What is Paudi at?

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Posted by mickmack on Yesterday at 8:33am
Here are a few bits from Paidi o Se in todays Sunday Indo about Clare.


"Working in a county as an outsider can be like buying cows at midnight. Perhaps, this should now be considered in Clare."


Posted by sullyschoice on Yesterday at 9:19am
too many blows to the head
Posted by owenabue on Yesterday at 10:22am
www.hoganstand.com/Clare/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=77896

I'll give Páidí a month....
Posted by mickmack on Yesterday at 12:12pm

Yesterday at 8:33am, mickmack wrote:Here are a few bits from Paidi o Se in todays Sunday Indo about Clare.


"Working in a county as an outsider can be like buying cows at midnight. Perhaps, this should now be considered in Clare."





but what is he saying in this quote.............
Posted by sullyschoice on Yesterday at 12:22pm
maybe he should come back in the morning to look at the cows if he is goingtotake the job. If he doesnt know anything about the players maybe he shouldnt take the jobs outside Kerry.

Is he having a pop at the county board for not providing him with extra eyes and ears to unearth talent
Posted by piggy on Yesterday at 5:49pm
think Paidi should cut his losses and retire from management altogether,dosnt have the head for it!
Posted by kerrygold on Yesterday at 6:06pm
he won two all-irelands,a national league, 6 munster champions and 2 or 3 u21 all-irelands,that a strange comment piggy.
Posted by mickmack on Yesterday at 6:50pm
kerrygold........ he had a great crop of players at his disposal......... the second best team that i have ever seen in fact.

i like paidi but....... i wouldnt want him to take over kerry again unless we go another 11 years without a win
Posted by sullyschoice on Yesterday at 8:07pm
I dont wish to sound disrespectful to Clare (but I probably do) but Paidi could be there til the cows come home and he wont win anything with Clare. They are one of the poorest teams in the country. At least with Westmeath Paidi had a crop of young players coming through from U21s
Posted by mickmack on Yesterday at 8:28pm

Yesterday at 8:07pm, sullyschoice wrote:Paidi could be there til the cows come home and he wont win anything with Clare.



there we go with that cow theme again, Am i missing something?


Posted by kingdomkerry on Yesterday at 10:17pm
Mmmmmoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
Posted by kerry07 on Today at 12:02am
The Clare boys are not happy. I think they were acting the b.....ks and you know what happens then with P O. gate and home Jesus who do they think they are?
Posted by kerrygold on Today at 10:44am

Yesterday at 6:50pm, mickmack wrote:kerrygold........ he had a great crop of players at his disposal......... the second best team that i have ever seen in fact.

i like paidi but....... i wouldnt want him to take over kerry again unless we go another 11 years without a win




so too had jack o connor.

would you consider paidi for underage teams in kerry mickmack?

i doubt clare would have beaten kerrys u21's this year if paidi was at the helm.
Posted by inforthebreaks on Today at 11:45am
It was Seamus MacGearailt's presence that made Paidi a good coach. With the players at Paidis disposal he should ahve won a couple more all irelands (allthough the football his team played in 2002 was some of the best in our generation)
Posted by owenabue on Today at 11:47am

Yesterday at 8:28pm, mickmack wrote:
Yesterday at 8:07pm, sullyschoice wrote:Paidi could be there til the cows come home and he wont win anything with Clare.



there we go with that cow theme again, Am i missing something?





Ardfert isn't really a huge metropolis so it's a bit surprising you don't understand these funny country sayings. You must be in Dublin too long.

[Piggy]

if Paidi was worth his weight in gold as a manager he'd do a job with Clare,look at Micko with any team he takes over.

[MrRasherstoyou]

Very disappointing, I'd say he just didnt hit it off with them, but I'm sure he'll be back next year. Maybe he just wasnt focused enough on the team this time, with all his business & media commitments?

[Piggy]

Heard there sick of him up in Clare already.................must be because of all the money their throwing away on him!

[Mickmack]

The ego has landed!

[Jo90]

There was a good article about him in the Tribune. He wasn't even staying until the end of the training sessions. He went up to one lad to tell him how well he's been doing at training over the previous few weeks even though it was only his first or second session.

"In a few years' time when we're leaving Croke Park after contesting a senior All Ireland final, people will be saying 'Were you in Ennis on the day of the big wind when Paidi [O Se] arrived in Clare?' Instead of 200 people at our first national league game against Leitrim in Parnell Park, there'll be three to "ve thousand" Former Munster Council chairman and proud Clare man, Noel Walsh, December, 2006 ThePaidi factor hasn't worked.

At least not in the way they'd dreamt. There was a couple of thousand at that first league game, but by the last one the crowd was back to a couple of hundred. It's the numbers at training that alarm and depress Clare football men though.

