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Post by Owenabue on Sept 8, 2006 14:30:59 GMT
Thanks for that Jo. Is he alright again?
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Post by eastciarrai on Sept 8, 2006 14:32:58 GMT
The turning point was putting Star in full and the fact that they couldnt play any worse than they were playing. I wouldnt blame Declan or Bryan for that.
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Post by Owenabue on Sept 8, 2006 14:35:57 GMT
From an outsiders point of view I think a lot of you are very hard on Declan O’ Sullivan. But then again Brosnan is a fine player. Is there no in between with you? Players are either made into gods, or else you take the legs clean out from under them.
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Post by eastciarrai on Sept 8, 2006 14:37:39 GMT
As for the case that hes playing well in training well hes playing against 6 lads who know they wont be dropped for final and might not go into a very tough ball to win that they usually would. Actually eastciarri, if he's playing on the first 15 in training, then he's playing against 6 lads who are fighting for a starting position, or at least fighting to be first sub, or first in for an injury. Anyway, if you attended any training session you'd know there isn't much holding back. So hes playing against 6 lads who cant make the first team, that could explain his sudden burst in form aswell. I dont attend training sessions so maybe they do flat out.
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 8, 2006 14:48:16 GMT
i think the tension is starting to get to us lads and lassies, we're bickering. I for one amd started to get excited, a few people here are off next week, so of course the digs are flying, " see ye with Sam when we get back" blah blah...
only one more weekend to the big one, enjoy it and save some money for next weekend......
Ciarrrai for 34
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 8, 2006 14:49:11 GMT
I dont mean to be harsh on declan o sullivan a fine player, its just i am so convinced that the team that started against armagh and cork in croke park is the team to bring sam home. I am just fearful that jack will want his clubmate to lift sam so much that he will at the very least be tempted to play him. I really believe this would unsettle the camp.
P.S i agree playing star on the edge of the square was the turning point but that is only because the ball was going in long and direct. That would not happen as much if declan o sullivan was playing. FACT!
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Post by butchy on Sept 8, 2006 15:08:08 GMT
I Reckon Dec would be better coming on as an impact sub which he has done very well recently and run at tired defenders.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 8, 2006 15:11:48 GMT
Just waiting on a friend to come around with an extendable ladder, and by dinner time the bunting will be attached to the ESB pole outside my house. All the neighbours will be delighted here in Dublin.
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Post by butchy on Sept 8, 2006 15:13:33 GMT
Thats the job. Keep the flag flying high !!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 8, 2006 15:16:03 GMT
I think thats fair enough KN. Mike Frank has had his knockers as well and many people were saying that he should have been dropped after the Armagh game. Same goes for Eoin Brosnan before the Longford game (including myself ). I've been critical (not here mind you) of Declan because of his performances. It has nothing to do with him being from S. Kerry. When he first came on the scene he showed everyone that he is a talented and skillful footballer. Surely he still has both of those qualities, but just needed to get over his bad spell and of course take a little advise from his mentors and team mates. But, if he is to get his place back it must be because he is playing better than so and so in training and importantly that the team is playing better as well.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 8, 2006 15:26:30 GMT
Lads can I make a plea now to stop with all the talk of the Declan/captaincy issue. until the team is actually picked. Its been well mulled over (an understatement if ever there was one) here before and I just hope we can concentrate on football issues and not bring in the whole favouritism/south kerry/tribal crap thats being bandied about here. Lets talk about the All Ireland Final, not get bogged down in one issue that may not even become an issue.
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Post by kerrywoman on Sept 8, 2006 15:27:00 GMT
Anyone know if Kerry team are training this weekend if so where??
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 8, 2006 15:38:04 GMT
From an outsiders point of view I think a lot of you are very hard on Declan O’ Sullivan. But then again Brosnan is a fine player. Is there no in between with you? Players are either made into gods, or else you take the legs clean out from under them. I agree fully. There is lots of talk about a South Kerry bias, and Jack wanting his clubman to get Sam etc. I think its all rubiish. The selectors (not just Jack) will pick the team they think will have the best chance of winning Sam. full stop. Its funny how quiet this thread was until the subject of Declan O Sullivan came up on it and now its crazy busy...
