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Post by dano on Feb 29, 2024 16:30:18 GMT
Exactly Royal. It hasn't been sitting well with Dublin Fans that our DC has been stealing the limelight in recent years. Whatever slump Con was in over the last few years seems to be behind him now.A few more performances like the last 2 weeks and he'll compete with Conor Glass for foty.Good luck to Con on that.That aside,I watched the Dublin game again there on gaago. David Clifford could actually have outscored Con in that match but for a few close calls. He hasn't gone away! neither have Kerry. They didn't get bad overnight and I expect a fierce response against Tyrone Sunday.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 29, 2024 18:57:44 GMT
Con O Callaghan is an exceptional footballer and hurler. He is in the top 3 forwards in the game. His issue under Dessie was the slow play the unwillingness too kick the ball into him. Unfortunately for all of us that looks to have changed. His ability to take on his man and get a score is class. I'd be writing someone like Con off at your peril. One factor was bringing Eoghan O Donnell into the panel with a view to nullifying DC. It backfired big time when he injured Con in the first training session.
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Post by dano on Mar 1, 2024 1:24:11 GMT
Didn't know that part about Eoghan O Donnell. If Jim Deenihan hadn't broken his leg in "82 the 5 in a row would've been done too. Such is sport. unpredictable as life itself.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 1, 2024 6:48:17 GMT
Lots of guys making valid but radical team selections, all well and good, but the reality our selections won’t move far from current selection.
But some of my takeaways over last few games, but not panicking one bit.
Guys need to up their individual performances and the decision making with it on field. We need to resolve our defensive structure as a team, FB line left totally exposed against Dublin, this was a root cause of previous dips in results. Midfielders need to stand up and be MF in the Moran ilk. Is Seanie 11 or 14, every time a fire he is out, which means no constant partner for DC, partnerships need to develop, time together required, let’s make our mind up. Our bench is struggling, we want Jack to use the bench, they must help turn games and close out games, it’s not there on either level, might improve with returning injuries. Just maybe we are off the top 2 for now, only reason we might be hanging in there is DC.
Looking for a win and performance Sunday.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2024 8:25:18 GMT
Ah look we all know Jack won't venture very far from the tried and trusted, in previous stints in charge he tinkered here and there but all those changes, Star, Brosnan and Mike Mac they weren't radical and they and club experience in that role.
I all honesty unless, O'Beagleoich or Tom Sullivan for fit, I can't see many changes in defense, unless Heimrick goes to the wing with a reshuffle, outside that maybe Paul Murphy...
Despite all our preferred changes etc, The only inclusion I can actually see is Adrain Spillane at wing forward.
The reality is, our panel is what it is, I don't think there is any player out there at club level that hasn't been given a fair crack, our been over looked... barring injuries.. we are where we are.
I am expecting a more cohesive display though. Looking ahead, this is actually a key game, six points will keep us up, A win on Sunday will leave us above our two league games/teams, Galway and Roscommon, a loss for us and a win for any of these two would leave them a point ahead of us....
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Post by mainevalley on Mar 1, 2024 8:57:21 GMT
Ah look we all know Jack won't venture very far from the tried and trusted, in previous stints in charge he tinkered here and there but all those changes, Star, Brosnan and Mike Mac they weren't radical and they and club experience in that role. I all honesty unless, O'Beagleoich or Tom Sullivan for fit, I can't see many changes in defense, unless Heimrick goes to the wing with a reshuffle, outside that maybe Paul Murphy... Despite all our preferred changes etc, The only inclusion I can actually see is Adrain Spillane at wing forward. The reality is, our panel is what it is, I don't think there is any player out there at club level that hasn't been given a fair crack, our been over looked... barring injuries.. we are where we are. I am expecting a more cohesive display though. Looking ahead, this is actually a key game, six points will keep us up, A win on Sunday will leave us above our two league games/teams, Galway and Roscommon, a loss for us and a win for any of these two would leave them a point ahead of us.... The answer could be to put burke straight into the midfield, it's probably a year or two sooner than I would have hoped to put him there and leave himself and Diarmuid form a partnership. I've no doubt burke will finish up there anyway.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 1, 2024 9:46:13 GMT
Much to the annoyance of posters on here I am generally upbeat and optimistic.
