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Post by thehermit on Aug 2, 2023 21:15:32 GMT
Ah stop, Morley was the rock on which the house was built last year... Young Moynihan the U21 full back from Rathmore, it will be interesting to see how he fairs out in the senior club championship, he will be coming up against various types of players in at FF, I'll be watching his progress. Morley was exceptional on Sunday keeping Con scoreless. Horse as ou resistant Dingle man is there any truth in the OConnor rumour ? Horse is a North Kerry 'blow in' these times Royal, he's actually not from Dingle either
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 2, 2023 21:18:43 GMT
Ah stop, Morley was the rock on which the house was built last year... Young Moynihan the U21 full back from Rathmore, it will be interesting to see how he fairs out in the senior club championship, he will be coming up against various types of players in at FF, I'll be watching his progress. Morley was exceptional on Sunday keeping Con scoreless. Horse as ou resistant Dingle man is there any truth in the OConnor rumour ? Not a Dingle man Royal, not far originally and played good bit of West Kerry ball, however, every year we have been beaten, this 'talk' emerges.. I don't know, but think he would be better for us than Fenton is to the Dubs... I rate him that highly... he is still the best undersge player I ever came across... Just oozed class
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 2, 2023 22:30:58 GMT
Morley was exceptional on Sunday keeping Con scoreless. Horse as ou resistant Dingle man is there any truth in the OConnor rumour ? Not a Dingle man Royal, not far originally and played good bit of West Kerry ball, however, every year we have been beaten, this 'talk' emerges.. I don't know, but think he would be better for us than Fenton is to the Dubs... I rate him that highly... he is still the best undersge player I ever came across... Just oozed class Sorry Horse for some reason I thought you were a Dingle man!
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 3, 2023 7:44:47 GMT
Not a Dingle man Royal, not far originally and played good bit of West Kerry ball, however, every year we have been beaten, this 'talk' emerges.. I don't know, but think he would be better for us than Fenton is to the Dubs... I rate him that highly... he is still the best undersge player I ever came across... Just oozed class Sorry Horse for some reason I thought you were a Dingle man! Could have been called a hell of a lit worse, work carried me different corners. As for the Geelong lad, we can dream, I firmly believe he is to midfield what Clifford and Seanie is to the forwards.
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Post by john4 on Aug 3, 2023 8:18:49 GMT
Sorry Horse for some reason I thought you were a Dingle man! Could have been called a hell of a lit worse, work carried me different corners. As for the Geelong lad, we can dream, I firmly believe he is to midfield what Clifford and Seanie is to the forwards. Dingle native Mark O'Connor has signed a contract extension with AFL outfit Geelong which will bring him up to the end of the 2024 season. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40921460.html#:~:text=Dingle%20native%20Mark%20O%27Connor,end%20of%20the%202024%20season.
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Post by glengael on Aug 3, 2023 8:59:46 GMT
After the loss of 2011, we had the disaster of 2012 season. JOC and co had fairly run out of ideas by then. I hope history doesn't repeat itself.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 3, 2023 9:03:04 GMT
After the loss of 2011, we had the disaster of 2012 season. JOC and co had fairly run out of ideas by then. I hope history doesn't repeat itself. Aging squad that time.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 3, 2023 9:18:15 GMT
Knew it was too good to be true.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 3, 2023 9:22:34 GMT
After the loss of 2011, we had the disaster of 2012 season. JOC and co had fairly run out of ideas by then. I hope history doesn't repeat itself. I felt Donegal were unbeatable that year anyway. I imagine Paddy Tally and Mike Quirke will have lots of ideas. Hopefully Mike Quirke can bring some basketball tactics about setting up your sharp shooters in good scoring positions. Ruarie Murphy is a big basketball player. I wonder do any players or coaches read this. I'm still hopeful for next year. But at the same time, we could've been going for 3 in a row. I feel we've been good enough to win every year since 2019. Clifford could've had 3 or 4 medals by now.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 3, 2023 9:25:40 GMT
After the loss of 2011, we had the disaster of 2012 season. JOC and co had fairly run out of ideas by then. I hope history doesn't repeat itself. I felt Donegal were unbeatable that year anyway. I imagine Paddy Tally and Mike Quirke will have lots of ideas. Hopefully Mike Quirke can bring some basketball tactics about setting up your sharp shooters in good scoring positions. Ruarie Murphy is a big basketball player. I wonder do any players or coaches read this. I'm still hopeful for next year. But at the same time, we could've been going for 3 in a row. I feel we've been good enough to win every year since 2019. Clifford could've had 3 or 4 medals by now. Any player reading this forum should not.
