bannerman
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Post by bannerman on Jan 28, 2018 21:31:48 GMT
With the exception of our midfielders the rest of the players all had some very positive moments at various stages of game. Stand out players were Shanahan, murphy, o brien and Sean Shea Shanahan was excellent last year and today's performance shows what a loss he was for championship last year. If he was fit he should have got game time. He has to start come championship. Sean Shea is real deal and vital to kerry fortunes over next few years. Jack Barry big loss today I felt
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2018 21:41:33 GMT
Nobody really. Officially Foley but he was following his man into midfield a lot. A brilliant Donegal tactic in fairness that led to three goals. Not really Foley's fault. Most of the time Enright and Coffey were alone in front of goal with MCBrearty and MacNiallais and those two were always going to win that battle. Can't believe that Eamon and Liam didn't see that happening. Mikey and Maurice were sitting in the stand and must have seen what was happening, but I'm increasingly convinced Eamon doesn't listen to them,. Are we saying we fell for the tactic that we beat Dgal with in '14 with JO'D taking their best (and one of the game's best) corner backs that was Neil McGee for a sight seeing tour around the park? For Dgal to think that much of our Jason they must have bad memories of the '14 minor AI final when Bonnor managed, though how could you think Jason was already an icon? But it worked but Jason did play well if out of position and reducing the number in the FF line was mana from Heaven for Paddy McBrearty and who is probably the top CF so far this year. To be honest I couldn't see us containing him and that we did is testament to the players as opposed to the sideline. I also saw Mullins as a threat and though he wouldn't nail a place with the Dubs I was delighted that our virgins frustrated him into a forced err of judgement. Both sides will have learned a lot today and the entire 76 mins it was entertaining and exciting, with both teams having it in the bag a few times each. I'm saying that Bonner recognised the weakness in our fullback line and decided to have just two lads in our half all the time, Mac Niallais and McBrearty. I think it's unfair to see, as some have, that our midfield did not play well. They were up against 8 man mountains in the Donegal midfield, half forwards and half backs. I do think that Bonner had the better tactical insight and won the battle of the managers. Foley is a very good player and not an established name yet. He was constantly working hard and went forward constantly. If he would have stayed in position we wouldn't have that. We would not have conceded three goals though in my opinion.
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trevor73
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Post by trevor73 on Jan 28, 2018 21:58:41 GMT
Pleasing win with such a young side. Teams running at us still cause us nightmares. It’s like the Red Sea parts anytime they attack us down the middle. Paul Murphy is Galvinesque in his play. Grit and determination in abundance. Sean O Shea a revelation. Clifford looked nervous but still made some good assists. Was nice to pinch a win at the death. Mayo will be a lot tougher next Saturday
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Post by homerj on Jan 28, 2018 22:02:56 GMT
what happened to JOD?
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 28, 2018 22:08:39 GMT
Barry O'SUllivans footpassing was a delight for me in the first half. Reminded me of Darragh in that regard.
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Post by homerj on Jan 28, 2018 22:22:33 GMT
the new jersey is lovely. nicest we have had in years.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jan 28, 2018 22:28:45 GMT
Calf injury. The man has no luck whatsoever. I can't believe how exposed our full back line of Coffey and Enright were today. They were given no chance, I thought we might learn after the Mayo games last year but it didnt look like it.
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Post by backothehill on Jan 28, 2018 22:38:55 GMT
There was a reason Enright wasn’t moved off McBrearty today and that’s there was no one else capable of trying to mark one of the great forwards, Paul Murphy included. Murphy had a fine game out the field but it’s a lonely job Enright has isolated inside with a player of McBrearty’s ability.
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Post by homerj on Jan 28, 2018 22:39:52 GMT
Calf injury. The man has no luck whatsoever. I can't believe how exposed our full back line of Coffey and Enright were today. They were given no chance, I thought we might learn after the Mayo games last year but it didnt look like it. why not believe it? its been happening for years and the Mayo game was the end result. its very worrying that it appears, we have learned nothing. shore up the center and go as a unit, not 6 individuals. fitzmaurice is learning fu*k all it appears from last year. lets not forget all the goal chances we gave up against Galway, Cork etc also.
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Post by homerj on Jan 28, 2018 22:43:58 GMT
There was a reason Enright wasn’t moved off McBrearty today and that’s there was no one else capable of trying to mark one of the great forwards, Paul Murphy included. Murphy had a fine game out the field but it’s a lonely job Enright has isolated inside with a player of McBrearty’s ability. so drop a player in front of him, especially when we had an extra man. lunatic tactics.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 28, 2018 22:58:11 GMT
There was a reason Enright wasn’t moved off McBrearty today and that’s there was no one else capable of trying to mark one of the great forwards, Paul Murphy included. Murphy had a fine game out the field but it’s a lonely job Enright has isolated inside with a player of McBrearty’s ability. so drop a player in front of him, especially when we had an extra man. lunatic tactics. In my opinion we should have had Foley back as a sweeper, full back, when we had the extra man as it was when we had the extra man that we conceded 3 goals and 7 points. 3-07 could have been prevented by keeping the fullback in the full back position and releasing the pressure on Coffey and Enright.
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Post by homerj on Jan 28, 2018 23:14:12 GMT
so drop a player in front of him, especially when we had an extra man. lunatic tactics. In my opinion we should have had Foley back as a sweeper, full back, when we had the extra man as it was when we had the extra man that we conceded 3 goals and 7 points. 3-07 could have been prevented by keeping the fullback in the full back position and releasing the pressure on Coffey and Enright. exactly. but even something so simple appears to be lost on our sideline. worrying.
