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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 26, 2007 23:15:39 GMT
Why do sportspeople do it? Just yesterday Tour de France leader Michael Rasmussen of Denmark had to be removed from the race for "violating internal team rules" by missing random drug tests. Keep it clean!
Hopefully no-one from the gaa is tempted to go down that route.
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Post by Control on Jul 26, 2007 23:26:50 GMT
Hi there.
Just a quick word on this topic. If the conversation stays GAA related, there won't be a problem with it. However, should it become a generic sports conversation (Tour De France etc), then we will have to close it as it isn't GAA related.
Thanks,
Control.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 26, 2007 23:33:28 GMT
That'll be tough. When Barry Bonds breaks Hank Aaron's home run record next week, there'll be acres of coverage of drugs in sport across the media all over the world.
The Tour De France thing is only the tip of the iceberg of what will come next week. But we'll stay sthum.
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Post by hitman on Jul 27, 2007 3:01:52 GMT
John O Mahony was on RTE radios "what it says in the papers" programme last sunday morning and he spoke about how former Galway players Sean o Domhnaill and Tomas Mannion were wisked away from their All-Ireland celebrations in 98 for a 2 hour long drugs test! He commented on how they were not given any chance to enjoy the moment with teammates, family or fans.
Is there a worry of doping creeping into the GAA that such tests must take place???
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 27, 2007 6:59:26 GMT
Drugs testing in 1998....... I didnt realise that was happening in 1998.
Its the "power sports" like cycling etc where drugs are most beneficial. Would drugs have helped Maurice kick that point in Thurles in 1991.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2007 10:27:00 GMT
maybe control could move the thread on this topic from the other forum over here,they was a lot of good discussion onthis topic over there,no point in going through it all again here.
personally i dont support drug testing of amature gaa players,i consider it to be over the top.
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Post by animal on Jul 27, 2007 11:06:47 GMT
drug testing is a necessary evil I'm afraid. Whilst there are methods of cheating there will be people who will use them. I'm not saying this is going on in the GAA but I do feel it has to be monitored. You need the fear of being caught. Where it gets very murky and unfair for the amateur players is where you can be caught after using cold remedies or asthma medicines. However all inter county players are well clued in on this now. they all have a list of what they can and can't take so I don't think it's too much of a problem.
Drugs or even more specifically blood doping could be very advantagous to the average GAA player. Blood doping which involves increasing the number of red blood cells thus more efficient oxygen uptake improves endurance. With the way the players are bulking themselves up now of course drugs would assist in building muscle. Again I'm not saying this is going on but it would be naive to think that it will never happen. That is why testing should take place. Keep the game clean now because we have a fantastic starting point i.e. a clean slate. Other sports are trying to catch up but are really just chasing their tails.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 27, 2007 11:15:04 GMT
. Would drugs have helped Maurice kick that point in Thurles in 1991. They must have helped him kick that point in thurles in 1991. sure the man wasnt even there so something muct have helped him in 1991...  |
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 27, 2007 11:16:47 GMT
being serious though. you can be damn sure that there were/are gaelic footballers taking some sort of perfromance enhancers.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 27, 2007 11:35:34 GMT
at my age...... all the years roll into one......
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 27, 2007 15:22:26 GMT
being serious though. you can be damn sure that there were/are gaelic footballers taking some sort of perfromance enhancers. It would be naive in the exterme to think otherwise even in an amateur sport. That is why testing is important because the only thing that will stop some people from cheating is the fear of being caught. We need referees for the same reason ;D |
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Post by BIGMAC on Jul 27, 2007 15:24:31 GMT
in sports like the gaa all the drugs in the world will not increace u'r natural ball skills but in saying that i'm for testing
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 27, 2007 15:36:46 GMT
Gary Player went public last week on his belief that drugs are being used in golf!! The Kilkenny team doctor came out against testing a few weeks back mind you.....
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Post by animal on Jul 27, 2007 15:40:59 GMT
It's very hard to come out against testing without seeming like you've something to hide. I don't think the fact that you're amateur should mean you are exempt from testing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 15:55:01 GMT
Unfair to expect amateurs to meet the criteria to pass these tests, a guys career could be ruined because of cough medicine taken in the week before a match.
