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Post by puckaroo on Aug 29, 2006 11:49:20 GMT
That's IF we win!!!
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 29, 2006 12:35:31 GMT
The captaincy issue is extra important this year - no number 13 has ever captained a winning side. However while 13 is unlucky for some, Kerry won the All-Ireland in 1913 proving 13 is a lucky number for Kerry.
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Post by eastciarrai on Aug 29, 2006 12:37:16 GMT
Does it REALLY matter who collects the sam?? quote] Im sure it matters to who would collect it (if they win to collect it ) ( be it mayo or kerry)
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Post by lampard on Aug 29, 2006 12:46:30 GMT
What number was Dinny Allen in 89??
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2006 12:53:35 GMT
no.14 i'd say.
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Post by kerryman on Aug 29, 2006 12:58:16 GMT
What number was Dinny Allen in 89?? I'm trying to find out (it was mentioned on the Last Word yesterday that he was 13, but they weren't sure).
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Post by diehard on Aug 29, 2006 13:04:02 GMT
Is hatchet a south kerryman by any chance wanting Declan O Sullivan to pilfer the armband
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 29, 2006 13:14:25 GMT
What number was Dinny Allen in 89?? Dinny was full forward.
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Post by butchy on Aug 29, 2006 13:14:45 GMT
Dinny Allen was 14 in 89. Paul McGrath was 13. No 13 has ever captained a win football all Ireland team. There have been 2 losing captains in Colm O'Rourke and Philip Clifford !!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2006 13:47:47 GMT
its easily solved,give the gooch no.15 if dec doesnt start.
no point getting bogged down with these things with the roscommon minors and mayo seniors in '51,and the no.13 etc.
remember all the talk last year about '78 and '06,re the welsh rugby team,liverpool team winning the champions league,kerry winning sam,the new pope etc.
kerry still lost the final though.
still it might be no harm to throw colm the no.15 and mfr the no.13 and double the size of the steaks for the minors.
no point in taking chances either.
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Post by seamus on Aug 29, 2006 14:29:53 GMT
Just remember one thing:
KERRY IS THE KINGDOM!
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Post by JOAN on Aug 29, 2006 19:12:53 GMT
According to the GAA rules no sub can be captain. The gooch hads been named for that reason.
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Post by seamus on Sept 7, 2006 11:18:08 GMT
With the reports that Declan OSullivan has been lining out at 11 in training, how do people feel about him replacing Brosnan in the final? Justified or is the manager showing biase?
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 7, 2006 12:52:22 GMT
Personally, I think Brosnan should hold his place.
Also, in regards to the captaincy, in the end it doesn't really matter who collects it, once Kerry win it. I know there's local pride and that to be considered, but at the end of the day surely we can just all be happy once it comes home to Kerry, no matter where it goes first !
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Post by FatTom on Sept 7, 2006 15:09:09 GMT
With the reports that Declan OSullivan has been lining out at 11 in training, how do people feel about him replacing Brosnan in the final? Justified or is the manager showing biase? If he is fying in training then fair enough. Pick based on form. Remember Crowley in 2004 and how that worked out. He was very impressive in his last 2 games.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 7, 2006 16:04:09 GMT
who then does the axe fall apon to change a winning team of 3 games, which may i add a team that beat serious all-ireland contenders in armagh and the team that beat us in munster.
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Post by topcat on Sept 7, 2006 22:50:41 GMT
who then does the axe fall apon to change a winning team of 3 games, which may i add a team that beat serious all-ireland contenders in armagh and the team that beat us in munster. Well it fell on Mike Frank in 2004 and the rest as they say is history...
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Post by RashersTierney on Sept 11, 2006 10:08:19 GMT
MickMack, do you still think the goalkeeper should be captain?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 12, 2006 23:15:48 GMT
who then does the axe fall apon to change a winning team of 3 games, which may i add a team that beat serious all-ireland contenders in armagh and the team that beat us in munster. Eoin Brosnan. Time to accept the reality of it now. We may not be happy, but well, Jack has taken a huge gamble - win and he'll have won two All Irelands in three years and got to the final of the middle one. Lose and he'll be hounded for months for changing a winning team. Some gamble to take in your last game!
