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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2007 20:05:15 GMT
Cluxton derides Dublin 'support'
By Conor McKeon
DUBLIN goalkeeper, Stephen Cluxton, has poked fun at the Dubs' support base and questioned whether a section of the massive fan base understand the term "supporter".
Speaking at the launch of a new goalposts safety initiative in Croke Park, the two-time All Star winner hit out at the levels of expectation amongst the throngs of supporters who pack Croke Park during Dublin's championship run and questioned where the same fans were during the league matches in spring.
"It's funny that you go to a game up in Ballybofey in the mid-winter and you have a handful of supporters there," said Cluxton.
"You go into Croke Park in the first round and you are playing anybody and it's packed to the gills.
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"You are kind of saying to yourself, where are all these coming from and do they even support the game, or are they just looking for a day out?"
Cluxton also questioned the nature of a section of the Dublin support, labelling them "critics" rather than supporters.
"I'm not saying they are all football or rugby supporters or anything like that. I suppose in Dublin though, you probably have more critics than you have supporters. They don't understand that term, I don't think."
The Parnell's clubman also admitted that time is running out for this current Dublin side in their quest for an All-Ireland but urged the side to keep focused on the task of collecting a first Sam Maguire for the capital in 13 years next summer.
"Obviously, we don't have many years left - we only have a couple of years left for an intercounty title - but you have just got to use them to the best of your ability," he said.
"As a team, if everyone has given everything for the whole year and still come up short, you can't fault anybody.
"If anyone makes a mistake, it really doesn't matter. It's a team sport. But if lads are messing about and not doing what they are asked to do, then you can say well that could be the reason why we are not taking it to the next step."
Cluxton was also adamant that the heartbreak of losing successive All-Ireland semi-finals and the pain of coming up narrowly short on a number of occasions would make victory even sweeter.
"I suppose, if you never lost All-Irelands, you wouldn't know the pain that you've had to go through," he added. "So it would make it all the more sweeter if we do eventually win one."
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2007 20:27:22 GMT
Rashers......... where are you now when we need you!!
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Post by homerj on Oct 12, 2007 10:51:12 GMT
he is totally correct but he is not doing himself any favours with this!! alot of dubs blame him for us beating them.indeed,the dubs are the most fickle of supports out there.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Oct 12, 2007 10:59:14 GMT
,the dubs are the most fickle of supports out there. almost the most fickle supporters...u dont have to look far to find the most fickle! |
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Post by Johnnyb on Oct 12, 2007 12:58:14 GMT
The Dubs are up in arms about this. Priceless. The resevoirdubs forum is completely off the wall though. Admin, youd have your work cut out for you monitoring that one....!
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Post by animal on Oct 12, 2007 13:10:20 GMT
He has a point of course. However who needed it pointed out that Dublin have an olé olé brigade..... what next? Kilkenny have a good hurling team shock! Man lands on the moon!
He'd have been better off keeping his gob shut. It didn't need to be said because every tom dick and harry knew it anyway.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 12, 2007 13:26:27 GMT
,the dubs are the most fickle of supports out there. almost the most fickle supporters...u dont have to look far to find the most fickle! Fickle f%ckin animals!! |
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Post by austinstacksabu on Oct 12, 2007 15:05:48 GMT
Stephen is a lovely lad, really down to earth, and I suspect he was giving a lash back to those who have drunkly abused him at every turn for the cock up against Kerry.....
But he should have stayed shut.
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Post by JOAN on Oct 12, 2007 16:52:46 GMT
will this cost him an all star?  ?? |
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Post by Tackle Hard on Oct 15, 2007 15:09:02 GMT
He is so rite! not sure those dubs that pack the hill just 4 a day out will be happy with him!
