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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 17, 2023 15:02:12 GMT
I’m very enthusiastic about this group’s chances. I think Tomás has got the team selection spot on based on both calibre at minor level for Kerry and subsequent club performances, personally I felt this wasn’t the case in recent years under Declan and John Sugrue. 13 of the starting 15 are last year u20s which is an advantage. The team looks very strong on paper and I think there is a high number of very good prospects involved.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 17, 2023 15:12:17 GMT
10 from 2020 minors (played in 2021) 2 from 2021 minors 3 who never played minor. Should give it a good rattle this year. Very different team to John Kerins Cup so results in that competition irrelevant, as will the result v Clare be. Cork and Kerry are at a severe disadvantage in the All-Ireland semi-final, up against teams who've had strong tests in round robin stages in their provinces. John Kerins Cup was supposed to help with that but with so many players missing due to clashes with 2nd level and 3rd level competitions, it mainly benefits the fringe players rather than the 1st choice team.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 17, 2023 15:20:36 GMT
10 from 2020 minors (played in 2021) 2 from 2021 minors 3 who never played minor. Should give it a good rattle this year. Very different team to John Kerins Cup so results in that competition irrelevant, as will the result v Clare be. Cork and Kerry are at a severe disadvantage in the All-Ireland semi-final, up against teams who've had strong tests in round robin stages in their provinces. John Kerins Cup was supposed to help with that but with so many players missing due to clashes with 2nd level and 3rd level competitions, it mainly benefits the fringe players rather than the 1st choice team. Only 1 didn’t play minor, Andrew Moynihan who was full back for Rathmore in their intermediate All Ireland win. He was an extended panelist for the 2020 minors. All the other players on the starting 15 have started minor games for Kerry. There’s a great carry through from the 2020 minor team that were so close to winning the All Ireland. It’s unusual for an u20 team 3 years later to mirror the minor team so much. 11 of the team that lost to Derry start tonight and Caolan O’Connell missed the game through injury having started all previous games.
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Post by Joxer on Apr 17, 2023 19:20:04 GMT
Unbelievable performance and not in a good way. Some style of defending! Although attack was hardly glorious. ET 🙄
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Post by john4 on Apr 17, 2023 19:21:35 GMT
Clare are flying fit. Our lads are cramping up
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 17, 2023 19:35:15 GMT
A very limited but physically strong Clare team are level deservedly in normal time and starting well in extra-time. They’ve been dogged and just hung in there scoring goals against a really insipid Kerry team. This has been a vey poor display from Kerry defensively. They look such a callow outfit and toughness is lacking in the extreme and given who is in charge this is a major surprise! We look a real team of mommy’s boys fed on a diet of oreo biscuits, PlayStation’s and Xbox’s – bred soft and playing soft. To say we have room for improvement is a massive understatement - we are so shockingly bad.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 17, 2023 19:51:01 GMT
Lads we might get out of this but I can only see this Kerry team getting hammered down the line. There's no AI in that team and nothing to supplement the Kerry senior panel at this stage either. Most disappointing.
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Post by gaelicden on Apr 17, 2023 20:01:35 GMT
I'll be honest, I only saw the last 10 minutes of extra time (completely forgot twas on), but with the way your man walked in for Clares fourth goal of the night, may God have mercy on us all against Cork... A lot of hard work to do.
Also when's the final so that I don't forget about it?
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Post by Joxer on Apr 17, 2023 20:03:27 GMT
Very like a bunch of lads who met for the first time 20 mins before the game tonight. If they have been coached to play in that way ( taking on board the comments about being soft also), then you’d have to wonder what lies ahead. Big defeat on the way next week I suspect also. A more pathetic display from an U20 Kerry team doesn’t come to mind. Our defence as mentioned already was extraordinarily unorganised and weak. Hard to see any improvement in 7 days unfortunately.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 17, 2023 20:04:55 GMT
Fairly bad now at the back. Suppose you've got to give them credit for having the ability to head down the pitch and get the next score after Clare constantly got it back level.
Thought the young lad from Ardfert looked good, scored 5-6 points before he saw the line.
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Post by homerj on Apr 17, 2023 20:05:13 GMT
is the final v Cork at home or away?
regardless, Cork raging hot favourites, very poorly prepared Kerry team lots of mistakes.
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Post by undercovereustace on Apr 17, 2023 20:11:36 GMT
I'll be honest, I only saw the last 10 minutes of extra time (completely forgot twas on), but with the way your man walked in for Clares fourth goal of the night, may God have mercy on us all against Cork... A lot of hard work to do. Also when's the final so that I don't forget about it? The way I see it, Kerry were on the tougher side of the draw and they pulled a win out of this in spite of conceding 4 goals. That's impressive. Cork, on the other hand, could only score 2-14 against a Limerick team which only scored 6 points over the hour. I'm not sure how Kerry will progress in the All-Ireland series, but they'll surely have too much scoring power for Cork and I'm saying that, although I wish it wasn't so.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 17, 2023 20:26:37 GMT
Firstly a few lads need to be more measured in there language.
These are young fellas first and foremost and don't need snide comments.
