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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 19:37:51 GMT
I always understood that Legion was a suberb of the town with Crokes being the town team. Would I be right in thinking that Legion's catchment starts around near Lidl and goes out towards Aghadoe... Is Aghadoe part of the catchment area of Spa? The Cleeny roundabout there would be were the Lynes of Cleeny hailed from but beyond that that it wouldnt be especially a strong Legion area. I always thought that legion got players from all over Killarney. |
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 8, 2015 19:53:25 GMT
county championship now going ahead on 22nd, we would not be in this position if the standard of refereeing today was up to standard, what Seamus Mulvihill did today and Joy from killorglin cost south Kerry. It motivates Sputh Kerry even more when theese likes are against you to win the replay! Safe to say Mulvihill won't be asked to ref Sk championship this year! Mulvihill always seems to be the centre of attention; similar unsatisfactory ending to Legion /Rahillys club championship game in April- tied @1-13 each Legions final shot @ goal was deemed good despite plenty of observers behind the goal deeming shot was well wide. Mulvihill was the man in the middle when same sides met in the league the previous week and also refereed their clash in 2014 when they met in the club championship - he seems to be never far away from some controversy. |
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Post by shaggy04 on Nov 8, 2015 19:57:35 GMT
What happened to 'midweek under lights' not enough capacity at mitchels or crokes,not enough euros?
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Post by ahladscomeon on Nov 8, 2015 20:05:54 GMT
I love to know what was going through Sean Joy's head as John Sugrue went up to him to plead with him to contribute or refet to Seamus Mulvihil after Conor Keane's free which was yards away from him and he had as good an angle as any. I have to say it looked tight but if in doubt you can't give the score. Honestly did he think getting Mulvihil to send Sugrue to the stands was the best thing after the amount of work he has put in over the year. It was a laughable contribution from him really. It's amazing the poor standard around the county, I know it's not an easy job but a lot of refs don't seem to care what results from their decisions and that isn't good enough when you have players, management and fans giving everything and it so frustrating to see this happeening at all levels.
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Post by baurtregaum on Nov 8, 2015 20:12:46 GMT
All this links back to the thread about the county league set up this year.
Of us here have played club football, Most years for me this involved doing heavy training from late January until March, first game around then. A few County league games and maybe a championship game before the leaving cert. So far so good. The problem is after the leaving cert when Kerry make the munster final the year is paused.
99% of players are held hostage by the 1% who play intercounty.
Semis and finals should be the only games left to be played once Kerry exit the championship. But I'm dreaming here of course. Football is a summer game but too few games are played before October.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 8, 2015 20:18:28 GMT
Would feel very annoyed if I was a South Kerry supporter tonight. A game of low standard (South Kerry could not score from play in first half and Legion were nearly as bad in the second) in good conditions has the referee as the main talking point.
Conor Keane free in the second half looked to be wide to everybody (including Legion fans around me) but was given, the free itself was of the soft variety to begin with. This decision raised the temperature of the game. Ref then played much more injury time than indicated with Legion missing one chance before scoring with the final kick of the game.
In reality a draw was not a bad result basd on the overall game but the referee had too much influence on the outcome for my liking.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 8, 2015 20:44:19 GMT
Would feel very annoyed if I was a South Kerry supporter tonight. A game of low standard (South Kerry could not score from play in first half and Legion were nearly as bad in the second) in good conditions has the referee as the main talking point. Conor Keane free in the second half looked to be wide to everybody (including Legion fans around me) but was given, the free itself was of the soft variety to begin with. This decision raised the temperature of the game. Ref then played much more injury time than indicated with Legion missing one chance before scoring with the final kick of the game. In reality a draw was not a bad result basd on the overall game but the referee had too much influence on the outcome for my liking. South Kerry were unbelievably fortunate to have 4 points on the board at half-time given how poorly they played (after the ref gave the black to Wharton the ref gave everything to South Kerry including some very soft decisions) and that Legion only had 7 on the board given how much of the ball and general play Legion had in the first half. With a different ref the half-time scoreline could easily have been Legion 9 South Kerry 2 Neither side did enough today to deserve to win it imo. Legion in the second half looked an inexperienced side who got afraid of the winning line. Tony Leen of the examiner saying he expects it will be Dingle playing Nemo next weekend on Twitter. With the Geaneys both out it would be a serious ask for Dingle - Bit of a West Kerry local derby for a Munster game with Tomas lining out for Nemo if it is Dingle. |
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Post by Cornelius on Nov 8, 2015 21:02:30 GMT
Thought some of the booing/jeering from South Kerry supporters was bordering idiotic at stages in both first and second half. Not just for dead balls but during individual passages of play/possessions.
