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Post by homerj on Sept 17, 2007 8:35:02 GMT
not got all the stats to hand, but im sure loads of people on ere will.
anyway , can the last 10 years, now be considered to be another golden era in Kerry Gaa? in 75 to 87, we won 8 all irelands, loosing 2. from 97 to 2007 we have now won 5, loosing 2.
however, considering that there are more games now and you have the armagh/tyrone factor, i think that this current era, is up there with the late 70's and 80's.
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Post by 63587614 on Sept 17, 2007 8:47:28 GMT
A definite. We are witnessing history in motion. True legends!!! I've had the priveledge to watch Maurice Fitz and Seamus Moynihan and The GENIUS that is the Gooch. These players are right up there with Micko o' Connel et al.
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Post by Piggy on Sept 17, 2007 9:07:53 GMT
Gooch is so class its hard to believe,he absolutly destroyed one of the best defenders in the game yesterday.up there with mikey sheehy,pat spillane and john egan if not better.
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Post by kaiser on Sept 17, 2007 9:38:45 GMT
I think there's quite a distance btween Kerry and the others at the moment.
Quite simply to Challenge Kerry you need to have a quality defence and 6 scoring forwards.
In 2005 Kerry started very well and matched Tyrone in many ways throughout but the Tyrone forwards were able to kick great points from distance when under pressure. Kerry have great forwards and great defenders just now but what counties are going to be able to mount a serious challenge next year?
Tyrone and Derry look the best placed from Ulster for my mind and perhaps Meath will be a step ahead in Leinster next year too. Galway will eventually be dominant in the west again but can they compete?
This is a great Kerry team. Gooch and Donaghy are superb players, Declan O'Sullivan is arriving as a true great also and at the back we are blessed with dogged man markers with pace to burn. Throw in another few good Minors from the past two seasons and there's more to come.
As Darragh O'Sé said on the Sunday game last night. We're lucky to be from Kerry really. Enjoy it while we can.
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Post by Baldy on Sept 17, 2007 9:52:44 GMT
I have posted many times here about why this bunch are well on their way to being the best bunch we have ever had. IMO they are second only to the golden years and with perhaps one or two more titles will surpass them. Gooch is 24 and played in his fifth final yesterday... amazing stuff. Declan has now lifted sam twice and is 23!! Only Murphy, Dara, Tomas and Tom from the team that started yesterday are over 28 yrs of age. No reason, if the hunger is there, why they cant win another one on the back of these two!!
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Post by 63587614 on Sept 17, 2007 10:25:45 GMT
Too right lad. I was reading comment from the Gooch that after enjoying this win, the Kerry team will set out for the Three in a row. That's some commited bunch of players we have. And only more to come in D Moran Strand Road for example. Kerry do there best talking in September. Here's to next yr again lads.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 17, 2007 13:07:09 GMT
the origional goldens years has a 12 year span,so theres one more season left here at least and maybe more, a three in a row,6 all- irelands in 12 seasons,1 draw,2 defeats by a kick of the ball and 3 doubles would certainly have to be concidered in the same breath as 8 all-ireland in 12 seasons taking into account the level of competition in the modern era especially from armagh and tyrone in this decade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 13:17:49 GMT
Another golden era? is the name of the thread. I would suggest removing the question mark because by any standards it is.
5 in 11 ranks up with 8 in 12 for me given the opposition faced.
Whatever about 5 in 11, winning 3 out of 4 is phenomenal and in my eyes as good as an achievement as winning the four in a row was
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 17, 2007 14:38:53 GMT
I've said it elsewhere on this board today.
They are giants - we are watching greatness.
By God is it a magnificant feeling.
Kerry can play it high, low, fast, slow, long ball in, handpass all the way, quick passing, possession time eating game.
You name it, this Kerry squad has it all.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 17, 2007 20:21:42 GMT
Given the "quality of opposition" faced in the current era it is an incredible achievment. There Cork kids applauding the gooch when he was puttin over those scores beside me.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 17, 2007 21:27:15 GMT
Given the "quality of opposition" faced in the current era it is an incredible achievment. There Cork kids applauding the gooch when he was puttin over those scores beside me. It wasn't Niall Cahalane's young fella was it? He was saying in the paper today that in the end his five year old son was applauding Gooch's final point!!
