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Post by kingdomkerry on Mar 26, 2023 14:22:55 GMT
Every team we play defends with 15 behind the ball. Are we not going to develop a strategy at all because we are clueless.
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Post by gaelicden on Mar 26, 2023 14:23:27 GMT
Well that's that for the league, another loss away from home. One can say we lost by a bad goal but that bad goal has been representative of our league campaign IMO, errors, poor handling, no cohesion, lack of discipline etc. To be blunt about it this campaign was a disaster for Kerry.
It's now two titles we've given up easily this year. we've won 0 games away from home in any competition. Thank god (assuming it's Tipp in the MSF and Cork in the final) our next two games should be at home in that regard before the All Ireland group stage begins. The way the year is going we won't be retaining our All Ireland I feel.
*On another note, how the hell did Monaghan stay up AGAIN? I swear they're just running on fumes at this stage 😂
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Mar 26, 2023 14:28:39 GMT
Well that's that for the league, another loss away from home. One can say we lost by a bad goal but that bad goal has been representative of our league campaign IMO, errors, poor handling, no cohesion, lack of discipline etc. To be blunt about it this campaign was a disaster for Kerry. It's now two titles we've given up easily this year. we've won 0 games away from home in any competition. Thank god (assuming it's Tipp in the MSF and Cork in the final) our next two games should be at home in that regard before the All Ireland group stage begins. The way the year is going we won't be retaining our All Ireland I feel. A disaster would be getting relegated. I know we performed poorly at times but this was far from a disaster.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 26, 2023 14:33:54 GMT
I thought the best team on the day won today even if the goal was another gift. Galway were missing one of their best players and true midfield leader but they still looked stronger, more cohesive, and definitely a more direct outfit. Kerry kicked some bad wides and took wrong options repeating a trend we’ve seen too often in this league campaign. The penchant by Kerry to repeatedly play tippy tappy football into corners and going nowhere fast is most frustrating to watch.
My friends "lies, damned lies, and statistics” is a phrase describing the persuasive power of statistics to bolster weak arguments. These ageing eyes saw the best midfielder by a considerable distance in the All Ireland final was without a shadow of doubt Cillian McDaid of Galway. They have a few new bodies and when one considers McDaid is yet to come back to the fold from injury and when Comer is fully fit then Galway are going to be a mighty force to reckon with in 2023. The West is awake.
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Post by taggert on Mar 26, 2023 14:37:58 GMT
Dara Moynihan aside, no impact or impetus from the subs. Paul Murphy and Jack Barry struggled throughout but it was Dylan and Barry Dan who made way. The forward play was dysfunctional and predictable in equal measure for much of the game. The obsession taking possession deep into the far corner is bizarre.
Full back line was excellent. Barry Dan very good.
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Post by legendz on Mar 26, 2023 14:38:20 GMT
Another away gift of a goal. Some bad wides again today as well. A few weeks now to get things right ahead of the championship.
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Post by oldschool on Mar 26, 2023 14:38:44 GMT
Time was when Kerry teams could kick points from 2OM to 35m from goal and also do it on the run Today I saw them trying to get to 14yds line to score. Over complicated too many good plays. Coaching needs to be upped
Can anyone give a fair number for the amount of scorable chances missed by Kerry?
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 26, 2023 14:40:11 GMT
We are clearly mid pack after this league campaign, big question is can we time a big finish come the business end of things. Forwards were disappointing today with DC off form with his kicks from play. Ran into too many cul-de-sacs and were turned over by Galway - a lot of players showed their weaknesses with old failings on display. None of the contenders did enough to be claiming a championship jersey but some signs of a decent panel emerging and hopefully some of these lads can learn from the league and kick on another notch come the summer. Plenty to be worried about, absolutely nothing to be complacent about but still room for hope that we will be there or thereabouts come the end of July.
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Post by trevor73 on Mar 26, 2023 14:43:22 GMT
The worrying thing for me was seeing us playing around in corners like two years ago when tyrone beat us
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 26, 2023 14:46:47 GMT
Division 1 in 2024 will be a serious dog fight with Derry and Dublin replacing Donegal and Armagh
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Post by pukefootball on Mar 26, 2023 14:55:15 GMT
All I can say is thank God that league is over and I don’t have to watch that team for a month.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 26, 2023 15:02:46 GMT
The goal was unfortunate but didn't he have same error against Dublin last year and got away with it as it was given as a free out?