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 8, 2006 15:42:37 GMT
Lads can I make a plea now to stop with all the talk of the Declan/captaincy issue. until the team is actually picked. Its been well mulled over (an understatement if ever there was one) here before and I just hope we can concentrate on football issues and not bring in the whole favouritism/south kerry/tribal crap thats being bandied about here. Lets talk about the All Ireland Final, not get bogged down in one issue that may not even become an issue. hear hear buck
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 8, 2006 15:44:33 GMT
I wont open my mouth again until the team is picked. When is that by the way.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 8, 2006 15:45:17 GMT
probably next wednesday it will be announced
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 8, 2006 16:05:36 GMT
Good man Sullys - my desk here on Monday will be resplendant with a picture of the Gooch or the team or something - the locals won't have a clue.
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Post by Deise Exile on Sept 8, 2006 16:23:48 GMT
Is it true that the kerry team has been named and Declan O'Sullivan is on. Maybe he's going to shadow Macdonald around the pitch. Is it worth the gamble? Has T.Griffin been left out???
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 8, 2006 16:42:13 GMT
Jaysus Luke.. The team wont be picked until next week. steady on
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 8, 2006 17:25:48 GMT
Is it true that the kerry team has been named and Declan O'Sullivan is on. Maybe he's going to shadow Macdonald around the pitch. Is it worth the gamble? Has T.Griffin been left out??? A very controversial first post! It'd be a back not a forward that would shadow McDonald. I've feeling the team have been told if they'll be playing or not but it won't be released to the media for another few days.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 8, 2006 19:37:24 GMT
Is it true that the kerry team has been named and Declan O'Sullivan is on. Maybe he's going to shadow Macdonald around the pitch. Is it worth the gamble? Has T.Griffin been left out??? Feck me. That's a whopper of a post. It's the "Grassy Knoll" of posts!!
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Post by Deise Exile on Sept 8, 2006 19:45:39 GMT
In fairness Declan O'Sullivan is more like an extra defender anyway. And with Kerry now sending in high ball to Donaghy (great to another legend from the stacks in the making by the way) half forwards can get bypassed a little. I reckon Brosnan played at midfield is not the best use of the man. This is a very dangerous game for Kerry, time and destiny could be on Mayo's side!!
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 8, 2006 21:11:38 GMT
Does anybody agree that :
Kerry on form player for player should win easily enough.
If Mortimer is contained Mayo will find scores hard to come by.
Heaney will do better on Donaghy than any other player has done this year.
Kerry may rue not having long distance free taker on the field (assuming Sheehan doesn't start).
MacDonald is no longer what he was and has hit more than his share of stray passes this championship.
MacDonald is Mayo's main man and most attacks go through him. Stop him and you stop Mayo.
Moynihan will be too slow for Mayo's pacy half forward line and will prove weak link to Kerry. Fitzmaurice to come on for Moynihan in first half.
Gooch is due a blinder.
Mayo's hunger will be channelled by shrewd management team into super human performances which will win the day.
Higgins in the corner will not be roasted again.
Mayo will win midfield forcing Kerry to bring out Donaghy thus reverting to non-threatening attack as per early stages of championship.
Mayo are not prolific goalscorers. Kerry can be.
Harte is very underrated.
Nallen to be torn apart by Dec O'Sullivan.
Kerry to write their names in history books as one of the great Kerry teams.
