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Post by kerryman on Sept 10, 2007 12:47:19 GMT
I was going to post this under the normal match thread, but at 22 pages it'll get lost. Admin, feel free to drag it in there.
Which pairing do ye think will be the best at the weekend? For sheer fire, history and hype, I'd have to say Galvin Vs. O'Leary. O'Leary is a better player than I thought he was, and Galvin is below par. The only thing sure about it is a minimum of a yellow card each, if not more.
Alternatives (depending on team selection obviously) Cussen V Tom Sullivan Donaghy Vs Canty Spillane Vs Brosnan (now that Brosnan played well against Dublin) Marc Vs Donnchadh O'Connor Daragh Vs Nic Murphy Tom Sé Vs Kevin McMahon - these 2 boyos are in flying form Morgan Vs O Sé (fiery cute-hooredness versus cool-calm and collected). Marc O'Sé vs maybe Masters?
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 10, 2007 13:04:34 GMT
itll be interesting to see who marc ó sé picks up, whether its masters or o'connor, if masters starts. also i dont think canty will be in a direct clash with donaghy. i'd expect him to pick up the gooch, and if he does then that will be a clash for the ages. the best forward in football going toe to toe with the best defender.
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Post by animal on Sept 10, 2007 13:34:54 GMT
itll be interesting to see who marc ó sé picks up, whether its masters or o'connor, if masters starts. also i dont think canty will be in a direct clash with donaghy. i'd expect him to pick up the gooch, and if he does then that will be a clash for the ages. the best forward in football going toe to toe with the best defender. Very possible. They switched Canty onto Gooch as soon as he started turning it on in the Munster final
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Post by seamus on Sept 10, 2007 13:37:22 GMT
I agree. Canty will pick up Gooch and Shields will pick up Star.
The Marc question is an interesting one. It all depends on how Cork line out their forward line. Goulding strikes me as a player who can only play 13. Where does that leave Masters? I am still not convinced that Masters and Goulding can play on the same team (both are lazy in terms of tackling and work rate around the park and are natural inside forwards). I fancy Marc to take up whichever one of them plays 13. If one of them is on the wing then Killian Young is a superb man marker and will give nothing away.
The big problem for me is Reidy on Donncha O'Connor who gave him plenty in Killarney.
I think we will not see Masters and Goulding on the pitch together. One of them will be on the bench. If Goulding starts then Reidy will pick him up and Marc will take Donncha.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 10, 2007 13:46:33 GMT
I agree. Canty will pick up Gooch and Shields will pick up Star. The Marc question is an interesting one. It all depends on how Cork line out their forward line. Goulding strikes me as a player who can only play 13. Where does that leave Masters? I am still not convinced that Masters and Goulding can play on the same team (both are lazy in terms of tackling and work rate around the park and are natural inside forwards). I fancy Marc to take up whichever one of them plays 13. If one of them is on the wing then Killian Young is a superb man marker and will give nothing away. The big problem for me is Reidy on Donncha O'Connor who gave him plenty in Killarney. I think we will not see Masters and Goulding on the pitch together. One of them will be on the bench. If Goulding starts then Reidy will pick him up and Marc will take Donncha. Perhaps you right, but I'm sure Padraig Reidy is well aware of what happened in the Munster final and I'm sure he will want to put that right. This could be set up perfectly for him to make a real mark on this years championship. He's got great pace and the Dublin game will give him a huge confidence boost.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 10, 2007 13:55:37 GMT
I just wonder how Cork will cope with our half forward line. Presuming that O Leary will pick up Galvin, what will Billy do about Declan and Brosnan if Declan plays on the 40. I bet he wont be happy with the idea of Ger Spillane marking Declan, especially given the way Declan ran the 04 & 06 finals when being marked by a similar player in Nallen. I also think that Brosnan could do damage from the wing with either Lynch or Miskella struggling to match his power and pace and runs off the ball.
If Cussen decides to play around the centre of the field then I'd hope that Tom Sullivan would be left in the full back line, either as an extra back, or perhaps putting Reidy on the wing and let Tom Se play around the middle of the park and see if Cussen will be able to stop him on his trademark runs.
In other words I'd leave Cork worry about us rather that get bogged down and the ifs and buts regarding their forward line. I think our backs showed against Dublin that they are all comfortable in any of the 6 back positions and wont be fazed by playing away from the selected position.
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Post by seamus on Sept 10, 2007 14:15:14 GMT
Good point Buck. If Cussens comes out it would make sense to let Tomas off the leash. No point in Tom Sullivan being the extra back,and it does not suit him and he is our 2nd best marker after Marc. Put him tight and release Tomas, Aidan or Killian.
Agree that we should let them worry about us. Lynch's injury has seriously disrupted them. Do they move Miskella back and bring in Masters or Conor McCarthy (love to see him playing). Sexton and Cadogen are the other options and Cadogen is unproven.
I reckon Declan will play 11 to go at Spillane and Brosnan will get serious joy out of either Miskella, Sexton, Oleary or Cadogen.
