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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 8:36:28 GMT
In my opinion, if Kerry achieves the two in a row, it will not only be a massive achievement but will confirm them nationally as the outstanding team of this decade. (Which we know they already are) Yet, you have these members of the gutter press journalists like Breheny and keys, who will denigrate that achievement and insult us and our players in the national media suggesting we can only achieve it by an easy route. Even, if we have a complete open draw, which must surely come, we will still win All-Irelands because footballers in Kerry are as natural as the Lakes of Killarney or the sand on Banna strand.
Up the Kingdom!!
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jun 7, 2007 9:23:28 GMT
ah now. scumbag is a bit harsh. Sure didnt Jack O'Connor give the dubs a hard time in one of his articles. Calling a fella a scumbag for saying Kerry have an easier route to an All Ireland last 16 place than many other contendors for the crown (when it is blatantly true) is narcissism at is ugliest.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 11:59:43 GMT
Inforthebreaks You’re just arguing for the sake of it, if I say black you’re going to say white. I have seen this behaviour once or twice before and if that is you're game, play away my friend. I will accept criticism if it is fair, and if you read on you will notice I have done that. Jack in his article on Dublin was fair and balanced and was complementary as well as critical. And the criticism was positive criticism not negative or derogatory to the Dubs. You asked me what was wrong with the report by Breheny and I came back with a fair reply, noting the obvious blind spot that Breheny had portrayed in that piece on Armagh. I caught you there and I noticed you never came back to me on what was just indefensible biased journalism which many others have noticed. I agree using the term ‘scumbag’ is harsh, and I will edit it out, but when you see these journalists such as Tadgheen reminded me, and the likes of Keys making personal comments about the Gooch’s lifestyle or personal remarks about the Kerry team that Breheny has been doing for over twenty years it makes my blood boil. These fellas have had free a reign for years on their opinion and I’m delighted there is now a media through which we can answer back. Criticism is fine, once it is fair and balanced, and not carrying such an obvious biased agenda. I await your next snipe with interest ‘inforthe breaks’ if that is your game, I stand over my views as honest and sincere and will stand up for them. As Jack O Connor said when he remarked about some of these media fellas last year. “You’ve got to stand up for yourself”.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 12:12:54 GMT
;D
Of course, there is a lot of positive media coverage of Kerry and fair criticism of the team when it is deserved. I started this thread which I hope we can keep up over the summer as a forum to highlight media coverage of Kerry that us as supporters think is unfair or unwarranted. I think it is great we have a public forum to answer back the critics when we don’t agree. Now, if someone would like to start a thread with all the POSITIVE media coverage of Kerry over the summer and may be call it something like, “The Sun shiners’ media coverage of Kerry.” (lol*), go right ahead, and I will be a contributor!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2007 12:33:59 GMT
Inforthebreaks You’re just arguing for the sake of it, if I say black you’re going to say white. I have seen this behaviour once or twice before and if that is you're game, play away my friend. I will accept criticism if it is fair, and if you read on you will notice I have done that. Jack in his article on Dublin was fair and balanced and was complementary as well as critical. And the criticism was positive criticism not negative or derogatory to the Dubs. You asked me what was wrong with the report by Breheny and I came back with a fair reply, noting the obvious blind spot that Breheny had portrayed in that piece on Armagh. I caught you there and I noticed you never came back to me on what was just indefensible biased journalism which many others have noticed. I agree using the term ‘scumbag’ is harsh, and I will edit it out, but when you see these journalists such as Tadgheen reminded me, and the likes of Keys making personal comments about the Gooch’s lifestyle or personal remarks about the Kerry team that Breheny has been doing for over twenty years it makes my blood boil. These fellas have had free a reign for years on their opinion and I’m delighted there is now a media through which we can answer back. Criticism is fine, once it is fair and balanced, and not carrying such an obvious biased agenda. I await your next snipe with interest ‘inforthe breaks’ if that is your game, I stand over my views as honest and sincere and will stand up for them. As Jack O Connor said when he remarked about some of these media fellas last year. “You’ve got to stand up for yourself”. Is it ok to argue against you bigbrother?I'll try to agree with you somewhere Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, one man's meat is another's poison, it's all in the perception & interpretation, which inevitably when it comes to one's own county is somewhat biased. I think you're taking this too personally - every county gets good & bad press. The general perception of Kerry in the media is overwhelmingly, without doubt, positive - "Pure football, natural players, great champions, always clean, home of football, the standard by which all others measured, you're only really a proper champion when you've beaten Kerry etc etc etc" So you'll excuse me if I when Kerry fans start to go on about getting bad press
