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Post by The16thMan on Jan 15, 2024 21:47:00 GMT
Can someone explain why a move of venue. Is it just a case of hone vs away but different agreement for McGrath Cup games but different agreement for Final. We played last year in Cork, but that was a round one game, we played on Killarney in 2022 but that was a final.. is that the defining criteria? This seems to be the reason. Why is strange as there is no sperate agreement for Munster Championship finals and other Munster Championship games. I heard that the Kerry camp weren't too happy with Cork's initial objection to playing in a Kerry venue so lets hope that adds a bit of spark to Kerrys game Friday night and Jack picks a strong team. I can nearly guarantee that if/when Paudie is nominated as captain this week, he'll want to be on the pitch Friday to have a chance of lifting silverware, and I wouldn't put it past David wanting to be there alongside his brother.. adds a bit of spice.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 15, 2024 23:31:30 GMT
Anytime I've been to Pairc Ui Rinn previously for a game its been a lift or public transport but driving this time so what's the best option for parking would ye say?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 16, 2024 7:31:23 GMT
Anytime I've been to Pairc Ui Rinn previously for a game its been a lift or public transport but driving this time so what's the best option for parking would ye say? Its very close to PùC, last time I parked near Cork Con.
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Post by delorean on Jan 16, 2024 9:37:21 GMT
Serious levels of nonsense on this - entirely expected from some but surprised at one or two other normally level headed chaps.
It is impossible to have a fully functioning H&A agreement for the McGrath Cup in its current format. Each team is guaranteed one home game and one away game in the group stage, which seems reasonable enough on the face of it.
However, the random nature of the teams you'll be facing from one year to the next makes it impossible to guarantee being at home one year and away in the next meeting against the same opposition.
For example - say Kerry draw Waterford (h) and Clare (a) in 2025. In 2026 you draw Limerick (h) and Tipp (a). Stay with me... in 2027 you draw Limerick and Waterford... both, in theory, are owed a home game against Kerry, but the format prioritises each team getting one home game and one away game in each campaign. Therefore something has to give.
Cork have travelled to play Clare four times in a row in this competition, for example. Funnily enough, the recurring hosts have never been accused of any gamesmanship, mental fragility or not acting in good faith as a result. The visitors just got on with it.
The one game in this competition where you can have a fully functioning H&A agreement in place is for the final itself. That's clearly the case here and the last time the two counties met at this stage, Fitzgerald Stadium was the venue. This was despite, and wait for it, the previous meeting in the McGrath Cup between the two counties being played in Austin Stack Park, Tralee.
The commentator on Clubber wrongly indicated the final would be in Tralee - Munster GAA never made any such promises - only the date and time confirmed with venue TBC. Therefore, the venue has not been changed, they had to first wait and see who made the final and once that was comfirmed, the only real question was whether it would be under lights in Mallow, Páirc Uí Rinn or SuperValu Park (shudders).
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Post by Fado on Jan 16, 2024 10:39:57 GMT
Shur we knew that all along 😉🤣
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Post by homerj on Jan 16, 2024 11:22:03 GMT
Munster GAA intially listed it as a home venue, to Kerry, on their fixtures page. date was put as 19th and Kerry venue, not long after we beat Limerick.
anyway, happier its away as it will be a proper battle now and we will learn alot about the new lads coming in, win, lose or draw. with places up for grabs for Derry, its time for lads to start earning them and no better place than away to Cork with a trophy to be won
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 16, 2024 11:49:33 GMT
Munster GAA intially listed it as a home venue, to Kerry, on their fixtures page. date was put as 19th and Kerry venue, not long after we beat Limerick. anyway, happier its away as it will be a proper battle now and we will learn alot about the new lads coming in, win, lose or draw. with places up for grabs for Derry, its time for lads to start earning them and no better place than away to Cork with a trophy to be won 100% This will be a proper test and leave us in a better position for a Derry team who are flying at the minute. McGuigan is hitting some big scores in the McKenna Cup.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 16, 2024 12:38:26 GMT
True enough, the venue location is out of our hands to a degree, I wouldn't see it as a defining or key factor for the players, more the supporters. I honestly cannot see many sitting into their cars on a frosty Friday night, after a weeks work to travel down to that corner of Cork and more importantly facing a similar frosty roads journey home, Maybe a few from the East or Mid Kerry could justify but from other corners of the county, I don't know.
I would envisage Friday’s team will have a 70% settled look to it with 30% still feeling players out. I would also imagine that the starting team will have an eye on Derry and getting lads in position and up to speed for the Derry challenge. I liked where Derry were last year and where they were about, they were comfortable in their own skin and each other and played a nice brand of football. People wrongly in my opinion think Mikey Hart is ultra defensive akin to 2003, however, the ball they played in 2005 and 2008, I have to admit wasn’t that defensive and mixed with fast expansive ball.
Derry under Mikey if they adopt more his 2008 mantra, would be a dangerous animal…
Anyway, back to the Munster League final, it will be interesting to see will Paudie get the first start of the season as captain, and be given the opportunity to lead his team out for their first final of the year.