Cork are in an akward place right now with Lynch's injury and Kerry should focus on getting our game right. If so their weaknesses will be exposed. In my view their weaknesses are:
Kieran O'Connor - never played well against us and they will be terrified of leaving the gooch on him again. Shields- same story Wing back - Lynch's replacement is there to be taken
Wingforward - whether it is miskella or McCarthy or Gould then we have an advantage there.
We have ruthlessly exposed smaller weaknesses in '04 and '06.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 10, 2007 14:27:56 GMT
Good points seamus. It looks like it will be simple case of moving Miskella back to his original championship position of wing back and bringing Masters back in. Where he plays is another question. He would probably be best suited on the wing. In saying that though one has too look at your earlier point that he is lazy and it's doubtful he will get involved in the skirmish around midfield (Particularly with his jaw being so fragile).
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Post by Piggy on Sept 10, 2007 14:28:17 GMT
Galvin will have a stormer in the final and we will need him at his best because there will be alot of breaking ball in the center of the field.i know O Leary had a good game in the semi final but id still think Galvin is a much better footballer.
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Post by animal on Sept 10, 2007 15:14:11 GMT
I thought Miskella did very well in the 2nd half of the munster final when he came on. He gathered up a huge amount of ball in the backs.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 10, 2007 15:59:46 GMT
cork will be disrupting three of their lines from the last day if they bring miskella back(thats if lynch is out) and they bring masters in at corner forward.
we should concentrate on our own game,hopefully we have learned from '05 to trust our own game and let others worry about us.
the buzz words for me this week are being ruthless,focused,doing our own thing,trusting our own players and trusting kerry football to te hilt and keeping the faith.
for me i feel we will be looking for 4 of our forwards to peak on the day,declan,galvin,gooch and kieran with brosnan and sheehan being very solid.
tommy walsh said after the hurling final,if you have heart and commitment you wont be found wanting,
jacko's attitude to the game was when he played,he was there to do his own thing it was up to someone else to mark him,not the other way around.
i think we should be concentrating on playing our own game to the highest level we can on sunday and see what happens. o connor is the danger man for me,tom sull would relish that particular challenge i'd say.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 10, 2007 22:21:57 GMT
Lets have a look at all the major match ups..it has been scarily right so far with a prediction of a 3 point win for Kerry in the munster final and a 2 point win for kerry vs dublin!!
Its only a rough look over the pairings and I have not exactly analysed each pairing in too much detail. Just giving my gut instinct!
Cork Kerry Advantage
1 Quirke (ammended) vs D Murphy -------------- Kerry
2 M Shields, vs Gooch ------------------Kerry 3 G Canty, vs Donaghy ---------------- Cork 4 K O'Connor, vs Russell/Sheehan --- Draw
5 N O'Leary, vs Galvin ------- -------- Kerry 6 G Spillane, vs E Brosnan -------------Cork 7 Miskella, vs D O Sullivan ---------------Kerry
8 D Kavanagh, vs Scanlon ------------Cork 9 N Murphy, vs Dara Se -----------------Draw
10 J Masters, vs K Young ------------ Draw 11 P O'Neill, vs A O Mahoney --------- Draw 12 K McMahon, vs Tomas Se ----------- Kerry
13 Goulding, vs Marc -------------------- Kerry 14 M Cussen, vs Tom Sullivan -------- Cork 15 D O'Connor. vs Reidy -------------- Cork
Overall Kerry 6 Cork 5 Draw 4
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 10, 2007 22:58:47 GMT
Walter, Quirke will be in for Paddy O' Shea. Advantage Cork there I would think....
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Post by KevinT on Sept 11, 2007 5:13:49 GMT
I would call Quirke and Murphy a draw..........................also Canty v Donaghy .....Donaghy Masters v Young.......Young
Kerry 7 Cork 4 Draw 4
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 11, 2007 8:08:45 GMT
I would call Quirke and Murphy a draw..........................also Canty v Donaghy .....Donaghy Masters v Young.......Young Kerry 7 Cork 4 Draw 4 quirke is a better keeper than murphy. also, canty wont be on donaghy, and even if he was if anyone was to edge that battle it would be canty.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 11, 2007 10:07:22 GMT
looks like canty on the gooch for me with the gooch to win that battle
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Post by bigbelly on Sept 11, 2007 10:22:20 GMT
we could end up having star and cussen marking each other directly if they both come out the pitch, what a laugh....
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Post by kerryman on Sept 11, 2007 12:25:18 GMT
we could end up having star and cussen marking each other directly if they both come out the pitch, what a laugh.... If its a foggy day, all we'll see is they're socks. In the duels above, I'd call McMahon/Tom Se a draw and think that O Leary on current form will match Galvin. If Gooch scores < 4 points from play then he's lost the duel. I do think Sheehan (if he's playing) will give Kieran O'Connor a torrid time.
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Post by ArthurG on Sept 11, 2007 13:09:18 GMT
Canty is a tough operator and I was impressed at his speed, fitness and strength against Meath. Gooch on the other hand hasn't really performed up his high standards for Kerry for at least 2 years. He didn't touch the ball for the first 20 mins against Dub (I know he performed well after but he used to score a lot more in the past). On this evidence Canty should win this duel, but something in my bones tells me Gooch will be man of the match next Sunday.....