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Post by topcat on Sept 8, 2006 21:17:09 GMT
MFR spends some time on the bench, then busts a gut getting his form back, shows good in training, gets a starting place - and everyone is delighted for him. Dec spends some time on the bench, is currently busting a gut to win back a chance to captain the team, shows good in training (against the same players) - and the mere suggestion of him starting has ye all up in arms. Give him a break lads. FFS & to specifically highlight Dec being dropped to the bench as the reason for Kerry's turnaround is unfair and untrue. If you are going to mention Kerry's turnaround, then please reference all the changes that were made and stop with the personal comments towards Dec. (God, how did we ever win the league this yr and have any success in the last few years, eh.) Are ye so twisted by this south kerry bullsh*t that ye cannot accept that Dec COULD ACTUALLY be playing out of his skin, moving ball fast, taking good scores etc in training and he could be a great addition to the starting 15? I wonder what he he could possible do to win ye over. Heap a bit more pressure on him why don't ye. I agree word for word, i think that Declan was unlucky that his drop to the bench coincided with Kerry's return to form which was really down to star being moved to FF. Im a Dromid man and i have no problem in saying that i would love for Dec to start the next day. Its a massive honour for a small club like ours. I was never so ashamed to be a Kerryman as i was the day in Cork when he was jeered off the pitch. How many people would jeer Moynihan or Marc o shea or Galvin or any others??? All the players are amatuer and can only try their best, nobody goes out to play badly. However if he does'nt make the team the next day then so be it, as long as kerry win then thats all that matters. In response to Jack being biased to SK lads ive one word for it, poppycock. He's never been afraid to drop players for games regardless of their clubs. Im sure there was outrage when MFR was dropped in 2004 but there was nothing biased about that was there? Its his (Jacks) third final in three years so i think at this stage we can trust him to do right for the good for the Kerry team and not solely for the good of his club.
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Post by Boris on Sept 8, 2006 23:36:21 GMT
I hope Cooper is kept on as captain.History has shown that South Kerry captains tend to lose a lot of all ireland finals
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Post by kerryman on Sept 9, 2006 9:45:50 GMT
I hope Cooper is kept on as captain.History has shown that South Kerry captains tend to lose a lot of all ireland finals OH FOR F*CKS SAKE. Will ye drop this captain crap for once and for all. If the team and fans are not united we may as well stay at home next weekend. Forget it. Is there any chance that this thread could be about the game on the 17th rather than politics? Now, to actually talk about the team and who's playing where in training etc... There was talk in this thread yesterday of Brosnan playing midfield on the "b-side" with Declan playing at 11 in the "A-side". There was talk that Brosnan or Tommy Griffin would be dropped with Declan starting at 11. It dawned on me that this may not be the case. They could be just playing Brosnan at midfield in training as the only guy who might mark Daragh in training (without moving Donaghy out to midfield in training). When Daragh plays well, Kerry play well . Jack knows it and needs to keep him and song, possibly to the detriment of maintaining everyone in their rightful position in training. Anyone agree?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 9, 2006 10:59:37 GMT
Prior to the 1982 final........ there was a spat between the local councils of Tralee and Killarney as to which town should have the honour of parading the 5 in a row history making champions around the town first.
At the height of the debate someone said that maybe they were tempting fate but he was laughed at..........
This policy whereby the county champions nominate the captain drives me insane. Darragh O Shea, Mike Mccarthy , Seamus or Tomas or Tom Sullivan or the keeper should be captain.
Just to avoid hassle I hope that Declan isnt picked to start and thats totally unfair on him if he back on form. He is a super footballer and i am a huge fan of him. I dont want Gooch upset if the captaincy is taken away from him given all that has happend to him in the past year.
Donaghy has heaped praise on Declan for the way he was encouraged him even as he himself has been dropped.
Declans heart is in the right place as far as Kerry is concerned. Kerry were a mess before the advent of Donaghy as full forward. If Donaghy had been picked there for the Munster final in Killarney Declan would probably have not been dropped. Declan was trying to forage deep and carry the ball into the forward line as there was no point in kicking it in as Canty was cleaning up.
The treatment of Declan by some supporters has been shameful.
He has responded with dignity.
Keep your chin up Declan. We owe you everything. You owe us nothing.
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Post by topcat on Sept 9, 2006 16:25:21 GMT
Hear hear Mickmack.
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Post by RashersTierney on Sept 10, 2006 9:00:13 GMT
Do yis think O'Neill & Kilcoyne will start for Mayo? They look like the lads to take the responsibility from M & McD
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 10, 2006 9:28:17 GMT
If the collective psyche of Mayo really believe that they can do it........ then Mayo can win.
One caveat about Mayo........
Has their run to the final been too easy......... who knows? Galway lost to Westmeath, Dublin hammered Laois. Mayo struggled past Laois. Dublin committed hari kari on the sideline. Have Mayo peaked?
If this captaincy insanity causes disharmony in Kerry, then all bets are off.
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