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Post by Mickmack on Oct 5, 2019 17:31:46 GMT
Nothing much can be done about population growth in Dublin. The GAA are powerless to do anything about that.
The GAA have financially enabled Dublin to finally realise its potential. The AIG money is huge and enables the elite players to develop like the all blacks... no Dublin player lives too far away that he wont be home within 30 minutes after training.
The next step will be to have a few teams representing this huge population. Its inevitable in my view...certainly by 2030.
If people think North Dublin v South Dublin wont catch on, then they do not understand Dubliners!
If Dublin is not split I can see Dublin winning 15 of the next 20 all irelands.
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Post by dano on Oct 5, 2019 19:38:24 GMT
We nearly caught them this year MM and WILL, INMHO, beat them next year. They are not as safe as you make them out to be. The funding does seem unfair though. Who decides on it anyway? why do they get such a disproportionate amount? and why do our Dublin posters not think it's unfair? they usually call a spade a spade on other issues. I don't know anything about it really except what I see on here and in papers but it does look like a stacked deck in Dublin's favour. Am I missing something?
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Post by southward on Oct 5, 2019 21:22:44 GMT
Dublin have advantages.
They are 1 Geography and 2 Population. Thats it. Not money. For 100 years Dublin as a county did sweet FA about them. All Irelands won were an accident, apart from those won under Kevin Heffernan. I don't think you need me to explain why 1 and 2 above are advantages. But the GAA county model is predicated on Dublin being just another county. Once Dublin got its together then the GAA had a problem. The money spent services the needs of a county. A county with approx 40% of the population. Lots of kids, and I mean lots. Take a drive past my local GAA nursery every Sat morn and you'll see hundreds of kids playing GAA. Then drive out to Crokes, Boden, Judes, Ballymun, Cuala, Na Fianna etc. Hundreds become thousands. You get the picture? This is what the money services. Not trips to La Manga for the seniors. Just a few of these kids coming thru at minor level every year means Dublin will always be at the top table. And with that brings envy, jealousy etc. The stuff we see every day from McKenna and his ilk. The GAA loved it when we were just another county, bankrolled the whole operation but dont get notions like success and winning multiple All Irelands. The AIG money is a nice to have, because the brand is successful. If Dublin were *, and they won't be for a long time, the AIG money will dry up to some degree, but not completely. Dublin were * 20 years ago and they still had the best deal in town, with Arnotts. Remember that? Did Kerry have Kerry group in those days? Or did anyone even talk about the money? Anyway, I'm still waiting for Mickmack to tell me why its a good thing that Wexford and Kildare are paying shedloads for their managers. Jim Gavin does it for free you know... Geography? - is that a euphemism for having every meaningful game at home in perpetuity? |
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 6, 2019 3:22:52 GMT
Careful now. You could be categorised as a sour grape merchant. Population + regular level of GAA funding: 1 All Ireland in 23 or so years. Population + 17 mill of GAA funding and the Government funding agreed between John Bailey & Bertie: 7 titles in 9 years. Yet people still try to make the argument that the funding didn't matter? Aye, right Off course funding helped . Amongst other things It helped get more gpos , it helped promote Gaa in the capital. This set great foundation blocks that have been carried by a lot of ex Dublin players coaching at underage level. Yes the structure is wrong to have a county in the All Ireland series with such a large population. Compared to counties with tiny populations. Yes the structure shouldn't allow Dublin play in Crokepark as much as they do . I hope this is changed next year . But the narritive being put out is disingenuous to this group of Dublin players . Suggesting it's basically just down to money. Without the brilliant players of the 2011 minor team . Dublin would not have 5 in a row or 3 in a row . No matter what money was thrown at them. There is a huge close bond with this group of Dublin players , they are friends off the pitch . They go to war for each other and have some serious footballers. With 4 All Ireland's won , down to 14 men and a point down to a very good young Kerry team Dublin players could easily have folded and said unfortunately today wasn't our day , we gave it our best shot with 14 and Kerry on the day were just the better side. But they didnt and showed in the last ten minutes what sets them apart from every other county . The hunger and desire is immense. Obviously that doesn't sit well with some on here. The easy cop out is the money factor. The money factor and resources arguement has validity when Dublin is compared to a lot of counties. But not Kerry. Unlike Cork You have no strong hurling presence to contend with in your county. You have state of the art training facilities. You have top nutritionists and top strength and conditioning coaches. Unlike Mayo Your players are based in the county and travel to training is not an issue. Every Kid in Kerry wants to wear the jersey . So contending with other sports for the hearts and minds of the kids isn't a huge concern ( you don't have a soccer team in the league of Ireland ) Basically like Dublin the Kerry players want for nothing when it comes to preparation for the big games. The difference at the moment is when they step over that white line. Currently Dublin have the better players and have done so in a number of previous meetings. But the wheel will turn and this Young Kerry side will soon be on top. Every team has it day , that's the nature of sport . Cluxton, James mc Carthy, Con Callaghan, Mannion , Fenton, Jack mc Caffrey, Kilkenny don't grow on trees when they are gone they won't be easily replaced . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 5:15:57 GMT
Plenty of credit has been given to Dublin but given the title of this thread is called money, it is obvious that is where the focus will be here.
