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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 19, 2017 22:03:06 GMT
So you're not counting the Leinster Championship in your run? Well the way things are in Cork these days you'll have a few more walkovers to count in Munster for the next while! Weak comeback bro.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 19, 2017 22:10:09 GMT
They lost to Longford in O'Byrne Cup. Longford are our dirty little secret! But we still haven't been reduced to counting a walkover as a win. Tut tut! Historians will never be able to stand over the Longford result. It is broken service. Only thing worse then giving a walkover is absconding from ones duties. It's a broken service what ever way you look at it. Unbeaten record my arse.
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Post by southward on Mar 19, 2017 22:24:06 GMT
Longford are our dirty little secret! But we still haven't been reduced to counting a walkover as a win. Tut tut! So you're not counting the Leinster Championship in your run? Applause!
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 19, 2017 22:33:59 GMT
Longford are our dirty little secret! But we still haven't been reduced to counting a walkover as a win. Tut tut! Historians will never be able to stand over the Longford result. It is broken service. Only thing worse then giving a walkover is absconding from ones duties. It's a broken service what ever way you look at it. Unbeaten record my arse. Touched a nerve???
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 19, 2017 22:41:24 GMT
Fabulous night in Stacks Park and a ferocious game of football in a cracking venue. Two prize bulls going head to head and leaving everything on the pitch in terms of commitment.
Didn't see this result coming. Kerrys form has been haphazard. A top class opening performance in Letterkenny, a good first half v Mayo, a scoury performance against Monaghan and nothing to write home against Roscommon.
Indeed inconsistency has been a feature of the last five years in the league. Some terrible performances and some great ones when results were needed to avoid relegation.
Kerry should be treating every league game with the same commitment shown last night. The league represents a huge chunk of the intercounty season and is vital in terms of developing new players.
Poor home form has cost us a league final appearance this year and a further chance to blood new players, more is the pity. While in transition, I don't believe a team can just turn up in Croker in the summer and expect to perform against the big guns on demand.
You play into form throughout the year. I think our application to the league has been flawed over the past few years. Division one of the NFL is improving year on year in my opinion and is becoming a really good competition. It deserves better respect from a benchmark county.
Finally, I don't buy into some of the negativity here about the modern game or indeed the physical nature of last night. Top teams will be competitive and more often than not will have a cut off it. The modern game has evolved into placing greater emphasis on the defensive game. Watching the top tier teams defend aligned with a quality offensive game is fascinating, the trilogy of games involving Dublin, Mayo and Kerry in particular. It is where the game is at at the top table. I look forward to seeing Kerry over the coming years combine a game built on a great defence with the more traditional aspects of the attacking game in Kerry.
While the faithful left quietly if not disappointed last night on the long whistle after a thunderous affair the players will have a taken a lot from the game.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 19, 2017 22:43:01 GMT
Historians will never be able to stand over the Longford result. It is broken service. Only thing worse then giving a walkover is absconding from ones duties. It's a broken service what ever way you look at it. Unbeaten record my arse. Touched a nerve??? No, just an aversion to bull*e.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 19, 2017 22:57:34 GMT
Really enjoyed last night, great to see stacks Park absolutely rocking and the town buzzing afterwards. It was like the Rose festival in it's heyday. The game itself was very eventful and there was so much going on on and off the ball, you didn't know where to look. The referee had a hard time and neither team helped the situation. On both sides, there was a lot of laying down markers etc. I didn't think we had much chance before the game but the way we played in the first half gave me great hope, given that we had a gale to our backs in the second half. We had a hatful of opportunities and didn't take them. We continually gave away silly frees which was the single most frustrating aspect of our play. What happened at the end was an awful way to give away the equaliser, however, it happens. We got what we deserved and a draw was just about a fair result. Dublin were very impressive for about 20 minutes in the second half, their subs made a huge impact. A couple of our subs could learn a few lessons, you come into the game to have an impact. Mikey Geaney? Where was the logic in that substitution? Barry John has been tried and tested so many times. He ran around the place like a demented turkey and was taking pot shots looking for the home town hero score. Will he ever learn? Composure is something that he dearly lacks. For me Moran had a beast of a game, he was brilliant all through. Morley was teak tough and very strong all through. Ronan Shanahan continues to impress in an understated way and Stephen O Brien was excellent when he came on. How far are we behind Dublin? A fair bit yet, however, we are unearthing more talent as this league evolves and the last two games will help this process along. Love the league, it's a great competition. Any ideas what Eamon Fitz and Philly were discussing on the way across the pitch at half time?