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Post by kerrylad38 on Aug 3, 2023 9:40:47 GMT
I think jacks needs to get rid of Moynihan and leave o brien for the bench depending on whether he goes again .
Would like to see ruairi Murphy depending on how he develops strength wise as he looked a bit off it in that department when he came as he has bundles of talent or rob monaghan tried in the half forward line
Stefan okunbar (Depending on fitness he showed with his motm performance against Armagh in the league that he is a quality footballer) / Sean o brien/ Brian o beagloich at wing back instead of Paul Murphy
Jack Barry needs to go offers nothing.An inter county midfielder that cannot kick the ball is a joke. Mabye give cillian Burke a shot
Geaney might be better off the bench and give his first cousin Dylan geaney a chance at corner forward depending on how he develops
I think we need new young fresh legs as we haven’t given young lads a chance in 4/5 years in championship and it’s been the same starting XV every game. The Players Are There only to be given a chance to impress and perform
We had too many “passengers” against dublin
Would like to hear others opinions on this.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 3, 2023 11:08:41 GMT
Yes but the point might be that you never know what any player is really made of unless they are tried out! Give them game time consistently, bring them on when the team is doing reasonably well, give them a defined role and see how they cope. Gradually acquaint them with tougher challenges. We don't seem to be doing that. Example see below substitutions v Clare in a match that was hardly red hot competitive. The first 3 on are hardly newcomers who might be good to have a look at for the future. Subs: Killian Spillane for Geaney (51), Brian Ó Beaglaioch for T O’Sullivan (51), Stephen O’Brien for Moynihan (51), Barry Dan O’Sullivan for Barry (60), Mike Breen for G O’Sullivan (60). I agree. Some people unexpectedly are able to step up a level no problem. Others are tipped for greatness but can't step up and are just good club players. I read an article a couple of years ago about cognitive tests done by neuroscientists on Xavi and Iniesta and their cognitive abilities were off the chart. Paul Murphy strikes me as someone who's very strong cognitively. In addition, there are plenty examples of extremely talented sports people whose bodies simply breakdown as they aren't able to cope with the physical demands of preparing for elite level sport. When you wonder why an extremely talented club player joins an inter-county panel and you don't see them, keep in mind this could be a factor.
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Post by mike70 on Aug 3, 2023 13:00:28 GMT
After the loss of 2011, we had the disaster of 2012 season. JOC and co had fairly run out of ideas by then. I hope history doesn't repeat itself. I felt Donegal were unbeatable that year anyway. I imagine Paddy Tally and Mike Quirke will have lots of ideas. Hopefully Mike Quirke can bring some basketball tactics about setting up your sharp shooters in good scoring positions. Ruarie Murphy is a big basketball player. I wonder do any players or coaches read this. I'm still hopeful for next year. But at the same time, we could've been going for 3 in a row. I feel we've been good enough to win every year since 2019. Clifford could've had 3 or 4 medals by now. We will call him when we are playing basketball 😂🙈
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Post by mike70 on Aug 3, 2023 13:02:33 GMT
Lot of talk on this about the 3 older statesmen that their time is up. Id like to remind people that they didnt start the final out of pity or an ode to their service over the years. They are still 3 of the best 15 players in kerry and id be in no rush to get rid of them. Also with regards jack barry. Whilst i agree he isnt the most skilfull footballer. He has been there for 5 or 6 years and no one else has taken the jersey off him. Maybe the midfielders just arent there Like to see the lads stay on, i would like to see them as an impact off the bench, imagine bringing on SOB, Geaney and Murphy, big impact with huge experience.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 3, 2023 13:05:13 GMT
I felt Donegal were unbeatable that year anyway. I imagine Paddy Tally and Mike Quirke will have lots of ideas. Hopefully Mike Quirke can bring some basketball tactics about setting up your sharp shooters in good scoring positions. Ruarie Murphy is a big basketball player. I wonder do any players or coaches read this. I'm still hopeful for next year. But at the same time, we could've been going for 3 in a row. I feel we've been good enough to win every year since 2019. Clifford could've had 3 or 4 medals by now. We will call him when we are playing basketball 😂🙈 There's lots of similarities between Gaelic Football and basketball, much more than soccer for example. It's important to always be looking for improvements. The Dubs were bringing in basketball coaches years ago. m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-boss-jim-gavin-drafts-in-renowned-basketball-coach-to-help-beat-blanket-defences/31110249.htmlThat's from 2015. Didn't do them any harm.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 3, 2023 17:17:51 GMT
