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Post by givehimaball on Jan 29, 2018 18:43:11 GMT
Derry4Sam, Regarding the respective pace of Jason and Cormac: In a sprint between the two I wouldn't put all my savings on Cormac. Jason is a flier too. As far as I can recall he was a champion athlete at secondary school level. Indeed there was a rumour in North Kerry at one stage that he was going to concentrate on athletics. Thankfully, that did not happen. In any case, both of these lads have pace to burn. Therefore management will have to come with anther reason for this selection nonsense. I heard somewhere he was offered an athletics scholarship to the States, but he turned it down.
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Post by homerj on Jan 29, 2018 19:03:16 GMT
just on the point above about pace, the fastest man in the squad is Jason Foley! Paul Geaney confirmed this in an interview a few months ago, that he wins all the sprints.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jan 29, 2018 19:45:29 GMT
More positives than negatives and the Kerry fans answered Mikey with a superb turnout for a league game in January. Murphy outstanding. Sean o se and Geaney too. Defensive strategy worrying
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 29, 2018 20:04:56 GMT
It was a very important win - those points could be vital in a couple of months time.
I think away too much is being made of the defensive tactics. I always knew that Jason Foley was very fast and has a habit of getting his hand in to prevent his man winning possession. This could render his man very ineffective out the field so following him out was a valid tactic depending on how the defence reacts. Listening to Radio Kerry, on at least 2 occasions in the first half Ambrose said that Cormac Coffey was playing very well and to me it sounded like a game that Kerry would go on to win with a few points to spare. With so many young players playing their first game at senior level, of course there were always going to be errors. The referee didn't help. They will learn.
Having watched the recording of the game I was very impressed by Sean O'Shea. I cannot remember a bebutant having such a commanding performance. He looked like a father figure. David Clifford played very well but has to learn that for some defenders in senior football the ball has nothing to do with it - Philly is coming down the tracks.
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Post by seaniebo on Jan 29, 2018 20:41:57 GMT
I had the match via Radio Kerry. I must say the overriding emotions by our commentary team, in particular that of Ambrose, was frustration as the second half developed. Ambrose was astounded with the amount of space at the back and how easily Donegal penetrated time after time. He stated that it simply wasn't good enough at Inter County level.
Another point of angst for Ambrose was the way we reverted to type during that second half with no good quick ball going in and lateral handpassing the order of the day. With 5 or 6 minutes of normal time remaining Ambrose simply couldn't say where the winning of this was going to come from Kerry. Needless to say this was depressing to be listening to but the way we dug deep was very heart warming.
So my question to the attendees... Was Ambrose spot on? These are 2 areas I am praying we will see the back of going forward. Too porous and too ponderous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:50:31 GMT
Too porous definitely, too ponderous is a bit harsh. Yes at times, they could have moved it quicker but 2-18 is great scoring. Also Donegal kept a lot of men back and the space was not there at times just to let the ball in quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:51:47 GMT
So other than the defending and the attacking ambrose seemed happy then.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 29, 2018 20:52:46 GMT
Hi all long time reader first time poster.The game on sunday for me was very encouraging given the bodies missing. Several players really stood out which others have highlighted, but i think Daithi Casey was immense when he came on really settled the younger guys down by clever footpasses a calming presence i for one would like to see him in midfield the next day.
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Post by seaniebo on Jan 29, 2018 21:05:41 GMT
So other than the defending and the attacking ambrose seemed happy then. Well I suppose the frustration was out of, according to Ambrose, the fact we were so porous given we had an extra man. It certainly seemed like Donegal had the extra man. We have been guilty of being very ponderous over the past couple of seasons. An area I'd love to see the back of. Great scoring at this time of the year it must be said from both Kerry and Donegal.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 29, 2018 21:09:47 GMT
Porous is being kind. Two of the goals at least were shocking give away goals. The big positive is the way the young players responded each time and dug out the win. 10 out of the 10 for that.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 29, 2018 21:11:59 GMT
I had the match via Radio Kerry. I must say the overriding emotions by our commentary team, in particular that of Ambrose, was frustration as the second half developed. Ambrose was astounded with the amount of space at the back and how easily Donegal penetrated time after time. He stated that it simply wasn't good enough at Inter County level. Another point of angst for Ambrose was the way we reverted to type during that second half with no good quick ball going in and lateral handpassing the order of the day. With 5 or 6 minutes of normal time remaining Ambrose simply couldn't say where the winning of this was going to come from Kerry. Needless to say this was depressing to be listening to but the way we dug deep was very heart warming. So my question to the attendees... Was Ambrose spot on? These are 2 areas I am praying we will see the back of going forward. Too porous and too ponderous. Ambrose was 50% correct; we were porous at the back, again hung our inside men out to dry - our match ups too were baffling - Jason Foley could have been tried on McBrearty as Enright was struggling. We were not ponderous up front - Donegal’s massed defence ensured we had to hold possession -kicking in aimless ball a la Brendan O’Sullivan would have resulted in only one outcome - possession for Donegal. Management need to have a look in the mirror.