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Post by FatTom on Sept 12, 2006 23:32:06 GMT
Big time. If it fails and Declan plays poorly he's gonna get an awful reaction. Can't imagine Crokes being too happy either. Brosnan was having a massive year for me. I know Declan is flying but I just think this captaincy thing is very messy.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 13, 2006 0:23:27 GMT
The clubs have to take responsibility for the captaincy issue. The rule is that the County Champions nominate the captain but it was never implied that they should pick one of their own players. I'm sure it was hoped that they'd pick an experienced player who was guaranteed his spot rather the current situation where they'll always pick their own player even if he's a 19 year old rookie who's only on the team because half the squad went down with the chicken pox. It's also very confusing what happens when the County champions have no representative on the team. Do they get to nominate someone else on the team? Does it automatically go to the County Championship runners up? Or in the case where the County Champions are a divisional side, should it go to the club championship winners who are Kerry's representative in the Munster club championship? Personally I think the captaincy means more to the clubs than the players. The players care more about winning an All-Ireland. In 2001, do you think Eoin Brosnan wanted to take the captaincy off Seamus Moynihan? You can be sure he didn't. Dr. Crokes forced him to take the captaincy off Seamus Moynihan. Most fans don't care either. Just win the feckin game and whoever's first to the top of the steps of the Hogan Stand can lift Sam!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2006 8:14:29 GMT
who then does the axe fall apon to change a winning team of 3 games, which may i add a team that beat serious all-ireland contenders in armagh and the team that beat us in munster. Eoin Brosnan. Time to accept the reality of it now. We may not be happy, but well, Jack has taken a huge gamble - win and he'll have won two All Irelands in three years and got to the final of the middle one. Lose and he'll be hounded for months for changing a winning team. Some gamble to take in your last game! home town call,make no mistake about it,some of the crap i've heard from south kerry last weekend told me in my mind what was coming. I'd say there will be a lot of angry people in killarney this morning. there will be war in kerry next week if as you call it stacks"some gamble in his last game"doesn't come off. this sickens my b******* 5 days before an all-ireland final.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 13, 2006 8:18:01 GMT
I don't agree with the way the captain is chosen. Its complete nonsense.
More importantly I don't think 4 days before the final is the day to go mad about it.
Calm down lads. There's a job to be done on Sunday. We know what happened the last time Kerry and the fans lost the plot over the captaincy.
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Post by kerry50 on Sept 13, 2006 8:25:40 GMT
[quote author=kerrygold board=general thread=1156150219 post=1158135269 home town call,make no mistake about it,some of the crap i've heard from south kerry last weekend told me in my mind what was coming. I'd say there will be a lot of angry people in killarney this morning. there will be war in kerry next week if as you call it stacks"some gamble in his last game"doesn't come off. this sickens my b******* 5 days before an all-ireland final. [/quote] What crap have u heard from South Kerry 'kerrygold' as far as i know their are 2 selectors from Killarney & Tralee picking the team with Jack and i remember a couple of years ago Jack O Connor dropped Declan for an U-21 Munster final.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Sept 13, 2006 8:33:57 GMT
a bad selection for kerry. i think ye have done mayo a favour there. not just because declan hasnt played well this summer, but because it might have a bad effect on the morale of the team. brosnan, apart form the goals, hasnt scored a point yet this year and hasnt played well. i dont know why they havnt played fitzmaurice at centre forward this championship season. he was good there during the league and has done well in all the games he came on.
is there a few parrallels emerging to that 2001 game? kerry in a change strip disputes about the captaincy
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Post by seamus on Sept 13, 2006 8:57:22 GMT
When i raised this thread people told me it was'nt an issue and to get behind the team. I can tell you it is a massive issue now and there is serious blood boiling in Killarney today. Brosnan dropped Gooch no longer captain The fact that a Legion man is a selector has thickened the plot among a few diehards.
