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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 24, 2005 8:16:50 GMT
I'd said I wouldn't be posting again until after the match but I saw this quote yesterday which I think sums up the game tomorrow to perfection
"It is not so very long ago, since the very knowledgeable people were shaking their heads and dishevelling their hair over what they pronounced the corpse of Kerry football. Kerry, they said, had paid the penalty for being too rigid and tradition bound. The game had passed them out. Failure to adapt to new ideas and new methods had found Kerry lagging behind. And while Down and Galway and others were dividing the spoils between them, the funeral of Kerry football was being well attended by those who could hardly catch and only kicked when no alternative appeared."
Notes in the 1970 All Ireland Final programme.
(From God and the Referee - Unforgettable GAA Quotations, by Eoghan Corry).
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Post by vman on Sept 25, 2005 14:29:17 GMT
anyone watching/listening online now? nerves are in tatters
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Post by vman on Sept 25, 2005 15:15:18 GMT
christ on a bike lads! three points down at half time. i havent a fingernail left. we need that trade mark 20 minute burst in the second half like no mans business . come on the second half. come on the kingdom
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 25, 2005 15:23:43 GMT
nobody wins anything till 5pm vman,but u's need to tighten up
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Post by squareball on Sept 25, 2005 16:09:03 GMT
Was it over confidence that led to this.
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Post by vman on Sept 25, 2005 16:27:14 GMT
how could it be over confidence? we were beat fair and square .tyrone took the game by the scruff and that was that. fair play to our boys though .they never gave up. comhgairdeachas le muintir tir eoghan.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 25, 2005 16:31:52 GMT
well said vman
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Post by smallball on Sept 25, 2005 16:34:59 GMT
Was it over confidence that led to this. Dont think so Square Ball. Best team won on the day, Tyrone deserved there win.
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Post by squareball on Sept 25, 2005 16:51:07 GMT
I mean over confidence before the game. Kerry never seemed to get up to the pace of the game.maybe they thought it would be like the Cork and Mayo games. Supporters also were much more confident than ususal...of course Tyrone deserved to win but I thought before game that Kerry playing at their best would be 5 or 6 points a better team.
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Post by dazarooni on Sept 25, 2005 16:55:03 GMT
Looks like you heavily over-estimated how good Kerry are Squareball, as Tyrone proved they are the best team in Ireland. To see Peter the Great- the best footballer of the modern generation rattle the net, really summed up everything about Tyrone in the final. They were immense.
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Post by belindoo on Sept 25, 2005 18:27:11 GMT
Oh My Lord this match today was absolutely ridiculous how did we manage to loose i they'd have keot their fecking eyes on mulligan and o'neil and actually tried to keep the ball instead of loosing it we would have had a better chance. But then again saying tht we still kept on going and o'cinneide played good enough seeming his injury! and Dec and Jacko did us proud this year they got us as far as the final lets hope we can get it again next year
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Post by dazarooni on Sept 25, 2005 19:30:03 GMT
How did you manage to lose? and you wonder why many people don't like Kerry..with arrogant comments like that. Let me answer it for you.. you lost because you were outplayed by a better team. End of.
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 25, 2005 19:45:29 GMT
Jasus lads, I'm devastated, honest...... Failed to make it up, bad dose of flu but thought we were certs for the 5 in a row. Spillane is right, 'tis 'PUKE' football that Tyrone & all them Ulster teams play. Can't wait for the League to start and we'll have a right go at them feckers again. A bit more weight training is needed I guess.
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Post by springy on Sept 25, 2005 19:53:21 GMT
How did you manage to lose? and you wonder why many people don't like Kerry..with arrogant comments like that. Let me answer it for you.. you lost because you were outplayed by a better team. End of.