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Post by nk1 on Mar 19, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
It may well be a bad night for kerry football , I am only hoping the conditions make it difficult for everyone and be a leveller , if we did win ,Jesus we will be buzzing ! We live in hope That's a depressing indictment of our standing in the game. . No fear of our standing in the game . Conditions Had a Hugh bearing in the game last night . Then again the semi final last year had poor conditions also, we can take some positives from last night roll on the next instalment Youth and speed is the key .
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 19, 2017 23:39:55 GMT
I am sure the Dubln management and team are not really too concerned about some record from a completely un-related era. Its like comparing apples and oranges. But just to be petty, why does the O Byrne cup get conveniently ignored in relation to this fabulous record. If there was a Mc Grath cup back in the thirties you can be sure it would be included if we lost one of them.
If the shoe was on the other foot I couldnt care less beating a record from such an un related time. Thats not trying to detract from how good Dubln are.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 20, 2017 0:58:23 GMT
Really enjoyed last night, great to see stacks Park absolutely rocking and the town buzzing afterwards. It was like the Rose festival in it's heyday. The game itself was very eventful and there was so much going on on and off the ball, you didn't know where to look. The referee had a hard time and neither team helped the situation. On both sides, there was a lot of laying down markers etc. I didn't think we had much chance before the game but the way we played in the first half gave me great hope, given that we had a gale to our backs in the second half. We had a hatful of opportunities and didn't take them. We continually gave away silly frees which was the single most frustrating aspect of our play. What happened at the end was an awful way to give away the equaliser, however, it happens. We got what we deserved and a draw was just about a fair result. Dublin were very impressive for about 20 minutes in the second half, their subs made a huge impact. A couple of our subs could learn a few lessons, you come into the game to have an impact. Mikey Geaney? Where was the logic in that substitution? Barry John has been tried and tested so many times. He ran around the place like a demented turkey and was taking pot shots looking for the home town hero score. Will he ever learn? Composure is something that he dearly lacks. For me Moran had a beast of a game, he was brilliant all through. Morley was teak tough and very strong all through. Ronan Shanahan continues to impress in an understated way and Stephen O Brien was excellent when he came on. How far are we behind Dublin? A fair bit yet, however, we are unearthing more talent as this league evolves and the last two games will help this process along. Love the league, it's a great competition. Any ideas what Eamon Fitz and Philly were discussing on the way across the pitch at half time? Philly and eamon. Not sure but with that scum bag Philly involved, it can't have been good..
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 20, 2017 7:38:06 GMT
If you were to watch League on Sunday you would conclude that both teams were "at it" - in the first half at least.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 20, 2017 7:38:55 GMT
Great contest, and certainly the home team sprayed their scent liberally all over the marauding invaders, and over Fortress ASP. And that's not the only moggy metaphor.
Kerry turned a corner, out of a dark alley with this performance, in some important ways. The evidence was very much in favour of the league champions, based on the previous game, and the belief, confidence, and momentum they had coming in. The challengers took up the mantle, and truly rattled their opponents to the core.
It took the charge of the old brigade to save the day, and a Kerry gift. As predicted before the game, hard defense, and hard running with real intinsity & hunger, hurt, and pride, and a sense of real belief in restoring the proper order built the platform for the Kingdom to display their true footballing supremacy. In short, they won the battle to play their game. And at the end of the day, that's really always been the way of it with Gaelic football, as against hurling, where it's almost impossible for a game to end up as more like a crowd of octopusses on steroids playing rugby.
But more importantly, to some details- P.Geaney is a wonderful player. Despite terrifying me in last year's All-I semi-final, I can't wait to see him produce another masterclass in Croker this year. Very few players can do it, he always has space, time, and class in shooting, passing, decision-making etc. Needs to avoid getting involved in distractions, and hope that if a Lee Keeganalike latches on to him like a voracious squid, he gets some refereeing protection.
Kerry are now getting it together defensively, building the pieces of the framework, it's an exciting time when youth, or even just previously unsung players finally start to emerge, and develop. They finally get the chance to shine out of the shadow of players who dominated the scene for so long. Crowley lost his way a bit last year but I fully expect him to return to form, and lead the coming wave in that part of the team.