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Post by augustafield on Jan 29, 2018 21:30:43 GMT
Well Mikey were you satisfied with the level of support from us Kerry fans yesterday ?
Were you satisfied with the effort and fight back of a young inexperienced untried team ?
And were you satisfied with the sideline shambles - yet again - ?
To concede 3 - 7 when playing against 14 men sounds like a bad Kerry joke . In spite of the Management inaction full marks to the team to hang in there to get a result .
And is it true Mikey that you and Maurice were sent to the back of the stand - and if so , why ?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 29, 2018 21:59:08 GMT
Well Mikey were you satisfied with the level of support from us Kerry fans yesterday ? Were you satisfied with the effort and fight back of a young inexperienced untried team ? And were you satisfied with the sideline shambles - yet again - ? To concede 3 - 7 when playing against 14 men sounds like a bad Kerry joke . In spite of the Management inaction full marks to the team to hang in there to get a result . And is it true Mikey that you and Maurice were sent to the back of the stand - and if so , why ? Cop onto yourself- you are either trolling or a complete walloper. We won for godsake, it was a young team, players will learn, management will learn, etc.
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Post by southward on Jan 29, 2018 22:12:11 GMT
I had the match via Radio Kerry. I must say the overriding emotions by our commentary team, in particular that of Ambrose, was frustration as the second half developed. Ambrose was astounded with the amount of space at the back and how easily Donegal penetrated time after time. He stated that it simply wasn't good enough at Inter County level. Another point of angst for Ambrose was the way we reverted to type during that second half with no good quick ball going in and lateral handpassing the order of the day. With 5 or 6 minutes of normal time remaining Ambrose simply couldn't say where the winning of this was going to come from Kerry. Needless to say this was depressing to be listening to but the way we dug deep was very heart warming. So my question to the attendees... Was Ambrose spot on? These are 2 areas I am praying we will see the back of going forward. Too porous and too ponderous. Yep, that was pretty much the sentiment on the terrace as well. What was most baffling to me in the second half was the way we withdrew our forwards to join the midfield scrum. At times we had possession around the middle but no-one inside to release it to; I couldn't understand this when we were playing with the wind. At the other end, the goals conceded were just dreadful, surreal almost. McCleneghan's reaction to the first seemed like he couldn't believe he'd been allowed to do that and was half-afraid to celebrate in case he had just imagined it. We were caught napping badly for the other two as well. Still, great heart to pull it out of the fire at the end. Losing the points yesterday would have been a huge setback.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 29, 2018 22:24:44 GMT
Anybody notice the Donegal back squirting the contents of his water bottle at Paul Geaney just before he took the penalty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 22:33:27 GMT
On a separate note, geaney was a bit cranky in general yesterday.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 29, 2018 22:33:59 GMT
Anybody notice the Donegal back squirting the contents of his water bottle at Paul Geaney just before he took the penalty. Yes, was very obvious from my view on the terrace. Deserved a black card.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 22:34:24 GMT
Well Mikey were you satisfied with the level of support from us Kerry fans yesterday ? Were you satisfied with the effort and fight back of a young inexperienced untried team ? And were you satisfied with the sideline shambles - yet again - ? To concede 3 - 7 when playing against 14 men sounds like a bad Kerry joke . In spite of the Management inaction full marks to the team to hang in there to get a result . And is it true Mikey that you and Maurice were sent to the back of the stand - and if so , why ? Cop onto yourself- you are either trolling or a complete walloper. We won for godsake, it was a young team, players will learn, management will learn, etc. I would go for the latter
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Post by homerj on Jan 29, 2018 23:00:04 GMT
