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Post by Owenabue on Nov 12, 2007 22:36:43 GMT
Believe it or not, that's why I asked. I only have one cousin in Dublin, and he certainly doesn't be reporting any football type news when he comes back.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 12, 2007 22:40:22 GMT
Rashers ........... you are very skillfully dodging the issue in this thread. It is about what Cluxton said. Below in the salient bit.
now........... whats your view on what he said.
No more "pass the parcel"............ what do you think?
Speaking at the launch of a new goalposts safety initiative in Croke Park, the two-time All Star winner hit out at the levels of expectation amongst the throngs of supporters who pack Croke Park during Dublin's championship run and questioned where the same fans were during the league matches in spring.
"It's funny that you go to a game up in Ballybofey in the mid-winter and you have a handful of supporters there," said Cluxton. "You go into Croke Park in the first round and you are playing anybody and it's packed to the gills. CRITICS "You are kind of saying to yourself, where are all these coming from and do they even support the game, or are they just looking for a day out?" Cluxton also questioned the nature of a section of the Dublin support, labelling them "critics" rather than supporters. "I'm not saying they are all football or rugby supporters or anything like that. I suppose in Dublin though, you probably have more critics than you have supporters. They don't understand that term, I don't think."
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 12, 2007 22:55:02 GMT
The bit at the end, same could be said of Cork or Kerry and most counties in Ireland. Seriously, just look at what happened after the Munster Final in 2006, or the way Cork got treated after the final. No team is without it's critics.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 12, 2007 23:19:24 GMT
Rashers ........... you are very skillfully dodging the issue in this thread. It is about what Cluxton said. Below in the salient bit. now........... whats your view on what he said. No more "pass the parcel"............ what do you think? Speaking at the launch of a new goalposts safety initiative in Croke Park, the two-time All Star winner hit out at the levels of expectation amongst the throngs of supporters who pack Croke Park during Dublin's championship run and questioned where the same fans were during the league matches in spring. "It's funny that you go to a game up in Ballybofey in the mid-winter and you have a handful of supporters there," said Cluxton. "You go into Croke Park in the first round and you are playing anybody and it's packed to the gills. CRITICS "You are kind of saying to yourself, where are all these coming from and do they even support the game, or are they just looking for a day out?" Cluxton also questioned the nature of a section of the Dublin support, labelling them "critics" rather than supporters. "I'm not saying they are all football or rugby supporters or anything like that. I suppose in Dublin though, you probably have more critics than you have supporters. They don't understand that term, I don't think." I answered you about what Stevie said Mick, but you ignored it. You didnt answer any of my questions about the Kerry support. As usual, you ask loads of questions, change the question so that you can ask more but try to make it look like the same question, and avoid answering questions. This is an ongoing weakness with you Mick. What about the bandwagon Munster rugby fans Mick? Where were they when Kerry played the League final last year in Limerick, in front of a few thousand? If Dblin had been in the League final, there would have been 60,000 Mick, how do you explain that? Or would you rather that 30,000 of those stayed away? I wouldnt Mick
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 13, 2007 18:42:26 GMT
Kerry never claimed to have the best fans in the country. The dubs think they are the best .................. even though they have virtually no travelling expenses or accomodation expenses. Cluxton bew that myth the pieces ..... fair play to him
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Post by dstar10 on Nov 13, 2007 19:00:16 GMT
Rashers ........... you are very skillfully dodging the issue in this thread. It is about what Cluxton said. Below in the salient bit. now........... whats your view on what he said. No more "pass the parcel"............ what do you think? Speaking at the launch of a new goalposts safety initiative in Croke Park, the two-time All Star winner hit out at the levels of expectation amongst the throngs of supporters who pack Croke Park during Dublin's championship run and questioned where the same fans were during the league matches in spring. "It's funny that you go to a game up in Ballybofey in the mid-winter and you have a handful of supporters there," said Cluxton. "You go into Croke Park in the first round and you are playing anybody and it's packed to the gills. CRITICS "You are kind of saying to yourself, where are all these coming from and do they even support the game, or are they just looking for a day out?" Cluxton also questioned the nature of a section of the Dublin support, labelling them "critics" rather than supporters. "I'm not saying they are all football or rugby supporters or anything like that. I suppose in Dublin though, you probably have more critics than you have supporters. They don't understand that term, I don't think." I answered you about what Stevie said Mick, but you ignored it. You didnt answer any of my questions about the Kerry support. As usual, you ask loads of questions, change the question so that you can ask more but try to make it look like the same question, and avoid answering questions. This is an ongoing weakness with you Mick. What about the bandwagon Munster rugby fans Mick? Where were they when Kerry played the League final last year in Limerick, in front of a few thousand? If Dblin had been in the League final, there would have been 60,000 Mick, how do you explain that? Or would you rather that 30,000 of those stayed away? I wouldnt Mick are you having a laugh 60000 dubs at a league final, most of them wouldnt even know that competition or if u said ur going to a league game, they would probably ask u whether ur watching united or liverpool.for d league final most people didnt go caus of d time it was on. u must realise that every county isnt like dublin where u are in d stadium in under an hour. also in kerry there is a strange weird industry called farming and d cows must be milked etc.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 13, 2007 22:50:25 GMT
