Kerry v Tyrone, NFL Rd5 03/03/24 Fitzgerald Stadium @ 1.15pm

[oldschool]

Mar 3, 2024 15:50:37 GMT royalkerryfan said:

One very noticeable difference was Shane Ryan was very quick getting that ball on the T today.

[thehermit]

An angry Kerry side out on the pitch today, understandable...

[oldschool]

Mar 3, 2024 16:24:25 GMT patshamrock said:

Mar 3, 2024 15:37:12 GMT oldschool said:

Great display. Many great individual displays .
Delighted to see Kickout issue has been addressed (as was referenced by J O C last week)
It surely paid dividends
I thought ref had a few blunders Any ideas? 

Thought he should have left advantage play out twice that I counted for us when a pass was made or just about to be made to free men in dangerous positions.

[Kerryman Randy Savage]

Mar 3, 2024 16:37:01 GMT southward said:

Coldrick was awful but nothing new there. Weak referee who gives the impression he has no idea what's going on.

You'd think Coldrick would have spent his enforced free time since Leitrim v New York last year to learn the rules of Gaelic Football.

The return of the bleep failures will see a marked increase in poor officiating. Better off casting them all aside for some new blood.

[mainevalley]

A better attitude today against a poor Tyrone side. It doesn't hide the fact Dublin are miles ahead of us at the moment.
Initially surprised at Murphy staying corner back on Darragh Canavan. Canavan is a class act really. Thought Murphy done better than most on him. The thinking must have been that Murphy's one of the smartest defenders and he was a good foil for Canavan. I still think Canavan had the upper hand but it just goes to show you how highly thought of Murphy is still!
I thought we were hungrier for breaks around the middle, must have been highlighted in the review. Sean O Brien can be used come championship and Diarmuid can go forward a bit more if Adrian spillane and joe holding. I suppose the day was horses for courses.

[kerryblueboy]

Just in from the game few observations much better at kick outs and much better defensive structure Diarmuid was excellent at midfield we looked really good when we moved the ball quickly on the other side I am very disappointed with Joe at midfield wasn’t very good today he is struggling with the pace of the games and aside from his brilliant score taking David needs to be careful he could easily have seen red today whatever is going on off the ball he can’t lose the head like he did a couple of times today

[mike70]

Good performance across the park, notable mentions for Dara Moy , Gavin Whiteand Adrian Spillane all brought alot to today’s victory.
A bit disappointed in the Tyrone performance, but we can only take what’s put in front of us.

Well done to all involved.

[The16thMan]

Mar 3, 2024 17:56:00 GMT kerryblueboy said:

Just in from the game few observations much better at kick outs and much better defensive structure Diarmuid was excellent at midfield we looked really good when we moved the ball quickly on the other side I am very disappointed with Joe at midfield wasn’t very good today he is struggling with the pace of the games and aside from his brilliant score taking David needs to be careful he could easily have seen red today whatever is going on off the ball he can’t lose the head like he did a couple of times today

Noticed the same regarding Joe myself. Seems to lack a bit of pace, I'd be cautious if he was to be matched up against the likes of Ruane, Fenton, Glass or Rogers come Championship as he'll struggle to track them. Now to some positives, thought Paul Murphy did well in the corner back position on Darragh Canavan and can be happy with his performance. Gavin White was very good running at Tyrone defence also. I liked how our midfield looked with Sean O'Brien & Adrian Spillane helping out and also with Cillian Burke to come back (hopefully as he missed today after picking up a hamstring strain in training). Also felt there was times we linked up together as a unit without being spectacular. Still things to tidy up on such as handling, taking potential goal chances but today was a step in the right direction for sure.

[dano]

I thought Goldrick blew for frees twice when advantage and, more importantly, goals were on. Slowed down the game a bit and Kerry should have won by more. All the same there was a huge improvement today. The Tyrone Sharpshooters weren't left the space Mayo left them and wasted a pile of efforts. Dara Moynahan, Diarmuid OConnor and Gavin were outstanding on a day when you couldn't say anyone was below par. Dublin are looking good but is a win over an understrength Derry and a victory over a misfiring Kerry the barometer of how good they really are?

