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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 15, 2018 19:38:03 GMT
The Fitzmaurice train has been ambling from mistake to mistake for quite a while and we have ended up with this shapeless shambles.
I really feel that we have the player and I really feel the management are in over their heads to a worrying extent.
Do nothing at all and then make 3 subs in one go of lads who are all past or not up to it.
Tactically we were a complete shambles today and having Murphy taking frees/45s looks ridiculous when he misses nearly all of them- this then impacts on his kickouts- surely we should ease the pressure on him if it’s not working
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 15, 2018 19:38:48 GMT
Honestly shocked by that display. Then again I like others was caught up in the hype. I forgot how bad the same team bar some new changes were against Mayo last year. We have done the same thing over and over past few years. We either don’t have the players we think we have or Management need to take a hard look at themselves I believe it’s the latter. That last 10 minutes was begging for Donaghy to enter the fray and give some life to the forward line. I pictured him catching high ball and releasing to Clifford. Oh well let’s see what these boys are made of next weekend. Great bunch either way. Can't understand why everyone thinks Donaghy is going to solve all Kerry's problems , he didn't do it last year against Mayo. No he didn't but we were shocking that day too and he won't rescue us everytime. Today he would at least have asked a different set of questions of their defence. Now Galway would have a strategy for him but he is a real leader and who knows? Instead we persisted with something that was not working.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 15, 2018 19:49:01 GMT
Honestly shocked by that display. Then again I like others was caught up in the hype. I forgot how bad the same team bar some new changes were against Mayo last year. We have done the same thing over and over past few years. We either don’t have the players we think we have or Management need to take a hard look at themselves I believe it’s the latter. That last 10 minutes was begging for Donaghy to enter the fray and give some life to the forward line. I pictured him catching high ball and releasing to Clifford. Oh well let’s see what these boys are made of next weekend. Great bunch either way. Can't understand why everyone thinks Donaghy is going to solve all Kerry's problems , he didn't do it last year against Mayo. Was Donaghy going to catch a bar of soap out there today? Really ? That was so disappointing bar Clifford who done the business
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Post by oldschool on Jul 15, 2018 20:09:03 GMT
Oh My God. What a poor display. What happened? Where is the spirit? The same type of attitude as our U 20s yesterday. Poor passing. poor shooting. Kick out strategy still not right. No strong running. Kieran Donaghy should have got a run. Not too impressed with JOD. The really disappointing thing about this display today is that I know this team is capable of so much more. Let's hope Clones brings a result.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Jul 15, 2018 20:11:13 GMT
What was the story with the three being brought on in the 65th minute? 5 minutes of normal time remaining. I was bamboozled how some lads stayed on so long. I’d say those 3 lads had one or two possessions between them. Not there fault, would Darran Sullivan not ask questions of a tiring Galway defence with 15 mins to go, he’d win a free or two anyway.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 15, 2018 20:16:39 GMT
Can you you use bad language on here.. God I'm raging two nights in a row.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 15, 2018 20:31:28 GMT
Maybe EF learned a few things from today, eg addressing the kick out issue for our kick outs AND those of the opposition. Just hoping this was a once off display. So disappointing
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Post by keane on Jul 15, 2018 20:33:03 GMT
I thought James was far from the worst of our forwards today. Would have carted McCarthy, O'Shea or even Geaney before him. O'Brien tried hard but got limited success for it. Geaney was incredibly disappointing. So casual at crucial stages and when we needed leaders he spent most of his time at handbags with that scut of a corner back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 20:33:23 GMT
Disgrace!! What a joke that was. Fitzmaurice tactically clueless. The worst performance I think ever seen under him. He should have gotten the boot in 2016.
Not all on him the players apart from David Clifford should be embarrassed . No hunger . Passing and shooting was terribly. The tacking was below u12 level. Overall diabolical display. Defeat against Monaghan will end a miserable year. Mr. Fitzmaurice please walk away and give someone with half a brain a chance.
This will Dublin’s easiest of the 4 in a row.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 15, 2018 20:38:28 GMT
Dublin would beat the pick of todays 2 teams
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Post by keane on Jul 15, 2018 20:39:35 GMT
I thought Foley did a decent job today also.
