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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2017 18:26:47 GMT
If Luke Meade had his helmet straps fastened t'would be a thing of nothing
Reports this evening say that the CCCC have contacted the ref asking if he saw it and dealt with it.
If the ref says he dealt with it, then Austin is in the clear
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Post by playitfair on Aug 14, 2017 19:18:38 GMT
Justice has to be served and seen to be served fairly. Who's feeding the media about the cccc contacting the referee. Not good enough and putting additional pressure on the referee.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2017 21:03:25 GMT
I hope both Gleesons get to play in the Final.
Such trivial incidents shouldn't cost a player so much.
Both were stupid to do what they did but there has to be some proportionally to the "crime" and sentence.
Isn't that part of Justice too
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Post by delorean on Aug 14, 2017 21:38:27 GMT
I think you're being very soft on Austin Gleeson. It was an ugly thing to do and the fact that the helmet wasn't strapped was a good thing for Meade, not the opposite. I'd get zero satisfaction in seeing him banned for the final, I'd just prefer if he hadn't done it at all, but he hasn't a leg to stand on in my opinion.
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Post by veteran on Aug 14, 2017 21:46:03 GMT
I expected Cork to win yesterday on the basis of what I have seen from both teams this year. At the time of Damian's dismissal I had a feeling that Cork were getting in to a rhythm . There is no doubt it had a bearing on the game. It maybe that Waterford's war veterans would still have propelled their team over the line. We will never know. Damian can have no complaints . Indeed his first yellow should have been his second if you get my drift because his wild swing on Kevin Moran should also have been sanctioned. He tends to be a bit impetious.
Austin Gleeson surely is wonderful hurler but sometimes you would wonder if he has sawdust between his ears. I heard Henry Sheflin say some time back that this helmet dislodging is a very dangerous "tackle" and that it takes a lot of force to pull it off. And of course it also begs the question what damage the helmet and face guard would do if after dragging it forcibly ithe apparatus refuses to budge. Could it cause a severe facial/neck injury? I have a big problem with "tackles" to that area of the body. Hence my antipathy to boxing and to Mr. McGregor's activity which masquerades as a sport. I know of course that the latter activities are in a different league as the principal goal there is to deliberately inflict brain injury. The principal aim of the wearing of helmet and face guard is the direct opposite . Hence the introduction of the aforementioned apparatus is to be applauded and its integrity protected at all costs. The safety of the players tales precedence over everything else , including sentimental considerations.
Back to Austin and to the constituent of his brain matter. In a week when his team mate was put through the ringer for a similar offence, he goes and repeat the offence. Apart from the recklessness of the action how stupefyingly stupid was the offence in view of what Tadgh De Burca had to endure.
I will watch with interest the outcome of this case. I fail to see how he cannot be punished.. In any case, could somebody explain to me why some players engage in this activity.. When somebody strikes with fist or hurley the aim is to hurt. Is the aim of the offence under discussion to inflict eye, facial , head/neck injury. The potential is there certainly. Therefore the punishment must be proportionate.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 7:37:24 GMT
I think you're being very soft on Austin Gleeson. It was an ugly thing to do and the fact that the helmet wasn't strapped was a good thing for Meade, not the opposite. I'd get zero satisfaction in seeing him banned for the final, I'd just prefer if he hadn't done it at all, but he hasn't a leg to stand on in my opinion. Maybe he wasn't a leg to stand on but I can think of two players off hand who got to play in All Ireland football finals despite throwing punches....Connolly in 2011 and the Miskella in 2009. Both got red cards in the semi final. There are probably others. Every so often they get serious and uphold the law like with poor Brian o Meara of Tipp who never got a chance to play in a final again. But there there does seem to be an unwritten rule that suspended players get to play in finals but it's implemented on an ad hoc basis.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2017 8:00:34 GMT
Reports the ref is happy with the way he handled the Austin Gleeson incident and he will be free to play.