Leaving that aside a deeply frustrating league and shades of Tyrone last year which I feared.
The elephant in the room is the form of some of our main players.
The substitutions were strange, Barry Dan was having an excellent game yet he gets the curly finger while Jack stays on again.
I thought Paidi,Jason,Gavin were my best players in a Kerry jersey.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 26, 2023 15:03:01 GMT
Lads , a poor league, but who expected anything different with our preparation, what I am not happy about is that we have not really uncovered any new talent, bar barry Dan, the others performance pointed to rolls off the bench, also not given the Clifford’s some well deserved rest is disappointing, anyway, on to some serious fitness work, bring on the championship.
I see Cluxo is back for the dubs, as well as the rebels rising, interesting summer ahead.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 26, 2023 15:11:20 GMT
Not a good league campaign for Kerry wth no away win, and one would be foolish to ignore some clear evidence. Kerry's quality does not run that deep. Moreover, it's clear the drive and hunger and sense of a team on a mission is missing from this Kerry side so far in 2023. Look Kerry won it all in 2022 and in truth that All Ireland win was four years in the making with a lot hurt and tough experiences fuelling the drive to the mountain top. They are only human and the great unknown is does this Kerry team want it badly enough again? We're not looking like a legacy team in the making to date and there are are a lot of serious contenders around in 2023 - Dublin/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone /Derry it's obviously going to be one hell of a hard All-Ireland to win.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 26, 2023 15:22:19 GMT
Lads , a poor league, but who expected anything different with our preparation, what I am not happy about is that we have not really uncovered any new talent, bar barry Dan, the others performance pointed to rolls off the bench, also not given the Clifford’s some well deserved rest is disappointing, anyway, on to some serious fitness work, bring on the championship. I see Cluxo is back for the dubs, as well as the rebels rising, interesting summer ahead. Yes Mike agree on all. Also on Clucko I find it a strange move. A top keeper in his day but he s 41 now. I know a keeper can bé older and does nt need the pace like outfield players but surely the reactions can't be as quick as years ago. Also it's a kick up the ass to younger keepers. There are many fine keepers in Dublin. Strange move! Clucko, is not showing up for the crack, we know that, I think he will bring some leadership and discipline to the squad, maybe there is a long term injury to comeford, we have not seen him for most of the league.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 26, 2023 15:26:00 GMT
I wouldn’t be as negative as most people seem to be after todays performance. I thought it was a good game for the most part and if David had his kicking boots on we would probably have won. Murphy was very unlucky for the goal and other than than had probably his best game for Kerry. The backs were good in general, Barry Dan was good midfield and Seanie was more influential than he has been to date. Our attack has been poor in general this league especially our transition attack when we do get a turnover. Donal Down was poor enough today I thought and Tony B takes too much out of the ball. Lots of work to do for sure and we need O’Brien and O’Beaglaoich back to strengthen the panel. I think Barry Dan is probably the only newcomer that’s guaranteed to be on the Championship panel so the league has been disappointing in that regard. Back to back was always going to be difficult but we’ve as good a chance as any to win.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 26, 2023 15:29:55 GMT
Not a good league campaign for Kerry wth no away win, and one would be foolish to ignore some clear evidence. Kerry's quality does not run that deep. Moreover, it's clear the drive and hunger and sense of a team on a mission is missing from this Kerry side so far in 2023. Look Kerry won it all in 2022 and in truth that All Ireland win was four years in the making with a lot hurt and tough experiences fuelling the drive to the mountain top. They are only human and the great unknown is does this Kerry team want it badly enough again? We're not looking like a legacy team in the making to date and there are are a lot of serious contenders around in 2023 - Dublin/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone /Derry it's obviously going to be one hell of a hard All-Ireland to win. I don’t think drive & hunger will be missing come the All Ireland - Aodhán referenced the lack of training of some players due to injuries- Gavin White & Seanie being prime examples; David Clifford had an off day, today , a few points from play from him & we would have won. Substitutions were strange to say the least - thought Ruairi Murphy would not be the first to go & Barry Dan must have been injured - our inside line contributed no scores from open play yet we were very late making any switches there - I know Paul Geaney is being nursed back but Killian Spillane surely deserves more minutes. We will be a better team when Briain O’Beaglaoich & Stephen O’Brien return - more drive going forward with a fit Diarmuid & Seanie - and hopefully a better return upfront from a scoring perspective - wouldn’t expect Donal Down or Tony Brosnan to feature much, if at all, come championship.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 26, 2023 15:49:00 GMT
It’s amazing that we only lost by 2 points away to arguably the next best team in the country considering we gifted them a goal, David had his worst game in a Kerry jersey (between wides and turnovers he lost the ball 8 times) and we missed a number of very scorable frees. That has to be a positive that with so much going wrong we still could have won the game.
