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Post by veteran on Aug 15, 2017 21:01:30 GMT
James Owens is quoted as saying that he is happy with how he refereed last Sunday"s match. Happy with how he handled the blatant , violent indiscretion by Austin Gleeson or happy that he/linesman did not see the incident. Happy that he issued a red card to the wrong man. Happy that he/the GAA regard the participation of a particlular player in an upcoming match as more important than player welfare..
Is the message now pull away at the helmet lads but make sure you are not looking. What will school kids think of this ruling? It is not unreasonable to surmise that the pulling of a helmet / face guard could have more dire consequences where there is often a significant discrepancy between the relative strength of different players .
I have frequently written about the increasing lawlessness in our games , facilitated by incompetent referees. This lawlessness , unless curbed, could lead eventually to a tearful excursion to the Four Courts for the GAA.
It would be no great surprise if red cards were issued in the upcoming football semifinals. Will those red cards be rescinded on sentimental grounds ? Or could it be that referees will be reluctant to issue red cards in those matches even clearly appropriate because the recipient could miss the final. Oh what a tangled web we weave.
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Post by southward on Aug 15, 2017 21:14:40 GMT
Can't believe how stupid Gleeson was here, especially hot on the heels of De Burca. Wasn't even any momentary advantage in it. He's a lucky boy.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2017 22:00:19 GMT
At 56 seconds into this video you will see why the red card for pulling helmets was brought it
What Austin Gleeson did was not in the same league. I don't think it was violent as described by Veteran.
Criminally stupid yes
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2017 7:04:02 GMT
Betting suspended on Pat Gilroy to become the new Dublin hurling manager. Brings a whole new meaning to startled woodlouse!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 8:20:38 GMT
Dublin seem to look to Vincents men when things are bad. Heffo in 1974. Gilroy himself in 2008.
This could be inspired and Mickey Whelan even though getting on in years now could be brought on board.
Dublin are good at u18 and u17 this year again. If he can persuade all hurlers to come back it could be interesting.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2017 8:26:50 GMT
Gilroy would only be going in with the intention of winning an All-Ireland. It will be interesting to see if the likes of Kilkenny and Costello become involved with the hurlers.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 8:30:15 GMT
A blue blood Dub told me that Ger Cunningham got off to a bad start when he asked for a C reg car rather than a D reg car when he took over.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2017 8:32:28 GMT
The "Double story" is set up nicely for Gilroy and the duel players in Dublin. It would give these lads an extraordinary profile in the Capital. Money couldn't buy it for them.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 16, 2017 8:45:20 GMT
Winning Leinster has become so facile the dual players are badly in need of a challenge - however should they complete three in a row AI's this year it would be strange for them to take their eye off the ball in pursuit of a four in a row - something that is missing from Dublin's CV and that would make ledgends of these players. Should Dublin fail in their pursuit of 3 in a row this year (which most pundits think is a formality) then it is possible some of the dual talents could look to Hurling for their immortality in the annals of the GAA.
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Post by fitz on Aug 16, 2017 9:30:15 GMT
Gleeson getting off shows up one of a number weak underbellies of the GAA. A complete joke. Gleeson should be banned from the final. Any other opinion has no foundation. There are no rules, end of.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 16, 2017 9:46:19 GMT
Just because james Owens is happy with the way he reffed the game doesn't mean that everyone else is. Austin Gleeson is one lucky boy & when you see what happened to de burca it makes him even luckier. Sometimes these things come back to bite you when you least expect so he'd want to be careful as he's far from an angel on the pitch. Not that it's much consolation but Patrick Horgan's red must be 100% guaranteed to be rescinded after this decision.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 9:47:52 GMT
Gleeson getting off shows up one of a number weak underbellies of the GAA. A complete joke. Gleeson should be banned from the final. Any other opinion has no foundation. There are no rules, end of. Once you accept that the whole thing is a joke you will reach a stage of enlightenment. Strict rules for small counties in early stages. A gradual turning of the blind eye as things progress and every sort of foul deed can be perpetrated in the final such as eye gouging and nothing will be made of it. It might even lead to mirth at the post match banquet like after the 2005 final when the assault on Gooch was laughed at. McCarthys assault on Vaughan didn't even get mentioned after the replay last year. The GAA themselves have brought disrepute on the GAA over the years.
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Post by fitz on Aug 16, 2017 11:47:44 GMT
That video of Banville and Fanning you posted was nasty, really nasty. Two straight reds and a 3 match ban would have sent a tough message.
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Post by delorean on Aug 16, 2017 13:23:48 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 13:38:41 GMT
I can't remember what year it was that Eddie reddened his marker with the hurley full force before the ball was thrown in. It might have been a final though so that's allowed.
