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Post by thehermit on Jul 13, 2023 9:41:13 GMT
Ticketmaster have a history of releasing tickets in a phased way offering tickets for sale in less central sections. ie Davin Stand before making "better" central tickets available, 705, 706! I've a season ticket, no issue for me but it's not fair on people and a sneaky way to sell seats ah here lads come on, its called filling the stadium in sections as they are unsure how many will attend, you also factor in returns - the example gave last night was upper central locations, leading to the scenario that lower hogan/cusack is now pretty much sold out. whats the point having say 4000 in hogan, 3000 upper davin, 1000 in the hill etc hen you can have 8000 in lower hogan? there is nothing sneaky at all, its common logic. if people are complaining about "good tickets" and that is a reason they dont go, i question their motives and if they actually want to go at all. if you can sit in corner for a final, you should be happy to sit there all year. Homerj who are you actually talking about though? Pretty much everyone on a forum like this will be at 80-100% of Kerry games a year even if we had to be on the upper Nally or its equivalent for everyone of them. But it's a fan forum and considering we all number basically among the diehards aren't we allowed to give out sometimes about the quality of tickets and the price? In my opinion we've bloody earned the right being the ones going to League and McGrath Cups games up and down the country before the Championship is ever thought of. On the wider point I just wouldn't blame the average Kerry fans for our attendance levels. Comparing us to Clare and Mayo is not an equivalency. Clare haven't won anything in a decade, have been to Croker only twice since and travelled up in expectation last Sunday of getting to a first decider since 2013. As for Mayo we'll that's just a collective glorifying of some supposed epic journey (in their own heads) for the Holy Grail. And being convinced, against all the logic the last decade has shown, that they'll somehow do it eventually so they have to be there for it! Kerry is a rural and tourist dependent county, we're one of the furthest away from Dublin and we have among the lower disposable income earnings of any part of Ireland. You can check the CSO figures on that if you want. How many people do we all know that work every weekend at home, esp in the summer. Its fine to have the 9-5 office life Dublin offers much of its population. A lot of my own friends are stuck behind the bar counter, are in hotels or in retail every weekend and summer is the time their employers make the most money because of the tourist influx. Those supporters are lucky to get to a few League games at home and maybe a Munster final and have to have the AI weekend booked off in January just in case Kerry make it. I know loads of people that do that religiously every year. They might be allowed one or two weekends off for the whole summer and they choose the AI weekend. That's why there's such a disparity between our attendance at finals and the games before in my opinion. I just don't think its fair to have a go at people who have to choose between making a living or going to every summer game. Yeah we all know the ones who would close the curtains if Kerry were playing in the front garden before July and are then the ones sauntering around the Gresham on All Ireland day with a ticket in the Hogan. But in my experience they are just a minority and you'll get them in every county.
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Post by exiled on Jul 13, 2023 9:52:18 GMT
Some very good points in all fairness. However I would keep Geaney in as I feel this could be a game where Seanie comes deeper in order to play as a bit more of a playmaker and uses his kicking to beat Derry on the counter. Paul's inclusion would also force the Derry's defence to play more honest and not be able to converge on David to the same extent. His shooting has been below his standard this year, but I still think he shades any other option we may have on our bench. Maybe the return of Killian Spillane may raise questions on who should partner DC for the final should they get that far*, but I think it might just be too soon after injury to spring him to start for this game ............This was the original post which has some words removed...namely 'should they get that far'. It prompted some unfair replies as it's not jumping the gun..
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Post by thehermit on Jul 13, 2023 10:55:00 GMT
FYI a good few tickets just up in Lower Hogan, 329. Just got the few I needed all together. Happy days!
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Post by tonydorigo on Jul 13, 2023 11:01:53 GMT
The last paragraph of that piece by Jim is ridiculous. IF and its a only a IF Dublin were to beat Kerry in a final that wouldn't impact 2024. The old boys get older and probably retire on top. Leaving Dublin in transition in my opinion because so much of what's good about them is demonstrated in Mccarthy, Fitzsimmons, Cluxton, Kilkenny, Rock and they probably will hang up thd boots. I actually agree with McGuinness on this and was only talking to someone about it during the week. Providing we get to a final and end up playing Dublin it could be a seminal moment. Not for a moment am I taking it as a given as I see Derry as a huge threat on Sunday. Your county man Liam Hayes said in his book that they used to relish keeping Dublin down as beating them made Dublin question whether they were good enough. They used to target new players on the team to make sure that they didn't establish themselves etc. That conversation is for another day anyway. Lets wait until Sunday to see where we are at!!
