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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 24, 2018 1:17:28 GMT
From watching the recording of the game after driving back to Dublin, Rory Deanes black card was a joke. Sam Ryans one was harsh but Stephen O briens was deserved. Cork have no forwards who were prepared to shoot for a point.
The new PuiC is a very nice stadium.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jun 24, 2018 1:59:11 GMT
I was raging when Ruairi Deane got the black card. The game ended as a contest then. I fully expected Cork to invoke the spirit of West Cork men like Calahane, Counihan and a few more and rattle a few of the younger kerry players but it never happened. I will have to watch the recording before commenting much more apart from wondering why the old brigade were brought on a subs...i mean we know what bjk does in these type of games. Very hard to know where kerry stand just now. Its not good for the game to see cork slip back so far... I though bringing on the subs worked well they all done well and looked like they needed every minute they got Donaghy looked as good I’m the air as ever but I thought he passed a few times when he should have taken his own score especially the goal chance he had where he decided to pass backward s instead of going for it . Barry John was as hungry as ever and it was great to see Mark Griffin believe me we will need all these so called old brigade for the long road ahead this summer 8 shots dropped short. Tells you we have lots to work on And how did Ruari Dean do so much damage in a short time on the field? Plenty questions for our defense too here. Very harsh on Dean to be sent off but in both goals he very cleverly seemed to take out defenders with an illegal screen Expertly done but ref not buying it twice !!!
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2018 6:31:20 GMT
Branigan was going a bit mad with the black cards there at one stage; looked like the benches were going to be emptied early if he didn't stop. Of the three, I thought Sam Ryan's was the only one that was in the spirit of the black card rule i.e. man getting away from him in a threatening position. Stephen's foul was silly but hardly cynical. Deane's card was bizarre.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2018 6:51:48 GMT
On the game, I don't think many of us foresaw a rout like that. Plenty to be happy about and a bit to work on too.
A few thoughts...
Cork's second goal was surely a throw by Ruairi Deane.
Fantastic work rate by Kerry last night. Tackling in particular seems to have improved immeasurably.
Of the starters, Gavin White, Moran, Geaney and Begley stood out. Jack Barry needs to work on his decision making though - great engine but doesn't seem to know what to do when he gets away and runs into trouble unnecessarily.
Kevin Mac made a huge statement when he came on. Should have shot for goal though when he burst through the middle one time instead of passing to BJK who was in a worse position.
An awful lot of shots left short, some inexplicably. Surely the ball wasn't heavy? Not that it mattered a whole lot last night but you don't want bad habits either.
Pitch seemed to be very slippy in parts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 7:20:49 GMT
Excellent performance by Kerry. Cork were poor is a caveat but that shouldn't take from a great display. The movement of our forwards was breathtaking and after a poor start our backs got to total grips of the whatever Cork had to offer. Moran and Barry dominated midfield which provided the necessary platform for our attack. Clifford, geaney, McCarthy, white, o Shea, and Stephen o Brien were all on fire. Some of our decision making was a hit wayward at times but that bit of cuteness will come with more game time. Kerry at underage and senior have completely obliterated any opposition in Munster this year. My fear going forward is how to manage all this young talent. We have an abundance of young gifted footballers and you'd worry about how all this will be managed. No county in the country has this much young talent to manage, not even the dubs. Its a great problem in one way but I just hope we manage it the best possible way over the coming years.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2018 7:34:01 GMT
I believed we would win pulling up and that's what happened. Maybe now we can stop with the usual cliches about history etc. Cork were abysmal really.
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Post by carthalawn on Jun 24, 2018 7:58:22 GMT
Good Kerry performance against a Cork side that were lamentable,
Similar to the Clare game, we are playing with much more cohesion, purpose and movement. The lads are literally bouncing off the turf.
Kerry half-back line were immense- tackling, pace. movement and communication.
Foley and Begley won their respective battles in the fullback line - Foley in particular stood out.
Moran played to 74th minute - one of his better games aside from two misjudged kicks at goal.
SoB had another fine game prior to exit - Kevin Mc played himself onto the starting 15.
Geaney is an aristocrat - sensational last night. JoD played well with good distribution and seems more settled, DC another day of progress - may have tried a little to hard in spots.
