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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 24, 2018 19:29:43 GMT
Replays are hard for families to afford and a day out in Croker is a major and extra expense. What with the prospect of more games if we win, rural Ireland in decline and fear of the fallout from Brexit, people have become cautious, moreover as the recovery won't be felt everywhere. People love watching their team and supporting the players so they don't stay away without good reason and food on the table is often the choice hard pressed families are forced into making.
Knowing Mickey Sheehy I don't think he engaged the tongue before the brain and maybe he should have learned from the animals saga, though the latter was only a bit of banter and the only wans who took it up wrong were the wans who could do something about it and that they did.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 24, 2018 22:01:53 GMT
Lots of hostile response to Mikeys comments about the poor Kerry support. He's dead right. The truth hurts. Our support is poor. Yet come All Ireland final time all the genuine fans lose out or have to scrape beg borrow etc while those who watched on tv all year swan up for the final Bollocks, Bollocks, Five-Star-Rated Bollocks Genuine fans purchase season tickets. Buying season ticket does not equate to bring a genuine supporter. Im just saying that Mikey and players are right to be pissed off in an all ire semi when they look into the stands and see 10-1 ratio opposition fans to Kerry fans. It certainly hurt me on both days to see so many mayo fans to Kerry. For a county of its size we should have better support in an all ire semi. Mikey spot on
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 24, 2018 22:04:34 GMT
Will the team be named in Friday ? The Kerryman today is suggesting this team Brian Kelly Jason Foley Shane Enright Ronan Shanahan Cormac Coffey Paul Murphy Mathew Flaherty Brendan Sullivan Jack Barry Seanie Shea James O Steven O Brien Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford DECENT team
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Post by veteran on Jan 24, 2018 22:11:48 GMT
I agree with you Deise . Like Mikey, I too am very disappointed with the number of Kerry followers at some of our matches. It certainly would not compare with the support Mayo,get from their team and remember they probably have been to Croke Park as often as us over the past twenty years. But as usual, come the final, these absentees are the ones most likely to lament their inability to get a ticket. I know plenty of them in my neck of the woods.
In that interview, it should be noted that Mikey also admitted management mistakes in the Mayo replay. I suppose I am particularly ssensitive to this mild mannered man, so humble and inoffensive that he affected an almost apologetic gait when he performed wondrous deeds in so many games . I must confess I was particularly irked when one poster here , to bolster his criticism of Mikey in connection with his supporters' remarks, went to say that it was alright for him with his free travel, free ticket, free meals etc! Should Mikey be out of pocket because of his managerial commitment to Kerry? In the same vein , should he have been out of pocket in his days as a Kerry player. Regardless of any comments made by Mikey , even they were hugely offensive- they were scarcely that- only somebody with a very short and distorted memory would snidely allude to any fringe benefits accruing to this supreme Kerryman. How quickly eaten bread is forgotten.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 24, 2018 22:36:29 GMT
Persnally I'm excited facing into what I hope is a season where new blood stakes and claims it's place on the team. A new dawn. I hope Eamonn Mikey and co can embrace this new future with positive attacking football inkeeping with our great tradition. I'm looking forward to Killarney on sunday
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 24, 2018 22:47:01 GMT
I think we all know the lads that are at all the club games and the lads that are at every intercounty game. It's always the same people. I've had days getting up at 3am in Newtownards, cycling to Belfast, taking a 4am bus to Dublin, then a bus to Killarney, just to be at a game and do the same 8 hour trek back after the game. Doesn't deserve any medals and it is something we choose to do to ourselves. In way too many games though the Kerry support is hardly to be seen or heard. We've even had games in Killarney and Tralee where away supporters outnumbered Kerry people. To me that is unacceptable despite the population. We all have reasons why we can't go and there are plenty of reasons why not every Kerry person is in the stadium, but given how well we think the county is supported and how many people turn up seem to be two very different things.