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Post by homerj on Jul 13, 2023 11:41:54 GMT
thehermit - I am sure your point are valid but these factors impact alot of counties, not just Kerry - there's also alot of people who dont work weekends, who can afford to do, just dont bother going but then just turn up for the final. i dont accept success is a reason why people dont turn up, we should all be privileged to see our team play, but some people take the opposite view. At times, our support is embarrassing and so are some of the excuses. our team deserves better.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 13, 2023 13:00:00 GMT
The last paragraph of that piece by Jim is ridiculous. IF and its a only a IF Dublin were to beat Kerry in a final that wouldn't impact 2024. The old boys get older and probably retire on top. Leaving Dublin in transition in my opinion because so much of what's good about them is demonstrated in Mccarthy, Fitzsimmons, Cluxton, Kilkenny, Rock and they probably will hang up thd boots. I actually agree with McGuinness on this and was only talking to someone about it during the week. Providing we get to a final and end up playing Dublin it could be a seminal moment. Not for a moment am I taking it as a given as I see Derry as a huge threat on Sunday. Your county man Liam Hayes said in his book that they used to relish keeping Dublin down as beating them made Dublin question whether they were good enough. They used to target new players on the team to make sure that they didn't establish themselves etc. That conversation is for another day anyway. Lets wait until Sunday to see where we are at!! My only point is Dublin winning the All Ireland doesn't mean that the floodgates will open and they will dominant again. Let's behonest this is likely the last dance for a few of their key fellas. Please wash your mouth out with soap after your comment about my county man. He's not my county man.
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Post by somethingwitty on Jul 13, 2023 13:33:39 GMT
Is there any thoughts anyone has on team selection for the match? Would Kerry be best off keeping an unchanged side or would any changes be of benefit for the game? Also, does anyone have an idea on who could pick up Ciaran Mcfaul?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 13, 2023 14:57:07 GMT
I think they will try unsettle the positioning of Tadgh to create a channel through the centre, similar to Tyrone in 21, Derry will need at least two goals to beat us, I just can't see that happening.
Physically, there may be a case for O'Beagleoich for Murphy, but in all honesty, Murphy has played well in last two outings.
Therefore, I invisage the same XV from the Tyrone game will start with only changes to the bench, Spillane in etc.
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Post by john4 on Jul 13, 2023 15:12:32 GMT
That's fine but for a family of four with 2 adults and 2 kids all that money is coming from the one pot. Throw in the price of tickets and some tea / coffee and snacks on the drive and it all adds up. Cork away, Louth in portlaoise, Tyrone in Dublin all so far this year. Not to mention Kerry minors and u20s, so completely understand when some people say they just can't afford it. If Kerry make the final I couldn't afford to take the 2 kids with tickets being so expensive so are treating this like their All ireland There was 30000 there from Clare last Sunday. Similiar from Mayo the week before. Other counties can take 20,000 to games. Why is it only Kerry that have these excuses? I'd like to see Adam Moynihan run a poll on twitter to get to the bottom of the reasons why people are reluctant to travel to Croke Park. Otherwise it's only speculation. Over to you Adam, and let twitter do it's thing!
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Post by homerj on Jul 13, 2023 15:22:14 GMT
There was 30000 there from Clare last Sunday. Similiar from Mayo the week before. Other counties can take 20,000 to games. Why is it only Kerry that have these excuses? I'd like to see Adam Moynihan run a poll on twitter to get to the bottom of the reasons why people are reluctant to travel to Croke Park. Otherwise it's only speculation. Over to you Adam, and let twitter do it's thing! in fairness, most would just select cost or distance. it would be pretty useless. i doubt hed even add a "waiting for the final option" or "No interest/couldnt be arsed"
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Post by homerj on Jul 13, 2023 15:23:10 GMT
Is there any thoughts anyone has on team selection for the match? Would Kerry be best off keeping an unchanged side or would any changes be of benefit for the game? Also, does anyone have an idea on who could pick up Ciaran Mcfaul? Murt after his record day on twitter yesterday, getting fierce excited saying theres some interesting team news coming.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 13, 2023 15:24:45 GMT
Hard to see any changes I might have a look at sob and beaglaoich but they give great punch off the bench something which we lack a bit of. All 15 played well from what I saw the last day Shane Ryan doesn't get the write ups of the other more celebrated (celebrity?) Goalies bit rarely puts a foot wrong either in play or from kickouts just nice and quietly does his job even though he is a better footballer than some of the others out the pitch !
