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Post by tpo on Apr 16, 2023 20:45:58 GMT
Both teams knew that a defeat didn't hinder chances of winning Sam
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Post by thehermit on Apr 16, 2023 20:52:59 GMT
As an aside that new rule from last year allowing additional sponsors is going to destroy jerseys. That shoe city sticker on the Monaghan geansai looks awful.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 16, 2023 21:07:49 GMT
Both teams knew that a defeat didn't hinder chances of winning Sam Probably bolstered them. No grueling Ulster Championship. |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 16, 2023 22:59:27 GMT
We’ve the third seeds at home in the first game of the round robin provided we win Munster. The 3rd seeds will be Mayo, Tyrone, the loser of Roscommon vs Galway and the loser of Derry vs Monaghan. A meeting with Mayo, Tyrone, Galway or even Derry in Killarney would be brilliant. Roscommon or Monaghan mightn’t bring as much excitement if the league clashes are anything to go by although both have had excellent championship wins away from home.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 17, 2023 10:09:13 GMT
3 of the top 4 Div 1 teams are 3rd seeds.
Mayo, Tyrone and Roscommon/Galway.
The loser of Monaghan/Derry will be the final 3rd seed (bar Kerry losing to Tipp)
Kerry's unbeaten home record in the Championship since 1995 will be getting a strong test this year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 17, 2023 16:28:23 GMT
Kerry v Mayo in 2019 was what was originally envisaged for the super 8s.
Packed Fitzgerald stadium, roasting hot day, Killarney was buzzing.
The que to get on thr train in Heuston was amazing that morning.
Standing room only to Mallow.
For that alone I'm hoping for Mayo....
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 17, 2023 17:02:53 GMT
Keep an eye on the fourth seeds - not wishing to be presumptuous but if we win Munster our away game will be against a 4th seed and the old enemy Cork are going to be in pot 4.
The benefit of winning your province is a home game against a team from pot 3 with the "big" game against the second seed at a neutral venue. This is a definite advantage given how pot three is shaping up - I would be nervous playing the third seeds away as things are shaping up. And of course the benefit of winning your group is passage straight to a QF and a weekend off.
Next weekend has a lot of games which will begin to make the picture clearer.
I presume home and away arrangements will be irrelevant come the championship proper and venues will be as published. Does every county have a home ground capable of taking a crowd if the draw pits some heavyweights in the round robin phase.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 17, 2023 19:20:44 GMT
The draw in connacht and the paucity of leinster and munster outside of the big 2 makes winning your province a very big advantage this year particularly.
A home game in killarney against a mayo tyrone galway etc would be great i wouldn't fear anyone and i mean anyone in killarney its excatlly what the championship needs imo.
The sheen of playing in a half empty croke park is long gone for me personally even though its only a short journey for me. I hope every game takes place where its meant to so what if people cant attend so what it will create a buzz around getting tickets etc.
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Post by Joxer on Apr 18, 2023 10:56:27 GMT
Keep an eye on the fourth seeds - not wishing to be presumptuous but if we win Munster our away game will be against a 4th seed and the old enemy Cork are going to be in pot 4. I would imagine Cork will have some nervous eyes on Leinster and Ulster games next weekend! No guarantee Cork will make Pot 4 and the risk of the trap door into the Tailteann Cup still exists for them. Next weekend will tell a lot. |
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 18, 2023 14:06:56 GMT
Keep an eye on the fourth seeds - not wishing to be presumptuous but if we win Munster our away game will be against a 4th seed and the old enemy Cork are going to be in pot 4. I would imagine Cork will have some nervous eyes on Leinster and Ulster games next weekend! No guarantee Cork will make Pot 4 and the risk of the trap door into the Tailteann Cup still exists for them. Next weekend will tell a lot. Agree next weekends games will tell a lot - however it would require two lowly ranked teams (below Cork in 12th) to make their provincial finals in addition to the two that we already know that will make a provincial final (1 in Munster and 1 in Connaught). This would require some major upsets which are difficult to see happening. In particular Meath and Cavan need to make a provincial final as both are in line to loose out due to the Munster and Connaught draws but both have a daunting path to achieving this. Kildare are the most likely to climb the rankings but this would still leave Cork clinging onto the final spot. The Kildare side of the Leinster draw has only 1 team ranked above Cork with three below them. |
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 19, 2023 14:30:21 GMT
Keep an eye on the fourth seeds - not wishing to be presumptuous but if we win Munster our away game will be against a 4th seed and the old enemy Cork are going to be in pot 4. I would imagine Cork will have some nervous eyes on Leinster and Ulster games next weekend! No guarantee Cork will make Pot 4 and the risk of the trap door into the Tailteann Cup still exists for them. Next weekend will tell a lot. Cork would be better off in Tailteann Cup anyway. Would have a chance of winning it which would give them a bye into Sam in 2024. Cork are a shambles this year, would get 3 heavy losses in round robin. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 19, 2023 17:11:32 GMT