People here will know how often I sung David Moran's praises over several years of struggle with injuries etc. When fit, and on form, he is the best midfielder around, a clear run would be a huge factor this year. It's the first time I've seen Fenton so quiet, and that was also due to Moran's fellow-lieutenant, doing alot of solid, often unseen 'work'. That alone is a major psychological shift for both teams. Also MCauley had another down-turn night after a good run, and with him off in such a physical battle it was a big plus for Kerry. Does he have another big summer in him physically, given his clear footballing limitations?
Dublin only scored 4 from play the whole game, and our forwards have often been bailed out by half-backs the last year or so. They also continually struggle for goals. The breakthrough lads are doing well but not in the league of the ones they replaced, some of whom are past their best. We will rely alot on the likes of Flynn to pull another really big year out of the locker somehow. And can Connolly return to form after his chastening club semi-final experience? He has cut a more frustrated figure in some major games the last couple of years.
Kerry are now getting pace, fearlessness, and real fight into their team. But I wouldn't write off the Gooch yet, whatever the rumours. The stars are aligning for him in a way, and he surely has a role. Kerry now have the luxury of being able to hold JOD back til fully fit but he will get there and be even more raring to go with the best of timing. Dublin will end up relying on Costello appearing over the Hill again, in view of the clear decline of lads like Andrews, and Brogan, and that Rock can't lead from play, Mannion has never nailed down a consistent spot, O'Gara remains limited against better backs, and Flynn doesn't have the pace of old. That leaves a huge burden on Connolly, McMenamon who was only a starter last year, and no spring chicken, and the newer lads.
Without killer forwards falling over the line for an All-I looks much harder. But another league win playing from memory is possible. Kerry need to show more consistency, as do Donegal. Mayo are really putting themselves in a hole, they got away with it last year due to a lucky draw in the All-I, it will be harder this year. Kerry clearly 2nd best team in Ireland and on the move, as Tyrone have shown no sign of improvement lately.
Finally Kerry are cracking Cluxton more than ever, and will surely continue to develop their own kickout options. So there's a fair percentage swing happening on the evidence so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 7:42:34 GMT
Agreed, Adrian Spillane got a few digs that dublin got away with but hard to have too much sympathy for Spillane given the carry on.
By and large the game was niggly rather than nasty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 8:18:33 GMT
If Kerry are to win an All Ireland this year their tackling needs to improve exponentially. While it takes two to tango, I just feel 8 yellow cards looks very poorly on both our tackling and discipline. As in last year's Semi Final we did a great job limiting the Dublin chances from play, but giving away so many frees is going to make very hard work of beating Dublin. I thought the ref may have given a few soft frees to Dublin last night (and would be interested to hear of those who were there had the same feeling, it certainly looked that way on the tube)... But even those aside I thought a good few times we tackled poorly, and it is a little worrying how cynical we've become at times. I know the argument "they're all at it" can be made, but as a county who pride ourselves on the finer arts of the game, it is disheartening to see so many pull backs etc happening. Ref was poor and gave a lot of soft frees to Dublin, but our tackling was very poor. A lot of work needed on that front.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2017 8:57:45 GMT
Great contest, and certainly the home team sprayed their scent liberally all over the marauding invaders, and over Fortress ASP. And that's not the only moggy metaphor. Kerry turned a corner, out of a dark alley with this performance, in some important ways. The evidence was very much in favour of the league champions, based on the previous game, and the belief, confidence, and momentum they had coming in. The challengers took up the mantle, and truly rattled their opponents to the core. It took the charge of the old brigade to save the day, and a Kerry gift. As predicted before the game, hard defense, and hard running with real intinsity & hunger, hurt, and pride, and a sense of real belief in restoring the proper order built the platform for the Kingdom to display their true footballing supremacy. In short, they won the battle to play their game. And at the end of the day, that's really always been the way of it with Gaelic football, as against hurling, where it's almost impossible for a game to end up as more like a crowd of octopusses on steroids playing rugby. But more importantly, to some details- P.Geaney is a wonderful player. Despite terrifying me in last year's All-I semi-final, I can't wait to see him produce another masterclass in Croker this year. Very few players can do it, he always has space, time, and class in shooting, passing, decision-making etc. Needs to avoid getting involved in distractions, and hope that if a Lee Keeganalike latches on to him like a voracious squid, he gets some refereeing protection. Kerry are now getting it together defensively, building the pieces of the framework, it's an exciting time when