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Post by A.N. Other on Jan 28, 2018 23:24:32 GMT
Calf injury. The man has no luck whatsoever. I can't believe how exposed our full back line of Coffey and Enright were today. They were given no chance, I thought we might learn after the Mayo games last year but it didnt look like it. why not believe it? its been happening for years and the Mayo game was the end result. its very worrying that it appears, we have learned nothing. shore up the center and go as a unit, not 6 individuals. fitzmaurice is learning fu*k all it appears from last year. lets not forget all the goal chances we gave up against Galway, Cork etc also. Probably naivety and too much optimism on my own part. I agree with everything you're saying. We will be under pressure against Mayo, alot of lads playing Sigerson and Trench cup this week.
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Post by backothehill on Jan 28, 2018 23:40:27 GMT
Agreed, Jason Foley would have been the ideal man providing cover.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 29, 2018 9:19:15 GMT
Kerry more or less followed last year's defensive strategy of bottling up the area between the 65 yard lines. The second Donegal goal caught this out badly. I can't believe they haven't come up with anything else since last August.
Yesterday's win was important in terms of the other results. Kerry can afford to throw caution to the wind v Mayo and Monaghan now which is ideal.
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Post by pony on Jan 29, 2018 10:46:13 GMT
Kerry more or less followed last year's defensive strategy of bottling up the area between the 65 yard lines. The second Donegal goal caught this out badly. I can't believe they haven't come up with anything else since last August.Yesterday's win was important in terms of the other results. Kerry can afford to throw caution to the wind v Mayo and Monaghan now which is ideal. Could someone with a more tactical brain than myself please explain the advantage of having this type of defensive setup? To stop runners? (which is doesn't seem to do) to win midfield? (which it doesn't seem to do) to win breaks? (again, doesn't seem to do that either), it's a setup that is very easily beaten by long ball in to the space that the half backs should be filling.....I can't see any advantage to it for a whole game.....it's an all or nothing tactic When Eamon guided us to the AI in 2014 we played our half backs in their positions and holding their position by and large, why has that been completely abandoned?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 29, 2018 11:31:25 GMT
Donegal should have scored a goal from their own kickout in the first half (the one where a single flick-on from a kickout left it 3v2 for Donegal!). McBrierty caught another Donegal kick-out took on his man and kicked a point. The late goal came directly from Donegal kickout. This was because Donegal knew Kerry players would follow their men into the area between the two 65's.
Paul Murphy was spare man after the sending off and he did sweep in front of the back 2 for the first half. This plan was abandoned in the 2nd half and Murphy played out around the middle.
I think Kerry just werent equipped to stop Donegal's running game at the start of the 2nd half. Some players looked too weak for this level and a few others showed very poor attempts at tackling. All this can be worked on as most players on show yesterday are young and inexperienced.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 29, 2018 11:42:52 GMT
Kerry more or less followed last year's defensive strategy of bottling up the area between the 65 yard lines. The second Donegal goal caught this out badly. I can't believe they haven't come up with anything else since last August.Yesterday's win was important in terms of the other results. Kerry can afford to throw caution to the wind v Mayo and Monaghan now which is ideal. Could someone with a more tactical brain than myself please explain the advantage of having this type of defensive setup? To stop runners? (which is doesn't seem to do) to win midfield? (which it doesn't seem to do) to win breaks? (again, doesn't seem to do that either), it's a setup that is very easily beaten by long ball in to the space that the half backs should be filling.....I can't see any advantage to it for a whole game.....it's an all or nothing tactic When Eamon guided us to the AI in 2014 we played our half backs in their positions and holding their position by and large, why has that been completely abandoned? The idea is to try turn the ball over in the middle third as much as possible and is similar to what a lot of soccer/basketball teams do in terms of defending is a tight a space as possible. Its what Dublin do and to make it work- you need a sweeper who will drop back in front of your full back line so that they can just break the ball all day long
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Post by veteran on Jan 29, 2018 11:43:17 GMT
Yesterday's match had as many twists and turns as an episode from that old TV series, Tales From The Darkside and it looked as time petered away that the trip home for Kerry supporters would be very much on the darkside. We won it and lost it and won it and lost again until along comes Daithi to win it just before the bell tolled. Give it another minute or so who knows what would have transpired. It wasn't good for an aged heart.
Apart from a significant wind , the day could not have been better . The pitch as always was immaculate and , as befitting the start of another year of hope , Kerry emerged garlanded in a sharp, beautifully designed jersey which was true to those adored colours. To cap it all, the back of the jersey sported large numbers which were positioned judiciously to enable old moaning Minnies like myself to decipher them without too much difficulty. As somebody who has been constantly complaining about the jersey numbers it is appropriate that I now sincerely thank the Kerry Executive for this innovation. Of course, thanks to Paul Galvin also whose creative mind brought this enterprise to fruition.
Playing with the wind, Donegal started well and got the first score but very shortly it became clear that the young bucks were going to take the game to the visitors with our half backs very strong and all our forwards, oddly with the exception of Paul Geaney,looking very sharp and smart. In spite of that there was one feature of the game which began to give me palpitations. Our full back line was made up of Cormac Coffey and Shane Enright and worse than that more of often than not it was a case of one on one inside with Shane on Paddy McBrearty. Now, one on one , even when the forward is just of average ability, is looking for trouble but when that forward is the majestic Paddy McBrearty wlll then it is time to call the men in white coats to deal with management. Even when Paddy was moved out that problem of one on one continued to manifest itself culminating in Donegal's third goal which could have been the electric chair for this largely young team. Going back to the Cormac Coffey/Shane Enright duo which seemed to the designated full back line when Donegal played more than one inside, could somebody explain to me the logic of playing Cormac inside and Jason outside . Sweet God , we wait for years for a natural born footballer for the full back line. Ballydonoghue give us this gilt edged present but management says, ah no, out the field is the place for Jason and we will slot wee Cormac into the corner for the high ball! Isn't it clear that this speedy, gutsy Kerins O'Rahilly's man is not a corner back but a natural half back. There are times when I despair trying to rationalise the thinking of this management.