[kerryexile5]

Dublin are current all Ireland champions and let’s be honest are in a really really good place with Cluxton, Fitzsimmons, McCarthy, Mannion, McCaffrey, Basquel, Costello (only came on as a late sub) all to come back.

Derry were no more understrength than Dublin last night and I thought the Dubs bet them out the gate but it didn’t show on the board.

That said it’s only March and every team can be beaten on their day especially in knockout championship.

[royalkerryfan]

Having watched Dublin last night and Kerry today its hard not to feel the year is already a forgone conclusion.

March or not Kerry seem a few levels below Dublin.

I've never been more pessimistic than I am now.

[greenandgold]

Great to see the improved performance today and most players today will be happy to v happy with their own performance- definitely still some sharpness missing - i felt we were ‘neary’ great on a few movements but still lacking a bit on execution - that should come. I’ve alot of time for Paul
Murphy as a thoroughbred defender and he only reinforced that today - brilliant on a few occasions.
A few concerns - main one is it still looks like Dubs are well ahead but it is Mar. Other concern is injuries- hopefully we now have a few months with leas intensity of matches (until group stages assuming we avoid/missout on league final- dependant on ur thoughts )

[chicago09]

I actually think we are in a good place this early in the season loosing to Dublin not a big deal as none of them played well and there is a long way to go till July when we need to peak anyway. Only thing is until obeaglaioch and tom Sull come back we are very thin in the back. Still think Casey should have gotten another chance today would have been a good test. We are more or less safe now and think Jack should start those subs next day and really find out what they got. Playing ten or fifteen minutes is very hard to make an impression.

[john4]

Mar 3, 2024 19:54:20 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Having watched Dublin last night and Kerry today its hard not to feel the year is already a forgone conclusion.

March or not Kerry seem a few levels below Dublin.

I've never been more pessimistic than I am now.

After hearing Ciaran Kilkenny's comments and tribute their much admired former selector, Shane O'Hanlon yesterday evening following his sudden passing mid February, I get the sense that they're on a mission to win the league in his honour.

Dublin were mediocre at best in their first 2 league matches, since February 17th, they're like a team possessed.

Might be reading too much into this but they're not usually this hot this early since I don't know when

[anriochtabu23]

Mar 3, 2024 18:45:34 GMT The16thMan said:

Mar 3, 2024 17:56:00 GMT kerryblueboy said:

Just in from the game few observations much better at kick outs and much better defensive structure Diarmuid was excellent at midfield we looked really good when we moved the ball quickly on the other side I am very disappointed with Joe at midfield wasn’t very good today he is struggling with the pace of the games and aside from his brilliant score taking David needs to be careful he could easily have seen red today whatever is going on off the ball he can’t lose the head like he did a couple of times today

Noticed the same regarding Joe myself. Seems to lack a bit of pace, I'd be cautious if he was to be matched up against the likes of Ruane, Fenton, Glass or Rogers come Championship as he'll struggle to track them. Now to some positives, thought Paul Murphy did well in the corner back position on Darragh Canavan and can be happy with his performance. Gavin White was very good running at Tyrone defence also. I liked how our midfield looked with Sean O'Brien & Adrian Spillane helping out and also with Cillian Burke to come back (hopefully as he missed today after picking up a hamstring strain in training). Also felt there was times we linked up together as a unit without being spectacular. Still things to tidy up on such as handling, taking potential goal chances but today was a step in the right direction for sure.

I thought JOC had a nice burst of speed when he first made an impression in '22. Maybe the ACL has affected him a bit in that regard.

[royalkerryfan]

Mar 3, 2024 21:17:07 GMT john4 said:

Mar 3, 2024 19:54:20 GMT royalkerryfan said:

Having watched Dublin last night and Kerry today its hard not to feel the year is already a forgone conclusion.

March or not Kerry seem a few levels below Dublin.

I've never been more pessimistic than I am now.

After hearing Ciaran Kilkenny's comments and tribute their much admired former selector, Shane O'Hanlon yesterday evening following his sudden passing mid February, I get the sense that they're on a mission to win the league in his honour.

Dublin were mediocre at best in their first 2 league matches, since February 17th, they're like a team possessed.

Might be reading too much into this but they're not usually this hot this early since I don't know when

They looked so dynamic last night.

The movement of their forwards and the speed of their play was top class.