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 7, 2007 12:35:50 GMT
Rashers, I don't believe it.... we final agree on something!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 12:49:00 GMT
Rashers & owenabue No, problem guys, points taken. As, I have said myself on more than one occasion if you read through the threads, we do get a lot of positive press. Do, you not agree if there is criticism one feels is unfair (not all criticism is bad, as you say - perception), we can use this media to answer back. I am not against criticism and we can all express an opinion on whether we agree or disagee, in this case as regards certain journalists, I think their coverage has an agenda, and I am pointing that out, people can agree or disagree, fair enough.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2007 12:49:28 GMT
Rashers, I don't believe it.... we final agree on something! You'd better lie down, next thing you know I'll be predicting Cork to reach the All-I final
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 12:53:28 GMT
I think you're right mrtierneyeq - alk Rashers.
And kerry will be there to meet them and pick up number 35!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2007 13:03:34 GMT
Rashers & owenabue No, problem guys, points taken. As, I have said myself on more than one occasion if you read through the threads, we do get a lot of positive press. Do, you not agree if there is criticism one feels is unfair (not all criticism is bad, as you say - perception), we can use this media to answer back. I am not against criticism and we can all express an opinion on whether we agree or disagee, in this case as regards certain journalists, I think their coverage has an agenda, and I am pointing that out, people can agree or disagree, fair enough. You're doing some classic Kerry shimmy-shallying BB! Your thread is titled "Media bias against Kerry", and clearly indicates that you're feeling persecuted, and trying to stoke up the usual motivation propoganda of "Kerry are up against it". Fair play to you, it often seems to work for yis, though for the life of me I cant understand how yis keep getting away with it - must be the gift of the gab (speaking of which Abue, you folks could do with a repeat prescription of that magic stone, if yis are going to out-fox your rivals in Munster two years in a row) Incidentally, my favourite journalist of all time by a suburban kilometre is Con Houlihan, and he was unashamedly a Kingdom fan through & through
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 7, 2007 13:04:10 GMT
Bigbrother, I know all about criticism aren’t I a moderator on Rebelgaa. I have questioned about posts on here that ye direct at yer own players (some of which still haven’t been edited by the moderators) and wonder why they are still there. But yet it seems okay for a Kerry person to take the legs out from under a player, but for someone in the media to do so is a crime. Double standards I think. When I ever question the hard time Billy Morgan gets on here (I know he might deserve it) I get slagged off basically because I’m from Cork, I’m meant to take it. But why should he or Noel O’ Leary or the likes of the Tyrone or Armagh teams be treated differently that the Ó Sés or any of the other Kerry heroes? You go on about Kerry getting a hard time. How about a fella making his championship debut? To be criticised on national television, and to be described as a “poor impression of Kieran Donaghy”, is that fair?! I have given you a few examples of how Kerry aren't treated unfairly so I really think you might be flogging a dead horse.
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 7, 2007 13:14:01 GMT
Rashers, the issue is, if they beat us there is no living with them and if we beat them they only come back angrier so it's a no win situation.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 7, 2007 13:29:14 GMT
Bigbrother - if you feel that strongly about certain media publications anti biased views against Kerry then just dont buy it.
The term you used to describe the journalists was wrong and you have edited it, fair play.
I suppose what you have to factor in is that Kerry winning the All Ireland isnt news. Mayo winning it would mean wall to wall coverage for weeks, Dublin winning it and we'd have those 16 page supplements (that all papers have had at the ready for the last 12 years) in each and every paper for a week and DVDs of their marvellous run available from your nearest Heatons. Tyrone & Armagh win and we get articles of how years and years of hardship and troubles have bourne fruit in their winning their 3rd or 2nd all irelands.