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Post by factman on Jul 15, 2018 20:39:49 GMT
I hope I'm wrong but we as a county may pay the cost early for our approach to super 8 , delirious to have intermediate and junior finals out of t way in April with clubs missing players for all sort of reasons,meeting clare and cork no use whatever giving false signals, county board never wanted fans in crokes park today, our schedule having club hurling on Friday, county league all weekend , we are happy ticking boxes
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Post by dano on Jul 15, 2018 20:48:46 GMT
Monaghan friend of mine talking about winning the AI after today. I don't think we've seen the last of Kerry though. Where was the fast and furious forward moves we saw in the previous two games.? So depressing to see Kerry so clueless at times. One of those days where I sensed from the onset that it was not our day. That Martin Kearney is hard to listen to and his glee at Kerry's woes today was shameful for a co commentator. David Clifford is the real deal, he stood out on a day to forget otherwise. Hopefully they can dust themselves off and take a win in Clones next week. We live in hope.
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Post by john4 on Jul 15, 2018 20:51:13 GMT
If they only fell over the line against Clare and Cork you wouldn't have come into today expecting a performance full of flair. The most disappointing thing for me now is, even if they hammer Monaghan and Kildare, and the whole country raving about them again, how do we know that they aren't going follow up on these wins with the most appalling performance you'd think they were never capable of. Where they're at now, you couldn't know what you are going to get. That's the killer.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 15, 2018 20:51:33 GMT
This was much worse than last year. Bad games sometimes don't look so bad on tv as the close up shots dominate. I was told it looked desperate on tv. Well it was much worse at it. The worst was the lack of energy, almost not wanting the ball, no appetite. Then there was the bad handling and shooting - the conditions are not an excuse - it rained around David Clifford too. Just carelessness.
When so many normally good players like Geaney, O'Shea, Murphy showed the same apathy, management must be looked at.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 15, 2018 20:59:37 GMT
Prediction: This won't be a straight line folks but an absolute roller coaster! Vital to win against Galway? Maybe or maybe not. Either way, we will learn an awful lot about the true health of this Kerry team for 2018. The great Mick O' was quoted to expect surprises and as usual his probably bang on. We could be beaten by Galway and get a win in Clones so expect this Super 8 thing like much of life not to go to script. The questions marks over the Kerry defence especially remain. The way an out of sorts and clearly low on morale Cork shredded us quite easily for two goals only reconfirms that defensively we still have a long way to go. Prior to the Cork game, I wrote here we cannot ignore how porous we have been for goals over the past 18 months. How many goals alone i wonder have been palmed into our net around the square in recent times? There's been a serious weakness by Kerry for some time to concede goals easily and teams have it well spotted. Moroever, I expect Galway to be extremely physical and they will attack our square early and often and go for those goals. Galway bang in a few goals and the oxygen and confidence gained will be huge. I actually do think Galway will probably win on Sunday and remind us of the reality of how far this young Kerry team must still travel defensively. I’d love to be totally wrong and naturally hope that I am. As mentioned at the outset, we will learn and grow an awful lot as a young and relatively up and coming team from this game and I still think we should probably qualify. PS: Best of luck to our Kerry team and management as they set out into the unknown of the Super 8s! Come on the Kingdom! Well I don't like being right here about the result in this one but there we are now! As suggested in my pre-game analysis, this is not a straight road and the possible surprise Mick O' was possibly hinting at indeed came to pass. What was more worrying was the look on Fitzmaurice's face at the end, he clearly looked confused and shocked. Hopefully the man had his head on straight before entering the Kerry dressing room. Now is not the time to panic! The post-mortems can come later down the road, it's all about getting heads right and getting a result in Clones. A tough task for sure but not an impossible one! The result today could be the making of us in the long run or the breaking of us for this year, if the heads are not completely focussed on the task now in hand - beating Monaghan. Monaghan like Galway will absolutely go full anaconda style with us and they will be very difficult to break down. Contracting myself, one post-mortem I must ask is why was Killian Young selected today? Where was Tadhg Morley? I’ve ignored rumours until now that Eamonn isn’t a fan of Tadhg but I just don’t understand it? Bringing Killian in felt like a personal decision for Fitzmaurice like bringing back Paul Galvin in 2015. Not saying family relationships influenced the decision but Fitzmaurice has left himself open to questioning here just like in 2015. I’m fan of Killian’s down through the years, he was Mr dependable but his been out of action a very long time and he was deservedly sent off today. Killian is normally a very clean player and when someone of his nature strikes it’s nothing less than a sign of declining powers. The team performance as someone else mentioned was like the 2015 All Ireland final and the dynamic of the team was clearly off. Seeing a gifted forward like Paul Geaney falling to his knees struggling for possession around the 70th minute in his own fullback line was a sad sight to behold in a lot of sad sights for us Kerry supporters – like Gooch chasing back in 2015.
