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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 18, 2018 10:49:55 GMT
Walking down Clonliffe road for the replay i remember being struck by the number of kerry fans up on a saturday afternoon from a county so heavily involved in tourism at that time of year. I would safely say that mayo had more to cheer about. I myself was simply stupified by the tactical shambles, the most notable being the inability to play a short kickout to a defender and for the defender to get the return handpass to the keeper and then build from the back....like mayo and dublin did in 2017. . Kerry kickouts were raffled up the middle where mayo won half of them. Mayo retained possession from nearly all of theirs. Imagine trying to win a rugby game where you lose half your own throw ins and all of the throw in by the opposition. Maybe mikey might explain the tactical shambles that day. And while he is at it, explain why shane ryan left the panel. As i understand it, it had nothing to do with not cutting the mustard in training. Well if Mikey wants to talk about embarrassing - nothing was more embarrassing for Kerry footfall on the day (well, apart from our goalkeeper putting a kickout wide behind his own endline) than the behaviour of a member of the selection team whose self discipline completely broke down as he made a right ejit of himself. They don’t want supporters at training sessions – fair enough - but they don’t want to hear any criticism either it seems even if most of it is constructive. Deflecting to the supporters is unfair, nor does it help the sense that since closing the doors to training this management team look down their nose a bit at the supporters. If there's a gap growing between the Kerry team and supporters, little wonder.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 18, 2018 10:58:50 GMT
Walking down Clonliffe road for the replay i remember being struck by the number of kerry fans up on a saturday afternoon from a county so heavily involved in tourism at that time of year. I would safely say that mayo had more to cheer about. I myself was simply stupified by the tactical shambles, the most notable being the inability to play a short kickout to a defender and for the defender to get the return handpass to the keeper and then build from the back....like mayo and dublin did in 2017. . Kerry kickouts were raffled up the middle where mayo won half of them. Mayo retained possession from nearly all of theirs. Imagine trying to win a rugby game where you lose half your own throw ins and all of the throw in by the opposition. Maybe mikey might explain the tactical shambles that day. And while he is at it, explain why shane ryan left the panel. As i understand it, it had nothing to do with not cutting the mustard in training. Well if Mikey wants to talk about embarrassing - nothing was more embarrassing for Kerry footfall on the day (well, apart from our goalkeeper putting a kickout wide behind his own endline) than the behaviour of a member of the selection team whose self discipline completely broke down as he made a right ejit of himself. They don’t want supporters at training sessions – fair enough - but they don’t want to hear any criticism either it seems even if most of it is constructive. Deflecting to the supporters is unfair, nor does it help the sense that since closing the doors to training this management team look down their nose a bit at the supporters. If there's a gap growing between the Kerry team and supporters, little wonder. Might serve Mikey better to watch what's going on out on the field instead of counting the number of Kerry supporters in the stands because all evidence has shown that neither him nor the rest on the line pay proper attention to the game. For the record, there was a good enough Kerry support present that day but once news of the starting 15 broke you could sense the anxiety of the Kerry crowd, which was proven to be justified. There was nothing to get vocal about.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 18, 2018 11:57:23 GMT
John is 30 and will be turning 31 this year (1987). He made a couple of provisional minor panels but never made an appearance for Kerry at any level. I always thought he was overlooked to be honest. He has never displayed great ball skills but does seem to know his limitations. He certainly is one of the best defenders in the county and has proved this over the last decade with Crokes, continuously picking up the prime danger men on the opposing teams. His age is not something that would concern me, certainly in the short term, as he has always minded his body well. I hope he gets a chance and does well. Thanks for that Hugh - nice to know what a player has done before. In the circumstance his age doesn't matter - Micko did the same with John Bunyan in 1975.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 20:22:58 GMT