What we should not forget down here though was the lies that were printed in the week leading up the last years final with the headline in the Sunday Indo along the lines of Anarchy in the Kerry Camp.
To conclude many journalists and commentators are former players or followers of counties who suffered many defeat at the hands of Kerry teams over the last 40 years. Sure they're bound to have some grudge against us.
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Post by BIGMAC on Jun 7, 2007 13:29:16 GMT
kerry suscessful ? hell yeah armagh suscessfull ? yeah tyrone suscessful ? yes again dublin suscessful ? no way
but these teams have 1 thing in common,their phyical teams,they play hard ,they win,people dont like winners,they gripe about winners,live with it
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2007 13:35:42 GMT
Bigbrother - if you feel that strongly about certain media publications anti biased views against Kerry then just dont buy it. The term you used to describe the journalists was wrong and you have edited it, fair play. I suppose what you have to factor in is that Kerry winning the All Ireland isnt news. Mayo winning it would mean wall to wall coverage for weeks, Dublin winning it and we'd have those 16 page supplements (that all papers have had at the ready for the last 12 years) in each and every paper for a week and DVDs of their marvellous run available from your nearest Heatons. Tyrone & Armagh win and we get articles of how years and years of hardship and troubles have bourne fruit in their winning their 3rd or 2nd all irelands. What we should not forget down here though was the lies that were printed in the week leading up the last years final with the headline in the Sunday Indo along the lines of Anarchy in the Kerry Camp. To conclude many journalists and commentators are former players or followers of counties who suffered many defeat at the hands of Kerry teams over the last 40 years. Sure they're bound to have some grudge against us. That lies werent spread to give Kerry motivation all the way from the Munster final defeat on by any chance? Crisis, what crisis?!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2007 13:37:03 GMT
kerry suscessful ? hell yeah armagh suscessfull ? yeah tyrone suscessful ? yes again dublin suscessful ? no way but these teams have 1 thing in common,their phyical teams,they play hard ,they win,people dont like winners,they gripe about winners,live with it They gripe about losers too, and some losers get it handed out in spades. I'd rather be a winner either way
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 13:58:21 GMT
Buck02, I agree with your sentiments entirely. I don’t buy the indo as you can read it on line. Being an avid sports fans and GAA fan in particular I enjoy following the various news media and all I’m doing here is an expressing a personal opinion on one segment of that coverage in ‘this particular case’, though some people seem to be taking me out of context or bringing up different issues, present company excluded.
Up the Kingdom!!! To hell with the begrudgers
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 7, 2007 14:08:15 GMT
The topic is "media bias against Kerry". I'm sure an outsides prespective from Rashers, Bigmac & myself should be welcomed. But it's you who has turned it into an attack on the Indo & Martin Berherty (which I wouldn't wipe my shoes with) so which is it?! Oh I forgot we're begrudgers.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 14:19:11 GMT
Calm yourself down, owenabue, I was referring to those mentioned at the end of bucko2 to whose last post I was replying, not you my friend.
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 7, 2007 14:33:14 GMT
BB, I’m the essence of calmness…. You’d need to be if you follow Cork! Yerra, if I was you I’d take what any of the journalists say with a pinch of salt. Must of it is just to sell papers rather than being the result of good research or based on facts.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 14:44:24 GMT
I agree with your sentiments owenabue. However, some of these so called journalists have had a free reign for years, and I think it is great that supporters have a medium through which they can respond and express their opinions as well. Moreover, I feel some journalists are trying to poison the air a bit, therefore am I not as a supporter entitled to respond. Isn’t that fair enough… ps: Sure anyway owenabue ye fellas in Cork love a cause, join this one
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 7, 2007 15:00:22 GMT
I can see what you are saying. I have enough issues with the media that I could write a book, but it’s more like the lack of coverage Gaelic games get in Cork in particular. You say the thing with regards to the Dublin game being played live? Yet the Munster final wasn’t last year. I suppose they just go with what the majority want. Should I be insulted that he is also suggesting that Cork don’t even give ye a match of it most years?