Something I've never witnessed at a County Championship match in recent memory, and was very disappointed with.
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Post by 6 in a row on Nov 8, 2015 21:27:52 GMT
Well said
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Post by leeside on Nov 8, 2015 21:38:11 GMT
Sure we have to do it all again in two weeks time.
Very cynical remark towards South Kerry people.Aren't we all one
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Post by AnygivenSunday on Nov 8, 2015 21:46:03 GMT
The way ye are all talking is like he handed the bishop to one team. Fact is neither team were great today and have to go at it again, and at LEAST they BOTH have a chance again. Now it's up to one of them to prove there worthy county champs and step up and stop hiding behind the referee, He's human and no matter what way a referee makes a decision someone somewhere will not like it.
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Post by 6 in a row on Nov 8, 2015 22:01:23 GMT
All the people on this forum are highly knowledgeable people who know alot about the game. Totally unfair comment.
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Post by madforfootball on Nov 8, 2015 22:05:52 GMT
New to this forum , was at game today as a Netural and I do agree wit "at least 2mins" but the line ball given to Legion that resulted in the point was very questionable. But overall the game was poor draw was fair result and the referee had a very poor day but his only human like us all.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 8, 2015 22:06:14 GMT
I always understood that Legion was a suberb of the town with Crokes being the town team. Would I be right in thinking that Legion's catchment starts around near Lidl and goes out towards Aghadoe... Is Aghadoe part of the catchment area of Spa? Crokes and Legion wouldn't really have any particular patch of the town where they would by stronger - you would have many Legion and Crokes folk living side-by-side - Spa would tend to be that bit stronger out the Spa & Muckross areas ; basically heading out to Cork and Kenmare. Family history depends to be the key factor. Aghadoe would be Kilcummin or parts of it would stray into Fossa but Kilcummin is a fairly big sized parish geographically. Legion definitely would have less of a pick compared to Crokes - all though they have been doing better at underage of late by all accounts.
I don't know if Legion have been doing better that Crokes at underage level of late but the following is taken from their website and it indicates a strong underage effort for a decade and I sincerely hope that it is rewarded with a senior county title. Such effort deserves it. Legion's U14 team represented Kerry in the Feile competition of 2006 held in Wicklow and again in 2009 held in Kildare. Also the minor teams(U18) have reached three county finals in a row since 2007, winning two. The club won the Under 21 Club Chamoionship in 2011 and 2012.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 8, 2015 22:19:16 GMT
Crokes and Legion wouldn't really have any particular patch of the town where they would by stronger - you would have many Legion and Crokes folk living side-by-side - Spa would tend to be that bit stronger out the Spa & Muckross areas ; basically heading out to Cork and Kenmare. Family history depends to be the key factor. Aghadoe would be Kilcummin or parts of it would stray into Fossa but Kilcummin is a fairly big sized parish geographically. Legion definitely would have less of a pick compared to Crokes - all though they have been doing better at underage of late by all accounts.
