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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 9:23:58 GMT
Tadhg de Búrca’s one-match suspension upheld by DRA
Waterford sweeper will miss All-Ireland SHC semi-final clash with Cork on Sunday
If Waterford are to beat Cork on Sunday and reach the All-Ireland SHC final they must do so without Tadhg de Búrca, after his one-match suspension was upheld by the independent Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA).
De Búrca was handed the ban after he was shown a straight red card in the closing stages of his side’s 1-23 to 1-19 quarter-final win over Wexford at Páirc Uí Chaoimh.
Waterford appealed the one game ban to the Central Hearings Committee and then the Central Appeals Committee - before turning to the DRA as their last resort.
However in the early hours of Friday morning the DRA ruled against clearing de Búrca.
The decision deprives Derek McGrath of one of his key players and star sweeper just three days before the Déise take on the Rebels in Croke Park.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 9:30:30 GMT
Harry Kehoe did complain to the linesman who was yards away that his helmet was pulled. The linesman called the ref. Red card. De Burca is a great clean player who has never been in trouble before to my knowledge. Hard to see how he will get to play however. I dont think it is. Compare it to Connolly against Mayo a few years ago. That was way more clean cut. And he got off. If Waterford can afford the best legal eagles then De Burca will play. I think the difference was that Connolly argued that he was pulled down and held in a choke position so he had to throw punches to free his airways. De Burca never had a chance of getting off in my view as it would totally undermine the official who was yards away and saw the helmet being pulled and there was no clear video evidence that it was accidental. The Galway defender last Sunday was not sanctioned by an official for a pull of the helmet. The CCCC dont appear to be goinf after him which is good as if they did it would draw pressure on themselves to go after everything missed by an offical and we know from past experience how divisive that can get
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2017 10:42:30 GMT
Waterford should have broke the bank and got AIGs crack legal team involved.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
Tony Keady ‘made everyone feel like he was their best friend’ Friday, August 11, 2017 Christy O’Connor
In the dressing room immediately after the 1988 All-Ireland final, Tony Keady wrapped his arms around Pearse Piggott.
“Thank you Horsheen,” Keady said to Piggott. “Thank you for getting me ready. Now, will you come with me and (Brendan) Lynskey for a drink?”
Every night at training, Cyril Farrell would put Piggott on Keady. It was all out war.
The two men went at each other like stags in a Glen. When Piggott would see Keady using his favourite hurley, tanned with linseed oil, his mission was to try and smash it.
He did everything to try and break Keady. Piggott never did.
Keady was never more prepared and battle-hardened for that 1988 final. He wanted to celebrate the victory afterwards in his own way.
Keady and Lynskey left the dressing room and headed home to their house in Phibsboro.
They had a cup of tea, threw on their suits and went straight to their local, the Hut. The owner, Bob McGowan, had promised a champagne reception if they beat Tipperary. The corks were popped. The entire staff dressed for the occasion in maroon and white. Farrell rang to tell Keady and Lynskey to head straight to the Burlington Hotel. They never did.
They watched The Sunday Game in the Hut. When Keady was named man-of-the-match, the place erupted. Farrell accepted the award. Keady eventually arrived back at the hotel later that night. When Ger Canning finally collared him, he asked him why he wasn’t around to accept his award. “Sure,” said Keady, “didn’t everyone already know that they gave it to me at half-time.”
That short story encapsulated so much about the late Tony Keady; loyal, appreciative, confident, great fun, someone who did things his way. Keady didn’t follow convention because he was such a unique character.
Before that final, Keady was asked in an interview what was his favourite food. “A mug of tea and lasagne,” was his reply. When the players read the line, they jumped on it at training the next evening like lions.
“Nobody in Killimordaly had ever heard of lasagne,” said Keady. “I read it somewhere and just said it for the craic.”
The Galway players loved Keady. He lit up the place with his wit. When a raft of them got married around that time, they all wanted to be at Keady’s table. He loved to sing. When he went up on stage to sing one song though, Keady invariably sang three.