Killian Spillane to learn there is more to football than All Ireland finals!! He shouldn’t even be in the squad until a semi final has been won. He’s like a special teams player in American football. Bring him on for a few minutes in a final and he’ll light it up
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 3, 2023 17:22:02 GMT
Just repeating the same as many here but we need additional midfield and forward options.
We need a wind forward who can compete in the air and attack. That doesn’t mean drop others but have it as an option
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Post by listowelemerrs on Aug 3, 2023 17:57:46 GMT
Have on good account that SOB is gone… having to do ferocious behind scenes work with his injuries to even stay fit.. we sometimes forget the effort these lads put in. We just see them on the big day and think everything is rosy. Paul Murphy supposedly was going to retired 2 years ago after Tyrone match but has ended up playing another few seasons. I like paul but I think we can replace him… whereas geaney and obrien will not be easily replaced.
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Post by john4 on Aug 3, 2023 18:07:46 GMT
I'd be very disappointed if Paul Geaney retired from I/C. I think he has a lot to offer.
Above is correct. The commitment these fellas are putting in is just outrageous. They owe us nothing.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 3, 2023 19:45:52 GMT
I agree re Paul Geaney. I hope he views it as unfinished business and gives it another year. He was full of energy the last day. It's a pity more ball didn't go into him because he was easily getting the better of Davy Byrne. I think Kerry missed a trick here. I would have kept him on as well. To me he had the legs to last the full game. I felt we needed all of our score getters down the stretch.
Did I see Murchan on him at one stage? Serious mismatch under any high ball.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 3, 2023 20:15:35 GMT
Lets not retire guys too early, Dublin have shown the benefit of having that bit of experience to come off the bench
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Post by taggert on Aug 3, 2023 20:33:16 GMT
I'd be very disappointed if Paul Geaney retired from I/C. I think he has a lot to offer. Above is correct. The commitment these fellas are putting in is just outrageous. They owe us nothing. As a sub at best for me. We play two inside forwards and this iteration of Paul simply does not score enough and this is compounding the reliance on David Clifford which was and has been manifest fir the last 2 seasons. It may have coincided with the arrival of Clifford and how we play but his scoring rate since 2019 has dropped off significantly (unlike when he was the star turn) and he's not there for his work rate and tracking back if we are honest. Recent scoring summary in the proper games: Final '23 - 1-1 (goal on a plate by DC) Semi '23 - 0 Quarter '23 - 1pt Final '22 - 1pt Semi '22 - 0 Quarter '22 - 4pts Semi '21 - 1pt Munster Final '20 - inj'd Final Replay '19 - 4pts Final Day 1 '19 - 0 Semi '19 - 3pts Super8 '19 Donegal 1-4 Mayo 1-2 Meath 0-2
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Post by john4 on Aug 3, 2023 21:14:32 GMT
I'd be very disappointed if Paul Geaney retired from I/C. I think he has a lot to offer. Above is correct. The commitment these fellas are putting in is just outrageous. They owe us nothing. As a sub at best for me. We play two inside forwards and this iteration of Paul simply does not score enough and this is compounding the reliance on David Clifford which was and has been manifest fir the last 2 seasons. It may have coincided with the arrival of Clifford and how we play but his scoring rate since 2019 has dropped off significantly (unlike when he was the star turn) and he's not there for his work rate and tracking back if we are honest. Recent scoring summary in the proper games: Final '23 - 1-1 (goal on a plate by DC) Semi '23 - 0 Quarter '23 - 1pt Final '22 - 1pt Semi '22 - 0 Quarter '22 - 4pts Semi '21 - 1pt Munster Final '20 - inj'd Final Replay '19 - 4pts Final Day 1 '19 - 0 Semi '19 - 3pts Super8 '19 Donegal 1-4 Mayo 1-2 Meath 0-2 Well put together point but who would wear the jersey and put up better numbers. Who's pushing him out?