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Post by springy on Sept 25, 2005 19:58:00 GMT
How did you manage to lose? and you wonder why many people don't like Kerry..with arrogant comments like that. Let me answer it for you.. you lost because you were outplayed by a better team. End of. the better team won i grant you that , but outplayed is a word i would use say for the 2003 meeting not for todays match
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Post by liammac on Sept 25, 2005 22:42:39 GMT
Jasus lads, I'm devastated, honest...... Failed to make it up, bad dose of flu but thought we were certs for the 5 in a row. Spillane is right, 'tis 'PUKE' football that Tyrone & all them Ulster teams play. Can't wait for the League to start and we'll have a right go at them feckers again. A bit more weight training is needed I guess. Puke football my hole. For feck sake like. Tyrone were superb today. Played great stuff and got some great scores to beat a great Kerry side in one of the best finals in living memory. Tyrone have proved beyond doubt today that they are currently the best side in the land. Armagh or Kerry might well take that crown off them next year. Nobody else will come near.
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Post by Kerry39 on Sept 25, 2005 22:54:30 GMT
one of the best finals in living memory. Ah for goodness sake they have started early, how come all the "great" matches are the ones Kerry loose?
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Post by dazarooni on Sept 25, 2005 23:21:01 GMT
I have never come across pathetic whingers like it. I know most of you are decent supporters and many of you are gracious in defeat, but there are some of you who are unbelievable. Why can't you just take your defeat on the chin without being such sorry losers with all this "Puke football" crap. YOU REALLY WONDER WHY SO MANY PEOPLE HATE KERRY.. THERE IS YOUR REASON.
TYRONE ARE THE BEST TEAM IN IRELAND, NOW SUCK ON THAT
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Post by nk05 on Sept 26, 2005 7:01:32 GMT
we were beatn by d better yesterday,kerry never lookd like winning it only 4 d 1st 10 mins.we lost it ourselves by kickn high stupid ball n 2 gooch and co,all they need is ball n 2 space and theyl do damage then,our tactics were wrong yesterday even a blind man would av seen that.fair play 2 micky harte he got his tactics rite,rite team selection
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Post by sparks on Sept 26, 2005 8:16:40 GMT
Why can't you just take your defeat on the chin without being such sorry losers with all this "Puke football" crap. Possibly because a lot of players like Gooch and Galvin took their defeat in the eye or on the face...
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Post by Joxer on Sept 26, 2005 8:33:52 GMT
Beaten by the better team, absolutely no question. This time last year, we were the best team equally without a doubt but this year, we had to make way for new champions. No particular reason to be hanging our heads this morning, we'll rise again. We were very low after the defeat by Tyrone in 2003, but bounced back to win again 2004. Yes, we'll need time to assess how we improve from here but the lads have given their all this year again and they deserve our support for that. I know Jacks term is up now but I hope he stays on. Now, is not the time to walk away Jack. As you said, this is still a great Kerry team and we can improve further...the talent is there. Next year is likely to be a tougher championship but that for another day. Anyway, commisserations to Jacko and the lads, congratulations to Mickey Harte and an outstanding Tyrone team...Pat Spillane got it right again...' Formula 1 Football' !!