I would imagine Cork will have some nervous eyes on Leinster and Ulster games next weekend! No guarantee Cork will make Pot 4 and the risk of the trap door into the Tailteann Cup still exists for them. Next weekend will tell a lot. Cork would be better off in Tailteann Cup anyway. Would have a chance of winning it which would give them a bye into Sam in 2024. Cork are a shambles this year, would get 3 heavy losses in round robin. That's actually a very valid point Cork maybe should use as a stepping stone .. |
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 23, 2023 9:58:17 GMT
First game out for the Dubs today, and just watch how they deliberately try to create and hunt as many goal-scoring opportunities as possible against Laois. They may not have some of the long-range point scoring forward talent or general scoring talent (especially in the half forward line) they had during their decade of glory from the 10s but tactically they remain the smartest attaching team around. How many goals would the Dubs have banged in against opposition like current Tipperary? In tight big games when defences lock down point scoring opportunities it’s goals that can unlock games and prove decisive - same as it ever was. Teams are very even up near the top and in this year you might not need to be the best just the smartest.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 23, 2023 14:54:56 GMT
 Water is wet, fire is hot, and Dublin have 2 goals scored inside 15 minutes. Tactically, attacking wise, when it comes to going for the juggler and bulging the net no side does it better. Great for supporters to watch too, direct and going for the net. You just know Dublin will score goals with a certainty that no other team does. A great asset to have any day but especially on the days when just being happy to score points won't be enough to see you home.
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Post by gaelicden on Apr 23, 2023 15:43:14 GMT
Meath are staring Tailteann Cup right down the barrel now, down 1-08 to 0-02 against Offaly at Halftime. A big second half on the line for Meath football.
Edit: FT Offaly 1-11 v 0-10 Meath, and Meath are now out of Leinster, now out of Sam Maguire, and into the Tailteann cup.
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Post by gaelicden on Apr 23, 2023 16:49:15 GMT
The permutations are also clearer now, only two teams left in the provincial championships that need to make their provincial finals (Offaly and Down).
Based on today's performances, Kildare don't have a hope of beating Dublin IMO and are potentially in the chopping block. Cork will also be looking nervously over their shoulder.
With Louth (more or less) and Armagh guaranteed their places in Sam Maguire, these two games will be interesting.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 23, 2023 17:01:09 GMT
It's a mindset thing! 4-30 is some merciless scoring from Dublin. If you’re a Tipperary footballer you might suddenly be thinking things could have been a whole lot worse. We tell our kids to take your points and the goals will come but the Dubs have gone the other way. They look to create and go for the goals first and foremost in every game. A good mindset to have.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 23, 2023 17:18:50 GMT
Meath football is in a bad place
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 23, 2023 18:30:58 GMT
Meath football is in a bad place People saying Offaly winning was a surprise. But in reality was it? This didn't happen today or yesterday either. Getting to a few Leinster finals had papered over the cracks but this has been coming for a while now. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 23, 2023 18:50:37 GMT
Meath football is in a bad place People saying Offaly winning was a surprise. But in reality was it? This didn't happen today or yesterday either. Getting to a few Leinster finals had papered over the cracks but this has been coming for a while now. By all accounts there was a major row after the Dublin league game. He has by all accounts lost the dressing room by his lack of tactical awareness. Not supprised by today's result as Offaly are on the up. |
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Post by tpo on Apr 23, 2023 19:34:48 GMT
Heard some of his own starting players not happy with him.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 23, 2023 20:00:54 GMT
Heard some of his own starting players not happy with him. Not as easy as sitting on the couch in RTE judging others. That being said he managed Simonstown to 2 county championships but there's a big difference between that and intercounty. |
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Post by thehermit on Apr 23, 2023 20:01:56 GMT
People saying Offaly winning was a surprise. But in reality was it? This didn't happen today or yesterday either. Getting to a few Leinster finals had papered over the cracks but this has been coming for a while now. By all accounts there was a major row after the Dublin league game. He has by all accounts lost the dressing room by his lack of tactical awareness. Not supprised by today's result as Offaly are on the up. Really? Janey that's a bad situation when you consider that for years there's been such a demand for O'Rourke to step in and be the great saviour |
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Post by john4 on Apr 23, 2023 20:09:02 GMT