The press and positioning on the Cork kick out was fascinating and well executed. Points to a well drilled outfit. Our tackling was a lot sharper last night.
Bigger tests ahead but serious momentum building
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 24, 2018 8:05:59 GMT
You'd be thinking if Kerry can build their defence they are better equipped in attack than Mayo to beat Dublin. Provincial finals are still huge events, the danger in Munster & Leinster is that Dublin & Kerry are running away from the rest! Cracking new stadium even if the pitch needs attention.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 24, 2018 8:37:34 GMT
EF has been bold in giving youth its fling and is now being well rewarded - admittedly its early days but when did we last see a wing back a la Gavin White bursting from deep and causing consternation in the opposition? He was, in my opinion, very close to Paul Geaney for the Laochra Gael, which says so much about Geaney's performance - he was absolutely immense in everything he did, goals/points a joy to see - his point in the first half, off his left, nearing half time as good as I have ever seen from an awkward angle. There are so many positives from last night but strangely I think our bench is limited - Kevin McCarthy has earned his right to start next outing given the subdued display from Michéal Burns but I thought Darran did not do enough to put any pressure on any starting forwards, nor did BJK - Star is an option for 15/20 mins and offers a very different dimension. Next to Burns I was disappointed overall with JO'D - maybe its lack of game time but I thought he was ponderous at times and in the 2nd half did not seem to be looking for ball, in contrast to Geaney/Clifford - hopefully this game will stand to him. We are in good shape no doubt, but the paucity of the opposition was hard to credit at times - I thought we would win this with something to spare but did not think it would be so easy - Cork are in serious decline, division 2 football shown up against the big boys - they are going nowhere fast and it will be hard to see them raise any sort of gallop for their next outing.
The Super 8s now await and we should have a feast of football - Galway on the weekend of 14/15th plus two games against qualifiers/ losing finalists - assuming that Fermanagh and Laois are those finalists I would expect neither to progress against the 4 qualifiers with the likes of Mayo, Monaghan & Tyrone there - think we will definitely end up with the 8 best teams in the country fighting it out for Sam - the Dubs are the favourites and rightly so, but there was something in the air last night in PUIC that makes me think we are serious contenders now.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 24, 2018 8:49:38 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry team and management on retaining the Munster title. Kerry breezing to Munster final victories in men’s football anyway at all levels over the weekend, minor, under-20 and now the seniors emphasising a complete stranglehold on the province. Cork are in a tough place and when they look across the county bounds to see a new green & gold machine emerging in what is just year one for many the task is not going to get any easier in the foreseeable future.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2018 8:53:11 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry team and management on retaining the Munster title. Kerry breezing to Munster final victories in men’s football anyway at all levels over the weekend, minor, under-20 and now the seniors emphasising a complete stranglehold on the province. Cork are in a tough place and when they look across the county bounds to see a new green & gold machine emerging in what is just year one for many the task is not going to get any easier in the foreseeable future. Em.. we should probably wait until next weekend to declare that one. Looking good alright though.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 24, 2018 8:56:51 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry team and management on retaining the Munster title. Kerry breezing to Munster final victories in men’s football anyway at all levels over the weekend, minor, under-20 and now the seniors emphasising a complete stranglehold on the province. Cork are in a tough place and when they look across the county bounds to see a new green & gold machine emerging in what is just year one for many the task is not going to get any easier in the foreseeable future. Em.. we should probably wait until next weekend to declare that one. Looking good alright though. Sorry, yes, you're right of course, and we should see a cracking Muster Under 20 final next weekend.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2018 9:01:24 GMT
Em.. we should probably wait until next weekend to declare that one. Looking good alright though. Sorry, yes, you're right of course, and we should see a cracking Muster Under 20 final next weekend. A convincing win here would really keep the foot on the throat. Anyone know what Cork U20s are like?