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Post by augustafield on Jul 15, 2018 21:20:04 GMT
EF if you have any regard for Kerry and I know you must have please go NOW. You have been at the helm long enough and you have learned nothing - Dublin 2015 , Mayo last year - both Matches and probably worst of all today. Going to Croke Park today with high hopes of our new boys playing open fast long kicking football was dispelled after the opening 10 minutes when we were back to the slavish lateral hand passing . At least the kick ball into our full forward line woud have had at least a 60 % return and would give our forwards a reasonable chance of a good return . No Donaghy , who had been warming up , was a mistake . He would have caused concern among the Galway backs and would have eased pressure on JOD Clifford and Geany. But the sideline bring on 3 subs with 5 plus minutes to go who contributed nil. Walking back from Croker in the persistent drizzle did not inspire confidence after our performance today and while Monaghan are beatable one wonders do we have the balls to get the win which is absolutely essential to remain in the race for Sam . And to possibly face the Dubs - a poisoned chalice . We have the players , the young ones having been blooded in the League this year so maybe a run in the Championsip - short as it may be - and another run in the 18/19 League might assist in trying to stop Dubs 5 in a row . But without the present Managment led by EF. Sad to say as Management they have done nothing for Kerry football . And need to do the decent thing - GO NOW.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 15, 2018 21:21:38 GMT
Has to be said, absolutely wonderful performance by David Clifford again today, for a tall young man on a wet slippy field he held his balance better than most other players, the only one that showed a bit of energy all game through. T'would be a fair mess without him. Well said! He reminds me so much of Maurice Fitzgerald, another man who kept the flame alive on many days even when often surrounded by mediocrity as well. I hope David doesn’t have to wait as long as Maurice did for his first senior All Ireland title.
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Post by bannerman on Jul 15, 2018 21:34:53 GMT
Kerry are not as good as shown in victory over but are not as bad as shown in today's loss, they are somewhere in the middle. Is that good enough beat Monaghan ? I believe it is with a few minor alterations Few observations on today 1) clifford mighty game 2) Foley good 3) few points down and you bring on a worker like d walsh made no sense 4) Donaghy was good enough for time v clare and cork when he wasn't needed but today when game crying out for him
Kerry can only hope for second place now as Galway surely get another win and level teams are decided on head to head The perception is that will put us into semi with dublin but does anyone think Tyrone can topple them next week? Or would Tyrone now look at situation and think Galway be easier than Monaghan or kerry
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Post by richard00 on Jul 15, 2018 21:35:25 GMT
Lads bottom line is Fitzmaurice seems to have no motivation as a manager and for me you have to be encouraging your team from the sideline fitzmaurice never ever opens his mouth. Look at Kevin Walsh every decision that went against Galway today he let the referee knew and looked like he wanted to win. Fitzmaurice for me seems too quiet and doesn’t seem to be able to motivate this kerry team. Time for Peter Keane or a another well driven manager
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Post by mossie on Jul 15, 2018 21:37:48 GMT
by my count 6 Kerry players starting made their senior championship croke park debut today, not an excuse but something not touched on here, may have been a factor, a chastening debut for them
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 15, 2018 21:47:50 GMT
Gooch just nailed it on TSG, the big talking point is why Kerry didn't turn in Croker for the second game in a row. Today makes no sense from a Kerry point of view after the positivity of the Munster championship. Major disappointment, big step forward followed by a major reversal. It doesn't add up in my mind.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 15, 2018 21:49:40 GMT
Hard watching that muck after a long lourney, I have to say I feel reluctant to blame the players as it had a feel of a total systems failure by Kerry today, I’m not long in the door and having had a number of conversations with buddies on the way down it appears everyone is suffering from total football exacerbation. I think it’s fair to say we all know that this team is capabable of operating at a far higher level than the blunt and beige attitude shown today.
This well focused team trundled into Austin Stack Park a few sort months ago and opened a bag of particular tricks which which proved very effective and frustrated and stifled our ability to hurt them on the score board. I thought well done Galway, you wiped Eamon’s eye on this occasion but should we meet when our history and pride are on the table we will be a totally different animal with a well drilled team with a plethora of plans and tactics to deal with your setup.