There's also a fair degree of disrespect to a Clare team that played exceptionally well and in particular MacNamarra was brilliant in midfield.
Alluding to a comment regarding supplementing the seniors Shine and Monaghan played really well and look like real prospects.
Cork had no test against Limerick hopefully this stands to us.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 17, 2023 20:39:37 GMT
Firstly a few lads need to be more measured in there language. These are young fellas first and foremost and don't need snide comments. There's also a fair degree of disrespect to a Clare team that played exceptionally well and in particular MacNamarra was brilliant in midfield. Alluding to a comment regarding supplementing the seniors Shine and Monaghan played really well and look like real prospects. Cork had no test against Limerick hopefully this stands to us. Spot on - Clare were good & McNamara was as good as anybody on the pitch - defensively poor, midfield not good enough - maybe Clare’s game against Tipp stood to them. If Paudie O’Leary & Rob Monahan are out it will make the next outing more difficult. Cork will be raging hot favourites, that may suit Kerry.
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Post by john4 on Apr 17, 2023 20:45:42 GMT
Well holy moly! We just scraped by a very poor Clare team. We outscored them easily but they able to score goals at will. Our defense were very poor. Are we going backwards at this level. Alot of work to be done. Tomas as a defender cannot be happy with our backs. T. G. for Rob Monaghan William Shíne! A tad unfair on Clare imo. Their workrate was excellent from start to finish, their fitness levels were top class, a very well organized team and they'll be very disappointed that they didn't get a result tonight. This Clare group were a good group also 3 years ago at minor so hats off to Clare for maintaining their player development through to the 20's grade. Flicking over and back to the Cork match, ya Cork will be a problem for us, they're huge guys and very mobile. Could be very difficult for us this one.
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Post by pukefootball on Apr 17, 2023 20:46:13 GMT
Well that was… something. How did we make that a game, nevermind how did we let it go to ET? Let’s not sugarcoat it, that was a poor Clare side. No point from play until the 42nd minute. Had a number of score-able frees and shots up until that, which they blundered miserably. Only two points down at HT due to two defensive horrors from Kerry leading to goals.
What I can’t doubt from Clare though, is that they showed heart. More heart than most of the Kerry lads out there this evening. They came firing and our lads seemed to be dumbfounded. Thought our defence were way too overwhelmed by Clare’s running and pace. At midfield, we were wiped. I’d say we won about 2 breaks in the whole game from kickouts. McNamara for Clare was their star winning ball all round him. Positives from the game would have to be the performances of Paudie Leary, Will Shine and Rob Monahan. The latter will be a huge loss for the final, 0-5 from him. He has a lovely boot.
Cork next week sounds like a huge challenge after tonight. Especially up in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. However, a Kerry team will always give it to Cork so hopefully we can shove on next week. Up the Kingdom.
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Post by goforit2 on Apr 17, 2023 20:53:31 GMT
Dissapointing performance. I thought this was a very good team on paper. Clare midfielders were very impressive and they won the majority of their kick outs. Our kick out malfunctioned. Unfortunately Robert Monaghan will miss the Cork game. I didn't see what he was sent off for but he played really well. We are still in the championship and you never know! I know that there are a lot of quality players on that Kerry team that will be hurting after that performance. I expect a big performance vs Cork.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 17, 2023 20:53:36 GMT
A We look a real team of mommy’s boys fed on a diet of oreo biscuits, PlayStation’s and Xbox’s – bred soft and playing soft. we are so shockingly bad. Oh man, didn't see the game but c commentary like this is gold 🤣 and won't be found in any Sunday Game. We won, playing poor with issues to work on... we're still there. But ya, classic quote
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Post by mike70 on Apr 17, 2023 21:02:41 GMT
I must agree some posters a bit disrespectful to Clare, it’s Clare who had the upper hand in full time, with us down to 14 men, they showed a lot more direct running than our lads did, they also had best on show in McNamara around the middle, granted shine and Monaghan were excellent for us, but Clare dominated middle for long periods, if they had some additional silken forwards, who knows??
Did anyone notice how we had so many player's going down with cramp, even before extra time. The game will bring lads on, but might a big challenge ahead against cork. But fair dues to our boys for holding out to win through to next round, but Monaghan will be sorely missed.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 17, 2023 21:42:37 GMT
Some of the commentary is over the top. The main negatives were the concession of 4 unbelievably poor goals and that we lost the majority of the long kick outs. 2 of the goals came from high balls in and 2 came from runners coming through who weren’t tracked. With a bit of video analysis and a focus on this aspect of the game I think these errors and lapses of concentration can be eliminated for next Monday night. The good news on the long kickout front is that Brian McNamara is up there as the best u20 midfielder in the country so we aren’t likely to come up against too many as good as him again. Both issues can be resolved.
Cork have one of their poorest u20 teams in years this year. They’re missing 5/6 starters due to injury and and Colin Walsh who’d be their main forward isn’t playing as he’s on the Cork Senior hurling panel. Let’s not write ourselves off. Rob Monahan and Will Shine were outstanding tonight while Keith Evans and Cillian Burke were very good in periods. It’d be great if they could get Monahan’s red overturned. Sean Broderick the number 1 goalkeeper may also be back from injury for next Monday night which would be a boost.