I had the match via Radio Kerry. I must say the overriding emotions by our commentary team, in particular that of Ambrose, was frustration as the second half developed. Ambrose was astounded with the amount of space at the back and how easily Donegal penetrated time after time. He stated that it simply wasn't good enough at Inter County level. Another point of angst for Ambrose was the way we reverted to type during that second half with no good quick ball going in and lateral handpassing the order of the day. With 5 or 6 minutes of normal time remaining Ambrose simply couldn't say where the winning of this was going to come from Kerry. Needless to say this was depressing to be listening to but the way we dug deep was very heart warming. So my question to the attendees... Was Ambrose spot on? These are 2 areas I am praying we will see the back of going forward. Too porous and too ponderous. Ambrose was 50% correct; we were porous at the back, again hung our inside men out to dry - our match ups too were baffling - Jason Foley could have been tried on McBrearty as Enright was struggling. We were not ponderous up front - Donegal’s massed defence ensured we had to hold possession -kicking in aimless ball a la Brendan O’Sullivan would have resulted in only one outcome - possession for Donegal. Management need to have a look in the mirror. the problem isnt the people (you singled out shane enright)....its the set up. give a man like Mcbrearty 50 yards of space and he will wreck havoc....as did mayo last year. im astounded Fitzmaurice isnt addressing this.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jan 29, 2018 23:12:29 GMT
I couldn't agree more homerj. What hope did Enright or Coffey have with no cover and acres of space for their men to run into. Even the last goal, Shanahan did misjudge it. But was there anyone else inside the 65? Completely open when we're trying to close out the game. Madness. I don't care how good people think Foley is, with that sort of room for the forwards nearly every defender in Ireland would find it tough.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 30, 2018 1:20:01 GMT
Jack Savage will have to get a bit cuter. He was fouled at the end yesterday and his man tried to provoke a reaction to force the ref to cancel the free and give a hop ball. Jack obliged his man with the reaction he was looking for but the refs back was turned. The free stood. The free led directly to the equalizer from Sean O Se. This is not the first time Jack has fallen for this ploy...Mayo did the same last year in Croker if i recall correctly. Time for him to wise up to this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 2:51:00 GMT
Overall a good performance when you consider all the new players and the first game of the year. Sean O'Se was excellent. David Clifford is a class act and that game will help him big time.
You just take it one game at a time. Fitzmaurice has plenty young fellas in the County ready to get a game so he might as well look at them now.
When you consider all the players missing it will hard to make the panel for the Championship.
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Post by augustafield on Jan 30, 2018 2:54:24 GMT
Kerrybhoy06. Before you criticise contradict what I posted . You know my feelings about the Management - which incidentally appears to be shared by many Posters here - why not let us have your views on them ? Rational reasoned civil debate is what this Forum is all about and opinions engender interesting and informed chat .
Your name calling does you little service - which ill becomes you - as your Posts are generally informative topical and honest .
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Post by wayupnorth on Jan 30, 2018 7:05:04 GMT
I’m still annoyed at the management for the way they handled the replay last year and the final Championship matches the previous two years. Although I didn’t post about it I was deeply hurt by Mikey’s comments on support as someone who was there and who only missed one Kerry match last year despite being almost as far away as physically possible from Kerry on this island. Yet we have got to get behind them now that battle has commenced. Sunday for all the slips of relatively inexperienced players showed a grim determination to win that (save for the League Final) hasn’t been seen since the last two matches of 2014. Yes we conceded a lot but we did score more than Donegal. Would it have been better to play brilliant defensive football, concede say 9 points and lose by a point? I think not. It was the team rather than the sideline that won this match but maybe that is the way it should always be.