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Post by pillar on Jan 24, 2018 23:18:36 GMT
I think it's fair to say that given population,location and other factors Kerry hard core support is 3000-4000 max for home league games and even less for away league games.The remaining supporters will go if it's convenient and wouldn't go out of their way if it wasn't.Munster finals in Killarney and Cork will see your biggest support.Routine quarter finals in Croke Park are where you see the real hard core.After that it's the fair weather supporters time.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 25, 2018 9:05:18 GMT
The Kerryman today is suggesting this team Brian Kelly Jason Foley Shane Enright Ronan Shanahan Cormac Coffey Paul Murphy Mathew Flaherty Brendan Sullivan Jack Barry Seanie Shea James O Steven O Brien Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford DECENT team Yes, decent enough considering who is missing/available. Shane Murphy in goals though surely.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 25, 2018 9:40:52 GMT
Bollocks, Bollocks, Five-Star-Rated Bollocks Genuine fans purchase season tickets.And I say seven-star-rated bollocks to that. I've said it before. Whats the point in buying a season ticket if you play senior with your club, or are involved in managing or administration of your senior club team. Or you are a 'genuine' supporter of your club team? County League clashes with a round of the NFL and I'm sure lots of Divisional League games will clash with the earlier rounds. You might be very lucky to have nothing on the weekend of 3 league games. And this year is a big improvement on years gone by as the NFL is finishing so early. There is a county league game on the same weekend as the U20 Munster Quarter Final and Final. There is county league the same weekend of the first Super 8s game which is also the weekend of the U20 AI Semi Final. The U20 final is on the same weekend as the last Super 8's game. You say the genuine fan purchases a season ticket. Many of these genuine fans with season tickets might go to 10 or 12 games of football a year. There genuine football fans who will go to 10 or 12 games before the end of April that wont bother buying season tickets cos they wouldnt have the attendance requirements needed to get them a final ticket. You make a very compelling argument. I should probably apologise to Deise Exile for being so abrupt and black and white. My comment is aimed squarely at those who say they are a genuine fan because they "go to all the league games".
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 25, 2018 9:41:56 GMT
Bollocks, Bollocks, Five-Star-Rated Bollocks Genuine fans purchase season tickets. Buying season ticket does not equate to bring a genuine supporter. Im just saying that Mikey and players are right to be pissed off in an all ire semi when they look into the stands and see 10-1 ratio opposition fans to Kerry fans. It certainly hurt me on both days to see so many mayo fans to Kerry. For a county of its size we should have better support in an all ire semi. Mikey spot on I was only interested in the comment re: scrambling for a ticket. I am sorry for being so abrupt with you. It is of course not a black and white issue. My anger is directed at those who say "I was at all the league games but couldn't get a ticket for the All-Ireland".
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 25, 2018 9:59:11 GMT
Ok, re fairweather support, and I'll cut to the chase here and at the considerable risk of the inevitable backlash from opening a can of worms, poking the bear, spelling out the elephant in the room, etc- Kerry is economically more unequal than most counties in that we have tourism business people and biggish 'plc' farmers, many self made and for the greater part hard working of course. At the same time we have a football team that play more away games than most and the reality is that families on lower wages, and which is the majority, have at times to make hard decisions. In this case a replay was out of reach for many, if only because it was 'unplanned', and I just think Mickey was not mindful of this, if unintentionally, and probably blinded by his own passion.
On top of it this maybe it was also that people from the South of the county couldn't get/take the 'unplanned' time off in what was the peak of the tourist season and there will be members who are more familiar with this. What also springs to mind is the visiting Aussie Rules boyos finding it hilarious to see their formidable opponent behind the screen in the local bank as they withdrew from their salary to party.
The bottom line is that if a Kerry family have the means, supporting their colours will only be second to putting food on the table, and that is above and beyond criticism?
But the GAA still get a few bob from the Sky pay-per-game and which invites pay-by-game!