We had none of that today.

[crokes86]

It’s only March and a lot can happen but Dublin look really impressive for this time of year .
Fenton is flying Kilkenny is back to his best Bugler has been impressive Callaghan is hitting form.
You add Basquel and Mannion to that forward line it’s going to be hard to stop them .
Howard will end up starting midfield with Fenton he’s playing well
McCarthy will be a huge improvement to their half back line along with McCaffrey
Gannon is playing well at the back and Murchan .
You add Cluxton and Fitzsimons it’s hard to see them getting beat the year
Kerry will be there or there abouts but it’s hard to Kerry Derry Mayo or Tyrone stopping them .
I think we’re just lacking a few players and that quality depth in the panel right now .

[southward]

Were the Alliance League Sunday highlights supplied by Tyrone GAA tonight? Normally you expect the scores shown to be representative of how a game went but anyone looking at that package, and not knowing any better, would think that Tyrone won handily.

[john4]

Forget the Munster championship. It's a joke.

The 1st round of the championship is the weekend of May 18th. 10 weeks away.

We'll be staying in Division 1 next year. Mission accomplished I'd say

[oldschool]

Question:
Is it time that David Coldrick moved on?

[anriochtabu23]

Mar 3, 2024 21:54:38 GMT crokes86 said:

It’s only March and a lot can happen but Dublin look really impressive for this time of year .
Fenton is flying Kilkenny is back to his best Bugler has been impressive Callaghan is hitting form.
You add Basquel and Mannion to that forward line it’s going to be hard to stop them .
Howard will end up starting midfield with Fenton he’s playing well
McCarthy will be a huge improvement to their half back line along with McCaffrey
Gannon is playing well at the back and Murchan .
You add Cluxton and Fitzsimons it’s hard to see them getting beat the year
Kerry will be there or there abouts but it’s hard to Kerry Derry Mayo or Tyrone stopping them .
I think we’re just lacking a few players and that quality depth in the panel right now .

I think McCarthy could be a weakness for them this year. He is an all time great but time stays still for no man. Similar with Fitzsimmons too. The call regarding McCarthy will be difficult to manage. Bit like Paidi O'Se in '88. I think Fitzsimons would be more accepting of a subs role.

[kerry4sam88]

Mar 3, 2024 22:16:58 GMT oldschool said:

Question:
Is it time that David Coldrick moved on?

I think so but then again you're always going to have a lot of inconsistent and poor referees. For me only David Gough, Sean Hurson, Conor Lane and Paddy Neilan I'd be comfortable enough with refereeing a big championship match involving Kerry come the summer

[kerry4sam88]

Great to get the win today much improved from last week we looked a lot more solid defensively and thought we showed that bit of hunger around the middle for the breaking ball which we lacked last weekend.

Gavin White for me simply outstanding today. His penetrating runs Tyrone simply couldn't handle. There simply is no better sight than seeing the Killarney flyer in full turbo mode bypassing friend and foe underneath the shadow of the McGillicuddy Reeks. Also special mention to Dara Moynihan and Paul Murphy who I thought had an excellent second half and his reading of the game is still I think a huge benefit to us.

Hopefully get the win in The Hyde in 2 weeks to cement our place in the division and then use the Galway match to try out a few of the fringe players.

[colinsworth1]

Very well said agree totally

[colinsworth1]

Mar 3, 2024 22:16:58 GMT oldschool said:

Question:
Is it time that David Coldrick moved on?

Long past time
Blew the whistle much too often today nearly ruined what was a good contest he needs to play advantage more and nearly lost control of the game at one point
Absolutely no friend of Kerry

[colinsworth1]

Mar 4, 2024 0:12:54 GMT colinsworth1 said:

Very well said agree totally

Gavin is a serious weapon put the fear in opposition when he runs at then I would back him to run at the opposition more
Understanding that it won’t work every time so be it
But today I knew he had the legs on his opponent but he put the handbrake on I’d rather that he use his phenomenal speed to punish the opposition more

[homerj]

i think if we get a win v Roscommon, then Galway will see 9 or 10 changes - lads that have been injured will be put in.

the team v Roscommon will be as close as possible to the championship starting 15.

if i am right, i think its likely that we have no chance of getting to a league final even if we win our last 2 games as Derry and Dublin would still probably beat us on head to head.