I'd normally be really looking forward too 8pm this evening to see our team and then Sunday.
But I'm finding it hard to shake last Sat.
League or not, February or not, it was as poor a defeat as I remember going back to Meath in 2001.
No other game will erase that performance until and if we play Dublin again.
Sorry this is overly negative but it's not shifted all week.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2024 10:16:29 GMT
Ah look we all know Jack won't venture very far from the tried and trusted, in previous stints in charge he tinkered here and there but all those changes, Star, Brosnan and Mike Mac they weren't radical and they and club experience in that role. I all honesty unless, O'Beagleoich or Tom Sullivan for fit, I can't see many changes in defense, unless Heimrick goes to the wing with a reshuffle, outside that maybe Paul Murphy... Despite all our preferred changes etc, The only inclusion I can actually see is Adrain Spillane at wing forward. The reality is, our panel is what it is, I don't think there is any player out there at club level that hasn't been given a fair crack, our been over looked... barring injuries.. we are where we are. I am expecting a more cohesive display though. Looking ahead, this is actually a key game, six points will keep us up, A win on Sunday will leave us above our two league games/teams, Galway and Roscommon, a loss for us and a win for any of these two would leave them a point ahead of us.... The answer could be to put burke straight into the midfield, it's probably a year or two sooner than I would have hoped to put him there and leave himself and Diarmuid form a partnership. I've no doubt burke will finish up there anyway. Highly possible, again, no better place than Killarney, similarly, as we were in trouble both defensively and on our kickouts there is also merit in starting Sean O'Brien at wing back, which may kill two birds with one stone. If we take it that Tom hasn't recovered, than that would give you a half back line of Gavin, Tadgh and Sean, with Graham falling back into the corner.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 1, 2024 12:50:06 GMT
Much to the annoyance of posters on here I am generally upbeat and optimistic. I'd normally be really looking forward too 8pm this evening to see our team and then Sunday. But I'm finding it hard to shake last Sat. League or not, February or not, it was as poor a defeat as I remember going back to Meath in 2001. No other game will erase that performance until and if we play Dublin again. Sorry this is overly negative but it's not shifted all week. Same, no way a Kerry team was sent out to throw a game against Dublin in Croker regardless or time of year/competition. I'm an ethereal optimist when it comes to Kerry GAA but last Saturday left a very very bad odour. That performance and result will be in the back of most Kerry supporters minds now for the rest of the year, can't imagine it won't be the same for most of the players. Begining to wonder if Jack's third stint is going to be a carbon copy of his second - brilliant start then petters out. I'm heading home to go to Killarney on Sunday but honestly questioning whether the boys deserve mine or the other support that will be there for them on Sunday given we had to pay to watch that muck last weekend - I make no bones about being an effin animal at times, though it would be the silent protest type
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 1, 2024 17:15:15 GMT
One could drive themselves crazy dwelling on last Saturday. Kerry definitely did not do themselves justice but there’s no shame in losing to Dublin in Croke Park these days either, as most teams will. It certainly does not make us a bad side but I suppose it’s the knowledge that we’re not the best any more that really hurts Kerry supporters deep down.
I think we have an excellent and very experienced management team in place, and there’s no doubt they have trawled the county for the best players available and willing to commit. One of most successful and experienced managers at all levels Jack O’Connor, is basically working at this full time. The result is we have a fine Kerry team representing us that remains close to the big prize.
Of course, critically one can argue legitimately the team remains an unbalanced side but that’s because the talent at our disposal these days is not endless. We simply do not have the playing resources with the necessary size and athleticism to match what market leaders Dublin now produce. After years of trying, this Kerry side managed to grab one All Ireland deservedly in 2022, and they’ll do well to grab another one before this decade is out. I still believe Dublin could be caught in a one-off game, and especially as long as our footballing colossus David Clifford strides insides the white lines for Kerry, we have a real chance.
For now, we just have to park last Saturday and keep going, and I’m looking forward to a cracking contest with Tyrone. Up the Kingdom!