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 13, 2023 15:47:04 GMT
Is there any thoughts anyone has on team selection for the match? Would Kerry be best off keeping an unchanged side or would any changes be of benefit for the game? Also, does anyone have an idea on who could pick up Ciaran Mcfaul? Murt after his record day on twitter yesterday, getting fierce excited saying theres some interesting team news coming. I saw that... He loves those tweets...
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Post by somethingwitty on Jul 13, 2023 15:51:45 GMT
Hard to see any changes I might have a look at sob and beaglaoich but they give great punch off the bench something which we lack a bit of. All 15 played well from what I saw the last day Shane Ryan doesn't get the write ups of the other more celebrated (celebrity?) Goalies bit rarely puts a foot wrong either in play or from kickouts just nice and quietly does his job even though he is a better footballer than some of the others out the pitch ! Shane Ryan has really made the position his own. I'd imagine he doesn't get alot of talk about him as normally if a goal keeper has a had a great game it means the defence has a had a poor one. But he has been great this year, especially the mayo game in my opinion
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Post by somethingwitty on Jul 13, 2023 15:57:55 GMT
I think they will try unsettle the positioning of Tadgh to create a channel through the centre, similar to Tyrone in 21, Derry will need at least two goals to beat us, I just can't see that happening. Physically, there may be a case for O'Beagleoich for Murphy, but in all honesty, Murphy has played well in last two outings. Therefore, I invisage the same XV from the Tyrone game will start with only changes to the bench, Spillane in etc. Do you think Derry will try to push up on Morley so to try to make him man mark one of their attackers? Personally I cant see them committing too many men forward in fear of a counter attack as I'd imagine Derry would be incredibly fearful of conceding goals and having a huge mountain to try and overcome.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jul 13, 2023 16:10:09 GMT
Would really like to see SOB start the weekend. I think his jinky, low centre of gravity, gluteus maximus enforced runs can really cause Derry trouble and draw frees etcetera… also on a side note, think Paul Geaney deserves credit for his season so far… I think he’s been brilliant in every game, the mayo game he scored big even though we lost, the rest of games, he’s been a great foil and link and really putting up some great assists and ball winning ability which takes the first step pressure of Clifford which feeds other players in to the game and then pop that final ball to Clifford. Geaney having very underrated season primary because he’s not scoring like he used to… probably his last year too. Up the kingdom. I think we will dismantle Derry. We are simply too good all over the park.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 13, 2023 17:12:41 GMT
I honesty don't see Derry doing anything different from what they have been doing already, if they change their system players won't know what to do and Kerry could destroy them. Key for Kerry is to get ahead early, be up 2-3 points after 15 minutes, score could be 3 to 6 points. Derry could start getting frustrated as they will need to force it to get more scores and it could open up for a goal for Kerry. Once Kerry score a goal then it is game over
To get ahead early I would not be afraid to go for long range scores, that really disheartens the blanket defences.
Also wouldn't make any changes to the starting lineup,
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 13, 2023 17:26:14 GMT
I can't see how you drop any player after the Tyrone game.