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 8:19:51 GMT
I think you're being very soft on Austin Gleeson. It was an ugly thing to do and the fact that the helmet wasn't strapped was a good thing for Meade, not the opposite. I'd get zero satisfaction in seeing him banned for the final, I'd just prefer if he hadn't done it at all, but he hasn't a leg to stand on in my opinion. I agree - the law is clear, you can't pull the face guard. I want him to play - he's gem of a hurler with great character, he wasn't playing very well but took the game by the scruff, and score a wonder oral and the hook for the goal chance showed unreal tenacity and will. Conor's was a nothing too, but he swung the hurl. I would leave them both off - BUT then Connolly's incident, he should have been left off, but he should have taken bans for other incident imo. Tuohy has to go for Galway, by letter of the law. If this was a league game they'd both take the suspension. Darragh should have been banned for 02 final, by the letter of the law. Look the laws need to have more common sense, but if you have laws you have to implement them, else as they say in Dundadawwk, it's a 'fahhrrrce" and hypocrisy, which of course it is. Change the laws, implement them properly. Austin will get off because of what the occasion means.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 8:24:39 GMT
Was Horgans red card a case of mistaken identity. Horgan must be one of the greatest and cleanest player ever to play. The linesman should be ashamed of himself
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 8:36:28 GMT
It's farcical if Austin Gleeson isnt banned- might aswell burn the rulebook
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 8:44:58 GMT
Why ban Austin and not Touhy of Galway?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 8:46:07 GMT
Why ban Austin and not Touhy of Galway? Sure ban the both of them- I dont give a sh*te- just apply the rules! It's not that complex!
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Post by delorean on Aug 15, 2017 9:34:24 GMT
Maybe he wasn't a leg to stand on but I can think of two players off hand who got to play in All Ireland football finals despite throwing punches....Connolly in 2011 and the Miskella in 2009. Both got red cards in the semi final. Miskella got a yellow card. The referee was asked to clarify afterwards and he said he was happy with his decision. That particular referee may have been retiring afterwards anyway if I remember correctly, not that it matters too much. It was a red card offence and Miskella should 100% have been suspended for the final. Was Horgans red card a case of mistaken identity. Horgan must be one of the greatest and cleanest player ever to play. The linesman should be ashamed of himself From one angle you can see Horgan have a small little dig at Gleeson. It's minimal really and Gleeson's reaction isn't much worse, but when you swing a hurley at someone you're running a serious risk. I'd agree it was with minimal force and I'd feel more sorry for him than Austin, in the unlikely event that he ends up suspended too. Why ban Austin and not Touhy of Galway? I think it's far more obvious that Gleeson's is deliberate. Touhy's might be, might not be.
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Post by delorean on Aug 15, 2017 9:43:03 GMT
In any case, could somebody explain to me why some players engage in this activity.. I think it varies, more often than not out of frustration. In this case, however, I think Gleeson won a physical tussle by the sideline and felt compelled to 'rub it in'.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 15, 2017 11:19:37 GMT
It's farcical if Austin Gleeson isnt banned- might aswell burn the rulebook There is a gombeen opinion of "you want the best players playing in the final". We have little regard for rules or the purpose of rules in the GAA. Gleeson is the one at fault here and I won't understand if he is banned for the final.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
Due process, everyone is entitled to it. Thankfully we all don't live in a black and white world.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 11:39:08 GMT
It's farcical if Austin Gleeson isnt banned- might aswell burn the rulebook There is a gombeen opinion of "you want the best players playing in the final". We have little regard for rules or the purpose of rules in the GAA. Gleeson is the one at fault here and I won't understand if he is banned for the final. Yeah that patronising nonsense annoys me alright- I'd like to see him playing but sure the rules are there to protect the players. The irony of it all is the rules are there, mostly, to protect players like Gleeson so I find it very frustrating when the argument is made not to apply them. If theres no rules then some headless hatchetman will just be put onto the field to take out players like Gleeson.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2017 11:42:53 GMT
The hatchet men deserves as much protection as the Gleesons. They just see the game in a different way. That would be favouritism.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 11:45:41 GMT
The hatchet men deserves as much protection as the Gleesons. They just see the game in a different way. That would be favouritism. I dont think you understand my point.