Keady loved music. Around 25 years ago, Keady and his former teacher, the late Eugene Kelly, loosely co-wrote a song called ‘Galway’s Heroes’. Years later, Keady mentioned it to Ollie Turner in Galway Bay FM, who recorded it before the 2012 All-Ireland final. Keady rejigged the players’ names and gave it another spin before the 2015 All-Ireland final.
The depth of his character, the sheer weight of his personality endeared him to the Galway public but Keady was loved everywhere for his class and iron hardness.
A steel fist in a velvet glove. The first time Keady pricked the national consciousness was the 1985 All-Ireland semi-final against Cork, played in a monsoon on what resembled a paddy-field.
Keady, the young pretender, faced off that day with Cork’s grizzly old warrior, Tim Crowley. The second ball that came between them got stuck in the muck and Keady and Crowley pulled repeatedly, like they were threshing. That game launched the Galway crusade in the latter half of the 1980s. With Pete Finnerty beside Keady, that day was also the first showing of Galway’s greatest half-back line, which was later completed by Gerry McInerney.
They bestrode the game like giants, bristling with attitude, class, and power. They hoovered up individual awards but their status was so high that their names bled into each other like a phrase; Finnerty, Keady, McInerney.
As Galway contested five All-Ireland finals in six years, Keady was hurling’s dominant centre-back. His last championship match in Croke Park was in 1991.
His inter-county career was over by 29, but Keady was such a colossus that he was probably the first modern centre-back. He tended to mark space rather than his man but he was so strong under a dropping ball that few centre-forwards could beat him.
His long-range free-taking was exceptional but his mindset set him apart. His team-mates always said that Keady grew six inches taller when he went into Croke Park. The bigger the occasion, the better he performed. He was fearless.
His infamous suspension for the 1989 All-Ireland semi-final stole some light from his career but it still didn’t cloud Keady’s greatness as a hurler.
If anything, the misfortune of that time, added to his cult status and iconic standing on that Galway team.
Keady won two All-Irelands and was selected as Hurler-of-the-Year in 1988 but his greatest achievement was his family; his wife Margaret, and their four children — Shannon, Anthony, and the twins, Jake and Harry.
“Tony absolutely idolised his family,” says one former team-mate. “Everything he did revolved around them.”
They were the centre of his world but Keady always had that capacity to make people feel important, to treat them with total respect. “I was fortunate to win All-Irelands,” says Pearse Piggott.
“But my greatest sporting memory is Tony thanking me after that 1988 All-Ireland final. I’ve never told anyone that before but that’s how special Tony made me feel. Tony was a great hurler but he was blessed with buckets and buckets of good nature.”
That good nature touched everyone. When a friend of Piggott’s opened a business in Oranmore last year, Keady went into the shop, welcomed him to Oranmore and told him that he and his family would support him.
Keady never even knew the man was a friend of Piggott’s but Piggott wouldn’t have expected anything else from Keady.
For a tribute show on Galway Bay FM this morning, Sean Walsh pre-recorded a number of interviews with former players and GAA personalities around the country.
Joe Sherry, a publican from Clarinbridge, encapsulated much of the mood which has blackened the county.
“Thousands of people feel like they have lost their best friend,” said Sherry. “Because Tony Keady made everyone feel like he was their best friend.”
An icon has sadly passed.
And hurling people everywhere have felt that deep loss of one of the game’s most cherished and loved warriors.
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Post by delorean on Aug 11, 2017 17:22:47 GMT
Thanks for posting that article about the 'Tony Keady Affair', Mick. I can't say I was too familiar with it as it was slightly before my time, so it was interesting to get the full lowdown. Sounded like a silly, but ultimately very damaging, hullabaloo about very little.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2017 20:17:01 GMT
Thanks for posting that article about the 'Tony Keady Affair', Mick. I can't say I was too familiar with it as it was slightly before my time, so it was interesting to get the full lowdown. Sounded like a silly, but ultimately very damaging, hullabaloo about very little. Tipp and Cork drew the 1987 Munster hurling final. The replay was in Killarney. Nicky English levelled it with seconds left and it went to extra time. Tipp ran riot in extra time and Tipps return to their former glory was widely acclaimed. "The famine was over" said their captain on the steps of the Stand in Killarney. The problem was that Galway had a great team. Galway beat Tipp in the finals of 1987 and 1988. The fact that Galway didnt play in Leinster or Munster was thrown at Galway. They came in fresh at the semi final stage. By 1989 sentiment had turned against Galway and the Tony Keady suspension upended them. I was the semi final in 1989 and the tension leading up to and during the game was such that you could cut it with a knife. I hope Galway go all the way in 2017 now especially after the sad death of Tony Keady. Are you going on Sunday? Very hard to call it. Croke Park might be unfamiliar surroundings for some Cork players. The Tadhg de Burca business might mean that Waterford give up on the sweeper and go all out.