For me it's the bench that should be interesting.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 13, 2023 17:43:02 GMT
thehermit - I am sure your point are valid but these factors impact alot of counties, not just Kerry - there's also alot of people who dont work weekends, who can afford to do, just dont bother going but then just turn up for the final. i dont accept success is a reason why people dont turn up, we should all be privileged to see our team play, but some people take the opposite view. At times, our support is embarrassing and so are some of the excuses. our team deserves better. I agree 100%.We can all make excuses. The most expensive day to go is the final yet everyone wants to go. I net a nan a few Mt's ago and told me he has nt missed Kerry play in a final since 75.The same man admitted to me he has nt been to a semi in croke park since 2000 altho he was in Limerick in 14.Our support is embarrassing at times but agree with an earlier poster that yes most on this forum are avid fans. I understand the expense but the fans that follow Kerry through thick and thin deserve all ireland tickets b4 the bandwagon crew. Any person who follows Kerry through thick and thin should have a season ticket and if they don’t it’s their own fault.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 13, 2023 17:48:40 GMT
Hard to see any changes I might have a look at sob and beaglaoich but they give great punch off the bench something which we lack a bit of. All 15 played well from what I saw the last day Shane Ryan doesn't get the write ups of the other more celebrated (celebrity?) Goalies bit rarely puts a foot wrong either in play or from kickouts just nice and quietly does his job even though he is a better footballer than some of the others out the pitch ! Shane Ryan has really made the position his own. I'd imagine he doesn't get alot of talk about him as normally if a goal keeper has a had a great game it means the defence has a had a poor one. But he has been great this year, especially the mayo game in my opinion Shane Ryan is getting better and better. Very comfortable in Croke park now and kick outs against Tyrone were excellent in the 2nd half when they were trying to push up on him. Also knows when to make himself available out the field when needed without over committing. Hope we haven’t jinxed him now. On the team selection I’d expect it to be the same unless Jack & Co identify any match up issues.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 13, 2023 17:57:11 GMT
All this positivity is making me nervous!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 13, 2023 18:17:50 GMT
Jim McGuinness writing in The Irish Times flagged that he is concerned that Kerry could become dominant for the coming years. Unusually for Jim though, love or loath him, but his assertion was short on justification - just relying on the Tyrone game really as that is all we have beaten; one swallow making a spring, etc.
Still we pray he is right!
I also note the mood change on here - we are all getting a bit jumpy; realistically we are all guilty of seeing beyond the weekend and like auld John B once said of the contenders in a brawl in the hall - if we weren't fearful there would be something seriously wrong!
Not meaning to give Padraig Power airtime, lest I be accused of being funded by Renault, Padraig can't split us though the Dubs were the one team a lot of our own mentioned at the outset.
My take is that we have the beating of them but it will take everything we have. I recall our pal Veteran questioning my assertion that this was the best ever crew in the making. Ah that McGuinness has some cheek now agreeing with me all these years later! Hold on - my phone is hot - them STD codes - 021, 074, 041, 045, 091 (wow), 098 (me managing the real boyos in blue!) - now for my backroom team!
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Post by exiled on Jul 13, 2023 18:26:03 GMT
Did anyone else think that Geaney gave away some silly frees against Tyrone. I counted 3 and 2pts scored from them. With Dublin Joe reffing we need to be disciplined in our tackling.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 13, 2023 18:42:25 GMT
Did anyone else think that Geaney gave away some silly frees against Tyrone. I counted 3 and 2pts scored from them. With Dublin Joe reffing we need to be disciplined in our tackling. Tackling has never been Paul’s forte!
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Post by homerj on Jul 13, 2023 19:07:50 GMT
team announced. if i am correct, its exactly the same team and 26 as Tyrone.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 13, 2023 19:13:49 GMT
team announced. if i am correct, its exactly the same team and 26 as Tyrone. It is, A bit surprised Killian didn't make the bench.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 13, 2023 19:24:27 GMT
Yes that's a surprise alright.
Still happy out its the same auld same after the last two performances!
Do us proud on Sunday lads!
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Post by homerj on Jul 13, 2023 19:54:23 GMT
team announced. if i am correct, its exactly the same team and 26 as Tyrone. It is, A bit surprised Killian didn't make the bench. he is injured i think. what other players are there on the panel that injured apart from Joe and Stefan? Ronan Buckley, Chris O Donoghue, Jack O Shea must be still in there, anybody else?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 13, 2023 20:18:13 GMT
It is, A bit surprised Killian didn't make the bench. he is injured i think. what other players are there on the panel that injured apart from Joe and Stefan? Ronan Buckley, Chris O Donoghue, Jack O Shea must be still in there, anybody else? Jack said during the week he was back training and available for selection.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 13, 2023 21:22:41 GMT
Jack said during the week he was back training and available for selection. Yeah I thought Jack said we had a clean bill of health. Maybe Klian just not up to speed yet. I envisage lacking match sharpness. If he isn't involved against Derry we can write him off if we get to the final as well... he won't gain the required sharpness or intensity from A vs B games .
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