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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2007 11:05:21 GMT
matt galagher the donegal full back never kick the ball once in the all-ireland final of '92 v dublin when he marked vinny murphy,if you observed him closely during winter football in the national league you would very sure he didnt par take in performance enhancing drugs.
just because you dont kick a ball but can run doesnt mean you are using performance ehancing drugs,thats the nature of full back line play to gain posession and moved it on quickly and accurately.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 4, 2007 19:18:59 GMT
stronger and faster are useless if a player has 2 club feet I agree - but you don't see too many of those about, even in Antrim Seriously, Bigmac - do you think taking performance enhancing drugs would give no advantage whatsoever to GAA players? If so there is no point in testing - if not there is. thats not what i said,i said they will no enhance natural ability and yes they wll give gr8 benefit to a naturally talented player as for speed and strenght thats why in my point i felt we have the need to randomly test players.as asa says most teams dont have the backroom staff or the finances to avail of the the masking agents but there are ways and means round everything.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 4, 2007 20:46:24 GMT
testing has to been done... End of story.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 4, 2007 21:21:06 GMT
just because you dont kick a ball but can run doesnt mean you are using performance ehancing drugs,thats the nature of full back line play to gain posession and moved it on quickly and accurately. Thats not what I said, but if thats how you play ball then you dont need great footballing skills and drugs could be an advantage...I never said " just because you dont kick a ball but can run doesnt mean you are using performance ehancing drugs"
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 4, 2007 21:24:33 GMT
I'd need some after today nearly I'd say.....
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Post by yellowbelly on Aug 6, 2007 9:02:58 GMT
AFAIK Drug testers were in Kerry last week, four players tested.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 7, 2007 1:22:30 GMT
Its the done thing for the last few years. I see nothing wrong with it.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2007 8:29:57 GMT
its making professional demands of amatuer players that are fully and strictly amateur in every possible way but are expected to perform to a professional standard by a continiously baying public who will criticise at any slacking of professional performance from the players. Thats whats wrong with it,plus the huge massive media instrusion players have to deal with at work and at home. Once the gaa opened croker as a cash cow they can kiss goodbye to the future amateur ethos of the gaa by future generations of young players.
if they want to test players,pay them their grants.
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Post by Jacko on Aug 7, 2007 21:19:28 GMT
As discussed already, performance enhancing drugs equal higher levels of fitness and endurance. But its in the increased levels of concentration that may benefit the less "skillful" boyo's I reckon. Less chance to let the head slip if your not as puffed out.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 7, 2007 21:25:48 GMT
I must say that I agree with a lot of your points kerrygold. How can we find a happy medium. Drugs need to be kept out but players amateurism has to be respected
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 7, 2007 21:30:26 GMT
owenabue
You are lucky that Sligo havent invented a drug that would make them kick the ball at the posts.
I think Masters will be a huge loss for ye even though he was a carrying a few niggling injuries lately. Where will your scores come from.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2007 21:36:10 GMT
its making professional demands of amatuer players that are fully and strictly amateur in every possible way but are expected to perform to a professional standard by a continiously baying public who will criticise at any slacking of professional performance from the players. Thats whats wrong with it,plus the huge massive media instrusion players have to deal with at work and at home. Once the gaa opened croker as a cash cow they can kiss goodbye to the future amateur ethos of the gaa by future generations of young players. if they want to test players,pay them their grants. exactly
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 7, 2007 22:37:23 GMT
Sully, I'll answer it in the Meath Cork topic.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Aug 8, 2007 22:59:02 GMT
The GAA have revealed that as many as sixty inter-county players will have to endure anti-doping procedures before the end of the championship campaign.
With other sports engulfed in controversy in recent times, the GAA are moving with the times and it has emerged that an average of four inter-county players are being randomly selected for drug testing by the Sports Council each week.
To date there have been no positive results from those who have been forced to go through the procedure.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 9, 2007 23:00:02 GMT
Anyone hear the rumour about Masters getting drugs from Sean Boylan?? It's like the Tour de France!
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 10, 2007 7:57:26 GMT
its making professional demands of amatuer players that are fully and strictly amateur in every possible way but are expected to perform to a professional standard by a continiously baying public who will criticise at any slacking of professional performance from the players. Thats whats wrong with it,plus the huge massive media instrusion players have to deal with at work and at home. Once the gaa opened croker as a cash cow they can kiss goodbye to the future amateur ethos of the gaa by future generations of young players. if they want to test players,pay them their grants. Amateurism and drug taking are two separate issues. Surely you can't mean that because players are amateur there should be less stringent testing or a more lenient attitude towards drug taking. If anything the amateur ethos should point towards a stricter drug testing regime for its players as (by definition) love of the sport itself rather than monetary gain is what drives the participants.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 10, 2007 9:08:52 GMT
Anyone hear the rumour about Masters getting drugs from Sean Boylan?? It's like the Tour de France! Just to clear that up, on the Echo yesterday it said that Boylan had rang Billy Morgan and had said he'd send stuff to help Masters jaw heal. Don't be stiring the sh^te Rashers!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2007 9:19:24 GMT
I wonder what Colm Coyle makes of it all......