Also from a financial perspective, Kerry have had to make cutbacks in both nutrition and physios in 2019 so your statement re their finances are incorrect
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 5:18:19 GMT
Plenty of credit has been given to Dublin but given the title of this thread is called money, it is obvious that is where the focus will be here. Also from a financial perspective, Kerry have had to make cutbacks in both nutrition and physios in 2019 so your statement re their finances are incorrect Also a lot of Kerry players are based outside the county particularly Cork so while they don’t have Mayos challenge here, it is far from ideal |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 6, 2019 8:58:22 GMT
The current cash rich Dublin team is the prelude to a future semi-pro game.
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Post by southward on Oct 6, 2019 9:48:47 GMT
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Post by glengael on Oct 6, 2019 10:31:29 GMT
Would Galway not have had to account on a yearly basis to Supermacs for what they were spending the money on? Not sure why they should. Supermacs pay sponsorship to get publicity for their brand. It doesn’t give them the right to audit the spend. Galway gaa would have many sources of income Fair enough. I just would have thought that a man who has taken on the might of the Golden Arches might have asked the Galway Co.Board even a few general questions about the money was going before now. I read the extract from Kevin McStay's book in the Irish Times a week or 2 ago. It seems interesting. |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 6, 2019 11:02:36 GMT
Population + regular level of GAA funding: 1 All Ireland in 23 or so years. Population + 17 mill of GAA funding and the Government funding agreed between John Bailey & Bertie: 7 titles in 9 years. Yet people still try to make the argument that the funding didn't matter? Aye, right Off course funding helped . Amongst other things It helped get more gpos , it helped promote Gaa in the capital. This set great foundation blocks that have been carried by a lot of ex Dublin players coaching at underage level. Yes the structure is wrong to have a county in the All Ireland series with such a large population. Compared to counties with tiny populations. Yes the structure shouldn't allow Dublin play in Crokepark as much as they do . I hope this is changed next year . But the narritive being put out is disingenuous to this group of Dublin players . Suggesting it's basically just down to money. Without the brilliant players of the 2011 minor team . Dublin would not have 5 in a row or 3 in a row . No matter what money was thrown at them. There is a huge close bond with this group of Dublin players , they are friends off the pitch . They go to war for each other and have some serious footballers. With 4 All Ireland's won , down to 14 men and a point down to a very good young Kerry team Dublin players could easily have folded and said unfortunately today wasn't our day , we gave it our best shot with 14 and Kerry on the day were just the better side. But they didnt and showed in the last ten minutes what sets them apart from every other county . The hunger and desire is immense. Obviously that doesn't sit well with some on here. The easy cop out is the money factor. The money factor and resources arguement has validity when Dublin is compared to a lot of counties. But not Kerry. Unlike Cork You have no strong hurling presence to contend with in your county. You have state of the art training facilities. You have top nutritionists and top strength and conditioning coaches. Unlike Mayo Your players are based in the county and travel to training is not an issue. Every Kid in Kerry wants to wear the jersey . So contending with other sports for the hearts and minds of the kids isn't a huge concern ( you don't have a soccer team in the league of Ireland ) Basically like Dublin the Kerry players want for nothing when it comes to preparation for the big games. The difference at the moment is when they step over that white line. Currently Dublin have the better players and have done so in a number of previous meetings. But the wheel will turn and this Young Kerry side will soon be on top. Every team has it day , that's the nature of sport . Cluxton, James mc Carthy, Con Callaghan, Mannion , Fenton, Jack mc Caffrey, Kilkenny don't grow on trees when they are gone they won't be easily replaced . I think you are missing my fundamental point. If Kerry had won it the first day, this point woyld still stand. My point is that Population and money and good organisation and every player living in Dublin allows Dublin to create an unmatchable equasion. For ever. Kerrys 5 minors in a row will probably win a few all irelands but Dublin will be winning 3 out of 5 or maybe 4 out of 5 in every decade. Half the Mayo team live in Dublin for example. Their kids will be playing for Dublin if they are good enough. Why dont you read the Dublin v Kerry thread ....you wont find too much there to detract from Dublin achievement. |
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 7, 2019 16:30:11 GMT
Is it sour grapes by Sean Moran when he says that Dublins population poses an existential threat to the GAA. Sean McGoldrick has a Dublin north v Dublin south team in his column last week. I will post up the teams later. Darren Daly with 7 all ireland medals doesnt make the first 15. Skybluezone... other than normal mileage rates i dont know any detail of what Jack and Davy get moneywise. Do you?Jacks two sons are working in Kildare to my knowledge. I am sure that swayed him to an extent. No I don't, but it shouldn't be a mystery. And it is. The under the table culture in GAA is alive and kicking. Would love to see complete transparency. But I won't hold my breath. |
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 7, 2019 16:34:17 GMT
Lets not forget that they get to play all their league games in Croke Park. I think this started in 2010 or 2011. I am sure this is of no benefit either😂😂😂 Dublin have played league games in CP for a long long time. Not all, but a lot. 1970s onwards anyway. Some huge gates too, Armagh were champs in 2002 and the first league game against them was in CP, 50k+, and absolutely freezing. 125 year centenary in 2009 v Tyrone, another monster gate. Notably before the current successful era. |
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 7, 2019 16:36:51 GMT
Dublin have advantages.