Walking down Clonliffe road for the replay i remember being struck by the number of kerry fans up on a saturday afternoon from a county so heavily involved in tourism at that time of year. I would safely say that mayo had more to cheer about. I myself was simply stupified by the tactical shambles, the most notable being the inability to play a short kickout to a defender and for the defender to get the return handpass to the keeper and then build from the back....like mayo and dublin did in 2017. . Kerry kickouts were raffled up the middle where mayo won half of them. Mayo retained possession from nearly all of theirs. Imagine trying to win a rugby game where you lose half your own throw ins and all of the throw in by the opposition. Maybe mikey might explain the tactical shambles that day. And while he is at it, explain why shane ryan left the panel. As i understand it, it had nothing to do with not cutting the mustard in training. What is the reason for shane Ryan's absence then if it is not to do with training.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2018 23:57:40 GMT
Playing outfield for his club
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 19, 2018 12:27:37 GMT
John is 30 and will be turning 31 this year (1987). He made a couple of provisional minor panels but never made an appearance for Kerry at any level. I always thought he was overlooked to be honest. He has never displayed great ball skills but does seem to know his limitations. He certainly is one of the best defenders in the county and has proved this over the last decade with Crokes, continuously picking up the prime danger men on the opposing teams. His age is not something that would concern me, certainly in the short term, as he has always minded his body well. I hope he gets a chance and does well. Thanks for that Hugh - nice to know what a player has done before. In the circumstance his age doesn't matter - Micko did the same with John Bunyan in 1975. Tell us more re Johnny Bunyan (don't think he answers to John BTW) - I recall him having a specialist knack for dealing with the giant that was Cork's Humphrey Kelliher (RIP). Also a story re the puncture, Horse, Denihan, Bomber and Johnny lifting the car as wee Ogie swapped out the wheel! Didn't the Kerry team also train in his Ballyduff field of an evening? Johnny was a man-steel personified though he recalled the hardness of a knock from a lad by the name of Paidi who was making his senior debut. Bunyan also played hurling, rugby and soccer, though I always beat him at pool! Was that a sign of a mis-spent youth or was I keeping the barman busy the day the talent spotters were about?, ah sure the GAAs loss was Arthur's gain and I wouldn't be the first, nor the last! Sure didn't horse Kennelly tell Dwyer that he had the porter to thank for '79's Sam.
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Post by glengael on Jan 20, 2018 10:30:52 GMT
Playing outfield for his club He managed to retain Young Player of the Year and win the Senior Player of the Year at the recent East Kerry championship Awards.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 20, 2018 20:52:41 GMT
Donegal 0-20 Armagh 1-10
Donegal advanced to the final of Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup after a strong second-half performance saw them get the better of Armagh at Celtic Park.
With the Athletic Grounds and MacCumhaill Park deemed unplayable, this semi-final was switched to the Derry city venue.
A goal in the 14th minute from teenager Eamon McGeown had Kieran McGeeney's side on the front foot early on, but six points from Paddy McBrearty had Donegal level at the break - 1-6 to 0-09.
It was a case of one-way traffic on the resumption, with McBrearty eventually contributing 0-08, while Nathan Mullins was a powerhouse in midfield.
Sub Stephen McBrearty shone on his introduction with three points and the return of Ciaran Thompson will also aid Donegal's cause ahead of their Division 1 league opener away to Kerry next weekend.
Armagh's Division 3 campaign begins with a home game against Sligo.
The McKenna Cup final featuring Donegal and Tyrone will be played on the weekend of 17/18 February.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 21, 2018 15:10:25 GMT
I was at Donegal/Armagh game and it did nothing if only to confirm my previous aired opinion on here that Donegal's tour to Kerry will be limited to the scenery between the posts. What was remarkable was both teams' ability to find their FF line men from distance, and in the air much of the time, though the game fell apart in the second half mainly because an uncharacteristically tender Armagh tiring and maybe the task was a bit too much too soon. The situation was hardly helped by the moisture in the soil though Derry's Purdy pitch held up remarkably well with few enough slip/slides - someone said that a Derry panel of 16 had trained there 24 hours previous and the cut in the ground while visible, was of negligible consequence.