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Post by delorean on Aug 15, 2017 12:02:28 GMT
Due process, everyone is entitled to it. Absolutely. As long as 'due process' is transparent and not some vague conversation asking the referee if he's happy with his (non) decision - and accepting that he has to be right just because he says so.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2017 12:10:49 GMT
You know what Forest Gump said about life and a box of chocolates. The skippy courts in Croker are like a box of chocolates!
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 12:56:42 GMT
Was looking for an opportunity to use it, even though it's hard to link it to the topic in question. Game of Throne last night. Ser Davos (Liam Cunningham) ' Better to be a coward for a minute than to be dead for the rest of your life'. Quality. Maybe there's an element of cowardice when the portents of a deluge of public anger threaten. If Ozzie is banned, and he should be unfortunately, they'll storm the Pale.
We need Orwell's Animal Farm rules, actually that's what we have. All players and teams abide by the same rules. Some teams and some players in August/September abide by different rules because they are not equal to everyone else. Surely, that's fair enough?😃
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 13:13:27 GMT
Was looking for an opportunity to use it, even though it's hard to link it to the topic in question. Game of Throne last night. Ser Davos (Liam Cunningham) ' Better to be a coward for a minute than to be dead for the rest of your life'. Quality. Maybe there's an element of cowardice when the portents of a deluge of public anger threaten. If Ozzie is banned, and he should be unfortunately, they'll storm the Pale. We need Orwell's Animal Farm rules, actually that's what we have. All players and teams abide by the same rules. Some teams and some players in August/September abide by different rules because they are not equal to everyone else. Surely, that's fair enough?😃 I'd say there was room for another popular culture reference to be squeezed in! Also- no GOT spoilers!
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Post by buck02 on Aug 15, 2017 13:16:00 GMT
Was looking for an opportunity to use it, even though it's hard to link it to the topic in question. Game of Throne last night. Ser Davos (Liam Cunningham) ' Better to be a coward for a minute than to be dead for the rest of your life'. Quality. Maybe there's an element of cowardice when the portents of a deluge of public anger threaten. If Ozzie is banned, and he should be unfortunately, they'll storm the Pale. We need Orwell's Animal Farm rules, actually that's what we have. All players and teams abide by the same rules. Some teams and some players in August/September abide by different rules because they are not equal to everyone else. Surely, that's fair enough?😃 That was just before he was incinerated by a dragon wasnt it? EDIT: Sorry kerrybhoy EDIT: EDIT: I am joking
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 13:29:40 GMT
Was looking for an opportunity to use it, even though it's hard to link it to the topic in question. Game of Throne last night. Ser Davos (Liam Cunningham) ' Better to be a coward for a minute than to be dead for the rest of your life'. Quality. Maybe there's an element of cowardice when the portents of a deluge of public anger threaten. If Ozzie is banned, and he should be unfortunately, they'll storm the Pale. We need Orwell's Animal Farm rules, actually that's what we have. All players and teams abide by the same rules. Some teams and some players in August/September abide by different rules because they are not equal to everyone else. Surely, that's fair enough?😃 That was just before he was incinerated by a dragon wasnt it? EDIT: Sorry kerrybhoy EDIT: EDIT: I am joking I havent had time to watch it yet! I wouldnt mind seeing the back of Liam Cunningham though so lets hope you are prophetic
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 14:20:51 GMT
What's a tracker mortgage
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 15, 2017 14:36:30 GMT
What's a tracker mortgage A very precious commodity
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 17:02:13 GMT
What's a tracker mortgage A very precious commodity Re-classified as the Blue Moon mortgage
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 17:17:03 GMT
Austin can play in the final. Tis official.
The ref did what Barry Kelly did. He would have been foolish not to.
I wonder what he made of the other two red cards after seeing the video. He might be slower to go with what the linesman says in future
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Post by fitz on Aug 15, 2017 18:35:57 GMT
I think the predominant role of helmet wrestling is antagonism. Tommy Walsh was a fair proponent of it. Remember Benny Dunne, pulled the hurl on him in 09? Tommy was shoving the back of the helmet up to try cover Benny's view?
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