They are 1 Geography and 2 Population. Thats it. Not money. For 100 years Dublin as a county did sweet FA about them. All Irelands won were an accident, apart from those won under Kevin Heffernan. I don't think you need me to explain why 1 and 2 above are advantages. But the GAA county model is predicated on Dublin being just another county. Once Dublin got its together then the GAA had a problem. The money spent services the needs of a county. A county with approx 40% of the population. Lots of kids, and I mean lots. Take a drive past my local GAA nursery every Sat morn and you'll see hundreds of kids playing GAA. Then drive out to Crokes, Boden, Judes, Ballymun, Cuala, Na Fianna etc. Hundreds become thousands. You get the picture? This is what the money services. Not trips to La Manga for the seniors. Just a few of these kids coming thru at minor level every year means Dublin will always be at the top table. And with that brings envy, jealousy etc. The stuff we see every day from McKenna and his ilk. The GAA loved it when we were just another county, bankrolled the whole operation but dont get notions like success and winning multiple All Irelands. The AIG money is a nice to have, because the brand is successful. If Dublin were *, and they won't be for a long time, the AIG money will dry up to some degree, but not completely. Dublin were * 20 years ago and they still had the best deal in town, with Arnotts. Remember that? Did Kerry have Kerry group in those days? Or did anyone even talk about the money? Anyway, I'm still waiting for Mickmack to tell me why its a good thing that Wexford and Kildare are paying shedloads for their managers. Jim Gavin does it for free you know... ? No, Mickmack refers to it. Training sessions etc easily organised, home within 30 mins (although that's a stretch in Dublin traffic). Facilities on doorstep. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 7, 2019 18:22:13 GMT
Is it sour grapes by Sean Moran when he says that Dublins population poses an existential threat to the GAA. Sean McGoldrick has a Dublin north v Dublin south team in his column last week. I will post up the teams later. Darren Daly with 7 all ireland medals doesnt make the first 15. Skybluezone... other than normal mileage rates i dont know any detail of what Jack and Davy get moneywise. Do you?Jacks two sons are working in Kildare to my knowledge. I am sure that swayed him to an extent. No I don't, but it shouldn't be a mystery. And it is. The under the table culture in GAA is alive and kicking. Would love to see complete transparency. But I won't hold my breath. This is deflection and whataboutery. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 7, 2019 18:22:43 GMT
Lets not forget that they get to play all their league games in Croke Park. I think this started in 2010 or 2011. I am sure this is of no benefit either😂😂😂 Dublin have played league games in CP for a long long time. Not all, but a lot. 1970s onwards anyway. Some huge gates too, Armagh were champs in 2002 and the first league game against them was in CP, 50k+, and absolutely freezing. 125 year centenary in 2009 v Tyrone, another monster gate. Notably before the current successful era. KG said "all". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 19:29:23 GMT
Dublin have played league games in CP for a long long time. Not all, but a lot. 1970s onwards anyway. Some huge gates too, Armagh were champs in 2002 and the first league game against them was in CP, 50k+, and absolutely freezing. 125 year centenary in 2009 v Tyrone, another monster gate. Notably before the current successful era. KG said "all". Exactly, Dublin started playing all their league games in CP in 2011. None in 2010, 1 in 2009, and none in 2008 I guess the fact that their success started in 2011 is just coincidental. |
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 7, 2019 20:53:13 GMT
Exactly, Dublin started playing all their league games in CP in 2011. None in 2010, 1 in 2009, and none in 2008 I guess the fact that their success started in 2011 is just coincidental. Why did Tyrone's success start in 2003 |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2019 21:33:09 GMT
Exactly, Dublin started playing all their league games in CP in 2011. None in 2010, 1 in 2009, and none in 2008 I guess the fact that their success started in 2011 is just coincidental. Why did Tyrone's success start in 2003 It happens that a county can have a golden generation just like Tyrone did. And Armagh did. When they grow old together and great players are replaced by average players then that county will go back down. In my opinion Dublin will be able to replace one great player with another simply because they have such a huge pick. 2015...Fenton 2016...Small 2017...Con 2018...Howard 2019....Murchan 2020...Archer Thats were the GAAs dilemma now lies. No county can match this year in year out. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 22:13:32 GMT