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 7, 2007 15:10:42 GMT
Just goes to show owenabue this guy doesn't know what his on about. In general, the standard of kerry v Cork are quite high quality games over the years and have been at a far higher level than the Connacht final in my opinion. In general, both sides measure themselves for the year against each other.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 7, 2007 15:30:11 GMT
the ratings are what matter to Rte...... Dublin v Meath is huge
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Post by Piggy on Jun 7, 2007 17:28:27 GMT
Bigmac is dead right in what he says,no matter who you are or what you do there'll always be some ar*ehole there to make talk crap about you!
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Post by BIGMAC on Jun 7, 2007 18:20:50 GMT
Bigmac is dead right in what he says,no matter who you are or what you do there'll always be some ar*ehole there to make talk crap about you! at last a man of vision. you put urself on a plinthe and u'll get those that will throw stones at u,its not the failings of losers that is singleded out but how the winners win.its only a few years ago that armagh were the nearly men but a good bunch of lads now 1 all ireland l8r we're a bunch of cheatin durty hoors a label leveled at kerry last year aswell,now ask urselves why,it aint hard to figure out and the meedja know that
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Post by kerry07 on Jun 7, 2007 21:14:14 GMT
Brehany and others in the Indo have little time for Kerry and that is nothiong new. These articles follow in that vein. Yes we have an easier passage than say Ulster Teams have currently. Leinster and Connought are not any different to Munster. But I have one question for Mr Breheny Can you name one Kerry player,mentor,Official or fan that relishes that fact ? Does anyone seriously think that our provencial set up suits a team like Kerry ? (What happened in 2005 ?) Last question which of the three other provinces would welcome us into their championship ? I agree though the provential system will have to change and probably will in 10 years. In 20 we will still be a dominant force in Gaelic Football taking between 30% and 60% of all titles each decade. IT IS A TESTIMENT TO THE STRENGTH OF GAELIC FOOTBALL IN THE KINGDOM, AND IN CORK TOO, THAT BOTH COUNTIES, BUT PARTICULARLY KERRY, CAN REMAIN COMPETATIVE NATIONALLY YEAR IN YEAR OUT DESPITE THE PAUCITY OF THE CHALLENGE PROVIDED BY THE PROVENTIAL COMPETITION. F..k the begrudgers We set our own standards and how the rest of the football world view them is their problem. We know them (Breheny Brolly & Co.) for what they are with their double standards hyprocricy and bull....e. The Indo is a Rag in every respect>
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 7, 2007 23:21:49 GMT
i used to know a certain kerry defender from during the famine who always used say about at his selection on the team after often poor winter displays by him when eye brows were raised,his favourite line went something along the lines,"Fcuk the bregrudgers,let em p**s off".
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 7, 2007 23:53:31 GMT
Bigmac is dead right in what he says,no matter who you are or what you do there'll always be some ar*ehole there to make talk crap about you! at last a man of vision. you put urself on a plinthe and u'll get those that will throw stones at u,its not the failings of losers that is singleded out but how the winners win.its only a few years ago that armagh were the nearly men but a good bunch of lads now 1 all ireland l8r we're a bunch of cheatin durty hoors a label leveled at kerry last year aswell,now ask urselves why,it aint hard to figure out and the meedja know that Disagree, certain teams are built up like a Chrostmas tree by the press etc, and then they are the first to run them through with a sword when they lose Abue, now you're jumping on the persecuted bandwagon? What about all those Cork League games on Setanta!
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Post by flaherty on Jun 7, 2007 23:55:05 GMT
There is enough blatant bias against kerry out there (Breheny, Brolly etc) so the likes of colm o rourke and Eugene McGee are to be welcomed. I am amazed that the most pro-kerry jounalist of them all-Eamon Sweeney- has yet to get a mention on this thred. There are a greater amount of anti-kerry jounalists around than any other county so the likes of Eamon Sweeney in particular are to be welcomed.
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