For the past month, numbers have been fluctuating, from 14 to 18. Last Tuesday, five days before facing Waterford in Dungarvan, it was back over the 20 mark but even that evening their manager arrived in Cusack Park to find the hurlers training while his own players were training two miles away in Clareabbey.

Two weeks ago, Ger Quinlan, last year's captain, had enough. Ever since he joined the county panel more than nine years ago, Quinlan has been considered one of the county's most dedicated players, the kind who, if you called for 20 sessions in a month, would be at all 20. Two weeks ago he quit, his spirit broken.

In five months under O Se, the players barely touched a ball in training, except for games of backs and forwards.

Barry Keating, current selector and one of the heroes of the famous win over Cork 10 years ago, had introduced a few ball drills in recent weeks and they'd been well received, but the trimmings from Mayo and Cork only proved they'd been brought in months too late. When fellow senior players called up to Quinlan's house to coax him back Quinlan told them there was more chance of Seamus Clancy playing for Clare again.

The prospect of Clancy togging out again for the county 15 years after his famed All Star might seem laughable, but the way things are in Clare it's only slightly implausible. This past fortnight O Se's selectors have been scrambling around for players like some bad junior club team on a Sunday morning.

In Clare football circles, both the joke and word is that if you're a member of that '97 side that shocked Cork, switch off your phone. Peter Cosgrove hadn't, and 10 days ago, at 33 years of age, was asked if he'd be interested in playing his first championship match in nine years.

Cosgrove declined but some of the twenty-somethings who answered the call haven't even played championship for their club. It's that farcical.

Paidi was always a gamble, and Walsh's vision of All Ireland finals in the near future, always pure fantasy.

But throughout the 1990s, Clare had consistently been one of the top 12 teams in the country. After the humiliating defeat to Kerry in 2000, they had regressed to being a third division team, flirting with division four, but there had been enough performances under John Kennedy and last year's tandem of Michael Brennan and Donie Buckley to suggest, under a more inspired set-up, the county could re-establish itself as a solid, top-16 team. The question last winter was, with Brennan gone, who could help Buckley provide that set-up?

The sensible, long-term decision would have been to do what they did in 1990 and seek another John Maughan before he became John Maughan, a hungry manager with a point to prove; for one, Gerry Fahy, who won a Sigerson with NUI Galway and was unfairly discarded by Offaly after a year, would have fitted the profile.

The other option was to risk and think big. Westmeath had three years earlier . . . and O Se had rewarded them with a Leinster title. As one Clare football man puts it, "It's fine to say we needed a Luke Dempsey before a Paidi O Se but fellas like David Russell and Enda Coughlan who were going to pack inter-county football up wouldn't have come back for a Luke Dempsey. We needed a Paidi O Se . . . with the right attitude."

O Se with the right attitude and a point to prove has been one of the most formidable coaches in football. People forget that when he took over Kerry, the county were struggling to win Munsters, let alone All Irelands, but within a few years of his reign, Kerry's dominance over Cork had been resumed and assumed. He would guide the county to two All Ireland titles, yet probably his two finest years in coaching was when he didn't win an All Ireland but when, in 2002, he dusted himself off after his brother's death to lead his team to an All Ireland final playing probably the best football anyone of us have had the privilege of seeing in 20 years, and in 2004, with Westmeath.

That's why, on the last Friday of last November, a delegation from the Clare county board visited O Se's pub in Ventry where they told him they wouldn't take no for an answer. The first they'd heard he'd said yes was on the RTE news that Sunday. That breaking news put a lot of people in a jam:

The county board, who'd yet to tell Buckley anything about approaching O Se;
Buckley, who learned of O Se's appointment through a phonecall from his wife while he was in America that week;
and the newspaper, the Star on Sunday, that Paidi had been writing a column for.

The paper terminated their arrangement with O Se for not giving them the story, yet by the following Sunday, after making some calls, O Se was writing for another paper.

By then he'd also staged a press conference in the Temple Gate Hotel. At the same conference O Se was asked who his selectors were. O Se said he wouldn't be able to reveal that for another few weeks. Yet the following Sunday, the names were there, in his new column.

The following Saturday week, O Se was to present honours of achievement to Clare underage players at a function in the Armada Hotel in Spanish Point, with the presentation moved forward to half-seven, before dinner, to facilitate O Se. He didn't arrive for another three hours, apologising for his tardiness and state by claiming, "I don't know how you bury your dead in Clare but this is how we do it in Kerry!"

The board and players though were still willing to believe in the Paidi factor, and for a while, it worked.