The midfield selection too will tell a lot, I like the combination of Sean O’Brien and Joe O’Connor, both mobile, fit and rangy…
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 16, 2024 18:00:48 GMT
Serious levels of nonsense on this - entirely expected from some but surprised at one or two other normally level headed chaps. It is impossible to have a fully functioning H&A agreement for the McGrath Cup in its current format. Each team is guaranteed one home game and one away game in the group stage, which seems reasonable enough on the face of it. However, the random nature of the teams you'll be facing from one year to the next makes it impossible to guarantee being at home one year and away in the next meeting against the same opposition. Even though that might be the case the Munster council had it as a home game for Kerry in a Kerry venue. That means the Munster council were thinking the game would be played in Kerry, regardless of Cork or Waterford winning. I do think it shows mental frailty to kick up such a fuzz about it. I doubt the Kerry players or management gave it two thoughts, but the emphasis is now very much on the fact that Cork want to play it at home, and feel it should not be in Kerry. That is not a good signal towards players, even if Cork were under the impression they should be playing at home all along. The 2023 final was a home game for Cork in Mallow against Limerick. The 2022 final was a home game for Kerry in Killarney against Cork. Apparently Cork believe they should play at home because the last final they played against Kerry was in Kerry. The 2020 final was a home game for Limerick in Limerick against Cork. The 2019 final was a home game for Clare in Milltown Mallybay against Cork. The 2018 final was a home game for Cork in Mallow against Clare. The 2017 final was a home game for Kerry, played in Limerick against Limerick. The 2016 final was a home game for Cork in Mallow against Clare. The 2015 final was a home game for Waterford in Dungarvan against UCC. The 2014 final was a home game for Cork in Mallow against Kerry. The 2013 final was a home game for Kerry, played in Tipperary against Tipperary. and so on. Based on that, Kerry are due a home final. You are basically making the argument for Kerry playing at home as Kerry haven't had a home final since 2022 If it is indeed a Home and Away agreement for finals Cork might be due a home final based on the 2014 and 2022 finals, but clearly the Munster council thought otherwise. Anyway, tickets are booked so I'm looking forward to seeing Kerry play Cork in Cork. Both teams seem to have improved a lot on 2023 so far so it should be a great game
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 16, 2024 19:29:03 GMT
Mike Breen out of the final through injury - poor lad is made of glass
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 16, 2024 19:58:03 GMT
Mike Breen out of the final through injury - poor lad is made of glass What's the nature of the injury horse ?
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 16, 2024 20:10:41 GMT
Mike Breen out of the final through injury - poor lad is made of glass What's the nature of the injury horse ? Ankle injury apparently, no indication about how long he's out for but generally ankle injuries tend to be 4-12 weeks unless it's very minor.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 16, 2024 20:14:37 GMT
What's the nature of the injury horse ? Ankle injury apparently, no indication about how long he's out for but generally ankle injuries tend to be 4-12 weeks unless it's very minor. Thank you, Hopefully it's on the less serious side the poor lad is cursed with injuries. He really needed a run in the league.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 16, 2024 20:36:00 GMT
Ankle injury apparently, no indication about how long he's out for but generally ankle injuries tend to be 4-12 weeks unless it's very minor. Thank you, Hopefully it's on the less serious side the poor lad is cursed with injuries. He really needed a run in the league. It's the better side of the year too, a January injury is a hell of a lot better than a May injury - hopefully it's only a roll and not something more serious
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Post by delorean on Jan 17, 2024 9:06:30 GMT
Serious levels of nonsense on this - entirely expected from some but surprised at one or two other normally level headed chaps. It is impossible to have a fully functioning H&A agreement for the McGrath Cup in its current format. Each team is guaranteed one home game and one away game in the group stage, which seems reasonable enough on the face of it. However, the random nature of the teams you'll be facing from one year to the next makes it impossible to guarantee being at home one year and away in the next meeting against the same opposition. For example - say Kerry draw Waterford (h) and Clare (a) in 2025. In 2026 you draw Limerick (h) and Tipp (a). Stay with me... in 2027 you draw Limerick and Waterford... both, in theory, are owed a home game against Kerry, but the format prioritises each team getting one home game and one away game in each campaign. Therefore something has to give. Cork have travelled to play Clare four times in a row in this competition, for example. Funnily enough, the recurring hosts have never been accused of any gamesmanship, mental fragility or not acting in good faith as a result. The visitors just got on with it. The one game in this competition where you can have a fully functioning H&A agreement in place is for the final itself. That's clearly the case here and the last time the two counties met at this stage, Fitzgerald Stadium was the venue. This was despite, and wait for it, the previous meeting in the McGrath Cup between the two counties being played in Austin Stack Park, Tralee. The commentator on Clubber wrongly indicated the final would be in Tralee - Munster GAA never made any such promises - only the date and time confirmed with venue TBC. Therefore, the venue has not been changed, they had to first wait and see who made the final and once that was comfirmed, the only real question was whether it would be under lights in Mallow, Páirc Uí Rinn or SuperValu Park (shudders). Back in to hibernation for me. Oh i did nt realise this tbf but in truth I dont think it matters