In any case , back to the action. Kerry were sparkling and when Nathan Mullins got his red card it looked ominous for Donegal. It looked more ominous when David Clifford created a goal chance for Stephen O'Brien which Stephen buried. During that half our midfield, where Barry O'Sullivan played instead of Jack Barry, were reasonable but Hugh McFadden was the dominant figure all through. Still, with a three point lead and a man advantage it was looking comfortable at the break.
We were jolted out of cur comfort zone not too long after the start of the second half when Tony McCleneghan bulldozed his way past the gallant Cormac in the corner to crack home a fine goal. We had to wait for the final whistle before we were to experience any more comfort! At times, we were nothing but a patchwork as the rangy, athletic Donegal men powered their way forward. Our midfielders fell by the wayside. In that area, we were either outfielded or brushed outside when it came to picking up the breaks. Neither were we awake when Donegal adopted the tactic of a midfielder flicking the ball on an onrushing runner.It was inevitable that Donegal would translate their superiority on the scoreboard and this they did when Odhran MacNiallais, I never realised this man was so good, scored a goal to make it 2-13 to 1-13 in their favour. To compound our misery, Paul Geaney had earlier blazed a penalty over the bar. The penalty was created by our top man, Paul Murphy. However, Paul redeemed himself shortly afterwards when he got a crucial goal. It resulted from a blocked down effort from Stephen O'Brien. He collected the rebound in a space no bigger than a telephone box and squeezed it home. Paul is a wizard at that. In the past couple of lines I have mentioned the two Pauls and Stephen O'Brien. It must be recorded that they were immense when we desperately men in the closing stages to prevent us being washed away by the Donegal tide. By hook or by crook we managed to go two clear as the watches were being scrutinised all over the stadium. Blow it up ref!
Too soon to blow it up. Another twist was about to unfold. A ball was flicked on from midfield to a wide open prairie uninhabited buy Kerry men. There were a few Donegal settlers in the area however and one of those boys flicked it home to put Donegal one up. Put that whistle away ref, plenty of time left! Fair play to the lads they picked themselves off the canvas , punch drunk at this stage. They essayed a free. Young Sean O'Shea kicked a monster to level affairs. At this stage I was uncertain as to whether the referee should blow it up or not! He didn't. Daithi got his chance and took the responsibility himself. He burst forward a few yards to create his space and slotted over a priceless winner. A lesser man would have looked to lay it off. Not Daithi. Sure, he has being it for years for Dr. Crokes. The referee blew it up shortly afterwards. You were right ref!
It is not hard not to feel sorry for Donegal. In all the circumstances, they at least deserved a draw. Possibly more. They have the consolation that they a have a plethora of fine, new players. Tall strong guys with loads of football. I will be surprised if they do not make a big impact this year. And of course they have Michael Murphy to come back. In the meantime they have Paddy McBrearty. If there is a better forward playing today tell us about him. In that first half he came out to midfield , grabbed a kickout, made a few yards and kicked it true. However painful it is for the opposition, it is always special to witness the exploits of a master craftsman.
Shane Murphy could not be faulted for the three goals. He made one terrific save in the first half. What I liked most about him was that he was always eager to take the fast kickout, keeping the head up all the time.
The arch pilferer, Paul Murphy, was our man of the match. Surely, this will put an end to the absolute nonsense of playing him in the half forward line. One would think that we had an abundance of backs. Gavin Crowley was very solid at CHB and is a stong boy too. There is something very reassuring about Ronan Shanshan. He has an unfussy attitude, is tenacious with a good defensive head. Am I right in saying he was our only player who caught a high ball at midfield. As already stated, Jason was played out of position but still played with assurance. His cause was not helped when he took a ferocious blow to the face in the first half from Leo McLoone which was a clear cut red but got off with a yellow.
Our midfield faded badly and this caused big problems for our defence. I cannot recall either of them catching a high ball and in that second half they were also wiped out in terms of breaks. Both of these lads will need to step it up considerably.
All our half forwards can be happy with their contribution. Michael Burns was very willing and is a good man to give a foot pass. With more experience , he will be more inclined to take on defenders because he has demonstrated with Crokes that he is well able to do that. Sean O'Shea was wonderful in the first half, faded a little in the second half. Apart from his obvious ability , he is a big , strong boy and if he can avoid injuries he could crucial for us in the years ahead.
I was delighted with young David. For all his scoring exploits, he showed, as he always did as a minor, that he is essentially a team player. He set up a lot of scores yesterday, while receiving a lot of attention from the Donegal defence with little sympathy from the referee. Talking about that referee, he is a strange official, little or no consistency. What is new says you.
Grateful for the two points but a curate's egg display overall. Dare I say that management need to improve as much as the team, in particular players should be selected in the positions to which they are best suited and above all do not leave a treacherous inside forward operate without sufficient cover. Cillian O'Connor and Conor McManus are lurking.
