one touch in the 20 mins he was on.
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Post by homerj on Jul 23, 2018 11:20:04 GMT
he got 1-4 from play yesterday and was fouled for 3 more points that he pointed himself. i dont see why you are bringing up one game from months ago to put a fellow down - there is a huge difference between conceding 1-7 directly to an opponent and keeping 2 men to 2 points in 70 minutes. no wonder our fans have a terrible name when you come out with s*ite like this. In fairness you have been one of the biggest animals on this site on the past, absolutely slating individual players. and you keep bringing this up year after year, its about time you left go your obsession with defending one player who does not deserve defending. said player has been dropped off the panel, finally and nobody cares that he is no longer on the panel. theres a huge difference in "slating" a player who should be nowhere near the panel who consistently got game time for 4 years and one, who is still a young kid and is one of our best players and prospects. i stand by everything i said about said player and i dont think many will disagree with it.
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Post by homerj on Jul 23, 2018 11:27:24 GMT
he got 1-4 from play yesterday and was fouled for 3 more points that he pointed himself. i dont see why you are bringing up one game from months ago to put a fellow down - there is a huge difference between conceding 1-7 directly to an opponent and keeping 2 men to 2 points in 70 minutes. no wonder our fans have a terrible name when you come out with s*ite like this. I have never put a fellow down on this forum. I merely started a fact about a game that took place 4 months ago. At least my fact was correct. Griffin did not mark McManus in the second half yesterday so he conceded 1-3 directly to him, not 1-7. Maybe you should attend the Kerry matches you post about before accusing another poster of talking s*ite. the discussion is about jason foley doing a man marking job on him. its irrelevant who was marking him at what stages yesterday. the fact is, he was directly responsible for kicking 1-7 and set up 2 other scores. being petty about who was marking him, is just sh*te talk as is bringing up a game from the league several months ago. if you want a barometer, judge jason foley on this championship performances. and i was in attendance yesterday, theres another fact for you.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 23, 2018 11:28:49 GMT
In fairness you have been one of the biggest animals on this site on the past, absolutely slating individual players. and you keep bringing this up year after year, its about time you left go your obsession with defending one player who does not deserve defending. said player has been dropped off the panel, finally and nobody cares that he is no longer on the panel. theres a huge difference in "slating" a player who should be nowhere near the panel who consistently got game time for 4 years and one, who is still a young kid and is one of our best players and prospects. i stand by everything i said about said player and i dont think many will disagree with it. I'm only having a go at you because you have the temerity to have a go at another person on here when, whatever the rights and wrongs of what you were saying, went beyond the realms of fair comment and onto personal and unfair attack. I don't think I ever disputed the substance of what you said about that player, only the manner of your attack. I too stand behind what I might have said in terms of not going overboard on what are amateur players. There is a way to do it and personally I do not think you thread that line very well...I thought it was outside the spirit of this forum. Granted actually when you were talking about Kerry fans reputations you weren't talking so much "animals" as knowledge.
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Post by homerj on Jul 23, 2018 11:34:18 GMT
as regards the sideline, alot of things have already been pointed out BUT -
as another poster said, why was Murphy on the frees last weekend when we have one of the best free takers in the country on the pitch? somebody said to me yesterday SOS was injured but even before the injury, wasnt Murphy put on them?
making 5 changes to a team (i know 2 were enforced) just smacks of desperation. as bad as we were last week, the game was there for us until a few mins to go and the red card and i think we lost that game tactically more than the players as individuals.
dropping murphy - bizzare. our kick outs were a shambles yesterday overall.
we seemed to be paying too much attention to oppostion and changing our game plan accordingly. but at the same time, we appear to be tactically clueless and outsmarted in every big game - mayo, galway and now yesterday.
having our best players tracking back from the full forward line to the half back line is just insane - we need to have a system where players cover each other especially our half forwards covering if a corner back goes forward.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 23, 2018 11:55:25 GMT
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Post by oldschool on Jul 23, 2018 12:05:22 GMT
What have we learned about kick outs? Nothing it would appear. I'm spouting about this for ages Surely if Monaghan can manage a kick out strategy we also should be able. Appeal to EF to concentrate on this!!! PLEASE PLEASE. What does k Donaghy have to do to get a free? Shame on yesterdays ref. David Clifford also got undue ATTENTION off the ball. Overall--- Well done Kerry. Never gave up. Proud of ye.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 23, 2018 12:09:05 GMT
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Post by oldschool on Jul 23, 2018 12:13:46 GMT
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 23, 2018 12:29:52 GMT
Paidi was right when he said they Kerry supporters are animals.
You only have to log on here to get a good view of them.
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Post by southward on Jul 23, 2018 12:34:19 GMT
Paidi was right when he said they Kerry supporters are animals. You only have to log on here to get a good view of them. I'd say it's pretty measured and restrained here overall. You wouldn't want to see the Cork forum.
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Post by southward on Jul 23, 2018 12:45:41 GMT
Going back to the 2nd ball on the pitch carry-on, I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of this. Not a word on TSG or in any other media outlet.
Repeated interference in a game by spectators is outrageous at this level, more so as no attempt seemed to be made by stewards or officials to stop it. Clogher has even suggested that it may have been happening with the connivance of people in the Monaghan set-up; that is much more sinister if true.
HQ needs to investigate here, this would be unacceptable in any sport.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 23, 2018 12:47:43 GMT
Going back to the 2nd ball on the pitch carry-on, I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of this. Not a word on TSG or in any other media outlet. Repeated interference in a game by spectators is outrageous at this level, more so as no attempt seemed to be made by stewards or officials to stop it. Clogher has even suggested that it may have been happening with the connivance of people in the Monaghan set-up; that is much more sinister if true. HQ needs to investigate here, this would be unacceptable in any sport. It did appear to be "plants" in the crowd throwing balls back in. On one occasion while Kelly was teeing up, not one but two balls appeared.
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