I don’t understand why Barry Dan was taken off. He was moving well and set up a score in the last play before the substitution so it didn’t look like it was due to injury. I think for the first game of the championship it should be a Barry Dan Diarmuid O’Connor midfield partnership. Jack Barry’s performances don’t merit him holding his starting position. Beaglaoich is badly needed at wing back and Stephen O’Brien if playing well at all is still our best wing forward. We’ll be looking to Geaney in the corner again as well no one has put their hand up.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 26, 2023 16:05:03 GMT
Player Ratings
1 Shane Murphy 8 Brilliant saves early good kickouts unfortunate for goal 2 Dylan Casey 7 done well throughout then picked up comer briefly won first ball in 3 Jason Foley 8 done well throughout but very frustrating the soft silly frees two if not three totally unnecessary 4 Tom o Sullivan7 Consistently good ball carrier done well as usual 5 Paul Murphy 6 Paul did not get into the game like normal nothing too much wrong but need more 6 Morley 6 Morley solid despite few possessions 7 Gavin White 6 Showed great speed as usual need to practice a few set plays to gain some advantage 8 Jack Barry 5 anonymous in first half better in second half but need more from our midfielders 9 Barry Dan 8 Fine game impressive and loved the two left leg points again not sure why he was subbed out 10 Ruairi Murphy 7 looked very comfortable out there seemed to understand that long ball early to where David was not 11 Sean o Shea 6 hasnt discovered his form yet but getting there slowly 12 Paudie Clifford 8 Busy throughout worked hard had at least three Scoring chances but took the extra pass? 13 Tony Brosnan 8 Very involved but again playing too much ball to the well marked Clifford 14 David Clifford 4 Poorest game in a while maybe rest would have been right but teams now treble team him 15 Donal o Sullivan 5 work in progress needs to learn to release or retain possesion better good future
Subs Graham O Sullivan 4 not sure he should have came in when Casey was doing well does bring attack just not today Dara Moynihan 6 tried hard got involved won a few frees Killian Spillane 5 industrous but too little too late Paul Geaney 4 maybe should have tried to catch that one near the square
Management 5 allowing too much ball into Cliffords Corner when every opposition team knows thats our main trick, we cannot depend on DC when three or four on him need to find the space and open men that Clifford creates All teams now are investing many defenders on that side because we dont seem to use plan b too much
the new Galway keeper must have had the weakest kickout of any players ive seen at this level when we forced him long it worked well for us but we did not figure that out till late in the game
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Post by kot on Mar 26, 2023 16:19:49 GMT
Player Ratings 1 Shane Murphy 8 Brilliant saves early good kickouts unfortunate for goal 2 Dylan Casey 7 done well throughout then picked up comer briefly won first ball in 3 Jason Foley 8 done well throughout but very frustrating the soft silly frees two if not three totally unnecessary 4 Tom o Sullivan7 Consistently good ball carrier done well as usual 5 Paul Murphy 6 Paul did not get into the game like normal nothing too much wrong but need more 6 Morley 6 Morley solid despite few possessions 7 Gavin White 6 Showed great speed as usual need to practice a few set plays to gain some advantage 8 Jack Barry 5 anonymous in first half better in second half but need more from our midfielders 9 Barry Dan 8 Fine game impressive and loved the two left leg points again not sure why he was subbed out 10 Ruairi Murphy 7 looked very comfortable out there seemed to understand that long ball early to where David was not 11 Sean o Shea 6 hasnt discovered his form yet but getting there slowly 12 Paudie Clifford 8 Busy throughout worked hard had at least three Scoring chances but took the extra pass? 13 Tony Brosnan 8 Very involved but again playing too much ball to the well marked Clifford 14 David Clifford 4 Poorest game in a while maybe rest would have been right but teams now treble team him 15 Donal o Sullivan 5 work in progress needs to learn to release or retain possesion better good future Subs Graham O Sullivan 4 not sure he should have came in when Casey was doing well does bring attack just not today Dara Moynihan 6 tried hard got involved won a few frees Killian Spillane 5 industrous but too little too late Paul Geaney 4 maybe should have tried to catch that one near the square Management 5 allowing too much ball into Cliffords Corner when every opposition team knows thats our main trick, we cannot depend on DC when three or four on him need to find the space and open men that Clifford creates All teams now are investing many defenders on that side because we dont seem to use plan b too much the new Galway keeper must have had the weakest kickout of any players ive seen at this level when we forced him long it worked well for us but we did not figure that out till late in the game Fair play for the effort but in what stratosphere does shane murphy get an 8/10 in a game we lost by 2 when he dropped a ball into the net under no pressure? Good kickouts? Every kickout was a 13 yard tap to an unmarked defender 😳 Its his job, consider you gave clifford a 4 for failing at his job on the pitch overall and you gave murphy an 8!??