The captaincy and Dromid connection has got Declan back on the team. He may be going well in training but his style of play does not suit what we are trying to do. FAST BALL IN.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 13, 2006 9:05:51 GMT
declan hasnt played well this summer, You weren't watching the last three games - Declan improved steadily in each one and was as good as most of our forwards by the Cork game. Won scores, ball and frees. Putting him on may/may not be the right call, but at least show a bit of accuracy.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 13, 2006 9:21:50 GMT
When i raised this thread people told me it was'nt an issue and to get behind the team. I can tell you it is a massive issue now and there is serious blood boiling in Killarney today. Brosnan dropped Gooch no longer captain The fact that a Legion man is a selector has thickened the plot among a few diehards. The captaincy and Dromid connection has got Declan back on the team. He may be going well in training but his style of play does not suit what we are trying to do. FAST BALL IN. Gooch was always only ever a vice captain. If, as I think everyone feels should be the case, Moynihan had benn captain year in year out for a number of years. Say he was dropped or injusred for a few games and, say Dara O se, was ,made captain. If Moynihan was brought back in then he would be reinstated as captain and without any fuss.. Gooch can have any complaints. it was a stand in role until Declan O sullivan won his place back, which he did on merit. Heres an interesting one though. It surely must be the first time ever that the all Ireland senior and minor trophies have the chance to spend the winter in the same parish but in two different clubs.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2006 10:06:38 GMT
home town call,make no mistake about it,some of the crap i've heard from south kerry last weekend told me in my mind what was coming.this sickens my b******* 5 days before an all-ireland final. Under what circumstances would you have accepted a return to the starting 15 by Declan?! Remembering that Declan was first brought into the squad in June 2002 at the age of 19 by P Ó Sé for the qualifiers campaign, and first given a C'ship start in June 2003 by P Ó Sé - (home town decision then - no. Recognition of an outstanding footballer - yes. - Could he be back to full form again - yes!) Declan has started nearly every C'ship game since then, has been outstanding in many games along the way, and might it just maybe be possible that he has bust a gut to get back and adjusted his game to the team's tactics?? - yes!! i believe in keeping a winning team in place that turned a season and got us back into an ireland final and keeping harmony in the camp. i'd have no problem with declan coming in after 5 10 20 of 50 minutes if need be. i'd imagine if we won colm would proberly stand back if declan was on the field and let him collect the cup as he is captain of the panel and team. maybe they would both collect it if we won. i've nothing against declan,i rate him a class footballer and during the munster championship i said we would need to have declan,colm and mike frank firing on all cylinders to win sam. sunday is a huge opportunity for declan,his club,south kerry,kerry and jack,i'm sure declan will be really up for it now, and if reports are true coming from training, could possible have a huge game for kerry on sunday. i still think we should have kept a settled winning team in place,i was of he few people on this forum that said kerry could win the all-ireland at the start of the year when the forum was riddled with pessimessim about kerrys chances. i still believe kerry can and will win on sunday if the spirt to do so is amongst the lads.
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Post by thehighfield on Sept 13, 2006 10:31:05 GMT
Kerrygold, Seamus,
Maybe the good people of Killarney need a bit of a reality check if this is making their blood boil. Ye are coming across more anti-Declan than pro-Brosnan.
kerrygold:
After 5 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whats your *insert curse* problem so if he comes on after 0 minutes?
Seamus:
I think you might have hit the nail on the head - Killarney wanted a winning captain, because otherwise you have no excuse to get annoyed if a captain returns to a team and demotes the vice-captain.
You might just have hit the mark with your argument that I definitely agree with you on that one, but damn me, if you throw enough darts one of them is bound to hit the bullseye :-)
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