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 11, 2007 13:19:16 GMT
Gooch or kieran for MOTM i feel,with both sticking one each in the onion sack.
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Post by watchdehop on Sept 11, 2007 13:29:06 GMT
Canty is a tough operator and I was impressed at his speed, fitness and strength against Meath. Gooch on the other hand hasn't really performed up his high standards for Kerry for at least 2 years. He didn't touch the ball for the first 20 mins against Dub (I know he performed well after but he used to score a lot more in the past). On this evidence Canty should win this duel, but something in my bones tells me Gooch will be man of the match next Sunday..... Gooch had his best game in a while against Dublin I thought. The reason he didn't touch the ball in the first 25 minutes that day was the ball did not come his way...Once it came his way he destroyed the Dubs!! Canty is a good player and there won't be much between them if he marks Gooch. It will however suit Kerry to have Canty out of the centre.
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Post by watchdehop on Sept 11, 2007 13:30:02 GMT
What about this for a duel:
In the Sunday Tribune: It will be Liam Hayes against Reality!!
Based on past performances Reality doesn't have a chance!!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 11, 2007 14:26:24 GMT
we could end up having star and cussen marking each other directly if they both come out the pitch, what a laugh.... If Gooch scores < 4 points from play then he's lost the duel. Thats a little strange considering he scored less than 4 against Dublin and he easily won his duel.
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Post by Piggy on Sept 11, 2007 15:21:43 GMT
gooch was unbelievable against dublin.cant believe kerry supporters think he hasnt got what it takes to take any back to the cleaners.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 11, 2007 16:08:27 GMT
gooch was unbelievable against dublin.cant believe kerry supporters think he hasnt got what it takes to take any back to the cleaners. Graham Canty ain t just any back...he is one of, if not the best defender in the country based on performances over the past 5 years.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 20:28:54 GMT
Canty will have his hands full with the Gooch or Star both of whom will cause him trouble.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 14, 2007 9:56:05 GMT
Lets have a look at all the major match ups..it has been scarily right so far with a prediction of a 3 point win for Kerry in the munster final and a 2 point win for kerry vs dublin!! Its only a rough look over the pairings and I have not exactly analysed each pairing in too much detail. Just giving my gut instinct! Cork Kerry Advantage 1 Quirke (ammended) vs D Murphy -------------- Kerry 2 M Shields, vs Gooch ------------------Kerry 3 G Canty, vs Donaghy ---------------- Cork 4 K O'Connor, vs Russell/Sheehan --- Draw 5 N O'Leary, vs Galvin ------- -------- Kerry 6 G Spillane, vs E Brosnan -------------Cork 7 Miskella, vs D O Sullivan ---------------Kerry 8 D Kavanagh, vs Scanlon ------------Cork 9 N Murphy, vs Dara Se -----------------Draw 10 J Masters, vs K Young ------------ Draw 11 P O'Neill, vs A O Mahoney --------- Draw 12 K McMahon, vs Tomas Se ----------- Kerry 13 Goulding, vs Marc -------------------- Kerry 14 M Cussen, vs Tom Sullivan -------- Cork 15 D O'Connor. vs Reidy -------------- Cork Overall Kerry 6 Cork 5 Draw 4 UPDATED for naming of the teams: 1 Quirke vs D Murphy -------------- Draw 2 M Shields, vs Gooch ------------------Kerry 3 G Canty, vs Donaghy ---------------- Cork 4 K O'Connor, vs Sheehan ------------ Draw 5 N O'Leary, vs Galvin ------- -------- Kerry 6 G Spillane, vs D O Sullivan-------------Kerry 7 Miskella, vs E Brosnan ---------------draw 8 D Kavanagh, vs Scanlon ------------Cork 9 N Murphy, vs Dara Se -----------------Draw 10 Conor Mac vs K Young ------------ Kerry 11 P O'Neill, vs A O Mahoney --------- Draw 12 K McMahon, vs Tomas Se ----------- Kerry 13 J Masters vs Marc -------------------- kerry 14 M Cussen, vs Tom Sullivan -------- Cork 15 D O'Connor. vs Reidy -------------- Cork Bench: kerry Manager: cork Support: Draw Overall Kerry 7 Cork 5 Draw 5
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 14, 2007 10:04:23 GMT
Walter, yer half forward line is lining up differently. It's Galvin, O' Sullivan and Brosnan. Not sure if that changes your statistics in any way.
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Post by watchdehop on Sept 14, 2007 10:10:41 GMT
Walter, yer half forward line is lining up differently. It's Galvin, O' Sullivan and Brosnan. Not sure if that changes your statistics in any way. True but it is more likely that it will be Brosnan on Miskella, Declan on Spillane and Galvin on Noel....
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Post by Jose on Sept 14, 2007 11:16:48 GMT
Duels of the weekend
Kerry's sub bench V Cork's sub bench
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