I don't know if Legion have been doing better that Crokes at underage level of late but the following is taken from their website and it indicates a strong underage effort for a decade and I sincerely hope that it is rewarded with a senior county title. Such effort deserves it. Legion's U14 team represented Kerry in the Feile competition of 2006 held in Wicklow and again in 2009 held in Kildare. Also the minor teams(U18) have reached three county finals in a row since 2007, winning two. The club won the Under 21 Club Chamoionship in 2011 and 2012.
Wasn't saying they were doing better results wise than Crokes at underage - was saying they have improved the whole underage setup from where it was a a decade or more back - for a while there the Legion underage setup was in pretty poor shape according to Legion folk. In terms of figuring out where the Legion is strong if you drive around Killarney the last few days (will still be up during next week I'd imagine) there are a fair few houses sporting green-and white flags and it seems to be spread all over. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 22:37:09 GMT
South Kerry were the better team in the second half but a draw was probably a fair result but the ref was a joke. He was playing for a draw which is really unfair on South Kerry. Should have blown up long before Jamie o sullivans point. Legion were better than Crokes at u14 level this year but Crokes were better at u16 and Minor level. Both Crokes and Legion pick from all over the Town. It depends usually on who your family are connected with. Spa are more on the outskirts of the town.
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Post by watchdebreakswillye on Nov 8, 2015 22:37:40 GMT
The two teams listed on today's excellent programme were as follows:
Legion: Brian Kellys, Padraig O Connor, Danny Sheahan, Chris Davis, Jonathan Lyne, Damien O Sullivan, Darragh O Doherty, Shaun Keane, Jamie O Sullivan, Billy McGuire, James O Donoghue, Kevin Breen, Tom Moriarty, David O Sullivan, Conor Keane. Subs: KJ Griffin, Eoin Carroll, Tom Slattery, Andy O Sullivan, Cathal Sheahan, Padraig Lucey, Denis Sheahan, Derek Twomey, David McCarthy, Bryan Griffin, Kyle Griffin, Jack O Neill, Donal Lyne, Sean McCarthy, Alan Moriarty.
South Kerry: Brian O Connor (Valentia), Brian Sugrue (Renard), Killian Young (Renard), Paul O Sullivan (Valentia), Padraig O Sullivan (Dromid Pearses), Bernard Walsh (Skellig Rangers), Robert Wharton (Renard), Bryan Sheehan (St Mary's), Brendan O Sullivan (Valentia), Paul O Connor (Valentia), Denis Daly ((St Mary's), Aidan Walsh (St Mary's), Ian Galvin (Sneem / Derrynane), Paul O Donoghue (St Mary's), Conor O Shea (St Mary's). Subs: Ciaran Dennehy (Waterville), Chris Farley ((Dromid), Daniel Daly (St Mary's), Greg Gibson (Waterville), Oran Clifford (Waterville), Aidan 'Shine' O Sullivan (Dromid), Declan O Sullivan (Dromid), Dominic O Sullivan (Dromid), Dylan O Donoghue (Dromid), Kevin Curran (Renard), Ronan O Shea (Skellig Rangers), Brian O Sullivan (Renard), Conor Quirke (St Mary's), Mark Sugrue (Renard), Graham O Sullivan (Dromid).
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 8, 2015 22:38:52 GMT
I agree that trying to meet the provincial fictures at this stage is impossible but one thing I think that could give room to maneuver is playing the provincial final in January. The All-Ireland finals for clubs are in March so there is an opportunity to have provincial final in January, semi-final in February and final in March. This is a practical solution but they do not always use common sense in these situations.