P.S. Any news on what happened JO'D. That poor man is cursed for the past couple of years.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 29, 2018 12:03:27 GMT
Plenty of positives when a young team with 8 new players playing their first NFL game go out and win it. A bit of the Kevin Keegan school from the line, out score the opposition. That's grand until we meet the Dubs in Croker. You would have to be very happy with the way the young players went about playing football yesterday, tactics and set up aside.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 29, 2018 12:05:51 GMT
Yesterday's match had as many twists and turns as an episode from that old TV series, Tales From The Darkside and it looked as time petered away that the trip home for Kerry supporters would be very much on the darkside. We won it and lost it and won it and lost again until along comes Daithi to win it just before the bell tolled. Give it another minute or so who knows what would have transpired. It wasn't good for an aged heart. Apart from a significant wind , the day could not have been better . The pitch as always was immaculate and , as befitting the start of another year of hope , Kerry emerged garlanded in a sharp, beautifully designed jersey which was true to those adored colours. To cap it all, the back of the jersey sported large numbers which were positioned judiciously to enable old moaning Minnies like myself to decipher them without too much difficulty. As somebody who has been constantly complaining about the jersey numbers it is appropriate that I now sincerely thank the Kerry Executive for this innovation. Of course, thanks to Paul Galvin also whose creative mind brought this enterprise to fruition. Playing with the wind, Donegal started well and got the first score but very shortly it became clear that the young bucks were going to take the game to the visitors with our half backs very strong and all our forwards, oddly with the exception of Paul Geaney,looking very sharp and smart. In spite of that there was one feature of the game which began to give me palpitations. Our full back line was made up of Cormac Coffey and Shane Enright and worse than that more of often than not it was a case of one on one inside with Shane on Paddy McBrearty. Now, one on one , even when the forward is just of average ability, is looking for trouble but when that forward is the majestic Paddy McBrearty wlll then it is time to call the men in white coats to deal with management. Even when Paddy was moved out that problem of one on one continued to manifest itself culminating in Donegal's third goal which could have been the electric chair for this largely young team. Going back to the Cormac Coffey/Shane Enright duo which seemed to the designated full back line when Donegal played more than one inside, could somebody explain to me the logic of playing Cormac inside and Jason outside . Sweet God , we wait for years for a natural born footballer for the full back line. Ballydonoghue give us this gilt edged present but management says, ah no, out the field is the place for Jason and we will slot wee Cormac into the corner for the high ball! Isn't it clear that this speedy, gutsy Kerins O'Rahilly's man is not a corner back but a natural half back. There are times when I despair trying to rationalise the thinking of this management. In any case , back to the action. Kerry were sparkling and when Nathan Mullins got his red card it looked ominous for Donegal. It looked more ominous when David Clifford created a goal chance for Stephen O'Brien which Stephen buried. During that half our midfield, where Barry O'Sullivan played instead of Jack Barry, were reasonable but Hugh McFadden was the dominant figure all through. Still, with a three point lead and a man advantage it was looking comfortable at the break. We were jolted out of cur comfort zone not too long after the start of the second half when Tony McCleneghan bulldozed his way past the gallant Cormac in the corner to crack home a fine goal. We had to wait for the final whistle before we were to experience any more comfort! At times, we were nothing but a patchwork as the rangy, athletic Donegal men powered their way forward. Our midfielders fell by the wayside. In that area, we were either outfielded or brushed outside when it came to picking up the breaks. Neither were we awake when Donegal adopted the tactic of a midfielder flicking the ball on an onrushing runner.It was inevitable that Donegal would translate their superiority on the scoreboard and this they did when Odhran MacNiallais, I never realised this man was so good, scored a goal to make it 2-13 to 1-13 in their favour. To compound our misery, Paul Geaney had earlier blazed a penalty over the bar. The penalty was created by our top man, Paul Murphy. However, Paul redeemed himself shortly afterwards when he got a crucial goal. It resulted from a blocked down effort from Stephen O'Brien. He collected the rebound in a space no bigger than a telephone box and squeezed it home. Paul is a wizard at that. In the past couple of lines I have mentioned the two Pauls and Stephen O'Brien. It must be recorded that they were immense when we desperately men in the closing stages to prevent us being washed away by the Donegal tide. By hook or by crook we managed to go two clear as the watches were being scrutinised all over the stadium. Blow it up ref! Too soon to blow it up. Another twist was about to unfold. A ball was flicked on from midfield to a wide open prairie uninhabited buy Kerry men. There were a few Donegal settlers in the area however and one of those boys flicked it home to put Donegal one up. Put that whistle away ref, plenty of time left! Fair play to the lads they picked themselves off the canvas , punch drunk at this stage. They essayed a free. Young Sean O'Shea kicked a monster to level affairs. At this stage I was uncertain as to whether the referee should blow it up or not! He didn't. Daithi got his chance and took the responsibility himself. He burst forward a few yards to create his space and slotted over a priceless winner. A lesser man would have looked to lay it off. Not Daithi. Sure, he has being it for years for Dr. Crokes. The referee blew it up shortly afterwards. You were right ref! It is not hard not to feel sorry for Donegal. In all the circumstances, they at least deserved a draw. Possibly more. They have the consolation that they a have a plethora of fine, new players. Tall strong guys with loads of football. I will be surprised if they do not make a big impact this year. And of course they have Michael Murphy to come back. In the meantime they have Paddy McBrearty. If there is a better forward playing today tell us about him. In that first half he came out to midfield , grabbed a kickout, made a few yards and kicked it true. However painful it is for the opposition, it is always special to witness the exploits of a master craftsman. Shane Murphy could not be faulted for the three goals. He made one terrific save in the first half. What I liked most about him was that he was always eager to take the fast kickout, keeping the head up all the time. The arch pilferer, Paul Murphy, was our man of the match. Surely, this will put an end to the absolute nonsense of playing him in the half forward line. One would think that we had an abundance of backs. Gavin Crowley was very solid at CHB and is a stong boy too. There is something very reassuring about Ronan Shanshan. He has an unfussy attitude, is tenacious with a good defensive head. Am I right in saying he was our only player who caught a high ball at midfield. As already stated, Jason was played out of position but still played with assurance. His cause was not helped when he took a ferocious blow to the face in the first half from Leo McLoone which was a clear cut red but got off with a yellow. Our midfield faded badly and this caused big problems for our defence. I cannot recall either of them catching a high ball and in that second half they were also wiped out in terms of breaks. Both of these lads will need to step it up considerably. All our half forwards can be happy with their contribution. Michael Burns was very willing and is a good man to give a foot pass. With more experience , he will be more inclined to take on defenders because he has demonstrated with Crokes that he is well able to do that. Sean O'Shea was wonderful in the first half, faded a little in the second half. Apart from his obvious ability , he is a big , strong boy and if he can avoid injuries he could crucial for us in the years ahead. I was delighted with young David. For all his scoring exploits, he showed, as he always did as a minor, that he is essentially a team player. He set up a lot of scores yesterday, while receiving a lot of attention from the Donegal defence with little sympathy from the referee. Talking about that referee, he is a strange official, little or no consistency. What is new says you. Grateful for the two points but a curate's egg display overall. Dare I say that management need to improve as much as the team, in particular players should be selected in the positions to which they are best suited and above all do not leave a treacherous inside forward operate without sufficient cover. Cillian O'Connor and Conor McManus are lurking. P.S. Any news on what happened JO'D. That poor man is cursed for the past couple of years. Thanks Veteran, as always on the ball. Cormac has played all his football in Strand Road @ 5/7 - thought when I saw the team that he would switch positions with Ronan Shanahan as both would be more at home swopped around - in relation to JO'D he had a problem with his calf muscle and was withdrawn.