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Post by southward on Mar 26, 2023 16:22:31 GMT
The irony of it all. Years ago when Donegal bt Kerry in all ireland quarter final Jack made the now well known comment that if he was in charge of a Kerry team playing like that he would be given bat agus bóthair. We are playing a brand of ball at the moment that most neutrals find so boring. Last year we were the best team in the country on paper but we're lucky enough to scramble over the line v Dubs and Galway die to our tactics. In fact of it was nt for David and Seanie last year we d have been spanked. I was nt a fan of Peter K as manager but he did have us playing more entertaining stuff (Cork 2020 aside). Most Kildare supporters felt Jack brought Kildare backwards. We won Sam so we have to give credit there but our style at mó is hard on the eye. Now Diarmuid and Mícheál are to blame too. Hopefully we can become more entertain and productive during the MSF championship. "lucky to scramble over the line v Dubs & Galway"?? Come off it, will you. We were the best team in Ireland by a country mile last year, no "on paper" about it.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 26, 2023 16:27:48 GMT
The irony of it all. Years ago when Donegal bt Kerry in all ireland quarter final Jack made the now well known comment that if he was in charge of a Kerry team playing like that he would be given bat agus bóthair. We are playing a brand of ball at the moment that most neutrals find so boring. Last year we were the best team in the country on paper but we're lucky enough to scramble over the line v Dubs and Galway die to our tactics. In fact of it was nt for David and Seanie last year we d have been spanked. I was nt a fan of Peter K as manager but he did have us playing more entertaining stuff (Cork 2020 aside). Most Kildare supporters felt Jack brought Kildare backwards. We won Sam so we have to give credit there but our style at mó is hard on the eye. Now Diarmuid and Mícheál are to blame too. Hopefully we can become more entertain and productive during the MSF championship. "lucky to scramble over the line v Dubs & Galway"?? Come off it, will you. We were the best team in Ireland by a country mile last year, no "on paper" about it. Absolutely agree.
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Post by piskin on Mar 26, 2023 17:00:40 GMT
The lack of coehesion and the form of senior players on the pitch is worrying also the sideline must take some flack as well. Give D Clifford a well needed rest as he looked jaded and when you have to play against 3 defenders on you it is energy draining. Are we back to the Fitzmaurice era with indecision about the goalkeepers? Again Paul Murphy in a big game is ineffective yet is left on the pitch. Jack Barry is a serious worry at this stage and should have been taken off instead of Barry Dan. Tony Brosnan again has tunnel vision regarding D Clifford, I would switch positions with D Clifford & him. Jason Foley needs to clean up his play. P Clifford needs a calmer head on his shoulders as he is taking too much out of the ball. Sean O Shea again missing for the most part today. The lesser experienced players did their best but the question mark is with the senior players and the management as they have been poor this season.