And to dazarooni et al, get over yourself and try and be a little magnanimous in victory, like most of your fellow county men and women yesterday.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 26, 2005 8:41:33 GMT
well said joxer,to be a gr8 winner u must be a gr8 loser and joc proved he is 1 of the greats.a fantastic game of football yesterday,played with passion by both teams a credit to all gaa teams throughout ireland.mark 10/10
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Post by dec on Sept 26, 2005 8:45:12 GMT
Congrats to Tyrone.. They deserved it 100%. Anybody see Mickey Harte breaking down when talking about Cormac MacNallen after the game..Very moving. I hope we haven't seen the last of Hassett, Cinneide, Moynihan and maybe 1 or 2 others.. The squad and managment should take a break and reflect rather than making any hasty decisions about quitting or the like.. JOC said he would leave after his 2 years are finished..I hope he stays along with the rest of the backroom team.. One major concern for me after yesterday is it will be so difficult to bounce back now for the players. Some of them have a huge amount of mileage on the clock and maybe their desire will have been quenched. What really counted against Kerry yesterday is the fact that it was their first big intensity test.... Tyrone have had to play huge games already this year especially in Ulster. They were battle hardened and it was IMPOSSIBLE for Kerry to have been prepared like that. A big advantage for Tyrone or Armagh is they have these huge intense games from the beginning of the Championship where they are allowed to lose once.. Wouldnt it be great and maybe more fair if Kerry had such tests so they could be more used to the pace and intensity required to win an All Ireland..(i.e lose to an Ulster team but be allowed back in) All teams outside Ulster will have to up their intensity levels so they can be ready for the colossuses that both Tyrone and Armagh are.. I wish Kerry had a second opportunity against these teams so they could be more battle hardened. A change may be required in the system and who knows maybe it is best for all counties in Ireland if the provincials were scrapped... I see it as a little unfair that teams like Kerry get only one chance against Tyrone whereas others will have at least one more chance.. Hope it doesnt sound like sour grapes but i dont see how Kerry will be able to challenge either Tyrone or Armagh if they dont have more serious tests on their way to Croker.. Maybe its time for a move away from the Provincial Set ups... IMO Tyrone and possibly Armagh are a level higher than Kerry who are a level higher than the rest.. Bridging those gaps is vital... and going to be very very difficult.
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Post by squareball on Sept 26, 2005 8:56:42 GMT
Maybe its time for a move away from the Provincial Set ups...
Think you are right Dec. Years ago I think the provincial system suited Kerry and they only needed to peak in August and Septmber. Now the game has changed and you need to be playing at the same level of intensity as other teams throughout the season and Kerry do not get that in Munster. Having said that despite not playing well there was only 3 points in it and I don't think there is need for panic in Kerry..they will be there or thereabouts in 2006
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Post by Basher on Sept 26, 2005 9:40:31 GMT
Firstly, I would like to congratulate Tyrone on a hard earned but thoroughly deserved All-Ireland victory. They won playing good Football, make no mistake about it. I wish however that those "bitter" fans on this forum could just be gracious in defeat and accept that the better team beat us yesterday. Yes it was a great game of football, guaranteed the ones who are saying it wasn't would have sung a different tune had Kerry won or indeed scored a late goal. I would question whether some of the guys on here claiming to be from Kerry, are just on a wind up, I mean talking about five in a row, give me a break. Tyrone made few mistakes, and quickly counteracted our tactics of high ball into the full forward line. We were far too much one dimensional and that proved costly. Despite quite a few misplaced passes and being caught in possession on a few occasions, we still came within a single score of Tyrone. Five of the team are the wrong side of 30 and it showed yesterday. The legs don't have it anymore. I feel bitterly disappointed that we didn't win yesterday, but I don't feel hard done by. The lads gave it their all and just came up a little short. We will be back, don't worry. With the likes of Bryan Sheehan , Kieran Donnaghy, Darren O'Sullivan, Padraig Reidy, Paul O'Connor and a few more coming through the ranks, the future's bright.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Sept 26, 2005 9:43:09 GMT
Maybe its time for a move away from the Provincial Set ups... The arrogance in this county. Can you think of nobody else except ourselves? I'm sure the likes of Laois and Limerick would be delighted with that. Or how do you think Longford might feel denied their Leinster minor triumph 3 years ago? Maybe it's time to move away solely to suit Kerry you mean. Ladies and gentlemen, There is no arguing with the fact that justice was done yesterday. However the one frustration is that we could have won or at least made it closer. I have to question the tactical decision-making, as heretical as it sounds. For 10-15 minutes we moved the ball at speed and consequently scored 1-3. Then we, for no obvious reason, just started to slow everything down, which of course suited Tyrone down to the ground. How many times was the ball received by a man in space, who instead of taking advantage of the extra second to kick low fast (or at least varied) ball into an outstanding full forward line, chose to run the ball until a cul-de-sac was reached, so that either possession was lost or that the player was leaning back so much to avoid the block, that they could only balloon it up in the air? To be honest, I went to this match fearing exposure of a chasm, an unbridgeable gulf. I'm relieved that it doesn't exist, but still slightly disappointed that we didn't, I feel, fulfil our potential. Unlike the O Neill county. The heartiest congratulations on an outstanding display throughout the field. There were no more worthy winners of this year's title, after the heartbreak of crazy referees in the Ulster final. That's how to play football- keep it moving quickly. Speed and surprise- same rules as war. For the first time Ulster has overtaken Connacht in the roll of honour, and they're showing no signs of stopping, going by the Down boys yesterday. Only one bit of cloud lining that silver- Peter Canavan's comments suggesting that their 2003 title was dismissed as a fluke. Where are these invisible and inaudible critics, Peter? Ye've been one of the top teams since at least 2001, everyone recognises this. I n-dil chuimhne ar laoch Thir Eoghain, Cormac Mac an Fhailin, ni feidir libh aon gaisce nios fearr a bhaint amach. Comhghairdeas!