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 24, 2018 9:09:04 GMT
Sorry, yes, you're right of course, and we should see a cracking Muster Under 20 final next weekend. A convincing win here would really keep the foot on the throat. Anyone know what Cork U20s are like? www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0622/972573-cork-grind-out-win-over-clare-in-under-20-championship/It seems Cork ground out a hard fought victory over Clare in the semi. In truth, Cork have given our minor teams of recent vintage probably their toughest challenges most years even as we pushed on to win All Ireland's. How the Cork football fraternity will be hoping for a victory by their under-20s in Tralee to keep the flame alive at this stage.
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Post by meg2013 on Jun 24, 2018 9:15:46 GMT
Did anyone notice after Corks 2nd goal that Geaney ran over to Fitzmaurice and seemed to be fairly animated/angry.?? May have been nothing but a number of people sitting around us noticed it.
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Post by southward on Jun 24, 2018 9:21:19 GMT
Did anyone notice after Corks 2nd goal that Geaney ran over to Fitzmaurice and seemed to be fairly animated/angry.?? May have been nothing but a number of people sitting around us noticed it. Probably at him to get the marking of Deane sorted out. It was pretty shabby for the second goal in particular.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 24, 2018 9:21:20 GMT
A strange game, a beautiful stadium, a crazy opening 10 minutes and a procession for Kerry thereafter. It's not really worth analysing the game too much,such was the paltry and embarrassing opposition provided by Cork. They just gave up after 20 minutes when Rory Deane was black carded for a body check, I think. Either way, whether he stayed on the pitch or not, the result would have been much the same. In the upper South stand, so many cork supporters were frustrated at the unwillingness of cork players to have a cut at a point from just outside the D. Anyway, enough about Cork. We have added searing pace in important positions. Gavin White was brilliant, at times. Jack Barry tore holes in the Cork defence and we had Paul Geaney on fire, once again. One of the passes he gave across the field in the first half was simply sublime. I was looking forward to seeing the recording again when I got up this morning, unfortunately, it didn't record.Kevin Mc Carthy showed some serious skill and pace but I wish he backed himself rather than passing off the ball. It appears he doesn't have a lot of confidence in his own shooting ability, which is surprising. Our movement in the forward line was excellent and the Cork defence didn't know which way to go. Still concerned about Morley & Crowley. I think they are there for the taking against a better quality opposition. I really enjoyed the way young Foley played, he's made of the right stuff and it was good for his confidence to do so well. How many times did Jameso fall over yesterday? It must have been nearly double figures. Clifford was good but has lots to learn, still. Seán O Shea is really turning into a high quality no 11, what we have been missing since Declan retired. Roll on the super 8's, can't come quick enough.
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Post by yourholiness on Jun 24, 2018 9:28:55 GMT
Stadium was lovely . Geaney’s diagonal cross field pass topped it though . Cork were bereft of any discernible plan. Kerry tacking was really good and disciplined .
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Post by buck02 on Jun 24, 2018 9:35:06 GMT
I believed we would win pulling up and that's what happened. Maybe now we can stop with the usual cliches about history etc. Cork were abysmal really. It won't stop the same people next year saying Cork, tradition, long grass blah, blah, blah. Fantastic display. The forwards are moving really well and to be honest, I'm glad that the subs who came in up front didn't light the place up. They will be like demons in training the next two weeks making up for it. We did very well on the Cork kickout too which was pleasing to see. The signs from the first two games are good and our rivals must sense there is something different about this team. The new stadium is really nice so kudos to our neighbours for that. Pitch was a bit slippery however, in both games there were playing hitting the deck when trying to turn.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 24, 2018 10:49:58 GMT
You'd be thinking if Kerry can build their defence they are better equipped in attack than Mayo to beat Dublin. Provincial finals are still huge events, the danger in Munster & Leinster is that Dublin & Kerry are running away from the rest! Cracking new stadium even if the pitch needs attention. The novelty of the new PUC and seeing the next generation of Kerry footballers was an attraction this time but Cork were so shockingly supine yesterday apart, from Deane,that having 10+ point victories for the next ten years is now a serious prospect. If Cluxton plays today then Leinster could be a rout too. We will end up with 8 good teams in the super 8 in 2018 but how they get to those 8 teams in the future needs reflection.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 24, 2018 10:52:31 GMT
I was very impressed with Gavin White.
The pace in the side is great to see.