Many believed MOTM belonged to Paddy McBrearty and you could see why Spillane had him at 11 in the top 30 of 2017, and which was all the more remarkable given that my beloved buddies had an overall below par year. Paddy was well fed and what opportunities he didn't exploit, he created - I recall one instance where he single handedly made a point out of nothing, while being marked into an increasingly tight angle. His fielding grip was 100%, he could turn on a sixpence and split slot the eye on a needle, all the while dancing with sometimes multiple partners.
Nathan Mullins was a joy to watch and he just keeps giving - he'd be looking for ball going forward when another MF might lay back on defensive cover/watch duty mar ea, if you're with me! His physique is indistinguishable from daddy and that he got MOTM ahead of such a prolific high scorer tells it's own story.
Armagh are a fresh panel and their obvious potential will be realised as they challenge for promotion out of Div 3.
Either of the aforementioned Donegal duo were worth the entrance money alone and anyone thinking they will miss nothing by the fireside next Sunday will have regrets. Watching Brian Mullins 2.0 will rekindle memories in a beautiful way and you'd wonder how he can be handled with so much going for him.
Darrach 'Jigger' O'Connor at 15 also stood out and that this clan might have ongoing unfinished business with us might have him build on a determined Celtic Park display. Though I have yet to grace Croke Park myself I wonder that this lad roams so much and hopefully he won't read this for at least a week!
With a McKenna Cup final, Donegal are now on duty for 8 consecutive Sundays bar March 10th and whatever about the League, I don't think I am breaching the unofficial secrets act by saying that this is a stairs they hope will lead to the smell of the fresh mown grass of Clones on Ulster Final day.
Declan 'No Bones about it' Bonnar could wish for no finer a momento on his mantle piece than a Kerry scalp from his first senior Championship battle and only time will tell whether he gets his decoration or will Kerry make no bones about upsetting the auld skeleton in the closet.
PS The above is in the context of next Sunday as opposed to a match analysis.
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Post by homerj on Jan 21, 2018 16:16:26 GMT
Madness not to enter Mcgrath cup, a few semi competitive games surely are better preparation than no games.
Donegal could be flying next weekend.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 21, 2018 16:22:08 GMT
Madness not to enter Mcgrath cup, a few semi competitive games surely are better preparation than no games. Donegal could be flying next weekend. I believe Donegal even played Armagh recently in a challenge game and Sat night will have been far more beneficial if the hits were anything to go by. Ah I'd say our boys are being blooded too and I don't think we'll be off the pace.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 16:24:34 GMT
Donegal were flying early in the league last year too. Good luck to them. It is a long year.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 21, 2018 21:24:47 GMT
It's a long time since Kerry entered a campaign with so many unknowns - survival in D 1 and a semblance of a championship team by the conclusion of the league is out realistic objective this year. We will need to be patient I fear.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 22, 2018 10:08:01 GMT
It's a long time since Kerry entered a campaign with so many unknowns - survival in D 1 and a semblance of a championship team by the conclusion of the league is out realistic objective this year. We will need to be patient I fear. 'Unknown' to us is ok once Fitzy & co know, then there be known unknowns and unknown unknowns! With respect it's the same for every county and Kerry are fortunate in that we have so much going for us. Our pipeline is as exciting as one could possibly imagine - what better could you have that a 3 in a row minor pool to fish from? There are uncontrollables and controllables and the greatest uncontrollable is talent and that is sorted, all we need now is to control the controllables and for all our superficial/cosmetic imperfections we are pretty good at that so let's unleash the spirit of The Kerry Ingredient and take a short cut through anyone and everything that stands between us and climbing the Hogan stand in Sept to collect our little prize!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 22, 2018 11:55:50 GMT
It's a long time since Kerry entered a campaign with so many unknowns - survival in D 1 and a semblance of a championship team by the conclusion of the league is out realistic objective this year. We will need to be patient I fear. 'Unknown' to us is ok once Fitzy & co know, then there be known unknowns and unknown unknowns! With respect it's the same for every county and Kerry are fortunate in that we have so much going for us. Our pipeline is as exciting as one could possibly imagine - what better could you have that a 3 in a row minor pool to fish from?