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Post by veteran on Mar 1, 2024 19:15:48 GMT
One could drive themselves crazy dwelling on last Saturday. Kerry definitely did not do themselves justice but there’s no shame in losing to Dublin in Croke Park these days either, as most teams will. It certainly does not make us a bad side but I suppose it’s the knowledge that we’re not the best any more that really hurts Kerry supporters deep down. I think we have an excellent and very experienced management team in place, and there’s no doubt they have trawled the county for the best players available and willing to commit. One of most successful and experienced managers at all levels Jack O’Connor, is basically working at this full time. The result is we have a fine Kerry team representing us that remains close to the big prize. Of course, critically one can argue legitimately the team remains an unbalanced side but that’s because the talent at our disposal these days is not endless. We simply do not have the playing resources with the necessary size and athleticism to match what market leaders Dublin now produce. After years of trying, this Kerry side managed to grab one All Ireland deservedly in 2022, and they’ll do well to grab another one before this decade is out. I still believe Dublin could be caught in a one-off game, and especially as long as our footballing colossus David Clifford strides insides the white lines for Kerry, we have a real chance. For now, we just have to park last Saturday and keep going, and I’m looking forward to a cracking contest with Tyrone. Up the Kingdom! I agree there is no shame in losing to Dublin. Indeed there is no shame in losing to any top side on a given day. But this was not “losing “ . This was complete annihilation . There in lies the shame.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 1, 2024 19:59:36 GMT
1 (GK) Shane Ryan Seán Ó Riain Rath Mhór 2 Graham O’Sullivan Graeme Ó Súilleabháin Piarsaigh na Dromoda 3 Jason Foley Jason Ó Foghlú Baile Uí Donnachú 4 Paul Murphy Pól Ó Murchú Rath Mhór 5 Seán O’Brien Seán Ó Briain Lios An Phúca 6 Tadhg Morley Tadhg Ó Muraile Teampall Nua 7 Gavin White Gabhin de Faoite Dr Crócaigh 8 Diarmuid O’Connor Diarmuid Ó Conchúir Na Gaeil 9 Joe O’Connor Seosamh Ó Conchúir Aibhistín de Staic 10 Adrian Spillane Adrian Ó Spealáin Teampall Nua 11 Paudie Clifford Pádraig Ó Clúmháin An Fhosadh 12 Cillian Burke Cillian De Burca Baile an Mhuillin/Caisleán na Mainge 13 David Clifford Dáithí Ó Clúmháin An Fhosadh 14 Seán O’Shea Seán Ó Sé An Neidín 15 Dara Moynihan Dara Ó Muineacháin Spa Cill Airne Shane Murphy Seán Ó Murchú Dr Crócaigh Dylan Casey Dylan Ó Cathasaigh Aibhistín de Staic Conor Geaney Conchúir Ó Géibheannaigh Daingean Uí Chúis Barry Dan O’Sullivan Barra Ó Súilleabháin Daingean Uí Chúis Armin Heinrich Armin Heinrich Aibhistín de Staic Ronan Buckley Rónán Ó Buachalla Lios A ‘Troí Tony Brosnan Antóin Ó Brosnacháin Dr Crócaigh Damien Bourke Damien De Búrca Na Gaeil Keith Evans Keith Ó hÉimhín Cill Darragh Roche Darragh de Róiste Gleann Fleisce Stefan Okunbar Stefan Okunbar Na Gaeil Stephen O’Brien Stiofan Ó Briain An Neidín Paul Geaney Pól Ó Géibheannaigh Daingean Uí Chúis
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2024 20:15:26 GMT
Glad Sean O'Brien has got the start, I was think that move could kill two birds with the one stone. Might sort both the defensive issues, and in addition, a serious kickout option.
The half forward line that have physical wing men in Spillane and Bourke may really shut down Morgan's kickouts, again O'Brien on the wing also shuts down that avenue.
Paul Geaney is also a welcome addition to the bench.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2024 20:40:16 GMT
Tom Sullivan must be still injured.Dylan Geaney not on subs so might be injured too.Mike Breen seems to be constantly injured. Both Paul Geaney and Stephen O'Briens addition are a bonus, was a bit downbeat, but seeing that team selection, I'm a but more upbeat.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 1, 2024 21:00:21 GMT
Why Dara Moynihan again he was so poor last weekend he seems indispensable to jack
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 1, 2024 21:03:32 GMT
Bar Cillian Burke you could have dropped any of last week's team.
I'm glad to see Sean O Brien in at HB and Spillane in at HF.