This game could end up being the making of the team.
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Post by homerj on Apr 17, 2023 22:05:59 GMT
ya the Sending off of Monahan is the biggest worry of the night. a simple magnificent player and underage at least one more year (if not 2??)
Shine was also a shining light. some valid points raised here, Clare will have tested us alot more than Limerick but Cork will be raging hot favourites surely.
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Post by homerj on Apr 17, 2023 22:07:13 GMT
just seen game is PUC next week. thats never good, home side always has big advantage underage in Kerry/Cork games.
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Post by mossie on Apr 17, 2023 22:43:50 GMT
ya the Sending off of Monahan is the biggest worry of the night. a simple magnificent player and underage at least one more year (if not 2??) Shine was also a shining light. some valid points raised here, Clare will have tested us alot more than Limerick but Cork will be raging hot favourites surely. Monohan is under 20 again in 2024 and 2025! Kilmoyley can produce footballers as well as hurlers
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Post by Joxer on Apr 18, 2023 8:54:30 GMT
Some of the commentary is over the top. The main negatives were the concession of 4 unbelievably poor goals and that we lost the majority of the long kick outs. In fairness edgeofthesquare, you nailed it! Whatever about 'some of the commentary is over the top', when you say that the 'main negatives were the concession of 4 unbelievably poor goals and that we lost the majority of the long kick outs', that fairly (and accurately) describes how insipid our defence and ball winning capabilities were. Fundamentals in football and simply absent. Lucky to win and no, I don't agree that this was a good Clare team as others have suggested. Fear for PUC next week. Poor debut for Tomas last night...can he and they turn it around in a week???
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 18, 2023 9:57:04 GMT
How was the handpassing?
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Apr 18, 2023 10:10:52 GMT
Some of the commentary is over the top. The main negatives were the concession of 4 unbelievably poor goals and that we lost the majority of the long kick outs. In fairness edgeofthesquare, you nailed it! Whatever about 'some of the commentary is over the top', when you say that the 'main negatives were the concession of 4 unbelievably poor goals and that we lost the majority of the long kick outs', that fairly (and accurately) describes how insipid our defence and ball winning capabilities were. Fundamentals in football and simply absent. Lucky to win and no, I don't agree that this was a good Clare team as others have suggested. Fear for PUC next week. Poor debut for Tomas last night...can he and they turn it around in a week??? The over the top commentary I was referring to was the idea we have no chance against Cork and are in for a hiding. All the goals can be attributed to basic individual defensive errors. Ok there’s no guarantee the team won’t continue to make these errors but they’re all very good individual defenders and are much better than they showed last night. I wonder was there some complacency there last night, some of the players may have thought it’s ‘only’ Clare and this may have been a factor in the lacklustre defensive play. An increase in concentration would go a long way.
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Post by mike70 on Apr 18, 2023 10:28:17 GMT
Any body else think Clare dominated MF, and the poor team that they have controlled possession admirably for the most part and released the ball to the runners, that created their goal chances, I think we should have pushed up on them, anyway if they had a shine on their team, they would have won comfortable last night, he was the difference.
So if a fella saying this was a poor Clare team, then take shine out and we are a poor team too, I don’t believe that but either way, onto OUC we March
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Post by tonydorigo on Apr 18, 2023 11:11:56 GMT
A lot to correct in a week. Midfield cleaned out, goalie didn't look hectic and very little defensive organistation. Some really good individual players in there but a lack of cohesion evident throughout the team. Paudie O'Leary, Rob Monaghan and William Shine really saved our bacon. Was obvious from even before the first goal that we were wide open at the back.
Monaghan looks a great player and probably should have switched to midfield. Shine looks a great player as well but thought Paudie O'Leary was really good and gave us a good bit of dog around the middle third.
Tough one for Tomas but a win is a win. Cork probably won't expect too much but there is a lot of improvement in this team.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 18, 2023 12:48:11 GMT
The most disappointing aspect for me was when we failed to close out the game in the second half after pulling 5 points clear. We had weathered the storm at that stage and looked quite good in fact. Instead of putting the game to bed we got very casual and turned over the ball a lot (by poor execution of passes mainly rather than anything Clare did). This let Clare back into it. The lads did well in fairness in extra time to win the game but again left Clare in for a goal at the end which was luckily too late to make a difference. Rob Monaghan will be a big loss next week as he looks like a future Senior star, well able to carry the ball and kick scores on the run. Hopefully Kerry can pull through against Cork and he'll be back for the semi final.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 18, 2023 12:58:59 GMT
The one thing that struck me most of all was our lack of sharpness and I wonder is down to lack of competitiveness? Not sure when any of these lads last played a competitive game for club, school or college - the county league commenced on St Patrick's weekend and round 4 is coming up this week - I dont see any reason why these lads could not play in the first two rounds and then be released to the county panel - the county league is a high standard, playing for your club is demanding - think we would be far better served by having guys playing at this level instead of being cocooned within a squad and playing internal games.
I have ruled out the John Kerins Cup as am not sure how seriously its taken.
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