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 12, 2017 1:10:49 GMT
"We were pucking about and they were announcing the team," he recalled. "A ball went out over to the wire and as I was going over to the wire it just hit off number six ‘Bernard Keady’. Someone said to me at the wire ‘howaya, Tony. That’s not you, is it?’ The man behind the wire was none other than GAA President John Dowling who also warned Tony not to play. Norbert Hennessy then chairman of Tipperary club NY and proprietor of Hennessy Headquarters two blocks from Gaelic Park was the main driving force behind getting him suspended from the New York side.
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Post by glengael on Aug 12, 2017 12:12:53 GMT
The Keady affair was headline news all that summer. The feeling, as you say Mick, was that maybe Tipp weren't going to be able to make that step up and win an All Ireland after waiting so long to get out of Munster. It was knock out championship of course, so there was no 2nd chance for anyone. One wrong move and the year was over.
Killarney had the 2 Munster Final replays that summer of 87. I don't know if that had ever happened before.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 12:16:29 GMT
Yeah... the other replay went our famine was only starting while Tipps was over
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Post by glengael on Aug 12, 2017 12:21:10 GMT
Just realised that was 30 years ago... We have travelled many miles since then!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2017 21:51:12 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 21:58:00 GMT
I cant agree with Brolly he he says;
"One of the issues with the GAA rulebook is this idea - which is actually nonsensical - that the referee's report is sacrosanct unless there is compelling evidence to contradict it. And this leads to all sorts of problems.
He just wants free reign to get everyone off for a fee and spin his web of weasel words.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2017 22:05:03 GMT
It is as clear as day this player's action was accidental, yet he misses the biggest game of his career to date.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2017 22:41:41 GMT
The only thing on his mind was making a run up the field. Harry Kehoe impedes him. The linesman must see the helmet being pulled. I agree its very hard on him. How is "intentional" to be decided on? Its a split second thing.
But Brolly is just pissed off that the refs report about Connolly stymied himself in defending Connolly.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2017 17:15:46 GMT
I think Cork would have won this game only for Cahalanes red. Cork were conjuring up scores along the wings from Nashs puck outs and Cork were winning frees and looking a bit better.
With Cahalane gone Nash had no option for the puck out other than to belt it down on top of waterfords extra man.
In the 2013 semi final Dublin lost a man to two yellows and that won Cork the match.
One wonders would Waterford have been well ahead if they had gone man to man all along before the Cahalanes sending off.
Canning was off his game last Sunday yet he thundered into it when it mattered. Likewise with Austin Gleeson today.
The two red cards were a joke. I hope they are rescinded.
Waterford should point to Lee Keegans little kick in the drawn 2014 game and use that as case where a red card was rescinded.
Horgan did nothing to get a red card. Another case of an empire overstating what happened to the ref.
Galway v Cork. One of Joe Canning or Brick Walsh will get an all Ireland medal...