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Post by jackiel on Jan 25, 2018 11:19:34 GMT
to be fair there are many types of genuine fan out there , I know loads who don't miss anything from U17 up to Senior with some hurling thrown in for good measure. I'm in Meath and it's just not possible for me to attend all matches. I also steward in Croke Park so am committed there especially in the height of the season. Throw in 2 grandchildren in Roscommon and I spread myself pretty thin come the summer time. I will be heading to Killarney this weekend and will hopefully make another home league match and of course the Dublin match in CP. I was speaking to one of the players last weekend who was surprised that I was making the trip down for the Donegal match. We all do the best we can, time and resources are limited and sure even the Dubs have fair weather supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:43:08 GMT
Can we establish a hierarchy of fans so that we know who are genuine and who are fairweather
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Post by jackiel on Jan 25, 2018 12:21:14 GMT
I don't really care how I'm classified.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 12:24:38 GMT
Of course not
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 25, 2018 19:54:51 GMT
Buying season ticket does not equate to bring a genuine supporter. Im just saying that Mikey and players are right to be pissed off in an all ire semi when they look into the stands and see 10-1 ratio opposition fans to Kerry fans. It certainly hurt me on both days to see so many mayo fans to Kerry. For a county of its size we should have better support in an all ire semi. Mikey spot on I was only interested in the comment re: scrambling for a ticket. I am sorry for being so abrupt with you. It is of course not a black and white issue. My anger is directed at those who say "I was at all the league games but couldn't get a ticket for the All-Ireland". No offence taken. We're all passionate Kerry supporters here. Can't wait to see the team for Sunday
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 25, 2018 20:36:13 GMT
Can we establish a hierarchy of fans so that we know who are genuine and who are fairweather Which group is the corner stone, the blue blood royals that run the clubs and just go the All-Ireland final or the loons that go to every Kerry game, fund the association, and only go to the county final? Whats in between, the K4s in the middle classes that like to be seen at a selection of big Kerry games, big championship club games, a few county league games for penance and the biannual NFL game in Croker and Jurys reception area greeting the masses. Don't forget the fly by nights that just go to the all-Ireland final.
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Post by homerj on Jan 25, 2018 21:24:23 GMT
When is the team announced?
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Post by diego on Jan 25, 2018 21:29:21 GMT
When is the team announced? Friday night I imagine. Seems to be the trend in recent times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:30:21 GMT
Dont forget the auld lad who has not been to a game in 30 years but thinks modern day football is rubbish
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:33:26 GMT
When is the team announced? Friday night I imagine. Seems to be the trend in recent times. Yes, it will be Friday night.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 25, 2018 22:33:05 GMT
There won't be a lot to be gleaned from the selection itself because of the number unavailable and also the necessity to keep the age profile balanced.
The proof of the pudding will be the attitude shown in the game itself. Hope we see intelligent attacking football.
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Post by bomberliston on Jan 25, 2018 22:56:29 GMT
Can we establish a hierarchy of fans so that we know who are genuine and who are fairweather Can we not? Everyone's situation is different. I live and work in Dublin. I'm a season ticket holder and would love to go to all games but it's simply not possible. I go to as many as a I can. Other people will have similar stories. Celebrate what we have in common, we are all KERRY supporters! Not create divisions.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 25, 2018 23:06:22 GMT
Just read that the 20 years since 1996 has seen a 40pc decrease in people working in agriculture and fishing in the West, which includes Connacht along with the counties Clare and Donegal -and I wonder is Kerry much different? Narrowing margins mean the bar is rising all the time as regards the acreage required to survive and most holdings in the region are farmed part-time. The attraction to sell up is hard to resist and so the GAA club is no more. Ah maybe a site for each child might have a family set up their own club in time though with no jobs this is less likely.
What is even worse is that rural depopulation may accelerate as we come out of recession and construction wages draw fellas to the Pale. The evidence of this is that agricultural contractors are finding it increasingly hard to get drivers. Brexit could make this even worse as it will overheat the Pale while deflating farming with tariffs and fishing is also vulnerable.
The West might be best and hopefully it won't be lost because no matter how you look at it, the culture and style of play along the seaboard is a bit special - we are proper country folk, the original of the species.