beat Roscommon hopefully and then thats our league finished essentially

[royalkerryfan]

Mar 4, 2024 9:25:48 GMT homerj said:

i think if we get a win v Roscommon, then Galway will see 9 or 10 changes - lads that have been injured will be put in.

the team v Roscommon will be as close as possible to the championship starting 15.

if i am right, i think its likely that we have no chance of getting to a league final even if we win our last 2 games as Derry and Dublin would still probably beat us on head to head.

beat Roscommon hopefully and then thats our league finished essentially

Yeah Dublin would have to drop points and its hard to see that against Tyrone or Galway.

A strong performance in the Hyde and hopefully give fellas a run against Galway.

Hopefully Breen, OBeaghlaoich, Spillane would be right for that one.

OBrien at HB worked week yesterday so I'd like to see that continued.

Any word on the seriousness of Cillian Burkes injury ?

We were much poorer at HF yesterday without him.

[Attacking Wing Back]

A solid workman like performance against a poor Tyrone team and nothing more than that. Some accurate kicking by the usual suspects when given time and space. Paul Murphy did well in the corner.

Gavin did a lot of his ball carrying down the middle yesterday as opposed to next to the sideline which makes him harder to defend against. Normally he hares off down the left or right and defenders can use the sideline as an extra man and corral him into a cul de sac. O’Brien looked solid as well in the half backline and hopefully he can push on so we can add depth to our defensive options.

I agree with those RE Joe O’Connor. He doesn’t seem to be as quick as he was pre ACL. However it’s his first few months back and it normally is a players second season back after an ACL that a they hit their stride. Even outside of that I think his discipline in the tackle is very poor and could cost us in the summer. He gave away a number of frees. At one stage towards the end of the opening half he shouldered a lad in the back ( it was so obvious even Coldrick could see it) and then goes mental when the free is given trying to pull the Tyrone lad off the ground and roaring at the ref.

Kickouts were much better but, Tyrone were not exactly pressing to the extreme either. Watching from on high in the terrace we press the kickouts and if we don’t win or engage the receiver everyone drops back into our own half.

[horsebox77]

What a difference a week makes on both sides of the white lines, similar on here, the tone and demeanour of submissions, understandably, mirrors the score line come final whistle.

As the old saying goes, every team and management learn more in defeat than victory, in that regard, I am pleased that issues exploited by Dublin were addressed in preparation of the Tyrone visit. There was a vast improvement in Kickouts, from both a shape, press and speed to get in position, this enabled Shane get the kicks off early and as a result we were able to evade the Tyrone press or get the possession before they got in position. This ploy was very effective, and a few scores came directly from this. One point comes to mind, from Ryan to Seanie to Paudie, a white flag rases within ten seconds.

Similarly, our defensive shape, as well as speed in the counterattack was a vast improvement on what we were discussing seven days ago.

From a player’s point of view, the inclusion of Adrain and Sean O’Brien added much needed physicality, Adrain was involved in a good few turnovers, His positioning too, assisted Tadgh and very little was coming through the centre as a result. Being clubmates cannot be underestimated here. In addition, I have to commend the resolve shown by Foley, seven days on from a lambasting, he nullified both McCurry and Canavan when pitted against them. Gavin too was my man of the match, even if TG4 pumped for Diarmuid.

I still think we are in trouble in midfield, the latter O’Conner wasn’t involved in much of the play compared to the rest of the middle eight, appears one paced, previously with Stacks, his speciality was to break the tackle and burst, whereas now he is getting the ball and kicking more, however, I think in his head his is marking or trying to nullify the opposing midfielder, as opposed, to creating or playing his own game. It was disappointing that Cillian Bourke cried off, I think both he and Adrain either side of Paudie has more balance.

Looking ahead, Roscommon look certain for the drop, along with Monaghan, I don’t think Jack is too bothered on a league final, Sunday week could afford us look at more fringe players, if fit, game time for Breen and Beagleoich, would be welcome, even looking at Sean O’Brien or Cillian as an option with Diarmuid might be no harm.

Either way, the most pleasing apart from the two points, was the lessons learned and the primary issues exposed in Croker were at least looked at short term, with maybe more enhancement hereafter..