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Post by mossie on Nov 9, 2015 0:07:35 GMT
I always understood that Legion was a suberb of the town with Crokes being the town team. Would I be right in thinking that Legion's catchment starts around near Lidl and goes out towards Aghadoe... Is Aghadoe part of the catchment area of Spa? The Cleeny roundabout there would be were the Lynes of Cleeny hailed from but beyond that that it wouldnt be especially a strong Legion area. The Lynes of cleeney synonymous with Legion. Is the Lyne family farm still farmed on the outskirts of the town? |
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Post by mossie on Nov 9, 2015 0:10:18 GMT
Kerrygold, the booming town of Killarney comprises of Three clubs, Dr. crokes , Legion and Spa with Dr. crokes garnering the majority of the town support so your team pick does not stand up and I imagine south Kerry have actually a bigger pick than Legion and this is coming from a Crokes supporter. I always understood that Legion was a suberb of the town with Crokes being the town team. Would I be right in thinking that Legion's catchment starts around near Lidl and goes out towards Aghadoe... Is Aghadoe part of the catchment area of Spa? Legion just as much a town team as crokes. Killarney is odd GAA wise. One neighbour could be Crokes and next door Legion! GAA very strong in Killarney now |
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 9, 2015 1:34:37 GMT
Having travelled down from Dublin for this I felt a bit short-changed. Poor game. South Kerry very defensive. Nobody prepared to take a chance in second half. Legion scored some nice long range efforts in first half and Sheehan landed two bombs from open play too. He did little else from play except get involved in shoving matches. Legion far better in first half but faded out in second half and very lucky to get a second chance in the end.
As for the Junior game, I thought Glengeigh/Glencar were dreadful.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 9, 2015 8:26:45 GMT
I always understood that Legion was a suberb of the town with Crokes being the town team. Would I be right in thinking that Legion's catchment starts around near Lidl and goes out towards Aghadoe... Is Aghadoe part of the catchment area of Spa? Legion just as much a town team as crokes. Killarney is odd GAA wise. One neighbour could be Crokes and next door Legion! GAA very strong in Killarney now Spot on mossie, the dogs on the street in Killareny know there are no club boundaries in the town. |
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 9, 2015 8:37:28 GMT
Championship win taken from South Kerry by poor officials on the day. Conor Keane knew that free kick was wide, his body language said as much. People in the stand knew it, the linesman must have seen it also. Four minutes of extra time was bizarre. It looks very like that the ref played for a draw that has created a fixtures mess. Disappointing way to end a county final.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 9, 2015 8:41:04 GMT
The two teams listed on today's excellent programme were as follows: Legion: Brian Kellys, Padraig O Connor, Danny Sheahan, Chris Davis, Jonathan Lyne, Damien O Sullivan, Darragh O Doherty, Shaun Keane, Jamie O Sullivan, Billy McGuire, James O Donoghue, Kevin Breen, Tom Moriarty, David O Sullivan, Conor Keane. Subs: KJ Griffin, Eoin Carroll, Tom Slattery, Andy O Sullivan, Cathal Sheahan, Padraig Lucey, Denis Sheahan, Derek Twomey, David McCarthy, Bryan Griffin, Kyle Griffin, Jack O Neill, Donal Lyne, Sean McCarthy, Alan Moriarty. South Kerry: Brian O Connor (Valentia), Brian Sugrue (Renard), Killian Young (Renard), Paul O Sullivan (Valentia), Padraig O Sullivan (Dromid Pearses), Bernard Walsh (Skellig Rangers), Robert Wharton (Renard), Bryan Sheehan (St Mary's), Brendan O Sullivan (Valentia), Paul O Connor (Valentia), Denis Daly ((St Mary's), Aidan Walsh (St Mary's), Ian Galvin (Sneem / Derrynane), Paul O Donoghue (St Mary's), Conor O Shea (St Mary's). Subs: Ciaran Dennehy (Waterville), Chris Farley ((Dromid), Daniel Daly (St Mary's), Greg Gibson (Waterville), Oran Clifford (Waterville), Aidan 'Shine' O Sullivan (Dromid), Declan O Sullivan (Dromid), Dominic O Sullivan (Dromid), Dylan O Donoghue (Dromid), Kevin Curran (Renard), Ronan O Shea (Skellig Rangers), Brian O Sullivan (Renard), Conor Quirke (St Mary's), Mark Sugrue (Renard), Graham O Sullivan (Dromid). A team back boned by the smaller clubs in south Kerry. Good to see players coming through from Valentia and Renard again and making a difference. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 9, 2015 9:17:43 GMT
Was there any injuries or subs in the additional time that would have accounted where the additional few mins came from?