And while I am repeating myself, be warned, the Dun na nGallers are not travelling to see The Great Lakes, I've been bantering with 'em and there is a belief I haven't sensed in quiet a while and which will make for a great contest. They have so much respect for Kerry and I think that the better the result for them the more confident they will be facing other teams and they will be hoping to improve at every stage. I know a lot of people think McGuinness is irreplaceable and while there may be an element of truth in that, remember the good that Dwyer did with us didn't evaporate when he moved on and Donegal will be no different. You could argue that Karl Lacey is as good if not better than Jim was when he was his age and Karl will have the benefit of what he learned from Jim and though it will be denied, these boys love their county so much that the phone will always be answered. Remember Brian O'Driscoll punishing Declan Kidney with what he had learned from his former master and it is only a fool that can't see a new breed of managers coming through, with Lacey leading the pack. And no, I haven't changed my loyalty, but I am in for some season with both my native and adopted counties well set up for some challenges. I have been to two games already and some of our own best encounters are handy enough day trips.
Ballythefireside quote of the day: Those living outside Kerry enjoy their holidays most! Ah living in Dun Na nGall is wee biteen speisialta too and inspired of Rock Silence and Forgotten County.
So there ya have it, and don't forget what I said about the silence of these rocks of my adopted county!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:19:02 GMT
I agree with you Deise . Like Mikey, I too am very disappointed with the number of Kerry followers at some of our matches. It certainly would not compare with the support Mayo,get from their team and remember they probably have been to Croke Park as often as us over the past twenty years. But as usual, come the final, these absentees are the ones most likely to lament their inability to get a ticket. I know plenty of them in my neck of the woods. In that interview, it should be noted that Mikey also admitted management mistakes in the Mayo replay. I suppose I am particularly ssensitive to this mild mannered man, so humble and inoffensive that he affected an almost apologetic gait when he performed wondrous deeds in so many games . I must confess I was particularly irked when one poster here , to bolster his criticism of Mikey in connection with his supporters' remarks, went to say that it was alright for him with his free travel, free ticket, free meals etc! Should Mikey be out of pocket because of his managerial commitment to Kerry? In the same vein , should he have been out of pocket in his days as a Kerry player. Regardless of any comments made by Mikey , even they were hugely offensive- they were scarcely that- only somebody with a very short and distorted memory would snidely allude to any fringe benefits accruing to this supreme Kerryman. How quickly eaten bread is forgotten. Spot on!
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 26, 2018 11:46:05 GMT
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Post by augustafield on Jan 26, 2018 12:11:01 GMT
Wish I could be as positive as some Posters about the upcoming League and Championship but being realistic is my problem . Last year our under 21s were the promising future of Kerry football. Galway soon put a stop to that and they in turn were dismantled by Dublin . So now we’re are to rely on the last 4 years minors and minor and senior football are two different animals . A recent Poster alluded to Con O Callaghans success with the Dubs - young and all as he is - but he had the protection and support of experienced players and winners to mind him . Where are our enforcers our protectors our Jonny Cooper and Philly McMahon ? It’s one thing to be bullied by Tyrone or Dublin but by Mayo last year ? Now that’s an indignity . Who was there to mind Jack Barry when Mayo got to work on him in the replay ? No doubt David Clifford and Sean O Shea will be targeted but who will stand up for them ? Debate about poor support on this forum ignited by Mikeys recent comments did touch on the teams Management - and rightly so . I personally know that after the drawn match against Mayo that people said it was a waste of time going to the replay after the feeble efforts by the team that day . And were they right when the replay team was announced ? Do I still believe that Tom O Sullivan was selected at corner forward ? After what happened in 2015 when P Galvin was brought on and James O Donoghue taken off did the Management learn anything ? Were we ever given an explanation why that switch was made ? It’s not good enough for an admission that mistakes “ were made “ without elaboration if those mistakes continue . And they were continued to the teams detriment . And that’s where hard realism kicks in for me . The team does not have the Management it deserves . The sideline shambles of the last few years continue unabated and remember it was only a last minute afterthought that brought the Star on to salvage a late reprieve against Mayo in ‘14 . It beggars belief that legends like Mikey and Maurice Fitzgerald could be party to this . So rein in the optimism for the year ahead . As usual we’ll be there or thereabouts at the business end but when game changing decisions need to be made our recent past does not bode well for the future .
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 26, 2018 15:38:46 GMT
Paragraphs please.
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Post by augustafield on Jan 26, 2018 16:13:49 GMT
For future reference - noted .
And I stand corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 18:01:13 GMT
Lack of paragraphs would not bother me as much
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