The future is bright for Cork. It might be 2019 though by the time they get physically strong enough.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 13, 2017 17:42:04 GMT
The final will be massive for both counties. A novel final, it is what the GAA is all about. Heard on the radio this evening that it cost Waterford 20k this week during the appeals process.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Aug 13, 2017 17:57:25 GMT
I think Cork would have won this game only for Cahalanes red. Cork were conjuring up scores along the wings from Nashs puck outs and Cork were winning frees and looking a bit better. With Cahalane gone Nash had no option for the puck out other than to belt it down on top of waterfords extra man. In the 2013 semi final Dublin lost a man to two yellows and that won Cork the match. One wonders would Waterford have been well ahead if they had gone man to man all along before the Cahalanes sending off. Canning was off his game last Sunday yet he thundered into it when it mattered. Likewise with Austin Gleeson today. The two red cards were a joke. I hope they are rescinded. Waterford should point to Lee Keegans little kick in the drawn 2014 game and use that as case where a red card was rescinded. Horgan did nothing to get a red card. Another case of an empire overstating what happened to the ref. Galway v Cork. One of Joe Canning or Brick Walsh will get an all Ireland medal... The future is bright for Cork. It might be 2019 though by the time they get physically strong enough. Shame for cork, they were going so well til man was sent off..all went downhill from there. I don't think the scoreline fairly reflects the overallcloseness of the game for most of it neck and neck. Was the two yellows justified?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2017 18:40:02 GMT
The second one was a definite yellow.
He was probably unlucky with the first but he did swipe from behind, probably at the ball but caught Gleeson.
Being on a yellow he should have known better than to do what he did for the second.
Fine margins now in hurling. Like in Rugby, having the extra man usually means victory
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Post by glengael on Aug 13, 2017 19:11:07 GMT
The final will be massive for both counties. A novel final, it is what the GAA is all about. Heard on the radio this evening that it cost Waterford 20k this week during the appeals process. The Kerry Cointy Board ran up a fairly hefty legal bill back in 08 as well if I recall correctly. GAA processess don't come cheap. Great to such a novel pairing for the hurling final. Cork have their minors there which must be the first time in a long time in either code
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Post by tpo on Aug 13, 2017 19:16:33 GMT
Surprised Damian Cahalane wasn't replaced after he got 1st yellow, always likely to get a 2nd
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2017 7:59:32 GMT
TSG discussed Austin Gleesons helmet business last night. Two notable things arose....Eddie Brennan said it is conclusive....and Dessie didn't say 'what about Dermot Connolly'.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 14, 2017 9:20:13 GMT
The final will be massive for both counties. A novel final, it is what the GAA is all about. Heard on the radio this evening that it cost Waterford 20k this week during the appeals process. The Kerry Cointy Board ran up a fairly hefty legal bill back in 08 as well if I recall correctly. GAA processess don't come cheap. Great to such a novel pairing for the hurling final. Cork have their minors there which must be the first time in a long time in either code Last appearance in a minor final was in 2010 (football) - last hurling minor appearance was 2007. They were on the losing side on both occasions. Its 2001 since they last won a minor hurling title and 2000 since they last won the football all Ireland.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 14, 2017 9:46:13 GMT
On the topic of minor appearances - football has had 14 different counties contest the AI final in the period 2000-2016 whereas hurling has only seen 8 counties contest the final in that period. It would appear minor football is far more "democratic".
When it comes to senior ranks only 8 counties have contested a senior hurling final compared to 10 football counties having a final appearance. It becomes even more troubling however when one considers that the top three hurling counties (by appearances) account for 74% of final places compared to the top three football sides 59%. Despite this it is football that is constantly cited as being the code with the biggest problem of dominance with constant tinkering to try and make the competition more democratic. Hurling is far more accepting of B grade competitions with weaker counties relishing success in Christy Ring and Rackard competitions but football refuses to adopt this approach.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2017 10:08:34 GMT
Crazy actions by the Gleesons. This could have a negative impact on Waterford's final preparations. It will be interesting to see how far Croker are prepared to go with the Austin Gleeson incident and if they'll row back on the sending off for the "sake of the final".