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Post by derry4sam on Jan 29, 2018 12:20:43 GMT
Could someone with a more tactical brain than myself please explain the advantage of having this type of defensive setup? To stop runners? (which is doesn't seem to do) to win midfield? (which it doesn't seem to do) to win breaks? (again, doesn't seem to do that either), it's a setup that is very easily beaten by long ball in to the space that the half backs should be filling.....I can't see any advantage to it for a whole game.....it's an all or nothing tactic When Eamon guided us to the AI in 2014 we played our half backs in their positions and holding their position by and large, why has that been completely abandoned? The idea is to try turn the ball over in the middle third as much as possible and is similar to what a lot of soccer/basketball teams do in terms of defending is a tight a space as possible. Its what Dublin do and to make it work- you need a sweeper who will drop back in front of your full back line so that they can just break the ball all day long Yes the idea is to to turn the ball over but Kerry just usually end up fouling out there. Kerry are too lazy in the tackle to employ such tactics. Or is the intention to foul? The whole thing is futile if you can't turn the ball over or if you don't have a man to cover the space in front of the full back line anyway. Was it the 2015 Tyrone game where we first saw this plan from Fitzmaurice and it hasn't really changed since?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 29, 2018 12:31:59 GMT
The idea is to try turn the ball over in the middle third as much as possible and is similar to what a lot of soccer/basketball teams do in terms of defending is a tight a space as possible. Its what Dublin do and to make it work- you need a sweeper who will drop back in front of your full back line so that they can just break the ball all day long Yes the idea is to to turn the ball over but Kerry just usually end up fouling out there. Kerry are too lazy in the tackle to employ such tactics. Or is the intention to foul? The whole thing is futile if you can't turn the ball over or if you don't have a man to cover the space in front of the full back line anyway. Was it the 2015 Tyrone game where we first saw this plan from Fitzmaurice and it hasn't really changed since? Yeah I agree completely- no point in doping it without a sweeper and proper tackling
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Post by derry4sam on Jan 29, 2018 12:40:46 GMT
Yesterday's match had as many twists and turns as an episode from that old TV series, Tales From The Darkside and it looked as time petered away that the trip home for Kerry supporters would be very much on the darkside. We won it and lost it and won it and lost again until along comes Daithi to win it just before the bell tolled. Give it another minute or so who knows what would have transpired. It wasn't good for an aged heart. Apart from a significant wind , the day could not have been better . The pitch as always was immaculate and , as befitting the start of another year of hope , Kerry emerged garlanded in a sharp, beautifully designed jersey which was true to those adored colours. To cap it all, the back of the jersey sported large numbers which were positioned judiciously to enable old moaning Minnies like myself to decipher them without too much difficulty. As somebody who has been constantly complaining about the jersey numbers it is appropriate that I now sincerely thank the Kerry Executive for this innovation. Of course, thanks to Paul Galvin also whose creative mind brought this enterprise to fruition. Playing with the wind, Donegal started well and got the first score but very shortly it became clear that the young bucks were going to take the game to the visitors with our half backs very strong and all our forwards, oddly with the exception of Paul Geaney,looking very sharp and smart. In spite of that there was one feature of the game which began to give me palpitations. Our full back line was made up of Cormac Coffey and Shane Enright and worse than that more of often than not it was a case of one on one inside with Shane on Paddy McBrearty. Now, one on one , even when the forward is just of average ability, is looking for trouble but when that forward is the majestic Paddy McBrearty wlll then it is time to call the men in white coats to deal with management. Even when Paddy was moved out that problem of one on one continued to manifest itself culminating in Donegal's third goal which could have been the electric chair for this largely young team. Going back to the Cormac Coffey/Shane Enright duo which seemed to the designated full back line when Donegal played more than one inside, could somebody explain to me the logic of playing Cormac inside and Jason outside . Sweet God , we wait for years for a natural born footballer for the full back line. Ballydonoghue give us this gilt edged present but management says, ah no, out the field is the place for Jason and we will slot wee Cormac into the corner for the high ball! Isn't it clear that this speedy, gutsy Kerins O'Rahilly's man is not a corner back but a natural half back. There are times when I despair trying to rationalise the thinking of this management. In any case , back to the action. Kerry were sparkling and when Nathan Mullins got his red card it looked ominous for Donegal. It looked more ominous when David Clifford created a goal chance for Stephen O'Brien which Stephen buried. During that half our midfield, where Barry O'Sullivan played instead of Jack Barry, were reasonable but Hugh McFadden was the dominant figure all through. Still, with a three point lead and a man advantage it was looking comfortable at the break. We were jolted out of cur comfort zone not too long after the start of the second half when Tony McCleneghan bulldozed his way past the gallant Cormac in the corner to crack home a fine goal. We had to wait for the final whistle before we were to experience any more comfort! At times, we were nothing but a patchwork as the rangy, athletic Donegal men powered their way forward. Our midfielders fell by the wayside. In