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Post by kerryexile on Mar 28, 2023 4:33:18 GMT
As part of the assessment of the league a few things should be added.
I didn't see the game on Sunday but did listen to it on Radio Kerry on the internet. When summing up at the end the presenter put it to Billy O'Shea that Kerry had been basically outplayed several times during the league. Billy wasn't buying it but did not counter the uninformed comment with the aclarity it deserved. I would have said "No one has seen a fully fit, fresh Kerry player kick a ball so far this year. Your comment is set in the context of a team in preseason". And it must be said that pages and pages of criticism have been posted to this forum oblivious to the condition of the players. Everything from the disaster of not retaining the McGrath Cup to the imagined limitations of summer players vs winter players has been mentioned.
I thought Kerry had a great league. Repeatedly they tried to improvise by playing a more intuitive game. This will stand to them in the long run. They will have learned a lot about each other.
I don't think the panel is finalised yet. There could be players starting that have gone unnoticed so far.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 28, 2023 7:48:47 GMT
I don't think the panel is finalised yet. There could be players starting that have gone unnoticed so far. I don't know, looking at club and county championship ball, I cannot see any bolter or unused player staking a championship berth, Mike Breen saw very little league ball, similar O'Brien and O'Beagleoich due to injury. The above three, when fit will be key or play pivotal roles for us, other than that, I don't know. I had held out high hopes for Buckley and O'Donoghue but both have slipped through the net... for whatever reaspn.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 28, 2023 10:40:19 GMT
I don't think the panel is finalised yet. There could be players starting that have gone unnoticed so far. I don't know, looking at club and county championship ball, I cannot see any bolter or unused player staking a championship berth, Mike Breen saw very little league ball, similar O'Brien and O'Beagleoich due to injury. The above three, when fit will be key or play pivotal roles for us, other than that, I don't know. I had held out high hopes for Buckley and O'Donoghue but both have slipped through the net... for whatever reaspn. Jack O’Connor mentioned Dan O’Donoghue after the game, it appears he was injured rather than just being overlooked. Still though it’s hard to see him having too big a role in the championship without a league behind him. "We obviously have the likes of Brian O Beaglaoich, Mike Breen, Stephen O'Brien to come back. Dan O'Donoghue played a club game last night after a setback he had. Our panel will be stronger.“ I’d agree, I can’t see any new player seeing championship game time without having gotten a good run in the league. I would have liked to have seen game time for Mark Ryan and Ronan Buckley but it appears neither are in the management’s plans for this year.
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Post by homerj on Mar 28, 2023 15:19:37 GMT
it really is incredible to read over and over how negative people are every time theres a defeat. we lost 3 games by a kick of a ball, in games by and large where we were missing 7 or 8 starters each week. last year we games by close margins, had the stronger teams at home, this year had them away, +1. Jack was clear, staying up was the priority. we almost made it to a league final too, if that freak goal doesnt go in, i think wed have won the last day and won by 4 points to get to a final.
that said, for sure theres a few lads only being sarcastic with the negative talk.....
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 28, 2023 15:41:09 GMT
it really is incredible to read over and over how negative people are every time theres a defeat. we lost 3 games by a kick of a ball, in games by and large where we were missing 7 or 8 starters each week. last year we games by close margins, had the stronger teams at home, this year had them away, +1. Jack was clear, staying up was the priority. we almost made it to a league final too, if that freak goal doesnt go in, i think wed have won the last day and won by 4 points to get to a final. that said, for sure theres a few lads only being sarcastic with the negative talk..... A four point win over Galway would not have been enough to make the league final - Roscommon's big win over Donegal meant we would have needed a 12 point win over Galway to claim the second final berth.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 28, 2023 16:30:33 GMT
it really is incredible to read over and over how negative people are every time theres a defeat. we lost 3 games by a kick of a ball, in games by and large where we were missing 7 or 8 starters each week. last year we games by close margins, had the stronger teams at home, this year had them away, +1. Jack was clear, staying up was the priority. we almost made it to a league final too, if that freak goal doesnt go in, i think wed have won the last day and won by 4 points to get to a final. that said, for sure theres a few lads only being sarcastic with the negative talk..... A four point win over Galway would not have been enough to make the league final - Roscommon's big win over Donegal meant we would have needed a 12 point win over Galway to claim the second final berth. A 9 point win would have seen Kerry pip Roscommon on points scored.
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Post by collinswotth1 on Mar 29, 2023 2:20:14 GMT
Things to fix going forward
1 Need to get a midfield that as good attacking as they are defending need more input from midfield a lot more.
2 Need to realize that we have become too predictable in attack .
Galway had done their video work and made a good investment of man power on DC side Knowing that DC side is where we go and go often it was a no brainer for them ' Armagh had done the same in Tralee in February where they basically shut Down DC that night in Tralee. We are making it too easy for teams by only having a limited playbook Other teams will do same if we dont add some variety to our attack. That night in Tralee I saw Dara Roche making many good runs on the left side often wide open ,often free and at worst man to man 'one on one ' but little or no ball coming to him due to the over playing of the heavily marked DC on the 13 side need to address this.