Eager to impress their new boss, they won their opening two league games. But then they started meeting better opposition and started resenting that he wasn't staying around for the end of some training sessions. One night he called a player over to commend him on his effort for the previous few months and the player pointed out it was only his second night on the panel; he had him confused with someone else.

The players are voting with their feet. Dessie Molohan cited injury as his reason for leaving yet the management have seen in the local press that he's scoring freely for Moher Celtic in the local soccer league. At least there he can get to kick a bit of ball.

Now today, they'll either struggle to beat . . . or become . . . one of the worst two teams in Ireland.

Wicklow no longer have that tag. The Micko factor has worked. Today they dream of winning their first ever game in Croke Park and the county board has sold more than seven thousand tickets to people wanting to see it. There were nearly 200 people at his first training session . . . well, 121 . . . togged out, wanting to impress. Only 30 of them remain but Thomas Walsh is on board.

The O hAnnaidhs are back.

The buzz is back.

As known and as fond as O'Dwyer is of laps, the drills conducted by Kevin O'Brien have featured plenty of ball.

With ball, comes fun; to put the time young men give to this, he says, then it must be fun. In 10 seasons now working with O'Dwyer, Gerry McDermott has never once heard him use it to his players. Yeah, at times he struggles with their names, but he'll have fun with them too;

his new forward Dean Odlum is jokingly, and now endearingly, known as "the flour man".

He doesn't just preach the value of "total commitment";

he practises it. And yet, he reminds them, commitment is never an imposition, it's a choice. It's a principle he uses everywhere. A few weeks before the 1998 Leinster final, a prominent Kildare player asked him if he could skip over to America for a few days to see his girlfriend. O'Dwyer said he could, that he respected a man who felt that way about a woman, just there would be no place on the panel for him when he returned. That player won his Leinster medal.

O'Dwyer, with his suspicion of some more modern, cutting-edge techniques, might no longer be able to take a team from level four to the highest floor of level five, but such is his grasp of those other more fundamental and yet overlooked sources of confidence, there's no one better at bringing a team to another level. The secret is to get people thinking positively, especially about themselves. To do great things, you must first feel great. When he tells them "They're flying it, man! Flying it!" they feel he means it.

A coach once said, "Players don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Throughout their respective careers, O'Dwyer and O Se have repeatedly shown how much they know about football. The difference this year is only one of them has convinced his players that he cares.

[thehighfield]

After reading that article it would seem a no-brainer as to whether Paudi will be in Clare next year.

[Mickmack]

A powerful piece.......especially the last bit reproduced below

O'Dwyer, with his suspicion of some more modern, cutting-edge techniques, might no longer be able to take a team from level four to the highest floor of level five, but such is his grasp of those other more fundamental and yet overlooked sources of confidence, there's no one better at bringing a team to another level. The secret is to get people thinking positively, especially about themselves. To do great things, you must first feel great. When he tells them "They're flying it, man! Flying it!" they feel he means it.

A coach once said, "Players don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Throughout their respective careers, O'Dwyer and O Se have repeatedly shown how much they know about football. The difference this year is only one of them has convinced his players that he cares.

[Mickmack]

"Working in a county as an outsider can be like buying cows at midnight. Perhaps, this should now be considered in Clare."


What is Paidi suggesting by this?

[kerrygold]

mickmack said:

A powerful piece.......especially the last bit reproduced below

O'Dwyer, with his suspicion of some more modern, cutting-edge techniques, might no longer be able to take a team from level four to the highest floor of level five, but such is his grasp of those other more fundamental and yet overlooked sources of confidence, there's no one better at bringing a team to another level. The secret is to get people thinking positively, especially about themselves. To do great things, you must first feel great. When he tells them "They're flying it, man! Flying it!" they feel he means it.

A coach once said, "Players don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Throughout their respective careers, O'Dwyer and O Se have repeatedly shown how much they know about football. The difference this year is only one of them has convinced his players that he cares.

i'd be confident kerry would win this years all-ireland had micko being appointed as manager of kerry last autumn.

[Mickmack]

that bit of management advise works in all walks of life

The secret is to get people thinking positively, especially about themselves. To do great things, you must first feel great. When he tells them "They're flying it, man! Flying it!" they feel he means it.

A coach once said, "Players don't care how much you know until they know how much you care."

[kerrygold]

boylan has that as well,club football in meath is average but sean kept getting fellows to feel brillant about themselves,his work in the '90s was special where he kept rejuvenating players in different positions.I know them both,there both truely highly inspirational people to talk too.

thats the secret,getting fellows to feel brillant about themselves.

[Mickmack]

boylan never "lost" a player........... if you know what I mean.......... they were all winning to die for him

[Mickmack]

boylan never "lost" a player........... if you know what I mean.......... they were all winning to die for him

[Piggy]

despite Micko's sucess in using the old method i think that if Kerry under micko using the old style methods faced a Mickey Harte or Joe Kernan team using more modern methods there would be only one winner.look how much pat flanagans new style methods improved the kerry team!