youth, or even just previously unsung players finally start to emerge, and develop. They finally get the chance to shine out of the shadow of players who dominated the scene for so long. Crowley lost his way a bit last year but I fully expect him to return to form, and lead the coming wave in that part of the team. People here will know how often I sung David Moran's praises over several years of struggle with injuries etc. When fit, and on form, he is the best midfielder around, a clear run would be a huge factor this year. It's the first time I've seen Fenton so quiet, and that was also due to Moran's fellow-lieutenant, doing alot of solid, often unseen 'work'. That alone is a major psychological shift for both teams. Also MCauley had another down-turn night after a good run, and with him off in such a physical battle it was a big plus for Kerry. Does he have another big summer in him physically, given his clear footballing limitations? Dublin only scored 4 from play the whole game, and our forwards have often been bailed out by half-backs the last year or so. They also continually struggle for goals. The breakthrough lads are doing well but not in the league of the ones they replaced, some of whom are past their best. We will rely alot on the likes of Flynn to pull another really big year out of the locker somehow. And can Connolly return to form after his chastening club semi-final experience? He has cut a more frustrated figure in some major games the last couple of years. Kerry are now getting pace, fearlessness, and real fight into their team. But I wouldn't write off the Gooch yet, whatever the rumours. The stars are aligning for him in a way, and he surely has a role. Kerry now have the luxury of being able to hold JOD back til fully fit but he will get there and be even more raring to go with the best of timing. Dublin will end up relying on Costello appearing over the Hill again, in view of the clear decline of lads like Andrews, and Brogan, and that Rock can't lead from play, Mannion has never nailed down a consistent spot, O'Gara remains limited against better backs, and Flynn doesn't have the pace of old. That leaves a huge burden on Connolly, McMenamon who was only a starter last year, and no spring chicken, and the newer lads. Without killer forwards falling over the line for an All-I looks much harder. But another league win playing from memory is possible. Kerry need to show more consistency, as do Donegal. Mayo are really putting themselves in a hole, they got away with it last year due to a lucky draw in the All-I, it will be harder this year. Kerry clearly 2nd best team in Ireland and on the move, as Tyrone have shown no sign of improvement lately. Finally Kerry are cracking Cluxton more than ever, and will surely continue to develop their own kickout options. So there's a fair percentage swing happening on the evidence so far. I will file that away with the one you told us last year about Tommy Walsh coming back for the semi final v Dublin.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 20, 2017 9:30:46 GMT
Tommy Walsh didn't make it back from serious injury with form, I thought he would find it, he didn't, but he hasn't gone away you know, he's still young enough. Gooch did make it back, isn't injured, and so his presence in the squad later this year is mostly down to his choice. I would genuinely be astounded if he didn't want to carry on from a great start to the year to go another 5 or 6 months.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 20, 2017 9:53:11 GMT
Barry John has been tried and tested so many times. He ran around the place like a demented turkey and was taking pot shots looking for the home town hero score. Will he ever learn? Composure is something that he dearly lacks. He is a good footballer but loses the head in pressure situations too much for my liking. That ball at the end should've been worked but he chose to go for glory which was an awful decision. Whatever about Murphy's brain fart at the end, Barry John's was just as bad if not worse.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 20, 2017 9:59:07 GMT
Cold light of day facts, failed to win a winnable game with the aid of a very strong wind in the second half and conceded nine points from frees when Dublin again just scored four points from play. Two of those from the bench.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 20, 2017 10:12:23 GMT
Cold light of day facts, failed to win a winnable game with the aid a very strong wind in the second half and conceded nine points from frees when Dublin again just scored four points from play. Two of those from the bench. Think this post says it all really. When Dublin needed to up it around the middle they did. As usual we can't deal with runners so resort to the pull down.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2017 10:28:29 GMT
The realistic focus should be building towards stopping the 5 in a row in 2019.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 20, 2017 10:37:38 GMT
Saturday night in the capital started with complete confusion. I went to a couple of different establishments only to find that the game was not on live on Eir 2 as listed all week. Buoyed by the rugby success the Sky blue supporters stoically settled down to drink. But it does beg the question what kind of amateurs have the decision makers signed over coverage of our games to? It would be interesting to know if Eir have to account to the GAA as to why the listings all week said the game was on live and thousands of supporters were left wondering with no explanation.