3 Need to bring more variety into attack
Recall the AI final in September where the well flighted high ball won us several marks and high catches I dont see Sean Kelly beating DC in the air none of that evident on Sunday You may Recall how Maurice Fitz in 2000 v Galway took it upon himself to vacate the 14 position and went to midfield late in the game and made those game changing catches that ultimately won the final for us that little switch up in the game even if for a few minutes keeping the opposition off balance. Consider DC even for a few minutes taking his two or three markers outfield while we are in the attack and in possession that s creating huge space inside for other s with overlaps and overloads but we need to back our other forwards and give them ball when available
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 29, 2023 14:40:26 GMT
And did I mention line breaks
When is the last time you’ve seen a Kerry player bursting through a tackle while going at pace and momentum A previous poster on this thread mentioned the Okunbar had made a few good breaks to get past two defenders on several occasions and that was rare and refreshing to see Dara Roche showed some of that as did Donal Down so what if one or two breaks down once in a while You’ll break through and the goal will beckon Steven O Brien probably out best direct runner but even he has been turning back just at the point where he could have broke through or the point where he could have drawn the foul I would love to see this once in awhile from inside 20 meter line The tippy tappy passed are good and we have some of the best exponents of that and we need that accurate passing But once in a while we need a player to make a bursting line break and throw something different at the opposition Which we are letting off way too easy Throw in some midfield attacking on top of this once in a while Then we’re put teams properly on the back foot Right now I think we’re way too predictable and way too easy to play against
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 29, 2023 21:40:47 GMT
I understand all that yes players get called out on it when it doesn’t work That’s why the game has become so robotic But the upside of such an attacking play is huge . In recent years Con O Callaghan has been the master at it thankfully for us he’s been playing more cagey lately Maybe they have finally managed to coach the creativity out of him ? I’m just saying that’s only one of the many plays we need to use In order to change up and vary the attack Little or no high ball against Galway Little or no running at them when in close and way too repetitive in how we attacked down the right We got joy on the left when moved quickly there David Clifford is potentially one of the best forwards we’ve ever produced but he’s not Superman !
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Post by piskin on Mar 31, 2023 22:51:13 GMT
Hopefully the management will alternate the tactics for the championship to counteract this route one into d Clifford. I still would like to see him in the half-forward line for a while. For so called talented forwards they seem to lack guile.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 2, 2023 21:15:45 GMT
Dublin looking good
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Post by thehermit on Apr 2, 2023 22:18:47 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 2, 2023 23:39:59 GMT
If you think scoring 6 points in 70 minutes then yes, they are great
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Post by colinsworth1 on Apr 3, 2023 3:20:46 GMT
Dublin looking good Galway looking good Mayo looking good
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 3, 2023 7:32:31 GMT
If you think scoring 6 points in 70 minutes then yes, they are great Canavan on TSG found them 'uninspiring' and IMO it only adds to the conundrum, what with Clux and the other prodigals! Paul Flynn had a nice take on things on said TSG once he took off his jersey.
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Post by fitz on Apr 3, 2023 7:34:59 GMT
If you think scoring 6 points in 70 minutes then yes, they are great I think it was that they could have had 8 goals in the second half, that grabbed the attention against a supposedly mean defence
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 3, 2023 8:05:32 GMT
If you think scoring 6 points in 70 minutes then yes, they are great I think it was that they could have had 8 goals in the second half, that grabbed the attention against a supposedly mean defence I think they have been underwhelming to behonest. They were better in thr 2nd half but what did the hit 10 scores ? Division 2 was very poor this year and they just got over, Clare,Cork and Kildare and lost to Derry.
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 3, 2023 8:36:57 GMT
League is only shadow boxing - Dublin will waltz through Leinster and we will only get to see what they are made of when the group stage kicks in.
What is troubling for them is the continued reliance on the elder lemons and bringing back older players is a huge vote of no confidence by management in the younger lads. O Callaghan staying injury free is as important to Dublin as DC is to Kerry. This makes both sides vulnerable and this years Championship is wide open.
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Post by homerj on Apr 3, 2023 11:33:59 GMT
i would say in order, the favs for All Ireland are -
Mayo Dublin Galway
Bookies have us as favourites but we are way off it in my opinion. we could be having a very short year this year.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 3, 2023 11:59:42 GMT
i would say in order, the favs for All Ireland are - Mayo Dublin Galway Bookies have us as favourites but we are way off it in my opinion. we could be having a very short year this year. A lot of our certain starters have played little or no football - if we can get O’Beaglaoich, White, Diarmuid O’Connor & Stephen O’Brien back to championship pace we are as good as most - remember too Seanie O’Shea has very little done due to injury. Jack knew that the league this year was going to be tough given the away games we had - I would say it’s job accomplished as far as he is concerned. We need to come up with a plan B regarding Morley as teams have his role figured out - I don’t fear Galway & Mayo are very much forward in terms of fitness vis a vis everybody else - think it’s us or Dublin.
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