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Post by delorean on Aug 16, 2017 13:45:22 GMT
Does that in some way devalue his opinion? Because he, once too, sinned?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 13:55:08 GMT
Does that in some way devalue his opinion? Because he, once too, sinned? It doesn't devalue his opinion. Just makes it harder to listen to.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 16, 2017 16:49:27 GMT
There should be a small select panel of coped on guys to review semi final misdemeanours with a possible amnesty for finals. Most of these incidents are minimal and off the cuff reactions. No one, if possibly, should miss a final for minimal misdemeanours.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Aug 16, 2017 18:17:13 GMT
Maybe both codes should adopt "two yellows = black card". Straight red only for the most heinous fouls.
Any sort of helmet interference = Black card.
Would Waterford have won if Austin was black-carded? I, for one, think Cork would have won (especially if Cahalane's card was black rather than red).
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2017 19:05:20 GMT
There should be a small select panel of coped on guys to review semi final misdemeanours with a possible amnesty for finals. Most of these incidents are minimal and off the cuff reactions. No one, if possibly, should miss a final for minimal misdemeanours. Great idea. It could be called the gombeen committee!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 22, 2017 12:18:40 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 22, 2017 15:53:28 GMT
Awful call by the liens man.
Horgan will have to get his red rescinded. He did nothing.
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Post by glengael on Aug 28, 2017 9:12:39 GMT
May as well mention this as it's the next big one up in HQ. A long wait will end for someone. It is difficult to predict who that might be though.
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Post by Deise Exile on Aug 28, 2017 9:26:42 GMT
At least the hurling championship has entertained this year. The football championship reached a new low yesterday with the ole ole midway thru first half. John Mullane to ride down the Quays backwards on a horse if waterford win. That would surpass Gary Linaker doing match of the day in his boxers when Leicester won the league a year ago
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 28, 2017 12:00:21 GMT
I'm hoping for a Waterford win, great value at over 2/1.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2017 21:18:58 GMT
A lot of Galway players were poor enough against Tipp while most of Waterfords players and subs were pretty good v Cork.
Tipp never got to the levels required this year.
Conor Gleeson is a big loss and we saw on Saturday with Darrens black card the damage a linesman with an ego can do.
Galway's strength is their half back line and Waterford like to run through the middle. Somethings got to give here.
All year i felt that it was Galway's year but their semi final display gives me doubts. Waterfords collective including the subs might be greater.
Then again, Ga;way are well used to Croker and have experience of finals.
Some of the Waterfords players might get overawed.
I would like to hear the West Awake from the Hogan Stand for the sake of Joe Canning, the Maurice Fitzgerald of hurling.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2017 8:40:40 GMT
Paddy Power going for Galway to win this one.
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Post by statistician on Aug 29, 2017 14:10:19 GMT
I went on to RTÉ website there to read about the Hurling Final and all I got was John Mullane wanting to ride a horse naked down the Quay in Waterford...his proposal is that Aidan O'Brien or Willie Mullins will provide the horse. I love John and I think he's great but this is the week of an All Ireland Hurling Final and I'd expect some in depth analysis.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 29, 2017 14:13:02 GMT
I went on to RTÉ website there to read about the Hurling Final and all I got was John Mullane wanting to ride a horse naked down the Quay in Waterford...his proposal is that Aidan O'Brien or Willie Mullins will provide the horse. I love John and I think he's great but this is the week of an All Ireland Hurling Final and I'd expect some in depth analysis. To be fair to RTÉ, I felt Ciaran Whelan's analysis (on the Sunday Game) of the Mayo kickout was the kind of thing we are crying out for.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 30, 2017 21:18:34 GMT
Looks like AIG have deeper pockets that JP McManus
####################################################### ackie Cahill August 30 2017 2:30 AM 4 The odds on Anthony Daly making a dramatic return as Dublin hurling manager were slashed last night after he confirmed he's stepping down from his director of coaching role at Limerick's underage academy. Daly, Clare's All-Ireland-winning captain in 1995 and '97, had been in the position since December 2014. At the same time, Daly was acting as coach to successive Limerick minor teams managed by Leo O'Connor, Pat Donnelly and John Mulqueen. In a statement released last night, Daly said: "After carefully reflecting, I've decided to resign from my position as director of coaching in the Limerick underage academy.
"They have been three very enjoyable years and the highlight was qualifying for an All-Ireland minor final in 2016. "I would like to thank the Limerick County Board for giving me the opportunity and a special word of thanks to Joe McKenna, the former head of the academy, who invited me in initially."
Speculation is sure to mount about a possible return to the vacant Dublin role - which he left in 2014 having guided the capital to Leinster glory the previous year.
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