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Post by glengael on Jun 24, 2018 11:31:17 GMT
Cork could improve in the qualifiers and come back to form as they have done before. Or they could go the way they did in 2015.
Kerry deserve congratulations for this win. EF maintains a 100% run in Munster.
but we are in new territory now so let us not get carried away....
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 24, 2018 13:46:26 GMT
Great performance but we must remember it was only a mid term exam and Cork were very poor. They were so inept that we must look at it as if it were against division 3 or even 4 opposition. They have very serious problems and it will be a loss to football if they have an Offaly like demise.
During the league Kerry appeared to be on a definite training schedule which they didn't interrupt for games. They are still a long way from peaking but are on a far superior path to last year.
The referee has rightly come in for some criticism but he got one decision spot on - the black card for the foul on Clifford. That was exactly the type of foul the card was introduced for.
Clifford had a great game but he is still adjusting to senior level. The defenders get so close and physical that he focuses totally on getting his shot away but the destination of the shot is not getting enough attention. He will learn.
Donaghy and 5 or 6 more have work to do also. As others have said James was off the boil last night. I thought that it was because sometimes with a lot of random youthful energy the game does not develop a pattern that it would with experienced players and James couldn't pick up the tune.
As I said a good mid term report.
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Post by beantownfan on Jun 24, 2018 14:32:27 GMT
It is amazing how far Cork have fallen, and to think they were literally trouncing Kerry at senior and under age less than a decade ago (remember James O, Stephen etc got a hammering in an u21 munster final etc..) It is hard to know where exactly we stand due to the lack of threatening opposition, but one thing is clear, a massive amount of pace has been injected into this team and the tackling at the back has definitely been worked on. I was highly impressed with Gavin White, he was my man of the match outside of Geaney. But with White, Morley, Foley, O'Brien, O'Shea, Burns, Jack Barry you've a set of men with pace to burn. I think it was on this thread, or maybe another, where it was mentioned about Kilkenny bullying Paul Murphy.. As good as Paul is, management will have to be wary of his opposite number's physique as Rory Dean also gave him enough of it last night for the brief spell he was marking him.. Onto the super 8s!
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 24, 2018 17:30:49 GMT
Fist of all what a great performance. A performance that would get you excited for times ahead. Is it true that the reason Gavin Crowley wasn't on the panel yesterday is that he recently had an operation on an injury?
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Post by dc84 on Jun 24, 2018 17:52:32 GMT
EF has been bold in giving youth its fling and is now being well rewarded - admittedly its early days but when did we last see a wing back a la Gavin White bursting from deep and causing consternation in the opposition? He was, in my opinion, very close to Paul Geaney for the Laochra Gael, which says so much about Geaney's performance - he was absolutely immense in everything he did, goals/points a joy to see - his point in the first half, off his left, nearing half time as good as I have ever seen from an awkward angle. There are so many positives from last night but strangely I think our bench is limited - Kevin McCarthy has earned his right to start next outing given the subdued display from Michéal Burns but I thought Darran did not do enough to put any pressure on any starting forwards, nor did BJK - Star is an option for 15/20 mins and offers a very different dimension. Next to Burns I was disappointed overall with JO'D - maybe its lack of game time but I thought he was ponderous at times and in the 2nd half did not seem to be looking for ball, in contrast to Geaney/Clifford - hopefully this game will stand to him. We are in good shape no doubt, but the paucity of the opposition was hard to credit at times - I thought we would win this with something to spare but did not think it would be so easy - Cork are in serious decline, division 2 football shown up against the big boys - they are going nowhere fast and it will be hard to see them raise any sort of gallop for their next outing. The Super 8s now await and we should have a feast of football - Galway on the weekend of 14/15th plus two games against qualifiers/ losing finalists - assuming that Fermanagh and Laois are those finalists I would expect neither to progress against the 4 qualifiers with the likes of Mayo, Monaghan & Tyrone there - think we will definitely end up with the 8 best teams in the country fighting it out for Sam - the Dubs are the favourites and rightly so, but there was something in the air last night in PUIC that makes me think we are serious contenders now. The draw tomorrow will be crucial if monaghan tyrone or mayo are drawn together cpuld end up with armagh or someone like that. On JOD and clifford i wonder would they be better served if Clifford played at full forward, i think it would suit him he doesnt quite have the searing pace for the corner. And move JOD to 13 more natural for a lefty. Big problem with that is Geaney is so lethal at 14 !