that area, we were either outfielded or brushed outside when it came to picking up the breaks. Neither were we awake when Donegal adopted the tactic of a midfielder flicking the ball on an onrushing runner.It was inevitable that Donegal would translate their superiority on the scoreboard and this they did when Odhran MacNiallais, I never realised this man was so good, scored a goal to make it 2-13 to 1-13 in their favour. To compound our misery, Paul Geaney had earlier blazed a penalty over the bar. The penalty was created by our top man, Paul Murphy. However, Paul redeemed himself shortly afterwards when he got a crucial goal. It resulted from a blocked down effort from Stephen O'Brien. He collected the rebound in a space no bigger than a telephone box and squeezed it home. Paul is a wizard at that. In the past couple of lines I have mentioned the two Pauls and Stephen O'Brien. It must be recorded that they were immense when we desperately men in the closing stages to prevent us being washed away by the Donegal tide. By hook or by crook we managed to go two clear as the watches were being scrutinised all over the stadium. Blow it up ref! Too soon to blow it up. Another twist was about to unfold. A ball was flicked on from midfield to a wide open prairie uninhabited buy Kerry men. There were a few Donegal settlers in the area however and one of those boys flicked it home to put Donegal one up. Put that whistle away ref, plenty of time left! Fair play to the lads they picked themselves off the canvas , punch drunk at this stage. They essayed a free. Young Sean O'Shea kicked a monster to level affairs. At this stage I was uncertain as to whether the referee should blow it up or not! He didn't. Daithi got his chance and took the responsibility himself. He burst forward a few yards to create his space and slotted over a priceless winner. A lesser man would have looked to lay it off. Not Daithi. Sure, he has being it for years for Dr. Crokes. The referee blew it up shortly afterwards. You were right ref! It is not hard not to feel sorry for Donegal. In all the circumstances, they at least deserved a draw. Possibly more. They have the consolation that they a have a plethora of fine, new players. Tall strong guys with loads of football. I will be surprised if they do not make a big impact this year. And of course they have Michael Murphy to come back. In the meantime they have Paddy McBrearty. If there is a better forward playing today tell us about him. In that first half he came out to midfield , grabbed a kickout, made a few yards and kicked it true. However painful it is for the opposition, it is always special to witness the exploits of a master craftsman. Shane Murphy could not be faulted for the three goals. He made one terrific save in the first half. What I liked most about him was that he was always eager to take the fast kickout, keeping the head up all the time. The arch pilferer, Paul Murphy, was our man of the match. Surely, this will put an end to the absolute nonsense of playing him in the half forward line. One would think that we had an abundance of backs. Gavin Crowley was very solid at CHB and is a stong boy too. There is something very reassuring about Ronan Shanshan. He has an unfussy attitude, is tenacious with a good defensive head. Am I right in saying he was our only player who caught a high ball at midfield. As already stated, Jason was played out of position but still played with assurance. His cause was not helped when he took a ferocious blow to the face in the first half from Leo McLoone which was a clear cut red but got off with a yellow. Our midfield faded badly and this caused big problems for our defence. I cannot recall either of them catching a high ball and in that second half they were also wiped out in terms of breaks. Both of these lads will need to step it up considerably. All our half forwards can be happy with their contribution. Michael Burns was very willing and is a good man to give a foot pass. With more experience , he will be more inclined to take on defenders because he has demonstrated with Crokes that he is well able to do that. Sean O'Shea was wonderful in the first half, faded a little in the second half. Apart from his obvious ability , he is a big , strong boy and if he can avoid injuries he could crucial for us in the years ahead. I was delighted with young David. For all his scoring exploits, he showed, as he always did as a minor, that he is essentially a team player. He set up a lot of scores yesterday, while receiving a lot of attention from the Donegal defence with little sympathy from the referee. Talking about that referee, he is a strange official, little or no consistency. What is new says you. Grateful for the two points but a curate's egg display overall. Dare I say that management need to improve as much as the team, in particular players should be selected in the positions to which they are best suited and above all do not leave a treacherous inside forward operate without sufficient cover. Cillian O'Connor and Conor McManus are lurking. P.S. Any news on what happened JO'D. That poor man is cursed for the past couple of years. In relation to your point re Coffey and Foley's positioning... I would imagine the logic was Coffey having more pace than Foley and Shanahan. If there's going to be that much space in front of the full back line you need pace there. The plan clearly didn't work regardless. The real issue for me was no one really covering the full back line even with an extra man. Gavin Crowley is good going forward but a wing back more than a six. I wouldn't entirely dismiss the idea of seeing Paul Murphy in the half forward line again. If Kerry continue to employ the same tactics than you will need Paul in that area of the field to try and turn the ball over. He's probably the only Kerry player that knows how to tackle.. In fact he's Kerry's best player full stop. You can play him anywhere IMO. They also have P Crowley, Morley, Beaglaoich, White, G Crowley put his hand up yesterday and perhaps even Mark Griffin all vying for half back positions. I haven't even mentioned Killian Young. Kerry look well stocked in the half back line.