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 26, 2023 17:02:59 GMT
Lads I've said it before but aren't we blessed to have Shane Murphy. Resentments aside, Kerry have been brutal this league, missing simple opportunities and our shooting accuracy has been down around 55%, well short of the 70% you'd need to be hitting to win big games. Guys might take to the month off and use it to benefit but everything in this league can't be blamed for low fitness levels and missing bodies. Fellas on the pitch have been playing poorly and thats the bottom line of it, making basic errors. Our defensive system looks non existent and our slow ponderous build up in attack has been brutal to watch. While it might be only the league, I think we would still expect better than what we gave in those 7 games. Falling over the line in our home games and being bullied out of games away from home. Championship can't come fast enough of in a sense of putting the league behind us. To be honest Kerry can be very fortunate that they even survived relegation with those 7 performances.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 26, 2023 17:07:41 GMT
Player Ratings 1 Shane Murphy 8 Brilliant saves early good kickouts unfortunate for goal 2 Dylan Casey 7 done well throughout then picked up comer briefly won first ball in 3 Jason Foley 8 done well throughout but very frustrating the soft silly frees two if not three totally unnecessary 4 Tom o Sullivan7 Consistently good ball carrier done well as usual 5 Paul Murphy 6 Paul did not get into the game like normal nothing too much wrong but need more 6 Morley 6 Morley solid despite few possessions 7 Gavin White 6 Showed great speed as usual need to practice a few set plays to gain some advantage 8 Jack Barry 5 anonymous in first half better in second half but need more from our midfielders 9 Barry Dan 8 Fine game impressive and loved the two left leg points again not sure why he was subbed out 10 Ruairi Murphy 7 looked very comfortable out there seemed to understand that long ball early to where David was not 11 Sean o Shea 6 hasnt discovered his form yet but getting there slowly 12 Paudie Clifford 8 Busy throughout worked hard had at least three Scoring chances but took the extra pass? 13 Tony Brosnan 8 Very involved but again playing too much ball to the well marked Clifford 14 David Clifford 4 Poorest game in a while maybe rest would have been right but teams now treble team him 15 Donal o Sullivan 5 work in progress needs to learn to release or retain possesion better good future Subs Graham O Sullivan 4 not sure he should have came in when Casey was doing well does bring attack just not today Dara Moynihan 6 tried hard got involved won a few frees Killian Spillane 5 industrous but too little too late Paul Geaney 4 maybe should have tried to catch that one near the square Management 5 allowing too much ball into Cliffords Corner when every opposition team knows thats our main trick, we cannot depend on DC when three or four on him need to find the space and open men that Clifford creates All teams now are investing many defenders on that side because we dont seem to use plan b too much the new Galway keeper must have had the weakest kickout of any players ive seen at this level when we forced him long it worked well for us but we did not figure that out till late in the game Fair play for the effort but in what stratosphere does shane murphy get an 8/10 in a game we lost by 2 when he dropped a ball into the net under no pressure? Good kickouts? Every kickout was a 13 yard tap to an unmarked defender 😳 Its his job, consider you gave clifford a 4 for failing at his job on the pitch overall and you gave murphy an 8!?? I have to admit I was one of the Murphy Sceptics but credit where due i thought he had some good highlights one superb point blank save early and at least one or two more though not as crucial I did not watch it back yet but he did get a few long none better than the huge long one to Paudie C on the right wing Cluxton would have been proud of that one . Regards the Goal that went in Lets look at that again but he took a heavy slap on the back from the goal post that was a freak goal i thought id give him credit for even getting his hand s on the ball in that situation Regards David I know hed be the first to admit he had a stinker 0 for 6 from play enough said! no disrespect to David no one better and were not disputing that .
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Post by piskin on Mar 26, 2023 17:08:01 GMT
This style of football is not suiting the type of players we have either.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 26, 2023 17:13:25 GMT
This style of football is not suiting the type of players we have either. To behonest I cant see any particular style of play.
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Post by piskin on Mar 26, 2023 17:22:09 GMT
This style of football is not suiting the type of players we have either. To behonest I cant see any particular style of play. LoL... what they are attempting to play I guess. Jack has one month to think it all up again before the Championship, at this stage even Cork would beat us. We did not deserve to be in the Final anyways tbh. It's not about fitness it's about the mentality of the senior players this year which is a worry.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 26, 2023 17:32:21 GMT
It's not very often I agree with Ambrose and Billy O Shea but some of what they said today was very true.
Shane Murphy likely had a high percentage of kick outs won today. But as someone else said it's early when the kick out is given 13 yards. Ambrose said before hand it's easy for someone to have high stats with the amount of short passes.
Billy O Shea also said teams seem to have Kerry figured out and are happy to let them won down blind allys down the wings.
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Post by piskin on Mar 26, 2023 17:37:13 GMT
It's not very often I agree with Ambrose and Billy O Shea but some of what they said today was very true. Shane Murphy likely had a high percentage of kick outs won today. But as someone else said it's early when the kick out is given 13 yards. Ambrose said before hand it's easy for someone to have high stats with the amount of short passes. Billy O Shea also said teams seem to have Kerry figured out and are happy to let them won down blind allys down the wings. Thats because P Clifford ,Dara Moynihan, Tony Brosnan, Jack Barry etc are too happy to oblige.
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