That's 5 lads including Burke that should be helping around the middle.
I assume Foley will take Canavan and I hope he's afforded more help than last week.
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Post by jrmanula on Mar 1, 2024 21:48:14 GMT
I think the Kerry supporters are reading too much into last week's game. When Mayo were Dublin's main threat Dublin targeted them in the league. It is now Kerry they are looking at. Kerry were one missed tackle from winning last year. Murchin will be in for a surprise if he marks Clifford in the championship. Playing games each weekend leads to mad results, even the professional rugby don't do it.
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Post by exiled on Mar 1, 2024 23:03:05 GMT
People here getting a bit personal here about a certain player considering how much effort he has put in for us since the age of 16. Remember it's the management that picks the team.. Criticise the management for constantly picking personal who don't produce.. There is more than 1..
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 1, 2024 23:23:46 GMT
A middle 8 deliberately picked to deal with the kick out and after that the rest of the game will fall into place. And it very likely will with 3 tried and proven fullbacks and David and Seanie up front with Dara covering the pitch.
As shown a few times in the earlier games, big fielders are not enough, picking up the breaks is vital, so hopefully that is factored in. Also it doesn't have to work perfectly for 70 minutes, but if it shows evidence that there is something there to work on, that would be great.
The selection may be a pointer for future selections but for this game ultimately the result will almost certainly be because of other reasons. Jack needs to win home games so the team will probably be less heavy legged than last week so Kerry should win by 5 or 6 points.
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Post by chicago09 on Mar 2, 2024 0:34:20 GMT
First of all, nobody’s criticizing the players we are criticizing the management for picking them we are giving our opinion on the team and we have no idea what goes on inside in training. Wow P. Murphy corner back come on now this is the league and you’re telling me there is not another corner back in the county that ye can’t try out seriously. Nothing against Paul but we need to find players and Jack is not giving me any confidence for the rest of the season. I’m glad they started the same midfield they need all the games they can get. Another thing with all the talk about midfield and big lads for kick outs does anyone know how many many kick outs did Fenton or o’cofaigh catch or win cleanly the last night. It has changed lot since Daragh was catching them I think we need a few more workers and I’m glad Adrian is in the team.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 2, 2024 0:53:59 GMT
First of all, nobody’s criticizing the players we are criticizing the management for picking them we are giving our opinion on the team and we have no idea what goes on inside in training. Wow P. Murphy corner back come on now this is the league and you’re telling me there is not another corner back in the county that ye can’t try out seriously. Nothing against Paul but we need to find players and Jack is not giving me any confidence for the rest of the season. I’m glad they started the same midfield they need all the games they can get. Another thing with all the talk about midfield and big lads for kick outs does anyone know how many many kick outs did Fenton or o’cofaigh catch or win cleanly the last night. It has changed lot since Daragh was catching them I think we need a few more workers and I’m glad Adrian is in the team. If you can name another player that's not on the panel please do. Otherwise this is what we have.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 2, 2024 1:01:23 GMT
First of all, nobody’s criticizing the players we are criticizing the management for picking them we are giving our opinion on the team and we have no idea what goes on inside in training. Wow P. Murphy corner back come on now this is the league and you’re telling me there is not another corner back in the county that ye can’t try out seriously. Nothing against Paul but we need to find players and Jack is not giving me any confidence for the rest of the season. I’m glad they started the same midfield they need all the games they can get. Another thing with all the talk about midfield and big lads for kick outs does anyone know how many many kick outs did Fenton or o’cofaigh catch or win cleanly the last night. It has changed lot since Daragh was catching them I think we need a few more workers and I’m glad Adrian is in the team. If you can name another player that's not on the panel please do. Otherwise this is what we have. Dan O’Donoghue and Mark Ryan I would make strong arguments for. David Mangan is good enough to be at least a panelist. Donal Down is better than 2 inside forwards on the panel as well. For the most part all the best players are inside but it’s not 100% either in my opinion.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 2, 2024 1:33:02 GMT
If you can name another player that's not on the panel please do. Otherwise this is what we have. Dan O’Donoghue and Mark Ryan I would make strong arguments for. David Mangan is good enough to be at least a panelist. Donal Down is better than 2 inside forwards on the panel as well. For the most part all the best players are inside but it’s not 100% either in my opinion. Sometimes we think we know the full picture but we don't. Nobody is excluded. I won't discuss lads on here I'll just say that Kerry GAA will look after our own. If any of those lads are ready then they'll be involved.