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Post by taggert on Aug 3, 2023 21:32:05 GMT
As a sub at best for me. We play two inside forwards and this iteration of Paul simply does not score enough and this is compounding the reliance on David Clifford which was and has been manifest fir the last 2 seasons. It may have coincided with the arrival of Clifford and how we play but his scoring rate since 2019 has dropped off significantly (unlike when he was the star turn) and he's not there for his work rate and tracking back if we are honest. Recent scoring summary in the proper games: Final '23 - 1-1 (goal on a plate by DC) Semi '23 - 0 Quarter '23 - 1pt Final '22 - 1pt Semi '22 - 0 Quarter '22 - 4pts Semi '21 - 1pt Munster Final '20 - inj'd Final Replay '19 - 4pts Final Day 1 '19 - 0 Semi '19 - 3pts Super8 '19 Donegal 1-4 Mayo 1-2 Meath 0-2 Well put together point but who would wear the jersey and put up better numbers. Who's pushing him out? Of course thats the 64,000 dollar question and clearly the less prolific version of PG has been preferred to others because of perhaps injury, inexperience, loss of form, lack of trust or failing to grasp their opportunity. Its certainly not his fault but i'd love to see the fresh, experienced and talented man introduced on 60 mins when the tight games are won/lost. Can Spillane, Brosnan, Donal Down, AN Other cement their spot? Whoever it is, they need to be easing the scoring burden on David.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 3, 2023 21:39:20 GMT
Well put together point but who would wear the jersey and put up better numbers. Who's pushing him out? Of course thats the 64,000 dollar question and clearly the less prolific version of PG has been preferred to others because of perhaps injury, inexperience, loss of form, lack of trust or failing to grasp their opportunity. Its certainly not his fault but i'd love to see the fresh, experienced and talented man introduced on 60 mins when the tight games are won/lost. Can Spillane, Brosnan, Donal Down, AN Other cement their spot? Whoever it is, they need to be easing the scoring burden on David. Nice work. I don't agree about Clifford putting final goal "on a plate" though. It was very clever movement from Geaney and the finish was deceptively easy. I agree I'd love to be able to spring him from the bench for 20 minutes. He does a huge defensive shift.
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Post by john4 on Aug 3, 2023 21:58:34 GMT
2 division 2 teams, ourselves and Monaghan (who were close to relegation) made up the semifinalist this year.
Has the league lost it's status. I wouldn't be against using the league as a testing ground for players, and I'm not talking about bringing on guys for 15/20 minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3 guys minimum, full matches, keeping it fresh every week, 7 matches. Does it really matter if were relegated??
In fact if we were relegated, wouldn't that take the pressure off the team of '25 where they 'should' in theory be able to get promoted or thereabouts while keeping everyone fresh for championship.
The business end of the championship is an energy draining 8 weeks, that's where 100% of the attention should be imo, not our league status.