[kerrygold]

if you ask me county teams have too many witch doctors in the dressing rooms now drawing on co.board funds that would be better spent on developing underage players.

[Owenabue]

Surely it is winning is all that matters? I think it's fairly normal nowadays to be honest.

[kerrygold]

All these fancy dans are a waist of money.

[inforthebreaks]

kerrygold said:

All these fancy dans are a waist of money.

but it is the teams with the "fancy dans" who have been successful

[kerrygold]

inforthebreaks said:

kerrygold said:

All these fancy dans are a waist of money.

but it is the teams with the "fancy dans" who have been successful

in the short term,will it be substained though?

[kerry07]

DEAD ON PIGGY

[Aine]

There was a headline in one of da papers a few weeks ago saying "weaker counties need major heart surgery not high profile sticking plasters". Dont think i'd call Paudie or Micko high profile sticking plasters!!

[kerrygold]

what are all these witch doctors bringing to the game?

teams are getting fitter,more physical,more of their time is taken up,the intensity levels are being driven up, enhancement drug taking suspicions are on the rise,the will to win has become too great,it life or death now,managers are becoming too powerfull,vast sums of money are being spent.


it certainly hasnt incresed the quaility of the game or increased skill levels in the game,i dont think the game has become any more attractive to watch for the spectator,maybe the opposite.

if the intensity levels keep rising something will have to collaspe somewhere,it cant keep going the way it is.In my view it a threat to the amature ethos of the game having all these highly paid professionals in dressing rooms accross the country upping the stakes.

Theres alot to be said for a good physical trainer and a manager/coach who can get the very best out of players such as boylan and dywer.

[Jo90]

kerrygold said:

mickmack said:

A powerful piece.......especially the last bit reproduced below

O'Dwyer, with his suspicion of some more modern, cutting-edge techniques, might no longer be able to take a team from level four to the highest floor of level five, but such is his grasp of those other more fundamental and yet overlooked sources of confidence, there's no one better at bringing a team to another level. The secret is to get people thinking positively, especially about themselves. To do great things, you must first feel great. When he tells them "They're flying it, man! Flying it!" they feel he means it.

A coach once said, "Players don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Throughout their respective careers, O'Dwyer and O Se have repeatedly shown how much they know about football. The difference this year is only one of them has convinced his players that he cares.

i'd be confident kerry would win this years all-ireland had micko being appointed as manager of kerry last autumn.

If Micko had been appointed last Autumn there's at least 3 extra Kerry players that would have retired though.

[kerrygold]

who and why?

[Piggy]

Micko would have the players doing laps and laps of the field,do you honestly think Darragh O Se or Mike Frank Russell would be motivated for another season doing that type of training!Tis alright doing that up in Wicklow and Kildare where they havent won anything in years but in Kerry its a different story!Most club teams down here dont just do laps of the field anymore not to mind the county team!Jo90 is spot on when he said at least 3 players would have retired!

[kerrygold]

tis unlikely dara one of great kerry players of his generation would have pulled out with the arrival of the greatest manager of the last 30 years onboard especially if his uncle was part of the ticket,I couldnt see mfr a man looking for his 5th all-ireland medal,same as dara,not wanting to work with one of the legends of game either.Lads seeking their fifth all-ireland havent found themselves in that position because they were afraid of hard work.
Dont forget this present generation of kerry footballers love and desire for game was fostered on tales and images of the golden years from lads who burst their gut and grafted for the kerry cause over a time span spanning more than a dozen seasons.
Do you really think dara reaches his level of performance by doing yoga and swimming on ventry beach every morning,no.its called training hard.

[kerrygold]

i'd say even seamus would have been tempted to give it a blast under micko.

you can sneer away at micko,but what he achieved with kildare,laois and now with what he is doing with wicklow is above winning an all-ireland with kerry.

[Mickmack]

Paudie is too much like Jose Mourinho for my liking.

Both want the limelight too much.............. they want to be the story...........

[kerrygold]

i cant agree with you on that one mickmack with paidi in kerrys case, possibly otherwise.

paidi was involved in 10 of kerrys all-ireland wins from 13 attempts,that deserves respect from the kingdom faithfull.

if kerry had won in '02 paidi would have been considered a great manager,they only lost by a point,maybe family circumstances that summer meant the lads werent able to go to the well at the end of that summer.

the only thing that rankles with me from the paidi era is the treatment of maurice fitz,but then again kerry had become dependent on maurice bit like gooch in '05.

paidi is still a legend in my eyes.