Just playing devils advocate we are always harping on about (especially in the inter county) that the ref always just plays what's on the fourth officials board regardless of any stoppages that occur in additional time.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 9, 2015 9:29:14 GMT
Was there any injuries or subs in the additional time that would have accounted where the additional few mins came from? Just playing devils advocate we are always harping on about (especially in the inter county) that the ref always just plays what's on the fourth officials board regardless of any stoppages that occur in additional time. Killarney Legion - B Kelly; C Davies, Danny Sheahan, P O'Connor; D O'Doherty, Damien O'Sullivan, J Lyne; S Keane, J O'Sullivan; B McGuire, K Breen, D Lyne; T Moriarty, J O'Donoghue, C Keane. Subs: P Lucey for McGuire (46), Denis Sheehan for Breen (46), David O'Sullivan for Moriarty (51), J O'Neill for S Keane (56), C Sheahan for D Lyne (61). South Kerry - B O'Connor (Valentia); Paul O'Sullivan (Valentia), K Young (Renard), B Sugrue (Renard); Padraig O'Sullivan (Dromid), B Walsh (Skellig Rangers), R Wharton (Renard); B Sheehan (St Mary's), B O'Sullivan (Valentia); A Walsh (St Mary's), D Daly (St Mary's), P O'Connor (Valentia); I Galvin (Sneem/Derrynane), P O'Donoghue (St Mary's), C O'Shea (St Mary's). Subs: C Farley (Dromid) for Wharton (BC,7), D O'Sullivan (Dromid) for B O'Sullivan (39), D O'Donoghue (Dromid) for Galvin (54), G Gibson (Waterville) for B O'Sullivan (56). |
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Post by brigid on Nov 9, 2015 10:33:54 GMT
I wasn't at the game. Just listening to it on Kerry Radio. Seems like that the ref was not bad, he was just awful. But don't blame the ref like in the Rugby World cup, just blame the clowns that choose him. Kerry are looking stupid today, always complaining about inter-county refs, yet they cannot find a ref (or linesmen) capable of handling their county final. Perhaps they should get a Munster Inter county ref and officials. It is little wonder that Donnchda Walsh said on Radio on Saturday that a lot of refs (and it looked like he was referring to Kerry refs) didn't know how to use Black cards, look like at least one cannot keep time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 10:47:26 GMT
A lot of the fixture mess could be avoided by having extra time after replays.
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Post by playitfair on Nov 9, 2015 11:23:32 GMT
In fairness to the Kerry County Board, this year seems to be one of the first where they have had such a clutter at year end, of course it needs to be improved on but give them some credit for prior years.
Separately why do people always feels the need to berate the ref. Of course they make mistakes but hell we all all do.
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Post by madforsam on Nov 9, 2015 11:34:39 GMT
Thought some of the booing/jeering from South Kerry supporters was bordering idiotic at stages in both first and second half. Not just for dead balls but during individual passages of play/possessions. Something I've never witnessed at a County Championship match in recent memory, and was very disappointed with. I couldn't hear no booing during the game only maybe when john Sugrue was sent to the stand by a linesman Sean joy who throughout the years has screwed south kerry teams, and this is an issue that will be braight to the county board by our district chairman because it is a mutual feeling between clubs! Two decisions he made one Podge O Connor was out over the line directly infront of him and Conor Keanes point! I believe the booing of Seamus Mulvihill at the end in somewhat was a little less than what he deserved he cost South Kerry a team who have been training all year round who have put in such a massive effort and it is very annoying when Joy and the likes are doing everything in power to stop you! Seamus Mulvihill should have blown it and I think he realised that also |
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