There are uncontrollables and controllables and the greatest uncontrollable is talent and that is sorted, all we need now is to control the controllables and for all our superficial/cosmetic imperfections we are pretty good at that so let's unleash the spirit of The Kerry Ingredient and take a short cut through anyone and everything that stands between us and climbing the Hogan stand in Sept to collect our little prize! Kerry have won 4 minors on the bounce and this gives much needed hope to Kerry supporters, it needs to be tempered with realism. There are no guarantees here. Our under 21s’ were a huge let down last year given they were backboned by hugely successful Kerry minor teams. To add to this hurt, Dublin swooped and annexed their 4th under 21 title in 8 years, a sobering statistic for us all. I’ve always valued the under 21 grade higher, given one is likely to draw more seniors from it in the long run, naturally enough. Hopefully, Kerry give the under 20s' a real rattle this year and we see progression.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 22, 2018 12:00:35 GMT
Prior to the Mayo championship clash last year, an observation made by this poor Kerry football following ignoramus and some others was our fear that Mayo would simply repeat the same trick of their league game in Tralee against Kerry. Repeat they did, not once, but twice in both championship encounters as Mayo and Andy Moran in particular harvested richly. No one is telling this Kerry management what to do of course because they see and know it all. One wonder’s what Donegal will take from those performances of Mayo against Kerry? Paddy McBrearty is well capable of matching the efforts of Andy Moran, isolate him with the Kerry fullback line and hit the ball in quick? What has our wise Kerry management learned?
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Post by tpo on Jan 23, 2018 18:03:01 GMT
Jack Barry and Barry O Sullivan played midfield for UCD V Maynooth University today, both played well controlling the game right through
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 23, 2018 21:51:03 GMT
Lots of hostile response to Mikeys comments about the poor Kerry support. He's dead right. The truth hurts. Our support is poor. Yet come All Ireland final time all the genuine fans lose out or have to scrape beg borrow etc while those who watched on tv all year swan up for the final
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 22:40:34 GMT
You should get a season ticket then
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 23, 2018 23:38:59 GMT
Denise Exile you're spot on. However it was always like that and always will be.
Remember waiting for the train in Mallow years ago(one of the Dublin-games in the 80s) and this BIG mans wife was horrified when she discovered ''twas a football final she was going to and not a hurling final.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 24, 2018 0:11:06 GMT
Lots of hostile response to Mikeys comments about the poor Kerry support. He's dead right. The truth hurts. Our support is poor. Yet come All Ireland final time all the genuine fans lose out or have to scrape beg borrow etc while those who watched on tv all year swan up for the final Not being smart but there isn't a lot troubling Mikey if all he has to worry about is support from the stands. If the supporters were given something they felt they could get behind it might be different. Eamonn locked the gates at training and severed one of the main connections with the team. ( Not criticising locking the gates, it just a fact.) The Kerry support in the replay in 14 and the final that year was fantastic as the rescue act in the first mayo final captured the imaginations of the county. Instead of building on that we served up muck in the 15 final and got our tactics all wrong. Played well in patches against Dublin in 16 but lost. All at sea in both games against mayo last year. Throw in that we keep making the same mistakes over and over re our defence. People aren't fools and the day of blindly following Kerry are over. For the cost of a ticket, petrol and expenses to go to croke park, you could a flight to London and watch a premier league match and be home again the same day. Not saying the soccer is better or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 3:12:28 GMT
Of course there is an element of the team having to earn the fans support with performance but surely there is also some requirement for fans to be something other than fair weather supporters. This is not the theatre. The last 3 years have not been great but two semi finals and a final is hardly justification for not supporting the team.
Mikey should have kept his mouth shut on this as it sounds like he is deflecting and maybe he is but that does not mean that the support could not be better.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 24, 2018 8:01:04 GMT
Lots of hostile response to Mikeys comments about the poor Kerry support. He's dead right. The truth hurts. Our support is poor. Yet come All Ireland final time all the genuine fans lose out or have to scrape beg borrow etc while those who watched on tv all year swan up for the final Bollocks, Bollocks, Five-Star-Rated Bollocks Genuine fans purchase season tickets.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 24, 2018 8:17:43 GMT
Mayo's desperate attempt to end their famine and end their house of pain is the great Irish sports drama,and tragedy probably, of this decade. There is an evangelical feel to the journey and if do win it, the fans will be wondering what do we do now!