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 10, 2007 9:28:51 GMT
Yerra, what's there to make of it? Presume if it was Copper he'd have done the same.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2007 10:53:15 GMT
its making professional demands of amatuer players that are fully and strictly amateur in every possible way but are expected to perform to a professional standard by a continiously baying public who will criticise at any slacking of professional performance from the players. Thats whats wrong with it,plus the huge massive media instrusion players have to deal with at work and at home. Once the gaa opened croker as a cash cow they can kiss goodbye to the future amateur ethos of the gaa by future generations of young players. if they want to test players,pay them their grants. Amateurism and drug taking are two separate issues. Surely you can't mean that because players are amateur there should be less stringent testing or a more lenient attitude towards drug taking. If anything the amateur ethos should point towards a stricter drug testing regime for its players as (by definition) love of the sport itself rather than monetary gain is what drives the participants. what did we do without drug testing 30 years ago when the kerry dublin rivilary was at its rampant best and up till the last 10 years,how did we survive then without manatory drug testing. drug testing was forced on the gaa by the sports council of ireland or maybe we could say the gaa was treatened with grant withdrawel if they did not sign up. i'm not sure what your last point means as there is no monatary gain for gaa players.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2007 10:59:26 GMT
Thats typical of sean boylan in fairness,on a visit to him once in the mid '90s he enquired off me as regards to the well being of a player who damaged his ankle in a game,the player in question would be playing v meath if they won their next match,i told him it was looking dodgy that he mighten make it,sean said wait here a minute and came back shortly with a concoxtion in a bottle with instructions also for the injured player.The player in question played out the rest of the summers season.Sean is a real gentleman.
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Post by Piggy on Aug 10, 2007 14:28:37 GMT
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 10, 2007 19:26:29 GMT
[what did we do without drug testing 30 years ago when the kerry dublin rivilary was at its rampant best and up till the last 10 years,how did we survive then without manatory drug testing. drug testing was forced on the gaa by the sports council of ireland or maybe we could say the gaa was treatened with grant withdrawel if they did not sign up. i'm not sure what your last point means as there is no monatary gain for gaa players. Things were very different 30 years ago. If the GAA had to be dragged kicking and screaming into drug testing as your post implies - more shame on them. Did they think there was something to hide? I happen to believe (perhaps naively) that the game is relatively free of illegal drugs. But nowadays blind faith is not enough. It must be seen to be clean as well. And it's not just to stop cheating. There are significant player welfare issues here as well in terms of the long-term effects of these drugs - just think of some of the horror stories from athletics and cycling. My last point is exactly that - there is no monetary gain for GAA players unlike professional soccer and rugby players, so (in theory at least) that should make them less likely to use performance enhancers.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2007 19:59:40 GMT
should club players be tested so,and if so down as far as the junior player on the clubs third team?
why were things so different 30 years ago and leading up to the last 10 years?,its still basically the same game played by amateurs that were as amatuer then in principal as they are now.
finally i dont believe performance enhancing drug taking is rampant in gaa circles,does it not say something that no gaa player has ever failed a test, not even in the early days of testing. Its unlikely players who have to go to work for the rest of the lives will engage in drug taking and risk future ill health.
Personally i dont feel its about having something to hide but is more about the hindrence to the players who at the end of the day are representing their tiny parish back home and are not contracted to anyone other than the peoples dreams they represent.
for me testing intercounty players is more got to do with modern media hype,seen to be done in our new modern politically correct society!
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 12, 2007 6:56:35 GMT
should club players be tested so,and if so down as far as the junior player on the clubs third team?It's a matter of proportionality. The most junior players should no more be tested than kids at a primary school egg and s* race. Elete athletes including intercounty players should be as rigorously tested as in any sport. In between, probably less so but the risk of random testing should be sufficient to discourage the thought of cheating. why were things so different 30 years ago and leading up to the last 10 years?,its still basically the same game played by amateurs that were as amatuer then in principal as they are now.The difference is better and more accurate tests on the one hand and and more plentiful sources of supply on the other. If, as we both believe, the GAA is relatively free of performance enhancers, the players have nothing to fear from testing - and none of them will want to be the one with the dubious record of the first positive test. I agree with you that there is an element of media hype and political correctness in the debate - but that in itself is not an argument against testing. It is the right thing to ensure that our sport is free of performance enhancers AND seen to be so. PS Control - why won't the text editor let me write the word s* (rhymes with moon) ;D
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