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Post by veteran on Jan 29, 2018 14:35:51 GMT
Derry4Sam,
Regarding the respective pace of Jason and Cormac: In a sprint between the two I wouldn't put all my savings on Cormac. Jason is a flier too. As far as I can recall he was a champion athlete at secondary school level. Indeed there was a rumour in North Kerry at one stage that he was going to concentrate on athletics. Thankfully, that did not happen. In any case, both of these lads have pace to burn. Therefore management will have to come with anther reason for this selection nonsense.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jan 29, 2018 14:43:43 GMT
Good to get the 2 points but defensively same story!! Something seriously needs to be conjured by management to resolve this ongoing problem. Sean O Shea is not blessed with blistering pace but his movement off the ball, cleverness and long range point kicking will compensate for that. Impressive debut for him but he needs to realise at CHF you need to be involved IMO in 80% of the attacks !! In the second half from play he didn't really get on it. Daithi casey is a cert for me in the panel for champo. He brings character to the squad. He's a big player/ character. He might not play ever game/minute but he's an influential player to have with good footballing ability.
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Post by OnTheForty on Jan 29, 2018 14:56:23 GMT
All the goals and highlights from the Donegal game at: www.gaa.ie/gaa-now/kerry-donegal-full-time/Shanahan and Kerry defence caught badly for the 3rd goal in a 1v1, but the play should have been called back, as the mark / free kick was taken about 10 yards too far forward. So Donegal can't complain about Casey's double hop for the winning point. Ref also blew for a short kickout against Kerry where the ball had clearly gone outside the 21. I agree with Veteran about McBrearty, he is some operator. Could not understand why McGuinness used McBrearty as an impact sub in 2014. His point yesterday from the kickout where he caught the ball over Enright's head, carried the ball and stuck it over from 40 yds was football at it's finest. His monster free from 65 yards was reminiscent of Ciaran McDonald. Was it further out than Bryan Sheehan's 2 monsters for South Kerry into the same goals? Don't think so. Are Kerry training in Currans now? Looks like it from a few tweets I saw.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 29, 2018 15:55:21 GMT
Yesterday's match had as many twists and turns as an episode from that old TV series, Tales From The Darkside and it looked as time petered away that the trip home for Kerry supporters would be very much on the darkside. We won it and lost it and won it and lost again until along comes Daithi to win it just before the bell tolled. Give it another minute or so who knows what would have transpired. It wasn't good for an aged heart. Apart from a significant wind , the day could not have been better . The pitch as always was immaculate and , as befitting the start of another year of hope , Kerry emerged garlanded in a sharp, beautifully designed jersey which was true to those adored colours. To cap it all, the back of the jersey sported large numbers which were positioned judiciously to enable old moaning Minnies like myself to decipher them without too much difficulty. As somebody who has been constantly complaining about the jersey numbers it is appropriate that I now sincerely thank the Kerry Executive for this innovation. Of course, thanks to Paul Galvin also whose creative mind brought this enterprise to fruition. Playing with the wind, Donegal started well and got the first score but very shortly it became clear that the young bucks were going to take the game to the visitors with our half backs very strong and all our forwards, oddly with the exception of Paul Geaney,looking very sharp and smart. In spite of that there was one feature of the game which began to give me palpitations. Our full back line was made up of Cormac Coffey and Shane Enright and worse than that more of often than not it was a case of one on one inside with Shane on Paddy McBrearty. Now, one on one , even when the forward is just of average ability, is looking for trouble but when that forward is the majestic Paddy McBrearty wlll then it is time to call the men in white coats to deal with management. Even when Paddy was moved out that problem of one on one continued to manifest itself culminating in Donegal's third goal which could have been the electric chair for this largely young team. Going back to the Cormac Coffey/Shane Enright duo which seemed to the designated full back line when Donegal played more than one inside, could somebody explain to me the logic of playing Cormac inside and Jason outside . Sweet God , we wait for years for a natural born footballer for the full back line. Ballydonoghue give us this gilt edged present but management says, ah no, out the field is the place for Jason and we will slot wee Cormac into the corner for the high ball! Isn't it clear that this speedy, gutsy Kerins O'Rahilly's man is not a corner back but a natural half back. There are times when I despair trying to rationalise the thinking of this management. In any case , back to the action. Kerry were sparkling and when Nathan Mullins got his red card it looked ominous for Donegal. It looked more ominous when David Clifford created a goal chance for Stephen O'Brien which Stephen buried. During that half our midfield, where Barry O'Sullivan played instead of Jack Barry, were reasonable but Hugh McFadden was the dominant figure all through. Still, with a three point lead and a man advantage it was looking comfortable at the break. We were jolted out of cur comfort zone not too long after the start of the second half when Tony McCleneghan bulldozed his way past the gallant Cormac in the corner to crack home a fine goal. We had to wait for the final whistle before we were to experience any more comfort! At times, we were nothing but a patchwork as the rangy, athletic Donegal men powered their way forward. Our midfielders fell by the wayside. In that area, we were either outfielded or brushed outside when it came to picking up the breaks. Neither were we awake when Donegal adopted the tactic of a midfielder flicking the ball on an onrushing runner.It was inevitable that Donegal would translate their superiority on the scoreboard and this they did when Odhran MacNiallais, I never realised this man was so good, scored a goal to make it 2-13 to 1-13 in their favour. To compound our misery, Paul Geaney had earlier blazed a penalty over the bar. The penalty was created by our top man, Paul Murphy. However, Paul redeemed himself shortly afterwards when he got a crucial goal. It resulted from a blocked