too much for McGrath cup games.The home venue makes it easier for home fans to travel but besides that its not that important.I do however think Cork are trying to toy with things a little before the big Munster championhip meeting in Killarney if it comes to pass.Cork are improving and under John Cleary they have a shrewd manager and Cork will come to Killarney during the championship both looking and expecting to win. Cork didn't need to toy with anything - it's their turn to have home advantage in a final against Kerry, just as it was Kerry's turn in identical circumstances in 2022. Why is something so simple to understand causing such deeper, cynical thinking - is it because Munster GAA allegedly made a quickly rectified error on their website? This is the basis for the notion that Cork should forgo home advantage and travel to Tralee to show how fearless they are? What is the point in having an agreement at all if you're not going to abide by it? Do we have any evidence that Cork even objected to this brief indication that the final would be in Tralee, let alone toy with things or kick up a fuss? The very most they would have had to do is informatively point out that, as it's a final, it's actually their turn to have home advantage. Is it not quite possible though, if not likely, that Munster GAA realised the error themselves? The only fuss that's actually being made about the venue is on here.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 10:55:03 GMT
Oh i did nt realise this tbf but in truth I dont think it matters too much for McGrath cup games.The home venue makes it easier for home fans to travel but besides that its not that important.I do however think Cork are trying to toy with things a little before the big Munster championhip meeting in Killarney if it comes to pass.Cork are improving and under John Cleary they have a shrewd manager and Cork will come to Killarney during the championship both looking and expecting to win. Cork didn't need to toy with anything - it's their turn to have home advantage in a final against Kerry, just as it was Kerry's turn in identical circumstances in 2022. Why is something so simple to understand causing such deeper, cynical thinking - is it because Munster GAA allegedly made a quickly rectified error on their website? This is the basis for the notion that Cork should forgo home advantage and travel to Tralee to show how fearless they are? What is the point in having an agreement at all if you're not going to abide by it? Do we have any evidence that Cork even objected to this brief indication that the final would be in Tralee, let alone toy with things or kick up a fuss? The very most they would have had to do is informatively point out that, as it's a final, it's actually their turn to have home advantage. Is it not quite possible though, if not likely, that Munster GAA realised the error themselves? The only fuss that's actually being made about the venue is on here. I totally get your point, but it seems we are looking at it from different perceptions. I don't think Kerry will mind too much where they have to play, but it is a nuisance for supporters in the expensive month of January. I'm assuming both teams will have to change the teams a bit with the Sigerson Cup about to start.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 10:55:56 GMT
Can only add three squads at a time
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 10:56:31 GMT
Can only add three squads at a time
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 10:56:57 GMT
Can only add three squads at a time
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 10:57:45 GMT
Can only add three squads at a time
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 10:58:24 GMT
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 17, 2024 11:50:10 GMT
Unless this changes later, I see no link or advert for the Cork v Kerry McGrath Cup final on the clubber website, and I checked the Facebook page and it's not down to be shown. Hopefully this info is updated soon and it will be shown on clubber?
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Post by yellowbelly on Jan 17, 2024 11:53:39 GMT
Unless this changes later, I see no link or advert for the Cork v Kerry McGrath Cup final on the clubber website, and I checked the Facebook page and it's not down to be shown. Hopefully this info is updated soon and it will be shown on clubber?
Looks like game got claimed by TG4. But not big enough for them to show in TV. Its being streamed on their YouTube Channel on Friday night www.youtube.com/live/4erdHuAIeew?si=MbheWwc8LCKNOI-6
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2024 14:05:45 GMT
Unless this changes later, I see no link or advert for the Cork v Kerry McGrath Cup final on the clubber website, and I checked the Facebook page and it's not down to be shown. Hopefully this info is updated soon and it will be shown on clubber?
Looks like game got claimed by TG4. But not big enough for them to show in TV. Its being streamed on their YouTube Channel on Friday night www.youtube.com/live/4erdHuAIeew?si=MbheWwc8LCKNOI-6Thanks for that, I assumed Clubber would have it. Saves 11.99!
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Post by kot on Jan 17, 2024 15:23:28 GMT
Thanks for that, I assumed Clubber would have it. Saves 11.99! I would have been after you Royal, the price of 2 pints
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jan 17, 2024 16:24:10 GMT
Thanks for that, I assumed Clubber would have it. Saves 11.99! I would have been after you Royal, the price of 2 pints Or the price of a pint of Guinness in Temple Bar
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2024 17:17:31 GMT
Thanks for that, I assumed Clubber would have it. Saves 11.99! I would have been after you Royal, the price of 2 pints 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by john4 on Jan 17, 2024 18:27:50 GMT
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 17, 2024 18:50:45 GMT
it actually is, to be fair.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2024 19:57:08 GMT
it actually is, to be fair. So they charge for Tipp and Limerick games but make the most attractive game free. Brilliant service from TG4 even their coverage of Sigerson is excellent.
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