He wont get an allstar anyway after that mistake vs kerry!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 7, 2007 18:01:21 GMT
Well done on the 3rd All-Star Stevie ;D Paper never refused ink, though I'd love to see the herald and its likes printed on plastic.....and recycled every day as per usual  |
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Post by leixman on Nov 7, 2007 19:29:10 GMT
To be fair to Stephen, he was right in what he said but it was in reference to the genuine Dublin fan. However there is a horrible element there which I think he was referring to and I for one wouldnt blame him. Having seen him after the Armagh game a few years back I know how much Dublin means to the lad and he got horrible abuse from some idiots that day. He got more of the same this year for his one small slip up, completey uncalled for. I dont blame him for lashing out.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 8, 2007 1:38:27 GMT
To be fair to Stephen, he was right in what he said but it was in reference to the genuine Dublin fan. However there is a horrible element there which I think he was referring to and I for one wouldnt blame him. Having seen him after the Armagh game a few years back I know how much Dublin means to the lad and he got horrible abuse from some idiots that day. He got more of the same this year for his one small slip up, completey uncalled for. I dont blame him for lashing out. There's a horrible element everywhere Leix, I've met them all. The Herald was making the usual hay from a careless shout by Stevie, a statement of the obvious, the kind of thing that no doubt many think, and sometimes say in private, but that rarely ends up in a paper |
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Post by Johnnyb on Nov 8, 2007 10:22:35 GMT
True, "da herild" is a rag
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Post by leixman on Nov 8, 2007 11:05:12 GMT
Chances are it'll end up in the paper when you say it to you a journo though. He knew what he was at.
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Post by Johnnyb on Nov 8, 2007 11:16:18 GMT
Oh he knew what he was saying alright. Probably just acting out. The mgt have made the players pay homage to the hill every game. He's probably just thinking "what a load of shi*e, i can smell the beer and the bull shi* from the 21 yard line"
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Post by leixman on Nov 8, 2007 11:46:09 GMT
I get the impression that Cluxton hears more of the sh*e than most standing right in front of it. I agree with MTierney that they're in every county, but with dublin's huge support for Cship days they have more than most and Cluxton seems to be fed up with that element.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 8, 2007 17:10:34 GMT
To be fair to Stephen, he was right in what he said but it was in reference to the genuine Dublin fan. However there is a horrible element there which I think he was referring to and I for one wouldnt blame him. Having seen him after the Armagh game a few years back I know how much Dublin means to the lad and he got horrible abuse from some idiots that day. He got more of the same this year for his one small slip up, completey uncalled for. I dont blame him for lashing out. There's a horrible element everywhere Leix, I've met them all. The Herald was making the usual hay from a careless shout by Stevie, a statement of the obvious, the kind of thing that no doubt many think, and sometimes say in private, but that rarely ends up in a paper I think that if all fairness rashers........ you a shooting the messenger. Cluxton came out with a strange one before ............about country people in dublin "going home for the weekend and talkin" Cluxton is a big boy now......... but he is prone to the odd rush of blood to the head...... on and off the pitch. Would you not agree? |
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 10, 2007 18:15:44 GMT
There's a horrible element everywhere Leix, I've met them all. The Herald was making the usual hay from a careless shout by Stevie, a statement of the obvious, the kind of thing that no doubt many think, and sometimes say in private, but that rarely ends up in a paper I think that if all fairness rashers........ you a shooting the messenger. Cluxton came out with a strange one before ............about country people in dublin "going home for the weekend and talkin" Cluxton is a big boy now......... but he is prone to the odd rush of blood to the head...... on and off the pitch. Would you not agree? I would. He was right about the cousins going home & talking. As for the "beer and bull*", that's everywhere. The Hill doesnt have a monopoly by any means, or is that point about people who stand being lesser supporters than those who sit? Strange one really...... Nobody forced the team to do the ritual in front of the Hill, it was the players' decision, it's well-known that Pillar has gone out of his way to make them take responsibility after the Lyons era. Perhaps Pillar should take more, who knows. Every team has their rituals. Personally I think that drawing more attention is not the best idea, but sometimes you have to tackle some things head on. For years it has been said that Dublin teams dont cope with the expectation of the fans, so they made a concerted effort to do something that would both defuse their own anxiety and distraction vis-a-vis the crowd in games, whilst seeking also to use the inspiration of the crowd. Nothing wrong with that in my mind, but you're damned if you do etc, and none of this would matter if they had won an All-I. To suggest that they havent because of that is ludicrous. After, the same people making that claim, then contradict themselves by saying "it's all about the players on the pitch, in the game, and when the chips are down" All players/teams at that level have to have their own preparation to deal with hype and expectation, generally with distraction. If the national spotlight was always on every aspect of Kerry's or Cork's or Meath's or Galway's or Tyrone's or Armagh's actions, how would they stand up? I dont care if a team walks to all four corners of the stadium if they think it helps them, only they can know. We are forever hearing after the event that a winning team this or that quirky innovation to help them get the extra edge to win. Of course as always, it's easy to say that in hindsight, but there's only so much preparation, the rest is ability to play to your potential and deal with whatever crops up on the day I wish it was the Dubs-Kerry game all over again tomorrow, if I was a player, Id not sleep easy til it happened. If I was Cluxton, I would feel that a bit of bad luck with the Kerry goal and then that clearance straight to Donaghy (that was the main thing, the miss-kick, not the solo) were big factors in Kerry winning. Most Dublin fans dont blame Stevie. We know he will be back. Bring it on  |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 10, 2007 20:52:02 GMT
do you think that the Dubs would be better off without all the "summer fans" who turn Croker Park into a wonderful spectacle but ......... perhaps................put too much pressure on the players........
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 11, 2007 23:40:30 GMT
do you think that the Dubs would be better off without all the "summer fans" who turn Croker Park into a wonderful spectacle but ......... perhaps................put too much pressure on the players........ ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Play a different tune for a change Mick. Do you think Kerry would be better off without the August/September fans? Do you think the GAA would be better off? |
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Post by dstar10 on Nov 11, 2007 23:53:53 GMT
do you think that the Dubs would be better off without all the "summer fans" who turn Croker Park into a wonderful spectacle but ......... perhaps................put too much pressure on the players........ ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Play a different tune for a change Mick. Do you think Kerry would be better off without the August/September fans? Do you think the GAA would be better off? at least d "kerry august september " fans dont think there at a soccer game , they know d names of d players , and dont go because its d closest they can get to a premiership game in ireland.in most counties there is a hardcore base of fans that go to all games even in dublin! in d summer in d absence of d premiership these so called fans jump on d bandwagon being supporting d dublin football team |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 12, 2007 0:26:24 GMT
do you think that the Dubs would be better off without all the "summer fans" who turn Croker Park into a wonderful spectacle but ......... perhaps................put too much pressure on the players........ ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Play a different tune for a change Mick. Do you think Kerry would be better off without the August/September fans? Do you think the GAA would be better off? Cluxton seems to think that Dublin would be better off without them. Just wonderin if you agreed with him? |
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 12, 2007 17:33:38 GMT
He was right about the cousins going home & talking.