So leave Mayo aside. Leave Dublin aside as turning up for games at home is hardly an achievement.
So in my view, Kerrys fans compare well bar with Mayo.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 24, 2018 9:53:10 GMT
Personally I think the Kerry fans are exceptional for supporting the various teams. You'll find the same cohort up at Donegal for NFL, Ennis for u21 and Tralee for minor games.
Obviously some people are club tied volunteering and can't make the journeys around the country all the time.
I presume Mickey's comments about the supporters were random in amongst an interview. Well hopefully anyway.......................
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Post by glengael on Jan 24, 2018 10:56:32 GMT
Will the team be named in Friday ?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 24, 2018 12:21:35 GMT
Lots of hostile response to Mikeys comments about the poor Kerry support. He's dead right. The truth hurts. Our support is poor. Yet come All Ireland final time all the genuine fans lose out or have to scrape beg borrow etc while those who watched on tv all year swan up for the final Bollocks, Bollocks, Five-Star-Rated Bollocks Genuine fans purchase season tickets.And I say seven-star-rated bollocks to that. I've said it before. Whats the point in buying a season ticket if you play senior with your club, or are involved in managing or administration of your senior club team. Or you are a 'genuine' supporter of your club team? County League clashes with a round of the NFL and I'm sure lots of Divisional League games will clash with the earlier rounds. You might be very lucky to have nothing on the weekend of 3 league games. And this year is a big improvement on years gone by as the NFL is finishing so early. There is a county league game on the same weekend as the U20 Munster Quarter Final and Final. There is county league the same weekend of the first Super 8s game which is also the weekend of the U20 AI Semi Final. The U20 final is on the same weekend as the last Super 8's game. You say the genuine fan purchases a season ticket. Many of these genuine fans with season tickets might go to 10 or 12 games of football a year. There genuine football fans who will go to 10 or 12 games before the end of April that wont bother buying season tickets cos they wouldnt have the attendance requirements needed to get them a final ticket.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 24, 2018 12:24:27 GMT
Will the team be named in Friday ? The Kerryman today is suggesting this team Brian Kelly Jason Foley Shane Enright Ronan Shanahan Cormac Coffey Paul Murphy Mathew Flaherty Brendan Sullivan Jack Barry Seanie Shea James O Steven O Brien Jack Savage Paul Geaney David Clifford
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 24, 2018 12:41:13 GMT
Bollocks, Bollocks, Five-Star-Rated Bollocks Genuine fans purchase season tickets.And I say seven-star-rated bollocks to that. I've said it before. Whats the point in buying a season ticket if you play senior with your club, or are involved in managing or administration of your senior club team. Or you are a 'genuine' supporter of your club team? County League clashes with a round of the NFL and I'm sure lots of Divisional League games will clash with the earlier rounds. You might be very lucky to have nothing on the weekend of 3 league games. And this year is a big improvement on years gone by as the NFL is finishing so early. There is a county league game on the same weekend as the U20 Munster Quarter Final and Final. There is county league the same weekend of the first Super 8s game which is also the weekend of the U20 AI Semi Final. The U20 final is on the same weekend as the last Super 8's game. You say the genuine fan purchases a season ticket. Many of these genuine fans with season tickets might go to 10 or 12 games of football a year. There genuine football fans who will go to 10 or 12 games before the end of April that wont bother buying season tickets cos they wouldnt have the attendance requirements needed to get them a final ticket. There are probably two types of genuine fans in the county, those that attend/volunteer at more club games and those that attend most or all Kerry county games and some club games.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 24, 2018 17:44:14 GMT
When you consider the number of games played in Kerry between club championship, county champipnship, divisional championship, county league, u21, minor, under age and colleges, not forgetting all the training sessions, it points to a huge group of people tending to the game every week.
The hurling scene is tiny but is kept going by a very committed group too.
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