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Post by chicago09 on Mar 2, 2024 3:02:21 GMT
Well I guess we don’t have the players then one player Paudie Clifford since 2019 we are in trouble big time. We won the all Ireland minor in 2108 not one on the team Sunday we’re doomed. Is there one maybe two that slipped through the cracks. But we’re happy O’Brien and Paul Geaney who played 10 years ago are back on the subs. That’s fine I’m giving my opinion here that’s all the management are doing their best we only hope things will work out.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 2, 2024 4:05:32 GMT
I like that lineout Paul to take Canavan or McCurry Looking for a huge reaction from all our lads We’re putting the wheels back on the bike But need a few more finds let’s take nothing off the table
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 2, 2024 6:25:53 GMT
It's clear this is the group we have now. The things to change are how much we stood off our men, no protective element to our midfield and failure to take goal. With defeat comes introspection. Time to learn, improve and move on. I'm glad we got a lesson last week. Reality check
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Post by kerryblueboy on Mar 2, 2024 7:39:43 GMT
It is really worrying that we can’t find players in certain positions on the pitch like midfielders inside forwards and corner backs if we go with the same panel as last year with just Burke as the new one we are certain to get caught imo
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 2, 2024 9:19:38 GMT
People here getting a bit personal here about a certain player considering how much effort he has put in for us since the age of 16. Remember it's the management that picks the team.. Criticise the management for constantly picking personal who don't produce.. There is more than 1.. Personally, I don't get the critical element towards the Spa man, we all admit we are in a bit of trouble in the middle diamond, Darran is a "dirty" ball and breaks winner, he also has a very good understanding with DC from his minor, Sem and East Kerry sides, He also does chip in with the odd score, admittedly maybe he should score more, but I envisage this isn't his primary role for the team. A lot too are honing in on one clip, of he competing with Fenton for a kickout, that was probably the exact snap of Saturdays night and what malfunctioned... we had the Spa man trying to out jump Fenton, maybe ask where was the midfield pairing and more commend the Spa man for covering the space, covering his team mates and preventing Fenton winning the ball unopposed. I hope we don't venture down the soccer route of lambasting players, then being fickle enough to laud when they get a key score....
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Post by oldschool on Mar 2, 2024 9:55:16 GMT
A middle 8 deliberately picked to deal with the kick out and after that the rest of the game will fall into place. And it very likely will with 3 tried and proven fullbacks and David and Seanie up front with Dara covering the pitch. As shown a few times in the earlier games, big fielders are not enough, picking up the breaks is vital, so hopefully that is factored in. Also it doesn't have to work perfectly for 70 minutes, but if it shows evidence that there is something there to work on, that would be great. The selection may be a pointer for future selections but for this game ultimately the result will almost certainly be because of other reasons. Jack needs to win home games so the team will probably be less heavy legged than last week so Kerry should win by 5 or 6 points. So glad someone else realises that kick outs need to be dealt with ie both our own kick outs and those of the opposition
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 2, 2024 10:59:03 GMT
A middle 8 deliberately picked to deal with the kick out and after that the rest of the game will fall into place. And it very likely will with 3 tried and proven fullbacks and David and Seanie up front with Dara covering the pitch. As shown a few times in the earlier games, big fielders are not enough, picking up the breaks is vital, so hopefully that is factored in. Also it doesn't have to work perfectly for 70 minutes, but if it shows evidence that there is something there to work on, that would be great. The selection may be a pointer for future selections but for this game ultimately the result will almost certainly be because of other reasons. Jack needs to win home games so the team will probably be less heavy legged than last week so Kerry should win by 5 or 6 points. So glad someone else realises that kick outs need to be dealt with ie both our own kick outs and those of the opposition Criticising Moynihan for competing with Fenton for a high ball is bonkers - he went for the ball for which he should be praised. What annoyed me about that incident was our big midfielder standing static watching it and hoping for a cheap knock down. Midfielder had a responsibility to go for that one and was ideally placed to out jump Fenton with a few steps to launch himself. The Kerry midfield standard that we have enjoyed down the years demands that type of player in the middle.
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