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 17, 2007 21:59:58 GMT
Gooch is a magician
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 17, 2007 22:13:01 GMT
Here here
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Post by islandexile on Sept 19, 2007 9:22:08 GMT
For those of us not old enough to remember the 1975-1986 golden years.....this current team is the team we will talk to our grandchildren about with nostalgic tears in our eyes
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Post by homerj on Sept 19, 2007 9:30:07 GMT
how good were those guys back in the late 70's and earaly to mid 80's? i wasn born when these lads were in their prime, so i really can only comment on what i have heard and what i have seen on TV. cant anybody on here rate that team against this team? i think there was a comment on the sunday game that 4 or 5 of the current team would make that team, surely more than that would want to make it?
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Post by ticketless on Sept 19, 2007 10:00:24 GMT
how good were those guys back in the late 70's and earaly to mid 80's? i wasn born when these lads were in their prime, so i really can only comment on what i have heard and what i have seen on TV. cant anybody on here rate that team against this team? i think there was a comment on the sunday game that 4 or 5 of the current team would make that team, surely more than that would want to make it? I would defintely think the following would make the Golden Years team: D. Murphy. Tomas, Mark and Darragh. Paul Galvin, Gooch, Aidan O' Mahony, Killiian Young, Sean O' Sullivan, Mike Frank & Star,
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 19, 2007 10:10:45 GMT
Here's my best Kerry team over the last 30 years.
1. Charlie Nelligan 2. Marc O Se 3. John O Keeffe 4. Mike McCarthy 5. Paidi O Se 6. Seamus Moynihan 7. Tomas O Se 8. Darragh O Se 9. Jack O Shea 10.Ger Power 11.Maurice Fitzgerald 12.Pat Spillane 13.Mikey Sheehy 14.Colm Cooper 15.John Egan
My apologies to great men like Lynch,O Keeffe,Kennelly,Moran and the Bomber
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Post by bob567 on Sept 19, 2007 10:14:36 GMT
def another golden era up there with the best
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Post by watchdehop on Sept 19, 2007 11:13:56 GMT
In what other county would a guy like Maurice Fitz walk off the stage in 2001 and then have a guy like Gooch come in the following year?
Lads we are watching history.
Look at the torch passing that went on: Sheehy to Maurice Fitz to Gooch Midfield O'Connell to Jacko to Darragh Seamus to Killian Young etc And to think that Ogies and Seanie Walshs sons are just about to break through in the next few years!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 11:16:19 GMT
how good were those guys back in the late 70's and earaly to mid 80's? i wasn born when these lads were in their prime, so i really can only comment on what i have heard and what i have seen on TV. cant anybody on here rate that team against this team? i think there was a comment on the sunday game that 4 or 5 of the current team would make that team, surely more than that would want to make it? I would defintely think the following would make the Golden Years team: D. Murphy. Tomas, Mark and Darragh. Paul Galvin, Gooch, Aidan O' Mahony, Killiian Young, Sean O' Sullivan, Mike Frank & Star, Are you for real? All those players would make the starting 15 for the golden years team? A couple of those players are unable to make the current team.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 19, 2007 11:47:57 GMT
The definites: Seamus Moynihan Darragh Ó Sé Maurice Fitzgerald Colm Cooper
The probables: Marc Ó Sé Tomás Ó Sé Paul Galvin
The "not quite yet, but young enough to prove worthy of that team in the next few years": Killian Young Declan O'Sullivan Kieran Donaghy
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 19, 2007 12:11:31 GMT
Best kerry team '75
charlie Neligan.
paidi se,john o keeffe,seanie walshe.
seamus moynihan,tim kennelly,oige moran.
jacko shea,darragh o se.
john egan,maurice fitz,pat spillane.
mickie sheehy,eoin liston,colm copper.