down effort from Stephen O'Brien. He collected the rebound in a space no bigger than a telephone box and squeezed it home. Paul is a wizard at that. In the past couple of lines I have mentioned the two Pauls and Stephen O'Brien. It must be recorded that they were immense when we desperately men in the closing stages to prevent us being washed away by the Donegal tide. By hook or by crook we managed to go two clear as the watches were being scrutinised all over the stadium. Blow it up ref! Too soon to blow it up. Another twist was about to unfold. A ball was flicked on from midfield to a wide open prairie uninhabited buy Kerry men. There were a few Donegal settlers in the area however and one of those boys flicked it home to put Donegal one up. Put that whistle away ref, plenty of time left! Fair play to the lads they picked themselves off the canvas , punch drunk at this stage. They essayed a free. Young Sean O'Shea kicked a monster to level affairs. At this stage I was uncertain as to whether the referee should blow it up or not! He didn't. Daithi got his chance and took the responsibility himself. He burst forward a few yards to create his space and slotted over a priceless winner. A lesser man would have looked to lay it off. Not Daithi. Sure, he has being it for years for Dr. Crokes. The referee blew it up shortly afterwards. You were right ref! It is not hard not to feel sorry for Donegal. In all the circumstances, they at least deserved a draw. Possibly more. They have the consolation that they a have a plethora of fine, new players. Tall strong guys with loads of football. I will be surprised if they do not make a big impact this year. And of course they have Michael Murphy to come back. In the meantime they have Paddy McBrearty. If there is a better forward playing today tell us about him. In that first half he came out to midfield , grabbed a kickout, made a few yards and kicked it true. However painful it is for the opposition, it is always special to witness the exploits of a master craftsman. Shane Murphy could not be faulted for the three goals. He made one terrific save in the first half. What I liked most about him was that he was always eager to take the fast kickout, keeping the head up all the time. The arch pilferer, Paul Murphy, was our man of the match. Surely, this will put an end to the absolute nonsense of playing him in the half forward line. One would think that we had an abundance of backs. Gavin Crowley was very solid at CHB and is a stong boy too. There is something very reassuring about Ronan Shanshan. He has an unfussy attitude, is tenacious with a good defensive head. Am I right in saying he was our only player who caught a high ball at midfield. As already stated, Jason was played out of position but still played with assurance. His cause was not helped when he took a ferocious blow to the face in the first half from Leo McLoone which was a clear cut red but got off with a yellow. Our midfield faded badly and this caused big problems for our defence. I cannot recall either of them catching a high ball and in that second half they were also wiped out in terms of breaks. Both of these lads will need to step it up considerably. All our half forwards can be happy with their contribution. Michael Burns was very willing and is a good man to give a foot pass. With more experience , he will be more inclined to take on defenders because he has demonstrated with Crokes that he is well able to do that. Sean O'Shea was wonderful in the first half, faded a little in the second half. Apart from his obvious ability , he is a big , strong boy and if he can avoid injuries he could crucial for us in the years ahead. I was delighted with young David. For all his scoring exploits, he showed, as he always did as a minor, that he is essentially a team player. He set up a lot of scores yesterday, while receiving a lot of attention from the Donegal defence with little sympathy from the referee. Talking about that referee, he is a strange official, little or no consistency. What is new says you. Grateful for the two points but a curate's egg display overall. Dare I say that management need to improve as much as the team, in particular players should be selected in the positions to which they are best suited and above all do not leave a treacherous inside forward operate without sufficient cover. Cillian O'Connor and Conor McManus are lurking. P.S. Any news on what happened JO'D. That poor man is cursed for the past couple of years. Unlike Management Veteran and the team had a good day at the office. Tell me Vet, did we fall for what we inflicted on Dgal in '14, taking out Neil McGee/Jason Foley and leaving bteh FF/FB line open? I flagged that I already saw McBrearty on fire in the flesh twice and Spillane had him at No 11 Best Player in '17, and methinks there's more to come. He has it all and keeps giving as you say.
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Post by derry4sam on Jan 29, 2018 16:14:08 GMT
Derry4Sam, Regarding the respective pace of Jason and Cormac: In a sprint between the two I wouldn't put all my savings on Cormac. Jason is a flier too. As far as I can recall he was a champion athlete at secondary school level. Indeed there was a rumour in North Kerry at one stage that he was going to concentrate on athletics. Thankfully, that did not happen. In any case, both of these lads have pace to burn. Therefore management will have to come with anther reason for this selection nonsense. Totally agree with you
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 29, 2018 17:19:05 GMT
The idea is to try turn the ball over in the middle third as much as possible and is similar to what a lot of soccer/basketball teams do in terms of defending is a tight a space as possible. Its what Dublin do and to make it work- you need a sweeper who will drop back in front of your full back line so that they can just break the ball all day long Yes the idea is to to turn the ball over but Kerry just usually end up fouling out there. Kerry are too lazy in the tackle to employ such tactics. Or is the intention to foul? The whole thing is futile if you can't turn the ball over or if you don't have a man to cover the space in front of the full back line anyway. Was it the 2015 Tyrone game where we first saw this plan from Fitzmaurice and it hasn't really changed since? If this is the rationale for the system it seems to me that its a difficult thing to put into operation with a rake of rookie players. I think Kerry should do what Dublin did in 2010 and 2011 from a defensive point of view. It can be expanded overtime as players gain confidence. The danger is that some young player is going to get mentally scarred by a top forward if EF continues with this system
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