By all accounts there was a major row after the Dublin league game. He has by all accounts lost the dressing room by his lack of tactical awareness. Not supprised by today's result as Offaly are on the up. Really? Janey that's a bad situation when you consider that for years there's been such a demand for O'Rourke to step in and be the great saviour Were Meath ever a tactically clever team, my memory of them, even in their successful eras, was that it was linked to brute force with a few talented individuals included. The game has evolved beyond the level of their ability. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 23, 2023 21:03:31 GMT
Really? Janey that's a bad situation when you consider that for years there's been such a demand for O'Rourke to step in and be the great saviour Were Meath ever a tactically clever team, my memory of them, even in their successful eras, was that it was linked to brute force with a few talented individuals included. The game has evolved beyond the level of their ability. Ahh I think there was an image of Meath based of their games in the late 80s against Cork and one infamous semi with Tyrone. But they had players, Geraghty, Giles, flynn and ORourke, McDerrmot would have graced any team. Meath have positives, A good centre of excellence, Redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann Some underage success. Unfortunately for Leinster Kildare, Meath and Offaly and Laois all fell off a cliff and now can't get out of Dublins shadow. |
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Post by clarinman on Apr 23, 2023 21:43:03 GMT
Sad to see the demise of Meath but I would say there are more problems than COR s management.Meath have been poor for years.Cork should be safe enough.For Cork not to make the last 16 both Offaly and Down would have to win their semi finals unless Kildare pulled off a shock by beating Dublin. I thought Meath were pretty decent against us in the super 8s in Navan in 2019. Sad to see them slide so far down the ranks. |
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 23, 2023 22:20:21 GMT
Likely seeds for Sam. This will be confirmed
1st (Provincial Champs)
Kerry
Dublin
Derry
Galway
2nd (Provincial Runners-Up)
Sligo
Louth
Armagh
Clare
3rd Seeds
Mayo
Tyrone
Monaghan
Roscommon
4th Seeds
Westmeath
Donegal
Cork
Kildare
At this stage these seem the likely seeds at the moment but that can change still. From this I would say Kerrys toughest group would look something like
Kerry
Sligo
Mayo
Donegal
This group would mean Mayo in Killarney, Donegal in Ballybofey & Sligo in neutral.
I would definitely prefer to see a bigger gun like Mayo/Tyrone come to Killarney rather than a Monaghan/Roscommon in all due respects to them but we'd like to pack out Killarney and I don't think those latter 2 counties would draw a full house. Last time Killarney was full was 2019 vs Mayo and what an atmosphere it was.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 23, 2023 22:34:38 GMT
Likely seeds for Sam. This will be confirmed 1st (Provincial Champs) Kerry Dublin Derry Galway 2nd (Provincial Runners-Up) Sligo Louth Armagh Clare 3rd Seeds Mayo Tyrone Monaghan Roscommon 4th Seeds Westmeath Donegal Cork Kildare At this stage these seem the likely seeds at the moment but that can change still. From this I would say Kerrys toughest group would look something like Kerry Sligo Mayo Donegal This group would mean Mayo in Killarney, Donegal in Ballybofey & Sligo in neutral. I would definitely prefer to see a bigger gun like Mayo/Tyrone come to Killarney rather than a Monaghan/Roscommon in all due respects to them but we'd like to pack out Killarney and I don't think those latter 2 counties would draw a full house. Last time Killarney was full was 2019 vs Mayo and what an atmosphere it was. . Armagh as 2nd seed would make it a tougher group. It’s open draw |
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 23, 2023 22:37:51 GMT
Likely seeds for Sam. This will be confirmed 1st (Provincial Champs) Kerry Dublin Derry Galway 2nd (Provincial Runners-Up) Sligo Louth Armagh Clare 3rd Seeds Mayo Tyrone Monaghan Roscommon 4th Seeds Westmeath Donegal Cork Kildare At this stage these seem the likely seeds at the moment but that can change still. From this I would say Kerrys toughest group would look something like Kerry Sligo Mayo Donegal This group would mean Mayo in Killarney, Donegal in Ballybofey & Sligo in neutral. I would definitely prefer to see a bigger gun like Mayo/Tyrone come to Killarney rather than a Monaghan/Roscommon in all due respects to them but we'd like to pack out Killarney and I don't think those latter 2 counties would draw a full house. Last time Killarney was full was 2019 vs Mayo and what an atmosphere it was. . Armagh as 2nd seed would make it a tougher group. It’s open draw Not for the 1st 2 seeds... Kerry are guaranteed to be paired with a Connacht finalist in their round robin |
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Post by peanuts on Apr 23, 2023 23:01:13 GMT
. Armagh as 2nd seed would make it a tougher group. It’s open draw Not for the 1st 2 seeds... Kerry are guaranteed to be paired with a Connacht finalist in their round robin That’s not the case. It was clarified recently that it’s open draw. |
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Water is wet, fire is hot, and Dublin have 2 goals scored inside 15 minutes. Tactically, attacking wise, when it comes to going for the juggler and bulging the net no side does it better. Great for supporters to watch too, direct and going for the net. You just know Dublin will score goals with a certainty that no other team does. A great asset to have any day but especially on the days when just being happy to score points won't be enough to see you home. 