Please explain Rashers.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 12, 2007 22:08:18 GMT
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Play a different tune for a change Mick. Do you think Kerry would be better off without the August/September fans? Do you think the GAA would be better off? at least d "kerry august september " fans dont think there at a soccer game , they know d names of d players , and dont go because its d closest they can get to a premiership game in ireland.in most counties there is a hardcore base of fans that go to all games even in dublin! in d summer in d absence of d premiership these so called fans jump on d bandwagon being supporting d dublin football team Yes, I'm sure all of the Kerry fans, and other counties' fans, who show up only for big games, are not at all into Premiership, Heineken Cup, or any other big nasty foreign sports.I'm sure they know the names of all the players, if you say so, it must be true. So what would you prefer, that all these people stay away? I'm sure the half-empty stadiums would be much better without them. Kerry has plenty of bandwagoners my friend, dont delude yourself, if Kerry have another famine, lets see how many would show up for most of their games |
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Post by dstar10 on Nov 12, 2007 22:13:15 GMT
at least d "kerry august september " fans dont think there at a soccer game , they know d names of d players , and dont go because its d closest they can get to a premiership game in ireland.in most counties there is a hardcore base of fans that go to all games even in dublin! in d summer in d absence of d premiership these so called fans jump on d bandwagon being supporting d dublin football team Yes, I'm sure all of the Kerry fans, and other counties' fans, who show up only for big games, are not at all into Premiership, Heineken Cup, or any other big nasty foreign sports.I'm sure they know the names of all the players, if you say so, it must be true. So what would you prefer, that all these people stay away? I'm sure the half-empty stadiums would be much better without them. Kerry has plenty of bandwagoners my friend, dont delude yourself, if Kerry have another famine, lets see how many would show up for most of their games u are spot on in most of what u are saying as we speak league attendances are dropping and i am not talking about interests here for most in kerry football is everything and is our main sport with rugby and soccer are sideshows in d football off season but in dublin its d other way around |
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 12, 2007 22:14:18 GMT
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Play a different tune for a change Mick. Do you think Kerry would be better off without the August/September fans? Do you think the GAA would be better off? Cluxton seems to think that Dublin would be better off without them. Just wonderin if you agreed with him? No you werent, you didnt say anything about Cluxton, you added that in for a wind-up. I can only speak for myself, I respect all people who go to a game. If it wasnt for them, GAA would be a bit of a purist thing, and a bit irrelevant. SO I'm happy to see them there. And I like soccer, it's great to see the crossover, if it wasnt for the Dubs Gaelic Football team, GAA would be a minority cultural show for tourists in the capital city. What about you Mick? Do you think all Kerry August-September bandwagoners are just animals, or are the animals the real fans? |
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Post by dstar10 on Nov 12, 2007 22:15:27 GMT
Cluxton seems to think that Dublin would be better off without them. Just wonderin if you agreed with him? No you werent, you didnt say anything about Cluxton, you added that in for a wind-up. I can only speak for myself, I respect all people who go to a game. If it wasnt for them, GAA would be a bit of a purist thing, and a bit irrelevant. SO I'm happy to see them there. And I like soccer, it's great to see the crossover, if it wasnt for the Dubs Gaelic Football team, GAA would be a minority cultural show for tourists in the capital city. What about you Mick? Do you think all Kerry August-September bandwagoners are just animals, or are the animals the real fans? animals are d real fans |
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 12, 2007 22:28:18 GMT
Yes, I'm sure all of the Kerry fans, and other counties' fans, who show up only for big games, are not at all into Premiership, Heineken Cup, or any other big nasty foreign sports.I'm sure they know the names of all the players, if you say so, it must be true. So what would you prefer, that all these people stay away? I'm sure the half-empty stadiums would be much better without them. Kerry has plenty of bandwagoners my friend, dont delude yourself, if Kerry have another famine, lets see how many would show up for most of their games u are spot on in most of what u are saying as we speak league attendances are dropping and i am not talking about interests here for most in kerry football is everything and is our main sport with rugby and soccer are sideshows in d football off season but in dublin its d other way around I agree with you that things are not great, and I do detect alot of disillusion within GAA, not least from the players, but I think you dont understand the Dublin scene, there is a GAA scene, and that will not decline, in fact if anything, there is alot more REAL disillusionment with the likes of the Premiership. That's because real Irish sports' lovers know what is authentic over what is glamour but lacking substance. And there is a sense of belonging with GAA here, that runs alot deeper than anything else. Fear not |
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 12, 2007 22:29:29 GMT
He was right about the cousins going home & talking.Please explain Rashers. That would be telling Owen |
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