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Post by BIGMAC on Jul 27, 2007 22:29:33 GMT
there are any gods amount of amatuers n ther sporting world who willingly put themselves up for testing and those who dont want it..........well what have they got to hide
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 28, 2007 14:10:59 GMT
Most senior intercounty GAA players don't have the large backroom medical support which will be able to keep him on the straight and narrow when it comes to avoiding the myriad of over the counter products which are on the banned list and as a result shouldn't be subject to the same testing as everybody else by the IOC.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 28, 2007 14:49:46 GMT
in sports like the gaa all the drugs in the world will not increace u'r natural ball skills but in saying that i'm for testing Drugs may not improve natural skills as such but may improve stamina, allowing a player to keep going for the full 70 minutes. Thus his natural skills are artificially enhanced. |
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 28, 2007 14:56:06 GMT
Most senior intercounty GAA players don't have the large backroom medical support which will be able to keep him on the straight and narrow when it comes to avoiding the myriad of over the counter products which are on the banned list and as a result shouldn't be subject to the same testing as everybody else by the IOC. It doesn't take a large backroom medical team to keep players straight. Just a clear policy on what is and is not acceptable and the sanctions players may expect for breaking them. No doubt "accidents" can and will occur but nowadays no top class athlete - profesional or amateur - should have the excuse of ignorance regarding which substances to avoid. |
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Post by BIGMAC on Jul 28, 2007 15:04:17 GMT
in sports like the gaa all the drugs in the world will not increace u'r natural ball skills but in saying that i'm for testing Drugs may not improve natural skills as such but may improve stamina, allowing a player to keep going for the full 70 minutes. Thus his natural skills are artificially enhanced. no amount of enhancers will improve natural ability,they may make u stronger and faster but there is no knowen drug that wll give u a natural flair on the pitch |
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 28, 2007 20:24:23 GMT
[no amount of enhancers will improve natural ability,they may make u stronger and faster but there is no knowen drug that wll give u a natural flair on the pitch "Stronger and faster" may be enough of a reward for some to be tempted. |
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 29, 2007 14:46:44 GMT
What exactly is the process regarding GAA players tested?
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Post by buck02 on Aug 3, 2007 14:45:17 GMT
Breaking News:
Four Tyrone players drug tested ahead of All Ireland quarter final
It's emerged four Tyrone players were drug tested last night during the county's final training session before their crucial All-Ireland quarter final encounter with Meath.
The four, randomly selected, were given the all clear, but manager Mickey Harte has questioned the timing of the tests.
Meanwhile Brian Dooher remains a doubt for Tyrone despite being named at number ten for tomorrow's clash.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 3, 2007 15:35:21 GMT
Not being funny, but I thought it would take longer to do those test results to come back. Not suggesting that anything would show up, but I just thought it would take a bit longer. It's not like a random breath test.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 3, 2007 16:01:53 GMT
depends on the tests,i they did bloods u would think it would be a few days b4 they had the results so u would have to ask what their looking for,recreational maybe urine and pupil dilation would show up quick
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 3, 2007 16:03:03 GMT
[no amount of enhancers will improve natural ability,they may make u stronger and faster but there is no knowen drug that wll give u a natural flair on the pitch "Stronger and faster" may be enough of a reward for some to be tempted. stronger and faster are useless if a player has 2 club feet |
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 3, 2007 16:06:04 GMT
Well, you would presume they would be fairly detailed, that's why I was wondering.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 3, 2007 19:32:51 GMT
"Stronger and faster" may be enough of a reward for some to be tempted. stronger and faster are useless if a player has 2 club feet I agree - but you don't see too many of those about, even in Antrim  Seriously, Bigmac - do you think taking performance enhancing drugs would give no advantage whatsoever to GAA players? If so there is no point in testing - if not there is. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 3, 2007 21:11:58 GMT
i hope none of the four lads were rushing home to let the baby sitter off home.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 4, 2007 10:43:01 GMT
If you take for example a player like Brian Lacey from Kildare (ex Tipp). It was said that in the championship of 1999 (I Think) he only kicked the ball once. Every pass from him was a fisted effort. Now he could run himself into the ground and didnt need any great degree of foot skills.
I must emphasise that I am not implying that Brian was taking anything but am just pointing out the type of player who could benefit greatly from performance enhancing substances.
Testing is a good thing but I dont think amateurs should be subject to the same "out of competition" rules as in the case of Rasmussen. I was always a huge Cycling fan, having raced for a number of years but now the world of professional cycling just seems to be a fraud to me. Its a terrible shame for the clean ones.
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