Exactly, Dublin started playing all their league games in CP in 2011. None in 2010, 1 in 2009, and none in 2008 I guess the fact that their success started in 2011 is just coincidental. Why did Tyrone's success start in 2003 Dublin must be the only sports team in history where having a massive financial advantage and playing all their games at home is of little benefit. They really are unique. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 13:17:29 GMT
Pat Gilroy embraced the Spring Series in Croker as part of the startled earwigs progression. He subsequently removed the Dublin hurlers from the Croker hype at their earlier stage of development. Croke Park ala Dubs Park is a huge sporting anomaly in the current game. Home dressingroom, warming up under the hill, aggressors in the handshake, marching stand side game on game. It cant be said often enough. The replayed All-Ireland final would have been mind blowing in Killarney. Croke Park is like playing ping pong in the sitting room at home for Dublin, you'd know the lie of the threads on the carpet.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 8, 2019 13:48:11 GMT
Why did Tyrone's success start in 2003 Dublin must be the only sports team in history where having a massive financial advantage and playing all their games at home is of little benefit. They really are unique. Yes its all down to Dublin having better volunteers than the rest of us |
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 8, 2019 17:05:23 GMT
No I don't, but it shouldn't be a mystery. And it is. The under the table culture in GAA is alive and kicking. Would love to see complete transparency. But I won't hold my breath. This is deflection and whataboutery. Deflection and whataboutery from what? Kildare are in hock up to their eyeballs. But haved always loved throwing the dollars at managers. Not to mention Seanie Johnston. But he just loved Kildare I suppose! Jack is the latest beneficiary. And they still cry foul. But they have a lovely Centre of Excellence... |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 8, 2019 17:21:07 GMT
such bitterness towards the lilly whites.
I hope this has nothing to do with that dastardly Ewan McKenna chap.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 20:19:46 GMT
Ewan is a great writer, top man!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 8, 2019 20:24:07 GMT
This is deflection and whataboutery. Deflection and whataboutery from what? Kildare are in hock up to their eyeballs. But haved always loved throwing the dollars at managers. Not to mention Seanie Johnston. But he just loved Kildare I suppose! Jack is the latest beneficiary. And they still cry foul. But they have a lovely Centre of Excellence... Deflection from the subject of Dublin's finances. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 8, 2019 20:38:06 GMT
This is deflection and whataboutery. Deflection and whataboutery from what? Kildare are in hock up to their eyeballs. But haved always loved throwing the dollars at managers. Not to mention Seanie Johnston. But he just loved Kildare I suppose! Jack is the latest beneficiary. And they still cry foul. But they have a lovely Centre of Excellence... Millage expenses between Dromid/Ballinskelligs now and Waterville in Micko's day sees this as no more than a pastime for both men in their retirement years from the day job. Of course we know yis are more into fuel efficient and environmentally friendly electric cars inside the pale! Frugal people, wont even build yis own stadium or centre of excellence. Apples oranges bananas and all that............. |
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 8, 2019 21:46:55 GMT
Pat Gilroy embraced the Spring Series in Croker as part of the startled earwigs progression. He subsequently removed the Dublin hurlers from the Croker hype at their earlier stage of development. Croke Park ala Dubs Park is a huge sporting anomaly in the current game. Home dressingroom, warming up under the hill, aggressors in the handshake, marching stand side game on game. It cant be said often enough. The replayed All-Ireland final would have been mind blowing in Killarney. Croke Park is like playing ping pong in the sitting room at home for Dublin, you'd know the lie of the threads on the carpet. I think marching stand side is a huge advantage . I’m surprised it hasn’t been highlighted more . |
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 8, 2019 22:43:35 GMT
It might be more of a statement of being facilitated in every small way that adds up.
Games at "Home". Dressingroom, parade, Hill16 warm-up, Coming out second. Boys are back in town.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 9, 2019 7:49:13 GMT
It might be more of a statement of being facilitated in every small way that adds up. Games at "Home". Dressingroom, parade, Hill16 warm-up, Coming out second. Boys are back in town. Spot on. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 9, 2019 7:52:24 GMT
Croke Park has become Old Trafford or Anfield for Dublin at this stage.
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