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 24, 2018 17:53:40 GMT
Fist of all what a great performance. A performance that would get you excited for times ahead. Is it true that the reason Gavin Crowley wasn't on the panel yesterday is that he recently had an operation on an injury? Not sure on the op but he played county league on Friday night vs Beaufort. Maybe Kerry management felt that he needed some game time.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 24, 2018 17:54:46 GMT
EF has been bold in giving youth its fling and is now being well rewarded - admittedly its early days but when did we last see a wing back a la Gavin White bursting from deep and causing consternation in the opposition? He was, in my opinion, very close to Paul Geaney for the Laochra Gael, which says so much about Geaney's performance - he was absolutely immense in everything he did, goals/points a joy to see - his point in the first half, off his left, nearing half time as good as I have ever seen from an awkward angle. There are so many positives from last night but strangely I think our bench is limited - Kevin McCarthy has earned his right to start next outing given the subdued display from Michéal Burns but I thought Darran did not do enough to put any pressure on any starting forwards, nor did BJK - Star is an option for 15/20 mins and offers a very different dimension. Next to Burns I was disappointed overall with JO'D - maybe its lack of game time but I thought he was ponderous at times and in the 2nd half did not seem to be looking for ball, in contrast to Geaney/Clifford - hopefully this game will stand to him. We are in good shape no doubt, but the paucity of the opposition was hard to credit at times - I thought we would win this with something to spare but did not think it would be so easy - Cork are in serious decline, division 2 football shown up against the big boys - they are going nowhere fast and it will be hard to see them raise any sort of gallop for their next outing. The Super 8s now await and we should have a feast of football - Galway on the weekend of 14/15th plus two games against qualifiers/ losing finalists - assuming that Fermanagh and Laois are those finalists I would expect neither to progress against the 4 qualifiers with the likes of Mayo, Monaghan & Tyrone there - think we will definitely end up with the 8 best teams in the country fighting it out for Sam - the Dubs are the favourites and rightly so, but there was something in the air last night in PUIC that makes me think we are serious contenders now. The draw tomorrow will be crucial if monaghan tyrone or mayo are drawn together cpuld end up with armagh or someone like that. On JOD and clifford i wonder would they be better served if Clifford played at full forward, i think it would suit him he doesnt quite have the searing pace for the corner. And move JOD to 13 more natural for a lefty. Big problem with that is Geaney is so lethal at 14 ! A few people have said this but he is no slouch!!
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Post by dc84 on Jun 24, 2018 18:03:29 GMT
The draw tomorrow will be crucial if monaghan tyrone or mayo are drawn together cpuld end up with armagh or someone like that. On JOD and clifford i wonder would they be better served if Clifford played at full forward, i think it would suit him he doesnt quite have the searing pace for the corner. And move JOD to 13 more natural for a lefty. Big problem with that is Geaney is so lethal at 14 ! A few people have said this but he is no slouch!!Oh i know just think he would be better at 14 thats all!
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 24, 2018 19:01:27 GMT
It is amazing how far Cork have fallen, and to think they were literally trouncing Kerry at senior and under age less than a decade ago (remember James O, Stephen etc got a hammering in an u21 munster final etc..) It is hard to know where exactly we stand due to the lack of threatening opposition, but one thing is clear, a massive amount of pace has been injected into this team and the tackling at the back has definitely been worked on. I was highly impressed with Gavin White, he was my man of the match outside of Geaney. But with White, Morley, Foley, O'Brien, O'Shea, Burns, Jack Barry you've a set of men with pace to burn. I think it was on this thread, or maybe another, where it was mentioned about Kilkenny bullying Paul Murphy.. As good as Paul is, management will have to be wary of his opposite number's physique as Rory Dean also gave him enough of it last night for the brief spell he was marking him.. Onto the super 8s! That ball between Murphy and Deane was a high ball to the edge of the square and was the responsibility of a commanding full back. To attribute responsibility to Murphy is unfair.
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