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Post by bannerman on Sept 26, 2005 10:37:58 GMT
Well done to tyrone totally deserved. yee were the better i left croke park yesterday with a number of things running through my head 1)did anyone look at screen at final whistle it said something about a plan b. kerry had no plan b. everyone is talking about our great bench he had no one to bring on yesterday that would make a significant impact. he had no one to do the galvin and hassett job these two had an off day.
2)paidi called us animals what the hell would he call the tyrone players and supporters. the abuse and pushing and shoving we got in hogan stand when tyrone scored was unreal. did anyone see tomas o se get hit by a tyrone supporter when he was leaving the field. cowardly or what.
3)hopefully jack o connor will stay on. i dont think he will leave it at that he will definately want to beat one of the big two before he leaves
4)we are the third best team in the country. we havent beaten big two since 2000. next year we have to play tyrone or armagh in semis so that will be big advantage.
5)one positive from yesterday was darren o sullivan. plenty games for him in league hopefully
6)it was great to see gooch get a few slaps at canavan after canavan took him out
overall what a game one i will never forget. roll on croke park next summer for another crack at northern boyos.
well done to jack and entire panel for great effort throughout the year
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Post by orchardgal on Sept 26, 2005 10:56:05 GMT
I'd like to say well done to both team, it was a hard played match and the stronger team out there yesterday won. It doesn't mean that I'm not bitterly disappointed that Kerry were not the victors but credit where due.
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Post by ciarraiose on Sept 26, 2005 11:08:31 GMT
Maybe its time for a move away from the Provincial Set ups... Think you are right Dec. Years ago I think the provincial system suited Kerry and they only needed to peak in August and Septmber. Now the game has changed and you need to be playing at the same level of intensity as other teams throughout the season and Kerry do not get that in Munster. Having said that despite not playing well there was only 3 points in it and I don't think there is need for panic in Kerry..they will be there or thereabouts in 2006 Kerry need a strong Cork. Funny but true. Yesterday was like veterans against novices; Kerry were up for it, but they weren't prepared for the intensity. Tyrone had 5 hard games - 3 v Armagh, 2 v Dublin. Kerry didn't even have one this year. Corcaigh Abu ! (at least until we beat them in the semis again..... )
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Post by dazarooni on Sept 26, 2005 13:28:11 GMT
Joxer- I am very a gracious winner when we win and a gracious loser when we lose, but it is just pathetic when some people talk about Tyrone and their "puke" football that won them the all ireland. My comments are not aimed at all of you, but to the minority of bitter, sorry Kerry fans who can't accept that Tyrone won the game fair and square, namely Kerry34 and Sparks..
Sparks.. You didn't notice that Kerry tried to kick Dooher off the park? Most of you have been very kind with your comments about Tyrone and are proper gaels. But a small minority need to dry their eyes and stop their crying, you are just pathetic.
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