Today I was actually stunned that Galway dropped the same dusty bag on the table and unfolded the same system and the realization that the Kerry managment drove to the Croke Park changing room with the same deck and the same failed game plan to deal with it is just astonishing. Donacha has been a great servent to Kerry but it fails me to see what he could have brought to the game at the ever growing severity of our homeliness. Eamon should have thrown Donaghy on, the crowd would have exploded with support if not out of the hope that he could have changed things but the hope that we would change the repetition of the tactical nativity that was an ongoing event for the suffering Kerry support. The 2015 final was a particular low for the Kerry managment, at least today they went one better, if it’s wet next week were going to really struggle in the badlands of northern negativity. Today we may have just hit rock bottom and it may well provoke the necessary reaction for next week, if not we are well off where we think we are. Next Sunday is where we will learn what they are made of, I just know they will be a different animal, the worst kind !! Ciarrai Abú
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 15, 2018 21:55:00 GMT
The Co Board made its bed with Fitzmaurice until 2020 ... they can lie in it now. It would be no harm to lose in Clones and make the Co Board face the reality of an empty Fitzgerald Stadium on the Saturday of the Bank Holiday weekend.
I'm livid and considering not traveling to a Championship game for the first time since 2000 ... although the greater cause and addiction will more than likely quell my anger.
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Post by veteran on Jul 15, 2018 22:11:50 GMT
Paralysed once more by barren tactics. You really had to be sitting at the Canal End to appreciate the bankruptcy of our line up. A bunched line up the middle of the field with forwards withdrawn resulting in the dog fight I feared. It is beyond my powers of reasoning to imagine what we get up to week after week in the training field.
As far as I can recall we brought on BJK and Michael Burns very late in the game at the same time. Two similar type players and KD is left on the line. Daft or not.?
Was Tadgh Morley injured or was he dropped in favour of Kiillian? Kliiian flying in training I suppose! It was a costly alteration.
Mark Griffin came on late in the game at the Canal End. A bag of nerves and promptly gave away a baby free. Clearly Roman Shanahan is not rated for summer football.
JO'D , on the evidence of what I saw in the first half at the Canal End , no longer has the stomach for intercounty football.
Shane Murphy had a a few wayward kicks out but in his defence the a lot of his colleagues had little interest in making themselves available .
Reagardless of the efforts of individual players , or the lack thereof, when there is a systems failure management have to face the music first.
In spite of the disappointment at the loss the most salient point is this. If this is the best that two such highly rated teams can offer then football is terminally ill. Sweet Lord , it was a llomg tiring return journey to witness such drivel. How long more will people tolerate it.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 15, 2018 22:16:49 GMT
Just in the door. Haven't had a chance to watch it back.
Disaster. We went back to the old nonsense of sitting deep. At one stage in the second half only the Galway keeper was in his own half.
We did half assed pushing up on the kick outs. Midfield struggled all day as the Galway pair blocked our lads jumping etc. You could blame the ref but Moran shouldn't have left himself be bullied.
I worry about next week
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Post by bomberliston on Jul 15, 2018 22:18:39 GMT
That was horrible today.
We played the game on Galways terms from the very first minute and guess what? Galway are better at this game than we are! WHAT A SURPRISE!
Management trying to be too clever? Affording Galway too much respect? Or just a terrible day at the office?
Today was as bad, if not worse than the likes of Down 2010 and Donegal 2012. At least with the new format, we are still in the series, just about....
Well done David Clifford, great performance.
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 15, 2018 22:21:08 GMT
Set up for a cracker next week!
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Post by oldschool on Jul 15, 2018 22:23:03 GMT
Just 2 further points. (1) Just listening to Sunday game. Kerry gifted Galway the ball 20times (2) Any chance EF could study tape of Dubs V Donegal yesterday with a view to developing kick out strategy
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Post by mossie on Jul 15, 2018 22:23:42 GMT
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you are correct, how long more will people watch the manure of a game served up today. Some blaming conditions for the poor fare which just doesn't stack up. I watched Limerick v Kilkenny in the hurling before dashing into Croke Park, they served up a classic in the same conditions. And remember Kerry v Galway classic in a monsoon about 10 years ago, the year escapes me
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