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Post by delorean on Aug 14, 2017 10:15:53 GMT
Are you going on Sunday? Very hard to call it. Croke Park might be unfamiliar surroundings for some Cork players. I was above alright Mick. Disappointing the way it unravelled but these kind of games can be decided on small details. I felt we were just starting to purr a little bit around the time of the sending off and even for a couple of minutes afterwards. Lehane was starting to come into it more, albeit notching up a couple of wides along with an uplifting score and Fitzgibbon was like a man possessed after an indifferent first half. He was running right at the heart of the Waterford defence and making life very uncomfortable for them. It’s not an excuse, keeping your discipline is just as important and knocking over scores and Cahalane got a costly rush of blood. Having seen his first yellow back last night that was deserved too, I wasn't so sure at the time. As you mentioned, we were on the other side of it in 2013 when Ryan O'Dwyer made two ill advised challenges. We made good use of the extra man having experienced the same situation in the previous round against a Kilkenny side with an absentee King. You'd have to conclude that it went a long way towards seeing us into the final. That's not to say Waterford couldn't have won anyway, they are a bigger goal threat than use overall so who's to say they wouldn't have come up with the goods when they needed them regardless. I guess we'll never know. The second goal was a real blow when we were looking pretty good in the immediate period after the sending off. I felt it might still be our day following a ridiculous score from Patrick Horgan. Christopher Joyce is taking most of the slack but, to be fair, there was no option ahead of him so he turned back hoping to buy himself some time. In hindsight he should have belted it up the field (to nobody) but it was just one of those things. It was as clear as day that he was in trouble but we didn’t react quickly enough to cover Barron in the middle and Gleeson picked him out brilliantly. It was a collective malfunction on our part, a touch of genius on theirs. In the article you posted by Jackie Tyrrell, he commented: "Eight weeks ago, they stormed into Thurles and ruined Waterford’s day with a great performance. But now they have to do it again or their season will have been ultimately unsatisfying."I like Tyrrell and it was another excellent article, but I can't possibly agree with that conclusion. A defeat by its very nature is going to be unsatisfying, but there's simply no way the season overall can be judged as such. Saying we have exceeded all expectations would be a massive understatement.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2017 11:50:17 GMT
Crazy actions by the Gleesons. This could have a negative impact on Waterford's final preparations. It will be interesting to see how far Croker are prepared to go with the Austin Gleeson incident and if they'll row back on the sending off for the "sake of the final". Can't see them going after Austin when they let the Galway back away last week for a pull of the helmet. I don't think the CCCC have gone after anything that isn't in a refs report and they would be mad to start now. The ref had a fine game but he should have given two yellows at the end of it to the other Gleeson and Horgan and no one would have batted an eyelid.
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Post by peanuts on Aug 14, 2017 12:26:15 GMT
Crazy actions by the Gleesons. This could have a negative impact on Waterford's final preparations. It will be interesting to see how far Croker are prepared to go with the Austin Gleeson incident and if they'll row back on the sending off for the "sake of the final". Can't see them going after Austin when they let the Galway back away last week for a pull of the helmet. I don't think the CCCC have gone after anything that isn't in a refs report and they would be mad to start now. The ref had a fine game but he should have given two yellows at the end of it to the other Gleeson and Horgan and no one would have batted an eyelid. I was listening to Michael Duignan on Radio 1 this morning and he was suggesting (based on hearsay admittedly) that the reason Tuohy didn't get a suspension was that the referee said (in his report) that he had seen the incident. He seemed to think that Gleeson will get suspended if its not in the referees report.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2017 13:19:17 GMT
Crazy actions by the Gleesons. This could have a negative impact on Waterford's final preparations. It will be interesting to see how far Croker are prepared to go with the Austin Gleeson incident and if they'll row back on the sending off for the "sake of the final". Can't see them going after Austin when they let the Galway back away last week for a pull of the helmet. I don't think the CCCC have gone after anything that isn't in a refs report and they would be mad to start now. The ref had a fine game but he should have given two yellows at the end of it to the other Gleeson and Horgan and no one would have batted an eyelid. Far from a shut and closed case I'd say. The Galway player got off because he wasn't looking in the direction he was interfering with the helmet. Big polical call either way with this one. I suspect the GAA will brush it under the carpet.
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Post by delorean on Aug 14, 2017 13:27:48 GMT
I suspect they will too. Everybody wants Austin Gleeson to play in the final. I agree with Eddie Brennan though... "it's conclusive".
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2017 13:34:59 GMT
I can't see them going near this with a barge pole.
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