I answered you about what Stevie said Mick, but you ignored it. You didnt answer any of my questions about the Kerry support. As usual, you ask loads of questions, change the question so that you can ask more but try to make it look like the same question, and avoid answering questions. This is an ongoing weakness with you Mick. What about the bandwagon Munster rugby fans Mick? Where were they when Kerry played the League final last year in Limerick, in front of a few thousand? If Dblin had been in the League final, there would have been 60,000 Mick, how do you explain that? Or would you rather that 30,000 of those stayed away? I wouldnt Mick are you having a laugh 60000 dubs at a league final, most of them wouldnt even know that competition or if u said ur going to a league game, they would probably ask u whether ur watching united or liverpool.for d league final most people didnt go caus of d time it was on. u must realise that every county isnt like dublin where u are in d stadium in under an hour. also in kerry there is a strange weird industry called farming and d cows must be milked etc. dstar, I'll assume you're a young fella or youngwan, check your history - in 91 the Dubs-Kildare League final had 56,000 and in 93 the DUbs-Donegal final had 53,000, and the replay 63,000. That was before the new stadium, which has attracted bigger crowds. Mick, the Dubs dont think they are the best, the culchies just keep up that mantra because it suits the large portion of chips on their big shoulders. We dont think about who is this or that at all, we just do what we do. You're the ones having a go, we are just defending our honour against the incredible hypocrisy and insecurity of our many guests. Why dont yis just be happy with what yis have, instead of always trying to drag somebody else down? Why would a Kerry man feel so insecure?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 13, 2007 23:23:12 GMT
whats eatin Cluxton?
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Post by ballymagash on Nov 14, 2007 1:34:23 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Cluxton. He made the boob of the year gifting Kerry with an All Ireland and getting an all star award. What's wrong with that? Keep it up I say. Maybe we will sell 1.5 million newspapers tomorrow in Dublin. You cant judge a man on one match or one boob!!! Canavan got an all star on 40 mins. play,one match. Peter the Great my ****. 2 All Ireland medals by Canavan. It would not be rated in Kerry.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 14, 2007 10:40:15 GMT
I'm not remotely interested, as I said, no more than I was in all the stuff about O'Sullivan & the "Kerry crisis" last year, nor the Hayes' article "controversy", nor Paidi's "animals insult", not in any of the hot air created for its own sake, my only interest in "controversies" is their entertainment value on dreary november days....... but for you it's obviously a big deal, so instead of constantly repeating questions why not be brave & give an opinion?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 14, 2007 16:44:10 GMT
Here is what I think...........
Cluxtons appears to suggest that the expectation of fans during the summer is too high and he seems to blame it on the fans who go only to the summer games in Croke Park.
However he goes further and labels a section of them as critics rather than fans.
Why he felt the need to say what he said is anyones guess. Perhaps the level of expectation is beginning to get to some of the players. Perhaps he personally suffered at the hands of that section that he called "critics".
I was a surprised that he came out with it and it will alienate him from a section of the fans.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 14, 2007 18:00:50 GMT
Here is what I think........... Cluxtons appears to suggest that the expectation of fans during the summer is too high and he seems to blame it on the fans who go only to the summer games in Croke Park. However he goes further and labels a section of them as critics rather than fans. Why he felt the need to say what he said is anyones guess. Perhaps the level of expectation is beginning to get to some of the players. Perhaps he personally suffered at the hands of that section that he called "critics". I was a surprised that he came out with it and it will alienate him from a section of the fans. Is that it? SUre we've already gone over all that! Sorry, dont mean to be rude, but any player would say that about a section of fans, and it's pure fodder, it mounts up to a hill of beans. Stevie doesnt really care what a section of fans says, nor do they care what he says. If it was any different, I would worry about the sanity of either.............and I dont believe in a-sanity claus! Here's what really matters, will Stevie do the business on the big days next year. I dont know, but I think he will. Will the usual idiots shout abuse? Will the hype fill a few giant balloons? Now if your point is just about how the hype & bull* affects players and teams, then it's clear, and I've said it many times, it has a big effect, but it should help as well as hinder, as should "tradition" The atmosphere for the semi this year was white hot, and in the main, as good as you could hope for. It was the kind of atmosphere that inspires great players and big-game players, and that's hwy it was a high-quality match, even in the first half, when there was alot of physicals, the quality was very high overall, IMO, the intensity from start to finish. Perhaps a semi is the best atmosphere for a classic game
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 14, 2007 18:13:52 GMT
how would you rate kieran donaghys performance in that game rashers?