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Post by homerj on Sept 19, 2007 12:27:48 GMT
only 2 of the current team kerrygold?!
id say when the dust settles on alot of these lads careers and we go to pick a best kerry team of the last 50 years around 2020, the likes of Marc, tomas, darragh, moynihan ,gooch, star and russell wont be far off it. Fitzie will be in there too. if diarmuid murphy stays for another 3 years, then he may surpass charlie nelligan also.
one thing to remember lads, circa 1998-2002, mike frank was the best overall forward in the country from open play, especially in 98, 2002 and 2002. he was a joy to watch. 5 all irelands and he still is only 29.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 19, 2007 13:24:07 GMT
only 2 of the current team kerrygold?! id say when the dust settles on alot of these lads careers and we go to pick a best kerry team of the last 50 years around 2020, the likes of Marc, tomas, darragh, moynihan ,gooch, star and russell wont be far off it. Fitzie will be in there too. if diarmuid murphy stays for another 3 years, then he may surpass charlie nelligan also. one thing to remember lads, circa 1998-2002, mike frank was the best overall forward in the country from open play, especially in 98, 2002 and 2002. he was a joy to watch. 5 all irelands and he still is only 29. ya,the last time i picked this team at the start of '05 seamus and maurice were the only two i had on it,you'd have include darragh and colm now.I had paidi lynch corner back then with oige on the forty and ger power wing back. leaving out power is hard,he won 8 eight all-ireland medals on three different lines in a career spanning '73 to '86,its proberly wrong to leave him out but colm possibly has more potential to change the course of a game,how could you leave out oige,8 medals on the forty,paidi lynch played championship football at centre forward,midfield wing and corner back for kerry,egan was possibly the deadliest of them all in front of the goal.Seanie walshe played fullforward,midfield and effortlessly moved to full back to win a three in a row,you couldnt leave him either. this present kerry team are still on a journey not yet finished,another few will force themselves into the reconing also in time,maybe if they had beaten armagh and tyrone they might be there now,hard to tell.plenty to play for still. tomas,marc,declan,kieran,killian,aidan,galvin etc will be strong condenders in time.
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Post by lessbull on Sept 19, 2007 14:37:23 GMT
In an effort to see how this team compares with previous Kerry teams I have been browsing the roll of honour. This year's team are only the 4th Kerry team to appear in 4 consecutive All-Ireland finals.
The first Kerry team to accomplish this feat was the 1929-1932 team which won 4 in a row. They did this by beating Kildare by 3 pts, Monaghan by 18, Kildare again by 6 and Mayo by 3.
The 1937-1941 team went one better by appearing in 5 consecutive finals, winning 4. That team beat Cavan by 6 after a replay, then lost to Galway by 3 after a replay and then won 3 in a row by beating Meath by 2, Galway by 1 and Galway again by 4.
The team of 1978-1982 also appeared in 5 finals in a row, beating Dublin by 17, Dublin again by 11, Roscommon by 3 and Offaly by 7 before losing to Offaly by 1 in 1982.
If you allow for gaps of no more than 1 year between final appearances and consider that the current team has appeared in 6 finals in 8 years and won 4, only the following teams have been more succesful:
From 1923-1932 Kerry appeared in 8 finals in 10 years, winning 6.
From 1975-1986 Kerry appeared in 10 finals in 12 years, winning 8.
Yes, I think this is one of the greatest Kerry teams of all time and given the age profile of the team, who knows what they may go on to achieve?
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Post by Aine on Sept 19, 2007 15:12:31 GMT
How about a platinum era!
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Post by kerryeye on Sept 19, 2007 16:19:28 GMT
How about we re title this thread 97-20??. Who knows when its goin to end,it certainly wont be 2007 anyway.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 19, 2007 18:14:06 GMT
Diamond years, carat unknown!!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 19, 2007 19:11:43 GMT
next year will be the diamond delema,this year we had 9 forwards to keep happy,next year david moran,paddy curran,tommy walshe,barry john walshe,paul o connor,kieran o leary will all be snapping at the heels,it will be like having a whole pack of dogs sitting around the kitchen table at dinner time with sad eyes looking up waiting for the tib tabs to fall to the ground.
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Post by JOAN on Sept 19, 2007 19:22:40 GMT
agree with Kerrygold we though it was hard this year there was so many forward to keep happy... Ah but this is all good growing pains for managment
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