Because of the conditions there is no point over analysing the game. On a few occasions players positioned themselves to field the ball only to have the wind take it a yard further and player were several times deceived by the hop of the ball. Winning possession was a lottery. The referee intervened far too much but maybe the players had to be protected in the conditions.
The bigger picture was very positive. Hungry hunters hunt best. A lot of new faces showed no respect for reputations. And its amazing the difference a bit of pace makes. As has been mentioned in other posts this game could be a turning point. Make no mistake Dublin came to win the game – they introduced as much fire power as they could (20 All-Ireland medals) in the second half and still failed to win. A stern faced Gavin said as much after the game and said that with the draw they were going home only half satisfied.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 20, 2017 10:42:01 GMT
The match was live on Eir Sport 2 lads.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 20, 2017 10:49:16 GMT
The match was live on Eir Sport 2 lads. Only on the HD version of eir
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 20, 2017 10:53:53 GMT
The match was live on Eir Sport 2 lads. Only on the HD version of eir Ah I see, didn't realise there was a difference. I think there's a €5 difference in price per month for the HD as I'm on that but not sure what the situation is for the pubs. etc.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 20, 2017 10:55:42 GMT
The match was live on Eir Sport 2 lads. Only on the HD version of eir In my local the barman very obligingly spent 10 minutes with a remote and a blue screen trying to find it. Eventually we watched Donegal v Tyrone with the Eir 2 logo on the corner of the screen. From what I hear most people did not get to see it live.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 20, 2017 10:57:40 GMT
The realistic focus should be building towards stopping the 5 in a row in 2019. I hope your a pessimist and not a realist - dont think I could take another two years of the Dubs winning AI's
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Post by buck02 on Mar 20, 2017 11:03:45 GMT
Only on the HD version of eir In my local the barman very obligingly spent 10 minutes with a remote and a blue screen trying to find it. Eventually we watched Donegal v Tyrone with the Eir 2 logo on the corner of the screen. From what I hear most people did not get to see it live. Its was on 424 and 460 if you have Sky. No big mystery around it. And 11,000 got to see it in Tralee. Mind you most of those werent too bothered with watching a rugby game beforehand.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Mar 20, 2017 11:34:09 GMT
If you had told me we would get a draw the last night I would have taken it but it did feel closer to a loss after leaving the field. We should have won and could have had it won by half time had we taken those gilt-edged goal chances.
I felt at half time that Kerry needed to inject some pace in the half forward line to run at the Dubs (who I thought were weak enough at the back). O'Brien caused trouble for them the minute he came on and if Darren had come on earlier I think he would have done more damage. Donnchadh was out on his feet and should not have been brought back on after getting a bloody nose. I'm not going to pick on a few of the players who were poor but rather praise Moran, Geaney, Shanahan who all put in decent performances, particularly the former two. Jack Barry also played well and kept Fenton very quite (interesting battles await us). But Morley was defo my MOTM. He had Kilkenny in his pocket for most of the game. Brilliant brilliant performance.
For years we said Kerry had loads of firepower up front, but we were seriously lacking scoring forwards the last night. How we could have done with a fit Jameso who would have knocked over a few points.
Finally, on the cynical stuff, I'm not too worried about it to be honest. Tends to happen in big league games like this and it was good to see Kerry refuse to be bullied by a physical Dublin team.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 20, 2017 11:37:08 GMT
I often wonder do linesmen and umpires come to matches to watch games or to officiate? The linesman in front of me on Saturday night, I think it was Lane from Cork, seemed more interested in following the ball. Surely, the referee and co would have known what was ahead and asked the linesmen to keep an eye on stuff behind the ball? I understand that he has to follow play to a degree, however lots of stuff was happening on Saturday night as players were lining up frees etc. Just a thought.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 20, 2017 12:06:11 GMT
In my local the barman very obligingly spent 10 minutes with a remote and a blue screen trying to find it. Eventually we watched Donegal v Tyrone with the Eir 2 logo on the corner of the screen. From what I hear most people did not get to see it live. Its was on 424 and 460 if you have Sky. No big mystery around it. And 11,000 got to see it in Tralee. Mind you most of those werent too bothered with watching a rugby game beforehand. It was not on live on Sky 424.
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