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 14, 2007 19:43:48 GMT
Rashers, you do a good job at avoiding answering questions yourself....
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 15, 2007 23:51:02 GMT
how would you rate kieran donaghys performance in that game rashers? You know, I have yet to see the replay, so I've forgotten alot of detail, but here's what I recall: In the first half, he didnt get any ball. In the 2nd, he was all over the place, and very noticeable around the middle. He moved very well off the ball, and linked up and distributed very well, incredible maturity of performance really. I felt that Dublin held him quite well overall, but such was his ability to be effective in different roles, it was almost impossible to keep him from causing damage. Only a very cynical, massed defence might have done it
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 15, 2007 23:52:08 GMT
Rashers, you do a good job at avoiding answering questions yourself.... There's that talking pot again Just yours' Owen, I cant understand a word you're saying
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 16, 2007 8:37:11 GMT
you wont get an answer owen.........
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 16, 2007 9:20:38 GMT
how would you rate kieran donaghys performance in that game rashers? You know, I have yet to see the replay, so I've forgotten alot of detail, but here's what I recall: In the first half, he didnt get any ball. In the 2nd, he was all over the place, and very noticeable around the middle. He moved very well off the ball, and linked up and distributed very well, incredible maturity of performance really. I felt that Dublin held him quite well overall, but such was his ability to be effective in different roles, it was almost impossible to keep him from causing damage. Only a very cynical, massed defence might have done it as soon as dara went off............ donaghy effectively became the leader on the pitch....... in my view. I feel your pain about not having seen the video....... i cant watch the 2005 final v TYRONE .........even though it was a very good game. I tried watching it a few months ago but when I saw Donaghy coming out for the second half with the subs wearing number 25............. it was too much so I turned it off!!
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 16, 2007 9:47:56 GMT
He was right about the cousins going home & talking.Please explain Rashers. That question Rashers. Is that plain enough English for you?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 17, 2007 12:17:54 GMT
He was right about the cousins going home & talking.Please explain Rashers. That question Rashers. Is that plain enough English for you? To be very honest with you Owen, I'm only vaguely aware of that whole so-called controversy, and what was said in full, I just ignored it, to me it sounded like just another load of hot air about nothing, "cute culchies V dumb Dubs, blah blah" pure low-grade fodder for having an easy laugh, but if you really are asking a serious question , my opinion (based purely on that one short quote that you posted earlier of what Cluxton said), is that he meant that lads of other counties that play their club in Dublin have the advantage of hearing/seeing what's going on with some of the Dublin county team preparations, and can feed it back to their own county squad/coaches. Is that it, or have I missed the point altogether? If that's it, then I'm sure it's true, and what matter? I'd be doing the same if I was them, and I'd also say the same in Stevie's position. Either way, who cares, really? It's all part of the fun isnt it?
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 17, 2007 12:40:39 GMT
Too much like a conspiracy theory to me Rasher... Seriously, would I be worried about the Kerry players playing for the likes of CIT and UCC and getting the inside track on how we play football in Cork? Not at all. How club teams play and how county teams are prepared is a different ball game altogether. Also when the training sessions of both Cork and Kerry are opened to the public, there is nothing stopping anyone going to them is there?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 17, 2007 13:44:36 GMT
Too much like a conspiracy theory to me Rasher... Seriously, would I be worried about the Kerry players playing for the likes of CIT and UCC and getting the inside track on how we play football in Cork? Not at all. How club teams play and how county teams are prepared is a different ball game altogether. Also when the training sessions of both Cork and Kerry are opened to the public, there is nothing stopping anyone going to them is there? I havent a clue Owen, maybe there are discussions at club games, but I dont bother with that kind of speculation, and not meaning to be rude, but it is as you say, no big deal, so I'm assuming it was, as I said, just another bit of hot air. So why is it so important to you?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 17, 2007 14:11:20 GMT
Rashers.............Would you prefer if Mr Cluxton kept his trap shut ..........................and gave up solo runs?
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Post by Owenabue on Nov 17, 2007 14:49:48 GMT
Maybe it's about time ye gave up the us against the Culchies attitude? We're not all out to get ye like.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 17, 2007 20:34:50 GMT
just because you are paranoid doesnt mean that we are not all out to get you!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Nov 17, 2007 22:35:31 GMT
Rashers.............Would you prefer if Mr Cluxton kept his trap shut ..........................and gave up solo runs? No I wouldnt, good luck to him. Would you prefer if Mr O'Connor kept his cake-hole zipped? Owen, all of our comments are responses to the endless barrage of jingoistic remarks and begrudging attitudes that we face. Otherwise, we couldnt be bothered with thinking about what others are doing or saying, if they left us alone, we'd leave them alone. Would you not defend yourself/your football team/county Owen? What about the Cork/Kerry neurosis that "we never get a fair deal from the rest of the country"? Why was Stevie's comment such a big thing for you?
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