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Post by glengael on Jan 30, 2018 9:26:01 GMT
Anybody notice the Donegal back squirting the contents of his water bottle at Paul Geaney just before he took the penalty. Yes. Very blatant and deliberate and with at least 3 officials in the vicinty, I thought one of them might have seen it. At least 1 Donegal goal came from a turnover, when Kerry adopted what I now term their sleepwalking tactic. They have possession and don't seem to know what they are going to do with it. They dawdle around with the ball, there's a turnover and then the other side move down the field at speed and get a goal almost unchallenged. Not the first time it happened and possibly not the last.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 9:26:15 GMT
Deeply hurt? You are very sensitive especially if you are then happy to criticise mgt who I am sure also give up a lot of their time
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Post by buck02 on Jan 30, 2018 10:01:12 GMT
Jack Savage will have to get a bit cuter. He was fouled at the end yesterday and his man tried to provoke a reaction to force the ref to cancel the free and give a hop ball. Jack obliged his man with the reaction he was looking for but the refs back was turned. The free stood. The free led directly to the equalizer from Sean O Se. This is not the first time Jack has fallen for this ploy...Mayo did the same last year in Croker if i recall correctly. Time for him to wise up to this. A minute or so after that Jack was following a Donegal man down the pitch when he tried to trip/kick the player. Given the red card given in the first half to Mullins it was an act of sheer stupidity. I noticed he did something similar a couple of times in the county semi final last year. He needs to wise-up and he needs to be told to wise-up. If Mickmack noticed it, you can be sure other managers around the country have picked up on it and marked it down under Jack's "Weaknesses" column.
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Post by mandad on Jan 30, 2018 10:50:14 GMT
To suggest that the selectors singled out “were sent to the back of the stand” is a bit disingenuous. In the 2013 regulations the only people permitted on the sideline are: the team manager, maor foirne, a medic and two water/hurley carriers – a max of five. In Kerry’s case, that would seem to be:- Manager: Eamon Fitzmaurice. Maor Foirne: Liam Hassett – who is also a selector. A Medic: Team Doctor? Two Water/Hurley carriers. Nial O’Callaghan and Kevin Beasley.
While this regulation is regularly flouted, Kerry always consigns the selectors to the stand. No big deal really and not a stick to beat-up anyone.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 30, 2018 11:38:47 GMT
Jack Savage will have to get a bit cuter. He was fouled at the end yesterday and his man tried to provoke a reaction to force the ref to cancel the free and give a hop ball. Jack obliged his man with the reaction he was looking for but the refs back was turned. The free stood. The free led directly to the equalizer from Sean O Se. This is not the first time Jack has fallen for this ploy...Mayo did the same last year in Croker if i recall correctly. Time for him to wise up to this. A minute or so after that Jack was following a Donegal man down the pitch when he tried to trip/kick the player. Given the red card given in the first half to Mullins it was an act of sheer stupidity. I noticed he did something similar a couple of times in the county semi final last year. He needs to wise-up and he needs to be told to wise-up. If Mickmack noticed it, you can be sure other managers around the country have picked up on it and marked it down under Jack's "Weaknesses" column. There is a possibility that this will take care of itself. I think Jack's lack of urgency and delaying on the ball, soloing at half pace, never able to decide which pass is the best option will mean that he won't be starting. An attack that will likely include P Geaney, O'Brien, O'Shea, O'Donoghue and possibly Darran or Clifford will be completely disadvantaged if the ball isn't moved decisively and fast.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 30, 2018 18:05:55 GMT
just on the point above about pace, the fastest man in the squad is Jason Foley! Paul Geaney confirmed this in an interview a few months ago, that he wins all the sprints. So it was a trap that Dgal fell for? Or was giving Paddy McBrearty 50% of the FF space a more obvious threat? Great to hear that Jason is quickest off the mark and while it adds to his FB claims - a rare enough if invaluable FB trait. He will need all he has if he is to withstand what will be thrown at him, and his first few year will be the hardest. Anyway a roving FB - no such thing, 2nd last man standing and there is a rumour that Dubs will be good this year, if we get that far! I suppose there is a lot of criticism on here but sure we had nil to moan about since last Autumn with no games, still a lot of valid points and good that those involved know that we have their best interests at heart. All in all I'd say this team has the highest satisfaction rating of any debutant team - ah therein lies the catch, expectation. I don't think they will let is down and in fairness the wider team have my heartiest congratulations for getting to where they are in Jan '18. The future is bright and we are beginning to look like a team that will topple the blues.
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