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Post by Premier on Aug 3, 2023 22:10:00 GMT
2 division 2 teams, ourselves and Monaghan (who were close to relegation) made up the semifinalist this year. Has the league lost it's status. I wouldn't be against using the league as a testing ground for players, and I'm not talking about bringing on guys for 15/20 minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3 guys minimum, full matches, keeping it fresh every week, 7 matches. Does it really matter if were relegated?? In fact if we were relegated, wouldn't that take the pressure off the team of '25 where they 'should' in theory be able to get promoted or thereabouts while keeping everyone fresh for championship. The business end of the championship is an energy draining 8 weeks, that's where 100% of the attention should be imo, not our league status. I think with the new format the league will require less of the star players to be put through all of the games/heavy training as the block of games coming later in the season will be the main focus. That could mean more experimentation, cue everyone losing their minds that we are gone to the dogs when we lose 2 of the first 3 games
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Post by Lolly Valance on Aug 3, 2023 22:13:06 GMT
People are very quick to retire lads. I thought jack Barry had a good season to be honest. He was doing a specific role of dropping back behind the half back line on most games.
Against cork, Louth, Tyrone and Derry and even once or twice against Dublin he was instrumental in either forcing a turnover or standing a guy up in that area. Foolish as it may sound I think Geaney has been affected adversely by the emergence of David Clifford.
He's no longer the first choice for the ball in and has to make extra runs consistently as all the outfield players look to hit Clifford first and geaney after if Clifford isn't an option. So instead of getting the ball in space Geaney is getting the ball more often than not on the loop.
Kerry basically went through the championship this year with 17 / 18 players. Outside the starting 15 for the final, Adrian Spillane and Tony Brosnan were the only players that got good minutes consistently. Beaglaoch wasn't only got minutes really in the last 2 games and Killian only came on in the final.
Dylan Casey was jettisoned after the mayo game.
Our bench had absolutely nothing to offer on Sunday to help change the game apart from Killian
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Post by john4 on Aug 3, 2023 22:17:29 GMT
2 division 2 teams, ourselves and Monaghan (who were close to relegation) made up the semifinalist this year. Has the league lost it's status. I wouldn't be against using the league as a testing ground for players, and I'm not talking about bringing on guys for 15/20 minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3 guys minimum, full matches, keeping it fresh every week, 7 matches. Does it really matter if were relegated?? In fact if we were relegated, wouldn't that take the pressure off the team of '25 where they 'should' in theory be able to get promoted or thereabouts while keeping everyone fresh for championship. The business end of the championship is an energy draining 8 weeks, that's where 100% of the attention should be imo, not our league status. I think with the new format the league will require less of the star players to be put through all of the games/heavy training as the block of games coming later in the season will be the main focus. That could mean more experimentation, cue everyone losing their minds that we are gone to the dogs when we lose 2 of the first 3 games What did Mayo get outta burning it up and topping the league?
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 3, 2023 22:20:59 GMT
People are very quick to retire lads. I thought jack Barry had a good season to be honest. He was doing a specific role of dropping back behind the half back line on most games. Against cork, Louth, Tyrone and Derry and even once or twice against Dublin he was instrumental in either forcing a turnover or standing a guy up in that area. Foolish as it may sound I think Geaney has been affected adversely by the emergence of David Clifford. He's no longer the first choice for the ball in and has to make extra runs consistently as all the outfield players look to hit Clifford first and geaney after if Clifford isn't an option. So instead of getting the ball in space Geaney is getting the ball more often than not on the loop. Kerry basically went through the championship this year with 17 / 18 players. Outside the starting 15 for the final, Adrian Spillane and Tony Brosnan were the only players that got good minutes consistently. Beaglaoch wasn't only got minutes really in the last 2 games and Killian only came on in the final. Dylan Casey was jettisoned after the mayo game. Our bench had absolutely nothing to offer on Sunday to help change the game apart from Killian I agree about Jack Barry. He does a lot of unseen defensive work. You don't know what you've got til it's gone. Geaney has to do a lot of tracking back also, whereas Clifford I think is told not to. I still think we've to work too hard for scores in big games. Geaney can kick from distance from either leg. Why isn't he around on the loop? I agree about bench also. Begley and Killian were injured a lot. I think Jack Sherwood would've been useful off the bench the last day. He's very comfortable on the ball, uses it well, experienced etc. I imagine our bench will be stronger next year.
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